"Miss Jackson" Suing Floyd Mayweather, Says TMZ

BY Michael Woods ON September 04, 2014
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It's almost became a sad certainty, bombshell allegations from an ex, or something of that ilk. On Thursday in the late afternoon we learned, via TMZ, that ex Floyd Mayweather gal-pal Shantal Jackson is suing "Money," and saying he brutalized her physically.

The boxer got violent with her in 2012, she maintains, after he got out of prison for getting in a nasty physical beef with the mother of three of his kids. Mayweather supposedly choked her then, and in April 2013, he pointed a gun at her and threatened to shoot, according to the TMZ story. The most recent incident Jackson refers to came in February of this year. "She's suing for assault, battery, defamation, invasion of privacy, intentional infliction of emotional distress, harassment and more," the story states.

"Miss Jackson," as she was referred to in lovier-dovier times, and her ex fella squared off before his last fight, in May against Marcos Maidana. His Instagram post which stated she terminated a pregnancy drew harsh reaction in many circles, for insensitivity. Before his May 2013 fight, there was a news drop courtesy of Josie Harris, with whom he got into the confrontation that resulted in his prison stay. Before his bout against Robert Guerrero, Mayweather had to deal with a story quoting the ex Berry as saying he hit her, contrary to what, she said, was shown in promo videos to hype his fight.

My take: I don't enjoy this trend, for whatever reason or reasons it has accelerated in recent years. This stuff makes the Kardashians stuff look classy by comparison.

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Radam G says:

Big booty -- I mean Ms Jackson -- is a Robin Givens lite. She oughta' GTFOH! She's just grabbing copy and TV publicity to advance her fledgling TV entertain career.

Money May's spit about her is matters of facts.

Oh, YEA! She asked him to choke her out a bit doing wacky, feaky-deaky sex. And you know that I know that because boys talk and tell. They'd even tell you if she were a yeller or moan-and-groaner as they b°n£d her.

Y'all know da deal: "I went! I saw! I conquered!" Dudes can never shut da double fudge up. That is their motto.

Women know it. Ms Jackson knew it. Now she perpetrating a MASSIVE FRAUD. Or getting paid for fronting to help stir up some controversy to increase PPV eyeballs and P BITS -- paid butts in the seats.

YUP! He pointed a water gun and a sex oil gun at her. She wanna to get oily, slippery and wet.

She is just helping bringing the-ready-to-spend-their-money fanfaronades is my take. Holla!

stormcentre says:

Whilst I make no comment on the validity of her domestic abuse (DA) claims, it's a rather interesting coincidence that Shantal has officially/legally come out with this just before Floyd's fight with Chino.

Particularly given her involvement in Floyd's, claimed, sub-par performance in his 1st fight with Maidana.

One thing though, if Shantal has proof - good, solid proof of the DA - this could possibly be another (longer and more) serious stint "inside" for Floyd.

However, that DA proof - I should imagine - will also be contested by the remaining flock of Floyd's harem.

Onto the defamation; from a legal perspective I am interested in hearing Floyd's defence to how openly discussing the termination of the relationship and pregnancy was in Shantal's best interests and not defamatory.

I wonder if this one can be solved by money, and by that I don't mean Miss Jackson is a Gold Digger.

But when you're last boyfriend was the Michael Jackson of boxing, it don't seem right to expect she will be soon gravitating towards any poor figure.

But the problems don't end there.

Once the trend is set, that whole posse of Floyd's might just start thinking what they're sitting on is more than what they're getting. And from what I can tell the parameters of those relationships are pretty blurry even without the application of law of the so called wise.

It may just be that Floyd's last all access could come back to haunt him with Shanta's case . . . . . .

"I'm going to say what I want, when I want, and I'm going to do what I want, when I want. Can't nobody stop me".

"Money May all day - TMT till the day we "D", "I", "E" - that aint no "L", "I", "E" ".

Money solves every thing.

Good luck Floyd.

Settle it out of court man.

Peace.

The Shadow says:

I smell a countersuit.

Who's really defaming who?

And unless Gloria is working on a percentage deal, will Nelly continue to foot the bill?

Looking through the documents, it looks to me like someone was upset that daddy took away the toys and jewelry.

Also, Floyd uses his influence and social media following to sort of be a jerk but last I checked being a jerk, player or cheater isn't illegal -- and that's the crux of the matter here.

Anyway, here's the summary of the suit:

SUMMARY OF ALLEGATIONS/STATEMENT FROM ALLRED
Today we filed a lawsuit in Los Angeles County Superior Court on behalf of Shantel Jackson against Floyd Mayweather, Jr. (“Mayweather&#8221.

Shantel met Mr. Mayweather in July 2006 when she was 21 years old. Before she met him, she had worked on and off as a model and actress and at other jobs since she was 15 years old. As a result of her work, she managed to buy her own house.

Shantel met Mr. Mayweather when she was working at a hostess in Atlanta Georgia. He approached her.
After numerous phone calls and dates, Shantel and Mayweather developed an intimate relationship.

Before long, Mayweather prevailed upon Shantel to move to Las Vegas and cohabit with him in his residence there.

Mr. Mayweather wanted Ms. Jackson to make herself available to him virtually at all times. At his direction, she turned down job offers that came her way, and worked very infrequently during her relationship with Mayweather.

Shantel fell deeply in love with Mr. Mayweather and at one point she and Mr. Mayweather became engaged.
Ms. Jackson stood by Mayweather through a criminal proceeding, which resulted in the imposition of a three-month jail term upon him for domestic violence against another woman. She visited him during his incarceration.

Our lawsuit alleges that shortly after Mayweather’s release from jail in August of 2012, he and Ms. Jackson had an argument. The lawsuit further alleges that during the argument, he assaulted her. Approximately one week later, Mayweather asked Ms. Jackson for her forgiveness and promised that he would never assault her again.

Difficulties continued to exist in the relationship between Ms. Jackson and Mr. Mayweather. In February 2013, Ms. Jackson told Mr. Mayweather that she would leave him unless he agreed to attend counseling with her regarding their relationship. Mr. Mayweather promised to do so, but did not attend any counseling sessions.

During the first week of April of 2013, Ms. Jackson decided to end her relationship with Mayweather and to return to Los Angeles for a fresh start.

After Ms. Jackson moved to California, Mr. Mayweather went to great lengths to try to get her back. Ms. Jackson was ultimately persuaded to try again to see if their relationship could work. She moved back to Las Vegas on or about April 19, 2013, traveling on a private jet sent by Mr. Mayweather for her. She took some of her possessions with her. Most of her possessions remained in California.

Soon after she returned to Las Vegas, it became clear that Mayweather had not turned over a new leaf. Our lawsuit alleges that within a few days after the plaintiff's return to Las Vegas, the arguments began anew, and Ms. Jackson told Mayweather that she would leave him. The lawsuit alleges that Mr. Meyweather assaulted her and took her jewelry away from her.

Ms. Jackson was terrified for her safety, and humiliated by Mayweather's conduct.

For a period of time after Ms. Jackson’s personal property was taken, Mr. Mayweather kept her virtually a prisoner in his home. He maintained surveillance. She could only leave the house if she was accompanied by one of his employees.

In June of 2013, Mr. Mayweather was out of town and Ms. Jackson used that opportunity to leave Las Vegas and move back to California.

Mr. Mayweather continued to attempt to woo Ms. Jackson back. He told her that he was willing to change his ways and expressed a willingness to go into counseling for the benefit of their relationship. He sent a private jet to pick her up and take her to watch his fight in September 2013 and showered her with expensive gifts, including Hermes handbags.

In November of 2013, Ms. Jackson became pregnant by Mayweather. Mr. Mayweather was aware that she was pregnant but she did not share that information with her family and only one friend knew that she was pregnant.

In December of 2013, a sonogram revealed that Ms. Jackson was carrying twins that Mayweather had fathered, and she told him the news. He asked for a copy of the sonogram, which she sent to him. She had no idea that he would turn that image into a device to inflict emotional torture upon her.

Mayweather insisted that the plaintiff move to Las Vegas. Ms. Jackson wanted to remain in Los Angeles. When Ms. Jackson refused to move, Ms. Jackson alleges that Mayweather became verbally abusive, stating “I took you out of the ‘hood. I should have left your *** there.”

In January of 2014, Ms. Jackson’s pregnancy terminated and Mr. Mayweather was so informed.

In February and March of 2014, Mr. Mayweather continued to try to get Ms. Jackson to come back to him.

On April 12, 2014, the plaintiff attended a basketball game in the company of a famous performer
professionally known as “Nelly.” She posted a photo of the two of them on her social media.
Mayweather was infuriated. He wanted her to take down the photo of her and Nelly.

Our lawsuit alleges Mayweather threatened Ms. Jackson that if she did not take the image down of her with Nelly that he would post “naked photos” of her on social media. Mayweather had apparently taken some photos of the plaintiff asleep when she was undressed. The plaintiff never consented to the taking of such photographs.

Ms. Jackson resolved not to go through life being bullied and dominated by Mayweather, and refused to take down the photo of her and Nelly and also refused to reconcile with Mayweather.

On May 1, 2014, Mayweather in retaliation for Ms. Jackson’s continued refusals to comply with his demands as set forth above, decided to give her the ultimate humiliation. That day, knowing that his social media following was huge and devoted, Mayweather posted the following on his Facebook and Instagram accounts: "the real reason me and Shantel Christine Jackson @MissJackson broke up was because she got an abortion, and I'm totally against killing babies. She killed our twin babies. #ShantelJackson #FloydMayweather #TheMoneyTeam#TMT."

To increase the plaintiff’s anguish and humiliation, Mayweather also posted a copy of the sonogram of the twin fetuses that Ms. Jackson had been carrying, as well as a summary medical report regarding the pregnancy. As intended by Mayweather, the media outlet TMZ picked up his postings and republished the sonogram and medical report. Other media outlets then jumped on the bandwagon, resulting in millions seeing the highly public humiliation of the plaintiff.

Not satisfied with the humiliation of publicly branding the plaintiff a murderer, Mayweather then used media broadcasts to disclose other private information about the plaintiff and to disseminate false statements about the plaintiff.

As Mayweather intended, his postings caused a frenzy of public reaction. Members of the public called the plaintiff a “baby killer” “ho” (slang for whore) and the like. Unknown individuals asked the plaintiff “Why did you kill Floyd’s babies?”

Ms. Jackson’s family found out about the pregnancy and termination of that pregnancy through the media, which compounded her anguish.

