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Sounds Like Rigo Could Be Joining Frank Warren Stable

BY Michael Woods ON August 27, 2014
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Manager Gary Hyde has been working his tail off, jetting here and there, and working the phones, and annoying the missus with excessive emailing, as he tries to find a promotional home for his supremely talented Cuban pugilistic professor, pound for pound number two in the world, arguably, Guillermo Rigondeaux (14-0, with 9 KOs; age 33).

After negotiations with Roc Nations Sports hit a snag, the snag being, according to the Irish dealmaker and facilitator Hyde, an impasse in terms of co-promotion between Roc and the team at Caribe Promotions, Hyde moved to Plan B. He reached out to the Brit dealmaker with heavy creds and decades of experience tucked into his trousers, Frank Warren.

"Frank Warren has made a substantially stronger offer than Roc Nation," Hyde told me Wednesday, with an air of optimism regarding the possibilities for the super bantam champ. "He will deliver three fights a year and will take Caribe into consideration by paying a percentage of Rigo's purse. He is a Hall of Fame promoter, and it would be a great move to sign with him." Caribe has promoted Rigo, and also co-promoted him, with Top Rank, for the last couple years. Top Rank and Team Rigo agreed to part ways after his last outing, a win over Sod Kokietgym in Macau July 19.

Hyde and the Warren crew chatted in Portugal, on Monday. Meanwhile, Rigo was chilling in Miami, and hanging with Brit ace Amir Khan. May we presume they compared notes on the merits of this promoter and that one, and maybe Rigo got the crack on Warren from Khan? (Khan was with Warren until 2010, when he parted ways to hop on to the Golden Boy bus.)

So, anyway, Mr. Hyde, is it a done deal, a near-done deal, or something else?

"Frank has agreed to accommodate Caribe," Hyde said. "Let's hope they accept."

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The Shadow says:

I have to preface this by saying this is strictly my opinion based on the available information. I don't have any inside information indicating any foul activity either way.

That disclaimer aside, Caribe Promotions is nothing but a bunch of extortionist human smugglers!

They're **** blocking Rigo from greatness out of greed, which is fair enough, I guess, but you already made your money back and then some.

Let the dude become a star. Seems like they want to keep him a slave, Kunta'ing the boy all over the place. These bastards probably call him Toby in private.

Not feeling them at all. He has to resort to signing with Frank Warren?! That washed up, bitter promoter everyone can't seem to want to leave fast enough?!

It's business though, if he can get three fights, it's cool. But when you have Zordon out in Cali ready to get it poppin', those human smugglers just need to get out of the way.

oubobcat says:

I have to preface this by saying this is strictly my opinion based on the available information. I don't have any inside information indicating any foul activity either way.

That disclaimer aside, Caribe Promotions is nothing but a bunch of extortionist human smugglers!

They're **** blocking Rigo from greatness out of greed, which is fair enough, I guess, but you already made your money back and then some.

Let the dude become a star. Seems like they want to keep him a slave, Kunta'ing the boy all over the place. These bastards probably call him Toby in private.

Not feeling them at all. He has to resort to signing with Frank Warren?! That washed up, bitter promoter everyone can't seem to want to leave fast enough?!

It's business though, if he can get three fights, it's cool. But when you have Zordon out in Cali ready to get it poppin', those human smugglers just need to get out of the way.


I read this story and have been trying to make sense of why Rigo would sign with Warren. I was telling myself there has to be some logical sense. But as of it I have not found any. A match between Warren and Rigo makes absolutely no sense and will do nothing for Rigo's career. I still could be missing something but this is one that's hard to figure out at the moment.

brownsugar says:

Rigo has strong ties in Europe... He is as European as he is American ( in a sense).. Plus it may make it easier for Rigo to corner Framton or Quigg.
In addition to this Fifty cent probably soured Rigo against any "Rapper/Promoter" by his mishandling of Gambia.

deepwater2 says:

I read this story and have been trying to make sense of why Rigo would sign with Warren. I was telling myself there has to be some logical sense. But as of it I have not found any. A match between Warren and Rigo makes absolutely no sense and will do nothing for Rigo's career. I still could be missing something but this is one that's hard to figure out at the moment.


Could it be a negotiation tactic to try and make Roc Nation up the ante or sweeten the contract?

Does Warren have options on Kiko Martinez, Frampton, or Selby? What is the angle?

Radam G says:

I have to preface this by saying this is strictly my opinion based on the available information. I don't have any inside information indicating any foul activity either way.

That disclaimer aside, Caribe Promotions is nothing but a bunch of extortionist human smugglers!