As a result, of Mr. Mayweather’s outrageous actions against Shantel we filed a lawsuit today against him alleging

1. INVASION OF PRIVACY - PUBLIC DISCLOSURE OF PRIVATE FACTS
2. INVASION OF PRIVACY - FALSE LIGHT PORTRAYAL
3. CONVERSION
4. REPLEVIN
5. BATTERY
6. ASSAULT
7. DEFAMATION
8. INTENTIONAL INFLICTION OF EMOTIONAL DISTRESS
9. NEGLIGENT INFLICTION OF EMOTIONAL DISTRESS
10. CIVIL HARASSMENT
11. FALSE IMPRISONMENT

We are seeking general, compensatory and punitive damages against Mr. Mayweather in an amount according to proof of trial. In addition, we are seeking an injunction against him prohibiting him from molesting, attacking, striking, stalking, threatening, sexually assaulting, battering, harassing or telephoning Shantel, destroying her personal property or coming within a specified distance of her.

No woman should be forced to suffer extremely abusive, outrageous and harmful conduct, similar to what Mr. Mayweather inflicted on Shantel.

The fact that Mr. Mayweather Jr. is rich, famous and powerful and has fans worldwide does not entitle him to abuse the woman whom he said he loved and who loved him. He has no right to invade her privacy, reveal private medical facts to the world, such as that she was pregnant with twins and make public statements to the world about why he believed the pregnancy ended.

No man, rich or poor, has the right to assault women, take their property, invade their privacy, threaten them, carry out their threats, hurt and humiliate them, and defame them.

Floyd Mayweather Jr. may make his living inflicting pain on others in the boxing ring but he has no right to force Shantel to endure the pain that he inflicted on her outside of the boxing ring.

She had a right to resist his efforts to control her and she had a right to end her relationship with him without being threatened, humiliated, retaliated against and harmed.

We will seek to hold Mr. Mayweather legally accountable in a court of law for his many acts of misconduct targeted at Shantel and we expect to prevail.

It takes an enormous amount of courage for Shantel to stand up to Mr. Mayweather after what Shantel has been forced to suffer in her seven-year relationship with Mr. Mayweather. She and I both hope that as a result of this lawsuit that Mr. Mayweather will understand that women deserve to be treated with respect and dignity and as equal partners in romantic relationships.

Gloria Allred Attorney at Law

Representing Shantel Jackson

stormcentre says:

All I can say is;

1) Read my above post and place this at the end of it . . . "BOOM".

2) Thanks for the info Shadow.

3) Read this again,

"No woman should be forced to suffer extremely abusive, outrageous and harmful conduct, similar to what Mr. Mayweather inflicted on Shantel.

The fact that Mr. Mayweather Jr. is rich, famous and powerful and has fans worldwide does not entitle him to abuse the woman whom he said he loved and who loved him. He has no right to invade her privacy, reveal private medical facts to the world, such as that she was pregnant with twins and make public statements to the world about why he believed the pregnancy ended.

No man, rich or poor, has the right to assault women, take their property, invade their privacy, threaten them, carry out their threats, hurt and humiliate them, and defame them.

Floyd Mayweather Jr. may make his living inflicting pain on others in the boxing ring but he has no right to force Shantel to endure the pain that he inflicted on her outside of the boxing ring.

She had a right to resist his efforts to control her and she had a right to end her relationship with him without being threatened, humiliated, retaliated against and harmed.

We will seek to hold Mr. Mayweather legally accountable in a court of law for his many acts of misconduct targeted at Shantel and we expect to prevail"
.

And just envisage Gloria Allred (Attorney at Law), as I can, standing up in court and saying it.

4) Far out man . . . Floyd was giving interviews and openly speaking about the termination of the twins and more!

5) DA is a very tricky area of the law.

There is a reason (beyond how many relationship breakdowns there are in society that) there are a lot of lawyers practicing "family law", and that's because - played right (by the plaintiff, defendant, appellant, respondent and lawyers) - not only is very little burden of proof required to initiate the claim and gain the upper ground - but also the law can often have the effect of treating the accused as if they are guilty until proven innocent.

That circumstance offers litigant's, lawyers and others, incredible scope to leverage and also frustrate defendants and appellants alike; so that they conform to the allegations.

6) (And once again) Settle it out of court Floyd - I, for one, personally can't see how you can win.

brownsugar says:

Good sleuthing Shadow.

And some interesting and supportive comments Storm.

Its important to note that no criminal charges have been brought against Floyd

I wonder who in the employment of Mayweather is going to corroborate this.

Unless she was plotting the whole time and was depositing some form of physical evidence.( assuming there was any criminal activity in the first place)..her word wont be enough to convict.

This sounds like a civil suit and can drag out for years.
Floyd will be retired by the time this case is resolved.
Or it could be dismissed early due to lack of evidence.

Those trophy chicks will mount your head on a plaque if you let them.

If Shantel miraculously has a case that can hold water Floyd should consider the fight against Paq which is still on the table.

brownsugar says:

All I can say is;

1) Read my above post and place this at the end of it . . . "BOOM".

2) Thanks for the info Shadow.

3) Read this again,

"No woman should be forced to suffer extremely abusive, outrageous and harmful conduct, similar to what Mr. Mayweather inflicted on Shantel.

The fact that Mr. Mayweather Jr. is rich, famous and powerful and has fans worldwide does not entitle him to abuse the woman whom he said he loved and who loved him. He has no right to invade her privacy, reveal private medical facts to the world, such as that she was pregnant with twins and make public statements to the world about why he believed the pregnancy ended.

No man, rich or poor, has the right to assault women, take their property, invade their privacy, threaten them, carry out their threats, hurt and humiliate them, and defame them.

Floyd Mayweather Jr. may make his living inflicting pain on others in the boxing ring but he has no right to force Shantel to endure the pain that he inflicted on her outside of the boxing ring.

She had a right to resist his efforts to control her and she had a right to end her relationship with him without being threatened, humiliated, retaliated against and harmed.

We will seek to hold Mr. Mayweather legally accountable in a court of law for his many acts of misconduct targeted at Shantel and we expect to prevail"
.

And just envisage Gloria Allred (Attorney at Law), as I can, standing up in court and saying it.

4) Far out man . . . Floyd was giving interviews and openly speaking about the termination of the twins and more!

5) DA is a very tricky area of the law.

There is a reason (beyond how many relationship breakdowns there are in society that) there are a lot of lawyers practicing "family law", and that's because - played right (by the plaintiff, defendant, appellant, respondent and lawyers) - not only is very little burden of proof required to initiate the claim and gain the upper ground - but also the law can often have the effect of treating the accused as if they are guilty until proven innocent.

That circumstance offers litigant's, lawyers and others, incredible scope to leverage and also frustrate defendants and appellants alike; so that they conform to the allegations.

6) (And once again) Settle it out of court Floyd - I, for one, personally can't see how you can win.


Good post Storm

Floyd's comments in the social media could very well haunt him

stormcentre says:

Yes, I think it will be a civil, rather than criminal, case.

It may be easy to think I am not backing Floyd on this, but that's not the case.

But Shantel's action, at least the civil part, in my view, is almost foolproof.

It is (in my mind and from the public information I have seen) beyond doubt that a very strong case can be made for Floyd's guilt with points; 1, 2, 7, 8 and 9 of the above-mentioned case.

Both Shantel and Gloria only need to prove 1 point to have a decent case.

Remember - regardless of why Floyd willingly copped time in the can when he last went - he already has a serious record for related matters.

I wish it was not so, (and I am being objective {not subjective} here) but I simply can't see how Floyd considered Shantel's rights and interests when he set about discussing the personal aspects of their relationship, pregnancy, termination and breakdown.

Furthermore, he did it repeatedly and via multiple media outlets.

Even though guys don't always see much harm in this, the fact of the matter - and it is a serious matter - the law does.

Anyone that disagrees only needs to remember the last time you stood before a judge with lawyers on both sides; or revisit both the footage of Floyd's last incaceration and also this upcoming trial; if it makes it to a courtroom.

When you label someone a killer, it's a serious claim in the eyes of law.

When you label a woman a killer, it's a serious claim in the eyes of law and she has either been rightly or wrongly defamed.

When you label a woman the killer of your unborn children, it's an extremely serious claim in the eyes of law and she has either been rightly or wrongly defamed.

Now, last time I checked, Shantel has not been charged with murder prior to Floyd's allegation and release of it via public media.

Finally, last time I checked, what has allegedly happened by Shantel's author is not considered murder.

As ugly as these issues are - they are just a small sample of what Gloria and the courts will have in store for, and awaits; Floyd.

I remember when I saw the All Access footage (first fight with Maidana) where Floyd was hamming it up about Shantel and her possessions not being at his house; I thought it was borderline acceptable from a legal perspective.

Then, when I saw the video interview that took place between Floyd and his publicist (was it Kelly Swanson??) where he openly discussed how Shantel (allegedly {Floyd didn't say "Allegedly"; I am}) terminated his/their twins without his knowledge; I thought "wow, Floyd really loves to take legal risks".

Then when I heard about the baby killer comments; I thought if this doesn't become a legal matter soon it will be amazing.

I can't see how he can win, and now he faces a similar preparatory hurdle for his next fight as Jermain Taylor does.

The courts have a very, very, dim view of this stuff; even if you haven't been incacerated for it previously, and have other associated claims.

Just imagine what she can claim her damages are?

They could be - potentially/theoretically - huge.

Gloria will go into the court room and argue - without very much difficulty - that Shantel's entire persona as a women, mother, daughter, family member, employee and reliable citizen has been violated by someone that is not only familiar with such acts - but also supremely equipped like no other to inflict such humiliation and defamatory conduct.

A better question - as horrible as it may be - is what can be said in Floyd's defence to say this has not happened and that this was not his intention; given all the information, video and other alleged slander that is out there and allegedly (by Shantel Jackson) authored by him?

See . . . it's pretty serious.

Unless a few years inside and money to the tune of $10M is not considered serious.

Finally, don't shoot the messenger here.

This is just my objective view of 2 litigant's allegations.

deepwater2 says:

Floyd's track record speaks for itself. Floyd is going to have to pay for a confidential undisclosed amount.

Gloria Alred gets her settlements. Floyd has been arrested many times for abusing woman besides the one where he beat the woman and threatened his kids. Floyd says he does what he wants and doesn't care so why should it surprise anyone on here that he did do these things. Of course Floyd threatened her and took her property. He admits that. I said 12 million before it will be closer to 20.

I'm against all gold diggers but guess what,the p4p boxing man surrounds himself with gold diggers because that's what he wants. Do you really think any of those women are hanging around for Floyd's personality? He really should learn from life.

Do you think one of his new girls will get jealous or mad and try and get payback vs Floyd for his questionable behavior? Does the sun rise every day?

amayseng says:

The fact that this woman held a PRESS CONFERENCE is enough to tell me she is looking for a payday.

Floyd may very well be an idiot, but women are evil beyond any means I can comprehend.
They terrify me.

deepwater2 says:

The fact that this woman held a PRESS CONFERENCE is enough to tell me she is looking for a payday.

Floyd may very well be an idiot, but women are evil beyond any means I can comprehend.
They terrify me.


Do you think it will be the last time this happens to Floyd? It's not like he hangs out with a girl he met at church. If you lie down with snakes you will get bit.

stormcentre says:

Floyd's track record speaks for itself. Floyd is going to have to pay for a confidential undisclosed amount.

Gloria Alred gets her settlements. Floyd has been arrested many times for abusing woman besides the one where he beat the woman and threatened his kids. Floyd says he does what he wants and doesn't care so why should it surprise anyone on here that he did do these things. Of course Floyd threatened her and took her property. He admits that. I said 12 million before it will be closer to 20.

I'm against all gold diggers but guess what,the p4p boxing man surrounds himself with gold diggers because that's what he wants. Do you really think any of those women are hanging around for Floyd's personality? He really should learn from life.

Do you think one of his new girls will get jealous or mad and try and get payback vs Floyd for his questionable behavior? Does the sun rise every day?


Good points D2.

It appears that Floyd took the time to make sure his (possibly and seemingly damaging) version of the story was well publicised.

But unfortunately that version - regardless of whether it is accurate or not - is - in the eyes of the law - a breach of the law and one in a way that is both (legally) well known and practiced.

As wonderful as hindsight is; Floyd probably should have just let her go and not said anything about it.

Hopefully this will pass in the most comfortable way (if one exists) and not impact his upcoming fight/performance.

brownsugar says:

The fact that this woman held a PRESS CONFERENCE is enough to tell me she is looking for a payday.

Floyd may very well be an idiot, but women are evil be home any means I can comprehend.
They terrify me.


Agreed.

Like yourself Amayseng I work in the health profession...... I was shocked to see that Mayweather posted the entire sonagram form which had the woman's personal information on it....on Facebook. (HIPPA violation)
And he had a video on all access showing him distributing Ms Jacksons stuff to a room full of women.
Personally if I break up with a woman I let her take everything she wants (within reason). Because right or wrong she feels like she is owed for the time she spent.

I have absolutely no sympathy for Ms Jackson..... But you can't repossess a gold diggers gold without dealing with the consequences.

stormcentre says:

The fact that this woman held a PRESS CONFERENCE is enough to tell me she is looking for a payday.

Floyd may very well be an idiot, but women are evil beyond any means I can comprehend.
They terrify me.


Yes, spot on.

Miss Jackson (now) makes no secret about the fact she's looking for financial damages.

There is a possibility that (Miss Jackson believes that) Floyd runs his relationships in an authorative, opportunistic and controlling manner; where he expects his desires and wishes to be carried out in return for his support.

If that is the case then currently Miss Jackson will - despite all the expensive gifts Floyd has furnished her with - be currently feeling empowered with the fact that the law, Floyd's actions and her (claimed) tolerance of them has now enabled her.

Nothing like a woman scorned as they say.

No argument from me there.

But, when you make the public comments Floyd did (even if you don't subject your "girlfriend" on a daily basis and/or on a published basis to all the insecurities that go with knowing your man always has a posse of "temps" and "permanents" to "fall back" on and that you are easily replaced and merely the latest) about a woman - right or wrong - you're almost always in for a fight.

Floyd's wealth just means the fight is worth it; for both Gloria and Shantel.

I am going to be surprised if there is not a plethora of information out there on the net and elsewhere to support not just Shantel's claims - but also the claims/inferences Gloria will make; which will all dovetail into something like Floyd doesn't respect women - a claim that Floyd's conduct (at times) appears to support in a way that must surely make Gloria chant . ..

"Hard work is what . . . . easy work".

Floyd has made this easy for her, and this will hurt publicly, financially and possibly on fight night.

The Commish says:

Press conference + Publicity = Payday.

That's what the girl wants!

"Women weaken legs!" And bank accounts!

-Randy G.

stormcentre says:

Press conference + Publicity = Payday.

That's what the girl wants!

"Women weaken legs!" And bank accounts!

-Randy G.


Hard to argue with that.

Carmine Cas says:

Press conference + Publicity = Payday.

That's what the girl wants!

"Women weaken legs!" And bank accounts!

-Randy G.

Do you think it will be the last time this happens to Floyd? It's not like he hangs out with a girl he met at church. If you lie down with snakes you will get bit.


Those pretty much sum up the whole situation.

deepwater2 says:

Agreed.

Like yourself Amayseng I work in the health profession...... I was shocked to see that Mayweather posted the entire sonagram form which had the woman's personal information on it....on Facebook. (HIPPA violation)
And he had a video on all access showing him distributing Ms Jacksons stuff to a room full of women.
Personally if I break up with a woman I let her take everything she wants (within reason). Because right or wrong she feels like she is owed for the time she spent.

I have absolutely no sympathy for Ms Jackson..... But you can't repossess a gold diggers gold without dealing with the consequences.


I could pretty much make any mistake at work with dire consequences for a patient and keep my job. 1 HIPPA violation I am out the door by the end of the day and my pension cut. A man that was head of a Dept and with the company for 30 yrs+ looked up medical info on a neighbor, he was out the door and sued in civil court because the neighbor who complained says he would be reluctant to have medical exams because of this. Damages were paid.

The Shadow says:

The fact that this woman held a PRESS CONFERENCE is enough to tell me she is looking for a payday.

Floyd may very well be an idiot, but women are evil beyond any means I can comprehend.
They terrify me.


Exactly, excellent point. Why hold a press conference? She's not famous; the guy she's suing is. Even the one he ended up doing time for didn't do all that.

The timing is suspicious, the fact that she has the reality show... This just reeks. You can't come tell me this isn't going in the show.

And they scare the s*** out of me, too. Some of them are truly evil creatures.

I think you nailed it right there.

deepwater2 says:

The golddigger has Floyd nailed on the HIPPA violation. End of story. Floyd should hire an advisor to protect him from himself. He has all these yes men on the payroll and look what happens.

As far as calling press conferences to announce the lawsuit ,that is her lawyers signature move. She calls the press conference to strike first and set the tone. Its better to get it out there and set the tone,instead of quietly filing a lawsuit because once the media gets a hold of it, it will be out of their hands.Didn't she just roast Donald Sterling?

Alred and Floyd's lawyer will have brunch at the Beverly Hills Waldorf and over small talk and champagne meet somewhere in the middle of 10-20 million.

Radam G says:

It is some serious overreaching going on. Ms Jackson is going to lose this lawsuit in the long run. And she doesn't have Money May's moolah to prolong the thing.

She will either drop this silly thing that she caused by being whorish -- her right to be so -- or settle. (How does Lil' Floyd even really know that he was the sperm _____ of those aborted twim?

I'm calling it now. Either Money May counter lawsuit and win, or they both come to a settlement.

Ms Jackson really needs to fade to black already.

I will post it again. This whole thing is a sideshow and a pubic -- I mean publicity -- stunt. Hehehe! Holla!

flackoguapo says:

Ms jackson ain't nothin but a thristy big booty Judy. Floyd likes em thicker than a snicker though. If he isn't carrying around that Milli bag I think all his females out-weigh him lol. But I hope the allegations aren't true and I am having my doubts about it because the timing could not be better.

brownsugar says:

Ms jackson ain't nothin but a thristy big booty Judy. Floyd likes em thicker than a snicker though. If he isn't carrying around that Milli bag I think all his females out-weigh him lol. But I hope the allegations aren't true and I am having my doubts about it because the timing could not be better.


I got a chuckle out of that one lol...

flackoguapo says:

Haha. Floyd knows how to pick his fights/women(aesthetically). I do not see this as being a distraction to Floyd because he handled a more skillful Cotto when he KNEW he was going to get locked down. I may be wrong but I think it's not in Maidanas best interest to try and slow the pace down. His relentlessness mixed with constant unpredictability is what I think Can help him break the 'money' bank( not methodically trying to break Floyd down).

Radam G says:

Haha. Floyd knows how to pick his fights/women(aesthetically). I do not see this as being a distraction to Floyd because he handled a more skillful Cotto when he KNEW he was going to get locked down. I may be wrong but I think it's not in Maidanas best interest to try and slow the pace down. His relentlessness mixed with constant unpredictability is what I think Can help him break the 'money' bank( not methodically trying to break Floyd down).


No way that Chino will slow down the pace. He would get picked apart. If he is not wild, Money beats him worse than a red-headed, hyped-up Canelo -- I mean child. Holla!

stormcentre says:

Exactly, excellent point. Why hold a press conference? She's not famous; the guy she's suing is. Even the one he ended up doing time for didn't do all that.

The timing is suspicious, the fact that she has the reality show... This just reeks. You can't come tell me this isn't going in the show.

And they scare the s*** out of me, too. Some of them are truly evil creatures.

I think you nailed it right there.


I have a friend that is quite sought after by the ladies.

He has it all, and I mean all.

Mostly though, businesses he has some control (but doesn't necessarily own) over own most of his assets.

Great guy too.

If he ever hooks up with one in the sense where they transition from being a "temp" to a perm he has a very good technique.

First, he never owns the house they live in.

Second, depending on the value of Gold Digger he thinks they are and/or have become, he racks up debt for their lifestyle; rather than paying cash - say like out of a money bag that is sure to attract Gold Diggers (GD).

There are many other little aspects to his approach, but you get the picture.

When/if the GD makes her move there is always a significant joint marital debt to consider and that realisations usually comes shortly after said GD's claim for alimony or otherwise.

Two things though;

1) He never gives them a free shot, such as entering the realm of domestic abuse; it's too dangerous.

2) I have not advised him to take the above approaches.

stormcentre says:

The golddigger has Floyd nailed on the HIPPA violation. End of story. Floyd should hire an advisor to protect him from himself. He has all these yes men on the payroll and look what happens.

As far as calling press conferences to announce the lawsuit ,that is her lawyers signature move. She calls the press conference to strike first and set the tone. Its better to get it out there and set the tone,instead of quietly filing a lawsuit because once the media gets a hold of it, it will be out of their hands.Didn't she just roast Donald Sterling?

Alred and Floyd's lawyer will have brunch at the Beverly Hills Waldorf and over small talk and champagne meet somewhere in the middle of 10-20 million.



Good post.

Best response I can make is; please see point 5 of this post.

http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?17140-Miss-Jackson-Suing-Floyd-Mayweather-Says-TMZ&p=63042&viewfull=1#post63042

stormcentre says:

Here’s the Granddaddy of all considerations related to this.

A famous poet and romanticist once said; “there are very few things you can do that are as dangerous as falling in love”.

It’s quite true when you realize all the pressures, anguish and changes men can ultimately go through once that happens.

Particularly if you cohabit a premises together, can be legally considered a couple, and there are little ones involved.

And, particularly if things don’t go to plan to such an extent that the parties consider their legal rights.

At that point the fact that the man is (usually) the breadwinner, the head of the house, and used to it; all changes.

Now, we all know women are attracted to wealth.

And we all know men use this to attract women.