They're **** blocking Rigo from greatness out of greed, which is fair enough, I guess, but you already made your money back and then some.

Let the dude become a star. Seems like they want to keep him a slave, Kunta'ing the boy all over the place. These bastards probably call him Toby in private.

Not feeling them at all. He has to resort to signing with Frank Warren?! That washed up, bitter promoter everyone can't seem to want to leave fast enough?!

It's business though, if he can get three fights, it's cool. But when you have Zordon out in Cali ready to get it poppin', those human smugglers just need to get out of the way.


Hehehehe! Danggit! You are coming hard with it, The Shadow. OMFG!

If they call him Toby in private, they might drug him and cut off his foot. And on blame it on him being drunk and swimming in a pool of sharks.Holla!

deepwater2 says:

Add this to the mix.

The WBO has ordered Rigo to defend his WBO title against #1 Chris Avalos, who happens to be promoted by Top Rank.

If Rigo doesn't fight for another belt and unify then Rigo vs Avalos will have to go to purse bid.

Golden Boy, Top Rank, Warren, and Roc nation are going to be bidding it seems.

deepwater2 says:

Add this to the mix.

The WBO has ordered Rigo to defend his WBO title against #1 Chris Avalos, who happens to be promoted by Top Rank.

If Rigo doesn't fight for another belt and unify then Rigo vs Avalos will have to go to purse bid.

Golden Boy, Top Rank, Warren, and Roc nation are going to be bidding it seems.


Yup its official. Wouldn't it be funny if Top Rank wins the bid and promotes Rigo for the fight. The more things change the more they stay the same.

Carmine Cas says:

Golden Boy should sign him to fight Santacruz

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

Golden Boy should sign him to fight Santacruz


Rigo would ruin Santa Cruz like he did Donaire. Golden Boy will never allow that fight to take place anytime in the near future. Wishful thinking Carmine Cas!

brownsugar says:

Santa Cruz wants the fight. He's ready and eager to willing to glove up with one of the greatest boxers ever to join the pro ranks.
I think Rigo out points him and could possibly win by too.
However I don't believe Cruz would be traumatized by the loss.
Getting out boxed isn't the same as being brutalized by a George Foreman style beatdowm.
I think it would be a very entertaining fight.

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

Santa Cruz wants the fight. He's ready and eager to willing to glove up with one of the greatest boxers ever to join the pro ranks.
I think Rigo out points him and could possibly win by too.
However I don't believe Cruz would be traumatized by the loss.
Getting out boxed isn't the same as being brutalized by a George Foreman style beatdowm.
I think it would be a very entertaining fight.



I understand where you are coming from, but getting taken to school via unanimous decision can damage the psyche of undefeated young fighter. It doesn't have to be a George Foreman type physical beat down. Rigo took Donaire's fighting spirit in my opinion and he will never be the same. I think he would stop Santa Cruz via TKO because his style is made to order for him. Santa Cruz is a fighter and is supposed to want the fight, but his promotional outfit and management team know better. Santa Cruz is a community college student and Rigo is a Ivy League professor. The youngster would ruin his permanent transcript by failing professor Rigo's course entitled Cuban Boxing 101.

The Shadow says:

I understand where you are coming from, but getting taken to school via unanimous decision can damage the psyche of undefeated young fighter. It doesn't have to be a George Foreman type physical beat down. Rigo took Donaire's fighting spirit in my opinion and he will never be the same. I think he would stop Santa Cruz via TKO because his style is made to order for him. Santa Cruz is a fighter and is supposed to want the fight, but his promotional outfit and management team know better. Santa Cruz is a community college student and Rigo is a Ivy League professor. The youngster would ruin his permanent transcript by failing professor Rigo's course entitled Cuban Boxing 101.


I completely agree.

Suge, unless you get knocked unconscious, a stoppage loss in and of itself isn't as damaging mentally.

Especially against someone like Big George or GGG. You get caught or overwhelmed, it happens. Easy to rationalize without ruining the necessary self delusions.

(Roy Jones was an exception; it was bad because it ruined Roy's entire self-image, a self image built around 35+ years of constant reinforcement as well as a steadfast belief that he was the GOAT/demigod (seriously).)

The guys whose psyches are ruined are the ones who get outclassed, humiliated and disarmed -- basically conquered mentally, physically and spiritually.

And as you point out, the most susceptible ones are the undefeated ones because they have not yet had their bubbles burst.

They have yet to discover that they've been lied to their whole lives.

The most dangerous ones are the borderline evil scientists who will rape your minds with no regard for your future or mental health: Floyd Mayweather. Andre Ward. Bernard Hopkins. Guillermo Rigondeaux.