Just as women use sex to get love, and men use love to get sex.

I think most men in this forum know what they want in a lady and from a woman; so I won’t elaborate.

However, what (many or some) women really want from a man can sometimes be quite confronting.

Many people are conditioned by social and other media these days.

Women certainly are.

Like men with porn and other powerful images of beautiful women and their curiously wonderful reverse curves; women are fed a media diet of attractive wealthy men that provide for them and their motherhood ambitions.

This is why most women long for the big marriage day or something legally similar.

They know they can’t have children and achieve the lifestyle they have been indoctrinated with, unless someone provides.

Hence their fascination and almost singular priority on appearance in the early and fertile years.

I wont continue with the philosophy of life, and what I have written doesn’t mean I agree with Miss Jackson and/or Floyd; but I will step outside of the objective bubble and say this . . . .

What did he think she would do after she saw and consumed all Floyd’s public and recorded comments about her and their twins, and then saw him on All Access hamming it up in bed with other women and telling the world he will do/say what he wants, when he wants.

Far out, at what stage do you look inward and recall on your last court appearance?

This game is like boxing, and perhaps even more dangerous.

You can’t pretend your opponent can’t punch and then act surprised when she does.

Whether we like it or not, women have rights and they include the right to be attracted to men’s wealth; even if those men don’t initially use it to attract and control them.

I’m not saying it doesn’t suck.

But I am saying the game has been like this for years and moved on some.

Those that don’t learn from histories mistakes, let alone their own, are doomed to . . . . . .

Peace.

Radam G says:

[QUOTE=stormcentre;63136]Here’s the Granddaddy of all considerations related to this.

A famous poet and romanticist once said; “there are very few things you can do that are as dangerous as falling in love”.

It’s quite true when you realize all the pressures, anguish and changes men can ultimately go through once that happens.

Particularly if you cohabit a premises together, can be legally considered a couple, and there are little ones involved.

And, particularly if things don’t go to plan to such an extent that the parties consider their legal rights.

At that point the fact that the man is (usually) the breadwinner, the head of the house, and used to it; all changes.

Now, we all know women are attracted to wealth.

And we all know men use this to attract women.

Just as women use sex to get love, and men use love to get sex.

I think most men in this forum know what they want in a lady and from a woman; so I won’t elaborate.

However, what (many or some) women really want from a man can sometimes be quite confronting.

Many people are conditioned by social and other media these days.

Women certainly are.

Like men with porn and other powerful images of beautiful women and their curiously wonderful reverse curves; women are fed a media diet of attractive wealthy men that provide for them and their motherhood ambitions.

This is why most women long for the big marriage day or something legally similar.

They know they can’t have children and achieve the lifestyle they have been indoctrinated with, unless someone provides.

Hence their fascination and almost singular priority on appearance in the early and fertile years.

I wont continue with the philosophy of life, and what I have written doesn’t mean I agree with Miss Jackson and/or Floyd; but I will step outside of the objective bubble and say this . . . .

What did he think she would do after she saw and consumed all Floyd’s public and recorded comments about her and their twins, and then saw him on All Access hamming it up in bed with other women and telling the world he will do/say what he wants, when he wants.

Far out, at what stage do you look inward and recall on your last court appearance?

This game is like boxing, and perhaps even more dangerous.

You can’t pretend your opponent can’t punch and then act surprised when she does.

Whether we like it or not, women have rights and they include the right to be attracted to men’s wealth; even if those men don’t initially use it to attract and control them.

I’m not saying it doesn’t suck.

But I am saying the game has been like this for years and moved on some.

Those that don’t learn from histories mistakes, let alone their own, are doomed to . . . . . .

Peace.[/QUOTE]

Wow! Masterpiece heaving and weaving! You straight-up tore it up. Holla!

brownsugar says:

[QUOTE=stormcentre;63136]Here’s the Granddaddy of all considerations related to this.

A famous poet and romanticist once said; “there are very few things you can do that are as dangerous as falling in love”.

It’s quite true when you realize all the pressures, anguish and changes men can ultimately go through once that happens.

Particularly if you cohabit a premises together, can be legally considered a couple, and there are little ones involved.

And, particularly if things don’t go to plan to such an extent that the parties consider their legal rights.

At that point the fact that the man is (usually) the breadwinner, the head of the house, and used to it; all changes.

Now, we all know women are attracted to wealth.

And we all know men use this to attract women.

Just as women use sex to get love, and men use love to get sex.

I think most men in this forum know what they want in a lady and from a woman; so I won’t elaborate.

However, what (many or some) women really want from a man can sometimes be quite confronting.

Many people are conditioned by social and other media these days.

Women certainly are.

Like men with porn and other powerful images of beautiful women and their curiously wonderful reverse curves; women are fed a media diet of attractive wealthy men that provide for them and their motherhood ambitions.

This is why most women long for the big marriage day or something legally similar.

They know they can’t have children and achieve the lifestyle they have been indoctrinated with, unless someone provides.

Hence their fascination and almost singular priority on appearance in the early and fertile years.

I wont continue with the philosophy of life, and what I have written doesn’t mean I agree with Miss Jackson and/or Floyd; but I will step outside of the objective bubble and say this . . . .

What did he think she would do after she saw and consumed all Floyd’s public and recorded comments about her and their twins, and then saw him on All Access hamming it up in bed with other women and telling the world he will do/say what he wants, when he wants.

Far out, at what stage do you look inward and recall on your last court appearance?

This game is like boxing, and perhaps even more dangerous.

You can’t pretend your opponent can’t punch and then act surprised when she does.

Whether we like it or not, women have rights and they include the right to be attracted to men’s wealth; even if those men don’t initially use it to attract and control them.

I’m not saying it doesn’t suck.

But I am saying the game has been like this for years and moved on some.

Those that don’t learn from histories mistakes, let alone their own, are doomed to . . . . . .

Peace.[/QUOTE]

Good stuff you're displaying some excellent range

amayseng says:

I will break it down a little more simple.

With today's social media where every single girl/woman is their own CELEBRITY with a fan club of men orbiting them with compliments and flattery, these woman no longer have any morals, values, or goals of retaining a GOOD man. They no longer long for a man to become one with, they no longer understand that it takes effort on their part to give a man love and care to keep him and fulfill themselves. Instead they are their own HERO where they thrive off of attention and compliments..They act like princess'.

It is quite disturbing if you ask me.

quick story,
I dated a 37 year old woman last year. Beautiful, great job, loving, caring. However, she uploaded a selfie pic almost every single day on FB and received around 30 comments every time about how beautiful she was, and she THANKED every single guy's comment indivually..

I told her BYE.


end of story....

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=amayseng;63195]I will break it down a little more simple.

With today's social media where every single girl/woman is their own CELEBRITY with a fan club of men orbiting them with compliments and flattery, these woman no longer have any morals, values, or goals of retaining a GOOD man. They no longer long for a man to become one with, they no longer understand that it takes effort on their part to give a man love and care to keep him and fulfill themselves. Instead they are their own HERO where they thrive off of attention and compliments..They act like princess'.

It is quite disturbing if you ask me.

quick story,
I dated a 37 year old woman last year. Beautiful, great job, loving, caring. However, she uploaded a selfie pic almost every single day on FB and received around 30 comments every time about how beautiful she was, and she THANKED every single guy's comment indivually..

I told her BYE.


end of story....[/QUOTE]

You're the MAN!

Without going to deep into what's going on here psychologically with the uploading, I can clearly tell you saved yourself a lot of heartache/headache by taking action promptly.

Good for you bro!

amayseng says:

[QUOTE=The Shadow;63203]You're the MAN!

Without going to deep into what's going on here psychologically with the uploading, I can clearly tell you saved yourself a lot of heartache/headache by taking action promptly.

Good for you bro![/QUOTE]

I dated her for 6 months and she was a caring and genuine girl, really she would never cheat or anything but the fact 6 months in and she craved that attention from other men, well, see ya later go get it. That was telling enough for me as she was 37, not 17 and in high school.

How in the world do you find a good girl these days?

I have actually been seeing a 27 year old for the last 7 months, although I refuse to look at her fb she never does selfies and makes fun of those fb clowns.....That is why she is still around. If not she would take a hike.

The Commish needs to give us a lesson and class on how to find the right woman, he hit the jackpot!

amayseng says:

[QUOTE=The Shadow;63203]You're the MAN!

Without going to deep into what's going on here psychologically with the uploading, I can clearly tell you saved yourself a lot of heartache/headache by taking action promptly.

Good for you bro![/QUOTE]

Oh and by all means, get deep I want to know your thoughts about the psyche of attention whoring women that have to seek it nonstop.....

proceed...

brownsugar says:

[QUOTE=amayseng;63195]I will break it down a little more simple.

With today's social media where every single girl/woman is theirml own CELEBRITY with a fan club of men orbiting them with compliments and flattery, these woman no longer have any morals, values, or goals of retaining a GOOD man. They no longer long for a man to become one with, they no longer understand that it takes effort on their part to give a man love and care to keep him and fulfill themselves. Instead they are their own HERO where they thrive off of attention and compliments..They act like princess'.

It is quite disturbing if you ask me.

quick story,
I dated a 37 year old woman last year. Beautiful, great job, loving, caring. However, she uploaded a selfie pic almost every single day on FB and received around 30 comments every time about how beautiful she was, and she THANKED every single guy's comment indivually..

I told her BYE.


end of story....[/QUOTE]

Ha I can relate my ex had a face book fetish .... I found her talking to her ex at 4 in the morning ..he was begging and pleading
Professing a change of character.

Cursing his failure to be the man he wanted.

I said you're talking to HIM!!!!

she let me read her comments which seamed harmless enough but a 20 minute Facebook chat is too encouraging for a broken hearted ex who was desperately clinging to the past and living off the fumes of a failed relationship.

I have a simple rule of my own when it comes to relationships.

I don't date women who still text their ex.
Call and check on their ex
Help their ex in an emergency (please refer him to 911)
Chat with their ex on Facebook
Have a close relationship with the ex's family
Borrow a cup of sugar from their ex
Visit their ex in jail
Write letters to their ex
Confide in their ex
Or talk excessively about their ex

Women who confide their personal business with people on the internet or with their ex are committing emotional adultery.

Exceeding those boundaries effectively terminates the relationship.

I would never voluntarily have a relationship with anyone I had to quote those rules to.

amayseng says:

[QUOTE=brownsugar;63211]Ha I can relate my ex had a face book fetish .... I found her talking to her ex at 4 in the morning ..he was begging and pleading
Professing a change of character.

Cursing his failure to be the man he wanted.

I said you're talking to HIM!!!!

she let me read her comments which seamed harmless enough but a 20 minute Facebook chat is too encouraging for a broken hearted ex who was desperately clinging to the past and living off the fumes of a failed relationship.

I have a simple rule of my own when it comes to relationships.

I don't date women who still text their ex.
Call and check on their ex
Help their ex in an emergency (please refer him to 911)
Chat with their ex on Facebook
Have a close relationship with the ex's family
Borrow a cup of sugar from their ex
Visit their ex in jail
Write letters to their ex
Confide in their ex
Or talk excessively about their ex

Women who confide their personal business with people on the internet or with their ex are committing emotional adultery.

Exceeding those boundaries effectively terminates the relationship.

I would never voluntarily have a relationship with anyone I had to quote those rules to.[/QUOTE]

I absolutely HAVE the same set of rules, or standards or morals...

There is a thing called emotional cheating, it precedes physical cheating..

I agree with boundaries as well..

I told my girl boundaries are set and create loyalty and trust, without them well there is no more relationship...

brownsugar says:

[QUOTE=The Shadow;63203]You're the MAN!

Without going to deep into what's going on here psychologically with the uploading, I can clearly tell you saved yourself a lot of heartache/headache by taking action promptly.

Good for you bro![/QUOTE]

What is the psyche breakdown if I may ask?

Radam G says:

[QUOTE=amayseng;63207]I dated her for 6 months and she was a caring and genuine girl, really she would never cheat or anything but the fact 6 months in and she craved that attention from other men, well, see ya later go get it. That was telling enough for me as she was 37, not 17 and in high school.

How in the world do you find a good girl these days?

I have actually been seeing a 27 year old for the last 7 months, although I refuse to look at her fb she never does selfies and makes fun of those fb clowns.....That is why she is still around. If not she would take a hike.

The Commish needs to give us a lesson and class on how to find the right woman, he hit the jackpot![/QUOTE]

Take a trip to the P-Islands. That is where "you can find a good girl these days."

Oh, YUP! There are a few air-headed, stupid, stank hos, but that is their lane. And they will let you know that they are not going to change. They are happy joy girls for life. And they believe that God sentenced them that way to be. And not a single one of those hos ever wanna become a wife. They love that sleazy-and-shady strife. And are going to die that way. All they want is play and pay.

Now back to finding a good girl. They are a dime a dozen here in the P-Islands. Or maybe a dollar a bucket. But they are legit, and being a fateful, no matter the circumstances, wife they won't ever quit.

I guess it is in the DNA. And those, who don't have it, won't stay. On the mainland USA, I guess the wind blows that way.

In the enchanted P-Islands, you can be like the Commish and hit the jackpot. Or a few other pots. For your selection, there are a lot. And getting a none-genuine one, you will not. Holla!

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=brownsugar;63213]What is the psyche breakdown if I may ask?[/QUOTE]

I'll give a detailed breakdown later. I used to do quite a bit of field tests, studies and observations of this kind in my soc psych life, wrote quite a bit on it also.

Plus I know quite a bit about ladies also from growing up in an environment seeing the evils of pis*ed women up close and personal from the time I was 2, which is what fascinated me to go into social psychology in the first place.

It's not really rocket science but I'll need a few minutes to get on my computer and put it together because it may go long lol. Hope that's OK.

brownsugar says:

[QUOTE=The Shadow;63221]I'll share my take in a little bit. I used to do quite a bit of field tests, studies and observations of this kind in my soc psych life, wrote quite a bit on it also.

Plus I know quite a bit about ladies also from growing up in an environment seeing the evils of pis*ed women up close and personal from the time I was 2, which is what fascinated me to go into social psychology in the first place.

It's not really rocket science but I'll need a few minutes to get on my computer and put it together because it may go long lol. Hope that's OK.[/QUOTE]

Thanks in advance...I'll look for it in random topics

stormcentre says:

In response to the majority of the above-mentioned posts since my last . . . . .

Some women fall in love with the way men make them feel about themselves (which may be a self value and/or commercial media issue); others fall in love with the man; others fall in love with both.

I must admit the signs that are indicative of what you have are not always obvious on “first inspection”.

amayseng says:

[QUOTE=Radam G;63216]Take a trip to the P-Islands. That is where "you can find a good girl these days."

Oh, YUP! There are a few air-headed, stupid, stank hos, but that is their lane. And they will let you know that they are not going to change. They are happy joy girls for life. And they believe that God sentenced them that way to be. And not a single one of those hos ever wanna become a wife. They love that sleazy-and-shady strife. And are going to die that way. All they want is play and pay.

Now back to finding a good girl. They are a dime a dozen here in the P-Islands. Or maybe a dollar a bucket. But they are legit, and being a fateful, no matter the circumstances, wife they won't ever quit.

I guess it is in the DNA. And those, who don't have it, won't stay. On the mainland USA, I guess the wind blows that way.

In the enchanted P-Islands, you can be like the Commish and hit the jackpot. Or a few other pots. For your selection, there are a lot. And getting a none-genuine one, you will not. Holla![/QUOTE]

I just may do that to snag a wife..

Can you put me up for a few days? haha

Radam G says:

[QUOTE=amayseng;63248]I just may do that to snag a wife..

Can you put me up for a few days? haha[/QUOTE]

Of course! Hehehe! Holla!

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=brownsugar;63213]What is the psyche breakdown if I may ask?[/QUOTE]

To finally address you and Amayseng, I'm going to give a somewhat muddled response but I hope it makes some sort of sense.

Also, I want to preface this by saying that my area of expertise lies in ingroup-outgroup dynamics but I have done enough (academic) research to give at least a somewhat informed opinion.

I'm struggling how to keep it short, concise, crisp while relevant to boxing and nothing came to mind so I'm just going to wing it. Bear with me, it may be long LOL.

As for the reason they do it, the short version is some women, or people period, are often simply unfulfilled and riddled with insecurities.

Those are the ones you do not want around. Amayseng saved himself a tremendous amount of potential heartache by not going through with it.

Gosh, I have empirical data for days...

In the case of the 37-year-old woman who on the surface has everything you would want, she may have that void, that insecurity, that self doubt.

Especially if her self worth is tied into her physical appearance. And therein lies the danger. The way the social medium and selfies work, they often trigger, turn or tie one's self image into just that.

The way social media works these days, there's an instant outlet/source for the temporary gratification compliments give you.

Unfortunately, these compliments have a short-term effect, sort of like Advils masking the symptoms instead of curing them -- and they can create a necessity, if not outright addiction for them.

To avoid cluttering the thread, you can read the rest of my (looooong) post [URL="http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?17187-My-Response-to-Amayseng-and-Brownsugar-on-the-Psychology-of-Social-Media-S****&p=63355#post63355">here.

stormcentre says:



In the case of the 37-year-old woman who on the surface has everything you would want, she may have that void, that insecurity, that self doubt.

Especially if her self worth is tied into her physical appearance. And therein lies the danger. The way the social medium and selfies work, they often trigger, turn or tie one's self image into just that.

The way social media works these days, there's an instant outlet/source for the temporary gratification compliments give you.

Unfortunately, these compliments have a short-term effect, sort of like Advils masking the symptoms instead of curing them -- and they can create a necessity, if not outright addiction for them.


Well said and quite true.

There is a rule, albeit as simple as it is elegant, that I use when assessing;

1) Appearance.

2) Sex appeal (lets be honest).

3) Long term potential and/or loyalty and companionship.

Perhaps it distills all we are saying . . . . .

I look at (a) what she does, and not necessarily (b) what she says; over a given period of time and always revisit it.

Then I subtract "b" from "a" reasonably frequently, and assess and/or (not necessarily in a incisive way) talk.

The truth is always the easiest to remember and human psychology is such that very few untrained people can change who they are, what they do and want; to perfectly and consistently align with a persona that they may have easily developed in order to achieve their non genuine and/or aligned (with mine) interests, wealth and maternal interests; or all.

It's an art form I am proud to say I have perfected.

amayseng says:

To finally address you and Amayseng, I'm going to give a somewhat muddled response but I hope it makes some sort of sense.

Also, I want to preface this by saying that my area of expertise lies in ingroup-outgroup dynamics but I have done enough (academic) research to give at least a somewhat informed opinion.

I'm struggling how to keep it short, concise, crisp while relevant to boxing and nothing came to mind so I'm just going to wing it. Bear with me, it may be long LOL.

As for the reason they do it, the short version is some women, or people period, are often simply unfulfilled and riddled with insecurities.

Those are the ones you do not want around. Amayseng saved himself a tremendous amount of potential heartache by not going through with it.

Gosh, I have empirical data for days...

In the case of the 37-year-old woman who on the surface has everything you would want, she may have that void, that insecurity, that self doubt.

Especially if her self worth is tied into her physical appearance. And therein lies the danger. The way the social medium and selfies work, they often trigger, turn or tie one's self image into just that.

The way social media works these days, there's an instant outlet/source for the temporary gratification compliments give you.

Unfortunately, these compliments have a short-term effect, sort of like Advils masking the symptoms instead of curing them -- and they can create a necessity, if not outright addiction for them.

To avoid cluttering the thread, you can read the rest of my (looooong) post [URL="http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?17187-My-Response-to-Amayseng-and-Brownsugar-on-the-Psychology-of-Social-Media-S****&p=63355#post63355">here.


I read the entire post and concur, my thoughts exactly.

Its a sad time we live in where a woman cares more about orbiters than being a good woman to her man.

flackoguapo says:

WARNING: May be sensitive for some...


How many of us would not like to take a dime (that you were really feelin') home after a night out? Maybe I am wrong but I feel like the majority of (single) dudes(or not so single?) that go out would love to meet somebody (hot) and have something happen. And in order for all that to happen the girl's gotta be kinda slutty. I wish all the girls I met "usually never do this" but if that was true no of us would be getting play. I mean no disrespect to all the comments above because they have research and are very well done, but I am just saying from what I see in the world I am in. I do not disagree though, if you really want there to be more wife-material ladies out there then there's just gonna be less casual sex. Because I think that's what were all kind of getting at. It does take two to tango. And if you like to do your thing often then most girls you meet are going to be pretty "casual" if that's what your looking for.

I am not trying to be immature about this but that's how I see it. Girls have more freedom now to do what they do and it's just more accepted. Girls are okay with just being on the "team" now and not just TMT. Now watch me fall in love and have to take down my TSS account because the MRS. says I spend to much time on here. Haha.

BTW.. I really appreciate everyone's posts and I read all of them and try to learn from ALL of em'! I just notice that not too many people on here have the same perspective on life as me so I put my 2 cents in but I understand. I grew up in an area with different circumstances and different culture then most. But that is why I really like to read and learn from everybody because I have never been exposed to those types of thoughts and ways of thinking so it really helps me grow and see my flaws.

Froggy says:

WARNING: May be sensitive for some...