These guys are evil. There's no other word for it, really. Just evil. (Especially Ward's in-ring persona is that of a homicidal psychopath; just look at his eyes in this face-off thing he did with Chad Dawson. He kinda looks like mob hitman Richard Kuklinski.)

They want to rob their opponents of their will, their manhood and all self belief.

And they often succeed.

Which is especially crucial to a guy like the ultra fit Santa Cruz, a undefeated guy with awesome firepower in the form of volume punching.

He looks at Rigo and his opponents, thinks to himself, "these putos aren't punching. I'll overwhelm him with my 100+ punches per round."

But what will happen once he realizes he won't even be able to get 50 shots off, let alone 40 or 30? What will happen to him mentally once he realizes he will get nailed with a 2x4 every time he opens up, once he realizes he's been disarmed?

"To disarm somebody, it's so deep that people don't even get it. People don't even understand it," Paulie Malignaggi said in an interview earlier this year. "I mean, to disarm somebody is more difficult to do though, especially when they have all that offensive firepower. You disarm them; you take the bullets out of all their guns, they got nothing left, bro. They're shooting blanks."

That feeling sucks.

Top Rank single-handedly ruined Nonito Donaire - who was essentially undefeated - by letting him in with Willie Rigo Ortiz.

They should have known better.

Rigo kept telling anyone who would listen that he would take his soul. That power wasn't going to be enough to defeat someone with damn near 500 fights.

Yet, in the buildup, everyone tried to focus on a) Rigo's alleged bad chin and b) Donaire's explosive power.

Look into the dude's eyes for Christ's sake! No expression. He's like a mercenary. He just wants your soul, your will.

It's the metaphorical equivalent of those African warriors who would eat someone's heart and gain their foe's strength.

(I'm shocked promoters haven't learned this by now. Win or lose, Main Events is leading their golden lamb Sergey Kovalev to slaughter. You don't escape Hopkins unscathed, without paying some sort of price.)

Another example. Like Jim Lampley said during one PPV telecast, fighting Floyd Mayweather is a cold dose of reality. Once Ricky Hatton discovered this, Hatton caught a full blown depression, turning to the bottle and the coke in the process.

Malignaggi explains, "Disarming somebody takes talent, it takes technique, and is such a big weapon to have to know how to disarm and disengage a guy's offense. It's like one of those guys that sniffs the bombs; the bomb-sniffing dogs and they have the people who cut the wires and they detonate the bombs. They take the explosiveness out of them.

"That's why Mayweather is so good. On top of all the great things he does, he disarms you. While you're trying to take the guy's head off, you're going to be disarmed. And what happens when you're disarmed? You're up **** creek without a paddle, bro."

Hatton said he was frustrated that no matter what he was trying, nothing worked. Even what he thought was his advantages turned out to favor Floyd.

“I was disappointed because I wasn’t there just to be involved," he said. "They were fights I thought I could win. When I didn’t it was very hard for me to come to terms with."

Executioner Hopkins has a long list of bodies on his conscience. During the fight, it doesn't look like the whooping is that severe. But the physical beating is nothing compared to the long-lasting effects of the defeat.

After he schools a guy, you can see it in their eyes how hard it is for them to cope with what just happened. They never again recover.

Kelly Pavlik turned to the bottle. Jermaine Taylor got it so bad he had to shoot his cousin so he wasn't the only one shot in the family. Antonio Tarver. The list goes on.

It's the same with the aforementioned guys. Look at their opponents' expressions after the fights. They stand dejected, reduced to mere vestiges of what they were only an hour prior.

All that considered, even if Santa Cruz is sturdy and sound mentally, you don't want to risk ruining the guy forever.

He may not knock you out. He may not hit you as much as the other guys. But best believe, Guillermo Rigondeaux is one of the few guys in boxing you do not want to play with.

thegreyman says:

Deep man

The Commish says:

I completely agree.

Suge, unless you get knocked unconscious, a stoppage loss in and of itself isn't as damaging mentally.

Especially against someone like Big George or GGG. You get caught or overwhelmed, it happens. Easy to rationalize without ruining the necessary self delusions.

(Roy Jones was an exception; it was bad because it ruined Roy's entire self-image, a self image built around 35+ years of constant reinforcement as well as a steadfast belief that he was the GOAT/demigod (seriously).)

The guys whose psyches are ruined are the ones who get outclassed, humiliated and disarmed -- basically conquered mentally, physically and spiritually.

And as SRD points out, the most susceptible ones are the undefeated ones because they have not yet had their bubbles burst.

They have yet to discover that they've been lied to their whole lives.