How many of us would not like to take a dime (that you were really feelin') home after a night out? Maybe I am wrong but I feel like the majority of (single) dudes(or not so single?) that go out would love to meet somebody (hot) and have something happen. And in order for all that to happen the girl's gotta be kinda slutty. I wish all the girls I met "usually never do this" but if that was true no of us would be getting play. I mean no disrespect to all the comments above because they have research and are very well done, but I am just saying from what I see in the world I am in. I do not disagree though, if you really want there to be more wife-material ladies out there then there's just gonna be less casual sex. Because I think that's what were all kind of getting at. It does take two to tango. And if you like to do your thing often then most girls you meet are going to be pretty "casual" if that's what your looking for.

I am not trying to be immature about this but that's how I see it. Girls have more freedom now to do what they do and it's just more accepted. Girls are okay with just being on the "team" now and not just TMT. Now watch me fall in love and have to take down my TSS account because the MRS. says I spend to much time on here. Haha.

BTW.. I really appreciate everyone's posts and I read all of them and try to learn from ALL of em'! I just notice that not too many people on here have the same perspective on life as me so I put my 2 cents in but I understand. I grew up in an area with different circumstances and different culture then most. But that is why I really like to read and learn from everybody because I have never been exposed to those types of thoughts and ways of thinking so it really helps me grow and see my flaws.


Pretty hard to disagree with anything I just read . Does not mean the other posts are wrong either, though !

brownsugar says:

WARNING: May be sensitive for some...


How many of us would not like to take a dime (that you were really feelin') home after a night out? Maybe I am wrong but I feel like the majority of (single) dudes(or not so single?) that go out would love to meet somebody (hot) and have something happen. And in order for all that to happen the girl's gotta be kinda slutty. I wish all the girls I met "usually never do this" but if that was true no of us would be getting play. I mean no disrespect to all the comments above because they have research and are very well done, but I am just saying from what I see in the world I am in. I do not disagree though, if you really want there to be more wife-material ladies out there then there's just gonna be less casual sex. Because I think that's what were all kind of getting at. It does take two to tango. And if you like to do your thing often then most girls you meet are going to be pretty "casual" if that's what your looking for.

I am not trying to be immature about this but that's how I see it. Girls have more freedom now to do what they do and it's just more accepted. Girls are okay with just being on the "team" now and not just TMT. Now watch me fall in love and have to take down my TSS account because the MRS. says I spend to much time on here. Haha. AND there is lots of beautiful, sweet girls out there who are not promiscuous but you just gotta' go out there and find em'! (not in the club or social media, IMO)

BTW.. I really appreciate everyone's posts and I read all of them and try to learn from ALL of em'! I just notice that not too many people on here have the same perspective on life as me so I put my 2 cents in but I understand. I grew up in an area with different circumstances and different culture then most. But that is why I really like to read and learn from everybody because I have never been exposed to those types of thoughts and ways of thinking so it really helps me grow and see my flaws.


No need to apologize...
Your post was candid and refreshing.
I like the diversity on this thread..
There are no ivory towers on this site.... just people expressing themselves.

The Commish says:

This thread is just killing it. Mix our favorite topic with some estrogen and KABOOOM!!!!

-Randy G.

stormcentre says:

WARNING: May be sensitive for some...


How many of us would not like to take a dime (that you were really feelin') home after a night out? Maybe I am wrong but I feel like the majority of (single) dudes(or not so single?) that go out would love to meet somebody (hot) and have something happen. And in order for all that to happen the girl's gotta be kinda slutty. I wish all the girls I met "usually never do this" but if that was true no of us would be getting play. I mean no disrespect to all the comments above because they have research and are very well done, but I am just saying from what I see in the world I am in. I do not disagree though, if you really want there to be more wife-material ladies out there then there's just gonna be less casual sex. Because I think that's what were all kind of getting at. It does take two to tango. And if you like to do your thing often then most girls you meet are going to be pretty "casual" if that's what your looking for.

I am not trying to be immature about this but that's how I see it. Girls have more freedom now to do what they do and it's just more accepted. Girls are okay with just being on the "team" now and not just TMT. Now watch me fall in love and have to take down my TSS account because the MRS. says I spend to much time on here. Haha. AND there is lots of beautiful, sweet girls out there who are not promiscuous but you just gotta' go out there and find em'! (not in the club or social media, IMO)

BTW.. I really appreciate everyone's posts and I read all of them and try to learn from ALL of em'! I just notice that not too many people on here have the same perspective on life as me so I put my 2 cents in but I understand. I grew up in an area with different circumstances and different culture then most. But that is why I really like to read and learn from everybody because I have never been exposed to those types of thoughts and ways of thinking so it really helps me grow and see my flaws.


Warning - May Be Real.

It's all good stuff FGP.

If you're interested in having them hang around, live-in and prepared for the risks associated with that, then you have to adopt some kind of approach to ensure your (emotional and financial) investment is safe and remains at expected values - unless you love and thrive for danger, heartache, bitterness and hardship.

There's a reason why most love songs (except those from the Sex Pistol's front man when he went solo in Public Image) . . . . if you play them backwards, you get back your car, dog, money, constant access to children, house and sanity.

But then, of course, it wasn't that long ago that I can't remember - in fact it happens regularly - when all you're after is what's usually covered by lingerie, a conquest, and something that pleases your ego (if we're honest) as much as it stimulates the seminiferous tubules, epididymis and vas deferens.

What you speak of has similarities to the diametrically opposed principles BS touched on in another post pertaining to if a fighter's promotor or manager decides to please the fans or his fighter. One considers the fighter's longevity, livelihood and employment (and therefore risk and entertainment is not the priority) - the other considers the fans (and therefore risk and entertainment is the priority).

Similarly with women, when we guys go out looking for the best lay we can get - with that as the driving priority - we want a hottie that will be considered a decent conquest, please and put out.

Conversely, and perhaps confusingly, we also want and/or must consider that she only does these things for us - and not any or everyone else; otherwise she crosses the invisible line and becomes something that is such an easy virtue that it cancels out all the other "qualities" that attracted us to her.

Of course she can preserve herself from this speculation but in doing so she risks being a cokteaser; which is a phrase I believe we men invented to scare women from considering such options due to how it confuses and potentially minimises our above-mentioned investments.

Women, of course, and like men, enjoy coitus.

So, for them, they (usually) must play the game and fight displaying their urges quite so evidently as men may do; whilst at the same time - provided we're talking pub scene stuff - revealing just enough cleavage and other pieces of information to keep us interested.

However, one of the reasons women can be so confusing to us is that they don't always know what they want and why they (in courtship or similar modes) behave the way they do.

But, when their maternal and/or other related instincts (that cross over and reside in economic pastures) kick in, it becomes quite evident to them why this game is confusing and what can be achieved with it; far beyond the bedroom.

Amongst the many brutal facts related to sex, love and relationships, is that people (including women) have relationships to further their interests - not necessarily for altruistic reasons as we are taught.

What this means is that there is equal - if not far more - emphasis on status, paternal success, and also both commercial and economic considerations; than fun, bedroom pleasure, appearance and conversation; when so called meaningful relationships are formed in most of the Western World.

The kicker is, none of this is readily evident when you first learn and succeed in pulling chicks, and as such the harsh realisation of it can be the one of the most shocking experiences that a man will ever experience.

Frequently, the women can fare better than the men in those unmitigated disasters due to the fact that, because most men still have many of their actions driven by their pants (and why wouldn't we given the way some women dress/act), they are easily distracted and/or manipulated and as such they don't really see what is coming.

Pun intended.

Don't believe me?

Take a day out and sit in the local family law courts near you and witness the 15 - 20 stories that go down on a daily basis.

Very seldom, unless there are criminal aspects to the matter, will you hear the words "love" and "sex" mentioned even half as much as both the commercial and economic considerations I refer to above.

Furthermore, you will also notice that (for the litigants) the point where both commercial and economic considerations started to drive the relationship more than fun, bedroom pleasure, appearance and conversation; will not only be blurred but there will also usually be great differences of opinion between the man and women on when the transition commenced and at what value it previously and currently occupies.

Children will also have an economic value associated to them; usually in conjunction with their humane aspect.

At some point in a relationship - when/if the relationship pressures (that almost always manifest from what started as a casual or not too serious relationship or sexual encounter) mount - the courts may then become a viable option for couples.

In fact, sometimes the courts become a viable option before it gets too much.

Sometimes the courts even become a viable planned option before it starts.

Particularly for Gold Diggers.

One reason why is that men, usually, have less power in the family court system than women, even without allegations that may be designed to impact the man's access to children and other rights.

Additionally, and despite their oaths to do otherwise and ensure all claims and affidavits are truthful and accurate, rarely does a legal representative consider integrity and honesty above winning - most lawyers just enjoy the fact that they are not meaningfully scrutinised by the courts and as such they leave untruths for their legal opposition to discover - or they use and swap these factoids as if they were commodities and/or bargaining chips.

Too heavy?

Once again, whilst at the courthouse take note of how many men that are there, that got there because they wanted to get their "John" wet.

The percentage is remarkably high.

Although not as high as those that, after going through the system, had real concerns about when the deception and planning actually started.

You will probably get a similar story from the women, although their values on the subject will be different.

Long story short; our approach to relationships and the family law courts are (in some way) effectively erasing relationships, family units and marriages almost as fast as churches are uniting couples in holy matrimony.

So, a better question may be why are the ideals still held up that clearly - like the Australia and USA war on drugs - don't work.

Let's look at what is touched on above, underestimated in relationships and important to economies; Money.

One simple fact is that if we had no marriage (which is often the only point where the courts can determine the above-mentioned invisible line - where the fun transitioned into responsibility and accountability); then our economy would suffer.

From my earlier posts in this thread I stated that, usually, women drive and/or expect men to provide in order that they can achieve their maternal goals.

Well, even if the guys provide, it is usually the women that spend.

As such it is no accident that economic indicators use supermarket and other commercial outlet spending as an economic health benchmark.

There are very few things we can do in life that are as dangerous as falling in love.

As no matter how many centuries behind us there are of signposts and events to warn us, our egos and interests in the flesh ultimately drive us to think the risks are worth it, and they sometimes are.

Even the quintessential inamorata or Cassanova George Clooney has recently succumbed, and that boy knows how to score and land.

So what can we do about it?

Not much FGP, just enjoy the free ride whilst it lasts; because it doesn't last as long as it seems it will, and remembering the days that you had sex all night just for the sake of it will help you through the days and nights when you get none but are expected to work and hand over the earnings.

Peace.

Radam G says:

Warning - May Be Real.

It's all good stuff FGP.

If you're interested in having them hang around, live-in and prepared for the risks associated with that, then you have to adopt some kind of approach to ensure your (emotional and financial) investment is safe and remains at expected values - unless you love and thrive for danger, heartache, bitterness and hardship.

There's a reason why most love songs (except those from the Sex Pistol's front man when he went solo in Public Image) . . . . if you play them backwards, you get back your car, dog, money, constant access to children, house and sanity.

But then, of course, it wasn't that long ago that I can't remember - in fact it happens regularly - when all you're after is; what's usually covered by lingerie, a conquest, and something that pleases your ego (if we're honest) as much as it stimulates the seminiferous tubules, epididymis, and vas deferens.

What you speak of has similarities to the diametrically opposed principles BS touched on in another post pertaining to if a fighter's promotor or manager decides to please the fans or his fighter. One considers the fighter's longevity, livelihood and employment (and therefore risk and entertainment is not the priority) - the other considers the fans (and therefore risk and entertainment is the priority).

Similarly with women, when we guys go out looking for the best lay we can get - with that as the driving priority - we want a hottie that will be considered a decent conquest, please and put out.

Conversely, and perhaps confusingly, we also want and/or must consider that she only does these things for us - and not any or everyone else; otherwise she crosses the invisible line and becomes something that is such an easy virtue that it cancels out all the other "qualities" that attracted us to her.

Of course she can preserve herself from this speculation but in doing so she risks being a cokteaser; which is a phrase I believe we men invented to scare women from considering such options due to how it confuses and potentially minimises our above-mentioned investments.

Women, of course, and like men, enjoy coitus.

So, for them, they (usually) must play the game and fight displaying their urges quite so evidently as men may do; whilst at the same time - provided we're talking pub scene stuff - revealing just enough cleavage and other pieces of information to keep us interested.

However, one of the reasons women can be so confusing to us is that they don't always know what they want and why they (in courtship or similar modes) behave the way they do.

But, when their maternal and/or other related instincts (that cross over and reside in economic pastures) kick in, it becomes quite evident to them why this game is confusing and what can be achieved with it; far beyond the bedroom.

Amongst the many brutal facts related to sex, love and relationships, is that people (including women) have relationships to further their interests - not necessarily for altruistic reasons as we are taught.

What this means is that there is equal - if not far more - emphasis on status, paternal success, and also both commercial and economic considerations; than fun, bedroom pleasure, appearance and conversation; when so called meaningful relationships are formed in most of the Western World.

The kicker is, none of this is readily evident when you first learn and succeed in pulling chicks, and as such the harsh realisation of it can be the one of the most shocking experiences that a man will ever experience.

Frequently, the women can fare better than the men in those unmitigated disasters due to the fact that, because most men still have many of their actions driven by their pants (and why wouldn't we given the way some women dress/act), they are easily distracted and/or manipulated and as such they don't really see what is coming.

Pun intended.

Don't believe me?

Take a day out and sit in the local family law courts near you and witness the 15 - 20 stories that go down on a daily basis.

Very seldom, unless there are criminal aspects to the matter, will you hear the words "love" and "sex" mentioned even half as much as both the commercial and economic considerations I refer to above.

Furthermore, you will also notice that (for the litigants) the point where both commercial and economic considerations started to drive the relationship more than fun, bedroom pleasure, appearance and conversation; will not only be blurred but there will also usually be great differences of opinion between the man and women on when the transition commenced and at what value it previously and currently occupies.

Children will also have an economic value associated to them; usually in conjunction with their humane aspect.

At some point in a relationship - when/if the relationship pressures (that almost always manifest from what started as a casual or not too serious relationship or sexual encounter) mount - the courts may then become a viable option for couples.

In fact, sometimes the courts become a viable option before it gets too much.

Sometimes the courts even become a viable planned option before it starts.

Particularly for Gold Diggers.

One reason why is that men, usually, have less power in the family court system than women, even without allegations that may be designed to impact the man's access to children and other rights.

Additionally, and despite their oaths to do otherwise and ensure all claims and affidavits are truthful and accurate, rarely does a legal representative consider integrity and honesty above winning - most lawyers just enjoy the fact that they are not meaningfully scrutinised by the courts and as such they leave untruths for their legal opposition to discover - or they use and swap these factoids as if they were commodities and/or bargaining chips.

Too heavy?

Once again, whilst at the courthouse take note of how many men that are there, that got there because they wanted to get their "John" wet.

The percentage is remarkably high.

Although not as high as those that, after going through the system, had real concerns about when the deception and planning actually started.

You will probably get a similar story from the women, although their values on the subject will be different.

Long story short; our approach to relationships and the family law courts are (in some way) effectively erasing relationships, family units and marriages almost as fast as churches are uniting couples in holy matrimony.

So, a better question may be why are the ideals still held up that clearly - like the Australia and USA war on drugs - don't work.

Let's look at what is touched on above, underestimated in relationships and important to economies; Money.

One simple fact is that if we had no marriage (which is often the only point where the courts can determine the above-mentioned invisible line - where the fun transitioned into responsibility and accountability); then our economy would suffer.

From my earlier posts in this thread I stated that, usually, women drive and/or expect men to provide in order that they can achieve their maternal goals.

Well, even if the guys provide, it is usually the women that spend.

As such it is no accident that economic indicators use supermarket and other commercial outlet spending as an economic health benchmark.

There are very few things we can do in life that are as dangerous as falling in love.

As no matter how many centuries behind us there are of signposts and events to warn us, our egos and interests in the flesh ultimately drive us to think the risks are worth it, and they sometimes are.

Even the quintessential inamorata or Cassanova George Clooney has recently succumbed, and that boy knows how to score and land.

So what can we do about it?

Not much FGP, just enjoy the free ride whilst it lasts; because it doesn't last as long as it seems it will, and remembering the days that you had sex all night just for the sake of it will help you through the days and nights when you get none but are expected to work and hand over the earnings.

Peace.

Nice advice with plenty of matter of fact humor. Hehehe! Funny as heck, But as a true, as a clear sky is blue. Great writing. Holla!

stormcentre says:

Nice advice with plenty of matter of fact humor. Hehehe! Funny as heck, But as a true, as a clear sky is blue. Great writing. Holla!


Thanks RG.

And the complications don't end there either, as I have a daughter.

All I can do is try and keep her away from guys like I was when I was younger.



Perhaps the ELA will come in handy there too!!!

flackoguapo says:

@StrormC- amazing post. Lmao. That was 1000% real and I appreciate that. You got what I was trying to say in that a lot of men want a naughty hottie to do anything and everything for them(no waiting) but then expect them to be mother Teresa anytime they're not around.

Last semester, I had a roommate from Saudi Arabia for a few months and he was telling me that guys that are married out there are the ones that younger ones look up to because they're the ones "gettin' some" And I thought that was crazy because out here it always seems to be the married guys letting the single guys know how nice they have it by not being married and what not.

I agree, falling in love is a dangerous/beautiful thing and it makes sense to chose your moves wisely. No one wants to live that unstable,dysfunctional constant heartbreak type life. But if you get it right it can be the complete opposite and the best thing you ever done. I have hopes I can make the right move. Thanks for kickin serious game and knowledge, bro.

brownsugar says:

Maybe we should create a romance and relationship section ....lol...and I sincerely mean that since this post has gained such traction...thanks to Floyd and in no small part to Storm.

I think Floyds' problem from a relationship standpoint is due to the fact that he's so wealthy, he can choose women the way other men choose socks.

Physically .....all of Floyds women are nearly identical. Light skinned,straight hair, fine features, docile and good listeners ... In fact I can guarantee you Floyd does 75% of the talking, preaching, indoctrinating and lecturing. And you'd better believe these women laugh at everyone of his jokes.

The problem comes in when he discovers his girlfriend actually has a mind of her own along with independent goals that may not fit into Floyd's idealic vision of a relationship.

men ....especially wealthy men who select their women based primarily on visual parameters rarely even know who theses women really are until they get comfortable enough to be themselves.

Doesn't it seem odd that Ms Jackson rented a storage facility to stockpile the gifts she received during her relationship with Floyd? Ms Jackson was Floyds trophy while Ms Jacksons trophies were the precious gemstones and extravagant gifts she stored under lock and key.

Everybody got what they wanted.

A mutually beneficial relationship until someone spoils the illusion by believing it was real.

I once dated a woman who was sexually abused in foster homes from the age of 3.
I will say that despite the unfortunate nature of her upbringing in the New York foster home system, she had a good heart but her sense of modesty was irrevocably broken and her sense of morality was skewed past the point of repair. At least immediate repairs.

We got into a big argument because I told her that her now deceased foster father was a wicked wretch for what he had done to her and deserved to have been put in prison.
She defended him as though he was the pope and I realised it was time to move on.

She later came back and told me I was right and I encouraged her to get some healing before trying another relationship..... Don't know what became of her.

Everybody seeks what they think is the greater good ....regardless of how distorted that vision may be. Ask any junky , career criminal, or minister.

stormcentre says:

@BSugar-Thank you!

@StrormC- amazing post. Lmao. That was 1000% real and I appreciate that. You got what I was trying to say in that a lot of men want a naughty hottie to do anything and everything for them(no waiting) but then expect them to be mother Teresa anytime they're not around.

Last semester, I had a roommate from Saudi Arabia for a few months and he was telling me that guys that are married out there are the ones that younger ones look up to because they're the ones "gettin' some" And I thought that was crazy because out here it always seems to be the married guys letting the single guys know how nice they have it by not being married and what not.

I agree, falling in love is a dangerous/beautiful thing and it makes sense to chose your moves wisely. No one wants to live that unstable,dysfunctional constant heartbreak type life. But if you get it right it can be the complete opposite and the best thing you ever done. I have hopes I can make the right move. Thanks for kickin serious game and knowledge, bro.


Thanks FGP.

Funny stuff indeed - isn't it?

I had a little chuckle writing it.

I used to do OK as a lad. I remember one time when I had this girly (true story) that won several beach/bikini contests; sneaking removing her fly-screen and out of her bedroom (house across the road), across the road, and into my room.

For a while there, it happened almost every night, and as a result I would (exhausted from work and training) often get woken up by her “presence”.

It was that good.

My friends hated me, as this chick was size 6 or maybe 7, and as hot as they get.

She was a regular in surf magazines, and she also modeled lingerie.

Often bedroom antics had not completed when the sun came up, and recalling the experience I still remember how it was a mixture of euphoria and disbelief that it was all happening with someone like her.

“Landing” a truly stunning women can be a sensationally positive experience for both your ego and
self-assurance; not to mention your libido.

I remember going to work, day after day, week after week, utterly shattered; from you know what and the lack of sleep.

One day at work a rather knowledgeable colleague said to me . . . “as pussy struck as you are – be careful my friend”.

Feeling like my life was where it should be and as if I were in control, thanked him for the comment and “said it’s all good”; trying to provide the impression he was not correct in reading why I was tired.

No-one likes to be easily read.

The following week I saw him again and he told me to enjoy it now whilst it lasts, and he finished off – rather confidently – with a remark similar to “women will not always make you this happy”.

He was someone that was respected in the community and his confidence really struck a chord with me – obviously as I have still never forgot it.

That lunch time we all sat down and tried to talk a little about what his message was.