The most dangerous ones are the borderline evil scientists who will rape your minds with no regard for your future or mental health: Floyd Mayweather. Andre Ward. Bernard Hopkins. Guillermo Rigondeaux.

These guys are evil. There's no other word for it, really. Just evil. (Especially Ward's in-ring persona is that of a homicidal psychopath; just look at his eyes in this face-off thing he did with Chad Dawson. He kinda looks like mob hitman Richard Kuklinski.)

They want to rob their opponents of their will, their manhood and all self belief.

And they often succeed.

Which is especially crucial to a guy like the ultra fit Santa Cruz, a undefeated guy with awesome firepower in the form of volume punching.

He looks at Rigo and his opponents, thinks to himself, "these putos aren't punching. I'll overwhelm him with my 100+ punches per round."

But what will happen once he realizes he won't even be able to get 50 shots off, let alone 40 or 30? What will happen to him mentally once he realizes he will get nailed with a 2x4 every time he opens up, once he realizes he's been disarmed?

"To disarm somebody, it's so deep that people don't even get it. People don't even understand it," Paulie Malignaggi said in an interview earlier this year. "I mean, to disarm somebody is more difficult to do though, especially when they have all that offensive firepower. You disarm them; you take the bullets out of all their guns, they got nothing left, bro. They're shooting blanks."

That feeling sucks.

Top Rank single-handedly ruined Nonito Donaire - who was essentially undefeated - by letting him in with Willie Rigo Ortiz.

They should have known better.

Rigo kept telling anyone who would listen that he would take his soul. That power wasn't going to be enough to defeat someone with damn near 500 fights.

Yet, in the buildup, everyone tried to focus on a) Rigo's alleged bad chin and b) Donaire's explosive power.

Look into the dude's eyes for Christ's sake! No expression. He's like a mercenary. He just wants your soul, your will.

It's the metaphorical equivalent of those African warriors who would eat someone's heart and gain their foe's strength.

(I'm shocked promoters haven't learned this by now. Win or lose, Main Events is leading their golden lamb Sergey Kovalev to slaughter. You don't escape Hopkins unscathed, without paying some sort of price.)

Another example. Like Jim Lampley said during one PPV telecast, fighting Floyd Mayweather is a cold dose of reality. Once Ricky Hatton discovered this, Hatton caught a full blown depression, turning to the bottle and the coke in the process.

Malignaggi explains, "Disarming somebody takes talent, it takes technique, and is such a big weapon to have to know how to disarm and disengage a guy's offense. It's like one of those guys that sniffs the bombs; the bomb-sniffing dogs and they have the people who cut the wires and they detonate the bombs. They take the explosiveness out of them.

"That's why Mayweather is so good. On top of all the great things he does, he disarms you. While you're trying to take the guy's head off, you're going to be disarmed. And what happens when you're disarmed? You're up **** creek without a paddle, bro."

Hatton said he was frustrated that no matter what he was trying, nothing worked. Even what he thought was his advantages turned out to favor Floyd.

“I was disappointed because I wasn’t there just to be involved," he said. "They were fights I thought I could win. When I didn’t it was very hard for me to come to terms with."

Executioner Hopkins has a long list of bodies on his conscience. During the fight, it doesn't look like the whooping is that severe. But the physical beating is nothing compared to the long-lasting effects of the defeat.

After he schools a guy, you can see it in their eyes how hard it is for them to cope with what just happened. They never again recover.

Kelly Pavlik turned to the bottle. Jermaine Taylor got it so bad he had to shoot his cousin so he wasn't the only one shot in the family. Antonio Tarver. The list goes on.

It's the same with the aforementioned guys. Look at their opponents' expressions after the fights. They stand dejected, reduced to mere vestiges of what they were only an hour prior.

All that considered, even if Santa Cruz is sturdy and sound mentally, you don't want to risk ruining the guy forever.

He may not knock you out. He may not hit you as much as the other guys. But best believe, Guillermo Rigondeaux is one of the few guys in boxing you do not want to play with.


Great stuff and so true. This is going to be one of our topics tonight on the show. I will lead you right into it and you'll take it from there.

I still don't get the upcoming marriage to Frank Warren, and I sure as heck don't get why the negotiations with Roc Nation

fell apart, unless Gary Hyde was asking figures which just couldn't be reached.

It is indeed interesting that Chris Avalos is scheduled to be next for Rigo, and that Top Rank has promotional rights to Avalos. It will not surprise me to see this go to a purse bid with Top Rank's Carl Moretti delivering the winning bid for Marsa Bob--a bid which will bring Toby, er, Rigo, back into the Top Rank fold.

Ah, the business of boxing.

It can make ya' looney even without getting hit!

-Randy G.

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