With me being in the situation I was in, it was virtually impossible for me to see how all this bliss I was experiencing (I had almost total control, but was not abusing it; more enjoying it) could transform into anything remotely like something that would justify his tone and remarks.

Still, he was hauntingly confident with his comments.

Did he know something I didn’t I kept asking myself.

Within a few months “Marie” started to wear exceedingly revealing clothes when we went out (almost always pubs and clubs then), which in turn drew more attention that ultimately led to fights on my part; but never before warnings were issued.

Then came mind games and inconsistencies.

Then came the need to “find myself” that, seemingly, only overseas travel and consistent attention would quench.

And on it went.

As her overseas departure approached, so did the mind fu%k that came with it and all the ploys to make me jealous.

Things got to the point where the only thing I knew was she was not happy unless I was distressed, and of course I was unsure whether I would ever have a girlfriend that was this stunning and complaint ever again.

My ego was sending me alarm signals on a basis that was much more frequent than I had ever had before (I was only a teenager).

I went from being high on life, sex and love – to the absolute opposite of all of those feelings.

It was terrible and it almost impacted my training.

I then called the relationship off; which – frighteningly - meant no sex.

Up until that point I had been torturing myself with all the mind games, for both that reward and knowledge that – despite how easy it would be for her to do so - there was no-one to replace me.

This touches on one of the most difficult aspects of relationship breakdowns for guys to accept; that when it comes to that commodity that controls us that women have authority over; they have far less recovery and work to do in order to replace us.

I stuck to my guns, didn’t go back and never saw her again for years.

8 years passed and I heard “Marie” was back in town.

One night I went around – unannounced and uninvited – to see her.

I don’t know why.

When I got there she was distressed and both recently single and recently a mother.

She had no washing machine and hardly any essentials.

It was hard to think that her attitude had nothing to do with where she was.

Her figure was still there, but the overall aesthetics were worn, tired and not the same.

She cried and told me that she was stupid to treat me the way she had, all those years ago.

She had written many letters to me when she was overseas, and I largely ignored them all and got on with boxing.

The sport is good for blocking things out and venting frustration.

I didn’t expect that from this revisit with “Marie” – but now I had moved on and was sure the thinking she seemed to (still) possess was not what I wanted.

The tables were turned.

Like something from a novel, I left that night as it poured rain down and thundered loudly; I was soaked by the time I ran from her door to my car.

It was both a very difficult and satisfying lesson to learn.

The pain and heartache I had suffered when we finally split, at the time, seemed immense and never ending. It was on the inside, so there was nothing I could do about it.

I had long recovered and moved on before seeing her again, but now that I had revisited her I had a chance to see full circle what can happen and where some mindsets (particularly those in constant need of attention) take people.

Little did I know that later in life there would be even greater (relationship and other) challenges that would make me laugh at how easy dealing with “Marie” and her ways, really were.

Marie, for a long time, as she raised her child, suffered the humility of being an unwanted (for her, now changed, and long-term interests) single mother in the same town she quite literally – as far as men went anyway – ruled and had her pick; many years ago when we were an item and when she was younger and utterly irresistible.

To add to the anguish, the father of her child – whether right or wrong - was seemingly not impressed with her, shall we say, confidence within the relationship, and as a result it economically and psychologically showed.

I didn’t know it at the time, but up until me “Marie” had always left her causalities on the road, as she moved forward to the next good thing; never taking stock of the part she played in relationship breakdowns and broken hearts.

However, now, the embarrassment and feelings of being outsmarted by the father of her child was evident in everything she did; now she was back where she started without everything she surely must have thought was coming her way in life.

Along with how evident that was, so too was the unmistakable fact that she had finally learned how wrong it was to rely on appearance alone and disregard the impact of her actions in equal proportions to shame and empathy.

Such is life, you live and you learn.

The lessons are not always easy.

But, ever since we crawled out of caves, evolved, stood up straight, raised our hands off the ground, started trading items and developed both a currency and economy; there has been a price for love and opening the doors of both the Labium Minus and Majus.

Furthermore, anyone that doesn’t know it is, or pretends it’s not; is not only less (intellectually) endowed than their female partner – but less likely than their counterparts to fertilize the best free range eggs in the business.

stormcentre says:

Maybe we should create a romance and relationship section ....lol...and I sincerely mean that since this post has gained such traction...thanks to Floyd and in no small part to Storm.

I think Floyds' problem from a relationship standpoint is due to the fact that he's so wealthy, he can choose women the way other men choose socks.

Physically .....all of Floyds women are nearly identical. Light skinned,straight hair, fine features, docile and good listeners ... In fact I can guarantee you Floyd does 75% of the talking, preaching, indoctrinating and lecturing. And you'd better believe these women laugh at everyone of his jokes.

The problem comes in when he discovers his girlfriend actually has a mind of her own along with independent goals that may not fit into Floyd's idealic vision of a relationship.

men ....especially wealthy men who select their women based primarily on visual parameters rarely even know who theses women really are until they get comfortable enough to be themselves.

Doesn't it seem odd that Ms Jackson rented a storage facility to stockpile the gifts she received during her relationship with Floyd? Ms Jackson was Floyds trophy while Ms Jacksons trophies were the precious gemstones and extravagant gifts she stored under lock and key.

Everybody got what they wanted.

A mutually beneficial relationship until someone spoils the illusion by believing it was real.



True, true, true.

amayseng says:

I understand the point, but my complaint was not that I am trying to bed as many women I can and yet complaining I can't find a good, wholesome girl with morals who does not sleep around.


My complaint is about how women have lost their own morals and values and intention of wanting to be a partner or a fulfilling wife in life and now instead views themselves as a celebrity with an orbiting fanclub of men circling them like fools while feeding them attention, that they thrive off of.

It is quite disturbing and insulting to our mothers and grandmothers before them.

The quality woman is no longer out there.

stormcentre says:

I understand the point, but my complaint was not that I am trying to bed as many women I can and yet complaining I can't find a good, wholesome girl with morals who does not sleep around.


My complaint is about how women have lost their own morals and values and intention of wanting to be a partner or a fulfilling wife in life and now instead views themselves as a celebrity with an orbiting fanclub of men circling them like fools while feeding them attention, that they thrive off of.

It is quite disturbing and insulting to our mothers and grandmothers before them.

The quality woman is no longer out there.


Fear not, we're talking about that too.

I agree with you.

It's really tricky.

Short of a church or small country town full of nubile lasses that are not only worth the drive - but concerned about morales and principles; I have no answer for you about where to find the ideal lady.

And, in part ,that's because look at what we're up against . . .

Commercial and public media. Hollywood. Lady Gaga. . . . and on it goes.

Nothing is guaranteed.

Unfortunately.

Love is a battlefield.

deepwater2 says:

I'm 40 and just got married to a beautiful young wife last year after dating for a few years. I thank heaven every day I got the best girl. Be patient .I never thought I would get married because hanging out with girls was so easy. At one point I was hanging out with Hollywood party girls and dating girls from all over the place.It's only easier these days to have girlfriends but a wife seems next to impossible to find these days.

I could write a book about dating girls ,it's easy, it's all superficial. Put on a nice sports jacket ,go to a high end hotel bar or steakhouse and look a girl in her eye,hold out your hand and introduce yourself using you full name. Have a joke ready,talk about a current event and your 50% there.


When the insecure gold digger type asks what you do right off the bat,tell her ,you do many things well and if she wants to know what job you have then she should call your secretary in the morning because your there this evening to relax and unwind and have some fun. It works even if your unemployed.

I encourage all young men to get out there and play the field and watch out for land mines ,if a girl is constantly on the phone with someone else while she is with you ,go to the restroom and don't go back. Never get a girl pregnant who is not your wife. Never screw the girlfriend's best friend because it's not worth it and girls will get vindictive and lie and get you in big trouble.

When you meet someone who might be wife material, relax, be yourself,have fun and if it's meant to be,you'll know it.

If a girl can sit with you and she likes watching the fights it's a good sign.

stormcentre says:

I'm 40 and just got married to a beautiful young wife last year after dating for a few years. I thank heaven every day I got the best girl. Be patient .I never thought I would get married because hanging out with girls was so easy. At one point I was hanging out with Hollywood party girls and dating girls from all over the place.It's only easier these days to have girlfriends but a wife seems next to impossible to find these days.

I could write a book about dating girls ,it's easy, it's all superficial. Put on a nice sports jacket ,go to a high end hotel bar or steakhouse and look a girl in her eye,hold out your hand and introduce yourself using you full name. Have a joke ready,talk about a current event and your 50% there.


When the insecure gold digger type asks what you do right off the bat,tell her ,you do many things well and if she wants to know what job you have then she should call your secretary in the morning because your there this evening to relax and unwind and have some fun. It works even if your unemployed.

I encourage all young men to get out there and play the field and watch out for land mines ,if a girl is constantly on the phone with someone else while she is with you ,go to the restroom and don't go back. Never get a girl pregnant who is not your wife. Never screw the girlfriend's best friend because it's not worth it and girls will get vindictive and lie and get you in big trouble.

When you meet someone who might be wife material, relax, be yourself,have fun and if it's meant to be,you'll know it.

If a girl can sit with you and she likes watching the fights it's a good sign.


Can't argue with that.

Have we met?

You have similar moves to me, when I was out on the scene.

stormcentre says:

Oh, forgot to say . . . used to have a friend that looked like he could be my brother that I used to go out with; his surname was “Ericsson”.

Man, the fun he/we used to have when out at paces the girlies used to frequent.

He would say his grandfather was “The Ericsson” as in the Swedish/Nordic phone company, and if they pressed the issue and were in doubt he’d just show them some ID with his surname on it – then introduce me as his brother or cousin for backup.

If the score was bountiful ,worthwhile, and serious, of course I would then “assist”.

Aside from how loose the stories got; the problem was always why these women couldn’t get Mr. Ericsson on the phone the week afterwards, when he his family was in the telecommunication business.

The stories and tricks that went down.

Froggy says:

I am pretty new here but I am quite sure there is at least one woman who makes comments here ! I would love to hear what she/they think about the subject !

stormcentre says:

I am pretty new here but I am quite sure there is at least one woman who makes comments here ! I would love to hear what she/they think about the subject !


Me too.

brownsugar says:

Gotta keep this post alive... Maybe charge admission.

stormcentre says:

Well?

Is someone going to private mail Denise Alvarez and get her to read this thread and tell is that we're a bunch of losers without a clue?

stormcentre says:

Well?

Is someone going to private mail Denise Alvarez and get her to read this thread and tell is that we're a bunch of losers without a clue?

The Shadow says:

Well?

Is someone going to private mail Denise Alvarez and get her to read this thread and tell is that we're a bunch of losers without a clue?


I was thinking that too Storm, Denise should be able to offer some sort of insight?!

stormcentre says:

Where is she?

Haven't seen a post from her for a while.

Hope we haven't scared her off.

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