Arum Hoping He Can Make Chavez Jr-Froch Bout

BY Michael Woods ON June 05, 2014
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Stubborn man, that Bob Arum. Mostly in a good way, from a business perspective.

I spoke to the Brooklyn born dealmaker at Madison Square Garden on Wednesday, and he told me he isn't giving up on Julio Cesar Chavez Jr, and is not assuming by any means that Junior wants out, wants to jump to a ship where he thinks the captain could get him more gold.

Arum thought he offered Junior a sweet deal and big money for a couple fights, and then just a bout against Gennady Golovkin. Junior and advisor Billy King didn't agree. But Arum is still pecking away.

A Golovkin bout isn't in the mix now, but, he said the fans would love a face off between the son of the Mexican legend and Brit Carl Froch. "If I can get Junior to meet with me, with his father, I am sure I can work out a deal. Froch wants to fight Chavez, there is no reason we cannot put it together for September or October."

Arum called this Billy King "Mr Buttinsky," and dismissed him as someone who doesn't manage anybody, as being out only for himself.

"Why won't Junior listen to his father, who has been thru this?" Arum is hopeful, why says, that Junior may be seeing the light. Arum said if Junior would prefer to meet Golovkin before Froch, he is open to that route.

Readers, what direction do you believe Junior heads next?

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deepwater2 says:

A good direction is any direction away from Al Haymon . Froch in Wembley or Vegas would be huge. GGG would be big in Vegas or MSG. Either way both fights are money making fights for everyone involved. Lets see how GGG wins this summer, he might get the chatter going if he has an exciting knockout. GGG is younger and harder to figure out for Chavez. Froch is one tough SOB but might be a bit easier to figure out. Where in the world is Andre Ward?

thegreyman says:

Froch Chavez in Las Vegas seems the most desirable move for the Cobra at the moment, we'll see what Mr Eddie Hearn and Matchroom promotions can do to make it happen. I fancy Froch in that match-up though, I'll say it now.
As for Chavez' ambitions, I'm sure he'd rather take Froch than GGG- Froch has two belts and is a damn site older than Golovkin- he's a much simpler route to becoming world champion, and it would give Chavez great exposure if the fight was made in Vegas or Wembley.

The winner of Froch Chavez though, is surely next on the list for Golovkin- he needs to start fighting some bigger names.

Ideal outcome of this situation- Froch knocks out Chavez in Vegas, Golovkin comes to Wembley to face off against Froch for his last fight. The strongest chin against the hardest punch in front of 80'000 fans- what a fight!

brownsugar says:

Arum just said GGG will be Jr's next fight. Someone needs to get their press releases in order.

brownsugar says:

Arum just needs to make up his mind...either fight is fine personally I find GGG far more esthetically pleasing to watch. Froch is tough as nails but there's not a damn thing pretty about his style.

The Shadow says:

Now this is a fight. Make it happen. I have no desire to see GGG-Chavez. At all. Or Froch-DeGale.

Froch-Chavez is a barnburner. Guys with mammoth balls who want to fight technically but really can't and also can't help but fight till the death.

Mixed with spectacle of it all, I say do it. Shoot, it's the only fight. Everything else is posturing. This dude Eddie Hearn trying to be slick in the media talking about retirement to drive the price up...nobody is buying that.

But people will buy this fight. Make it happen!

The Shadow says:

Arum just needs to make up his mind...either fight is fine personally I find GGG far more esthetically pleasing to watch. Froch is tough as nails but there's not a damn thing pretty about his style.


Suge, this is what's going on.

Arum would prefer for Chavez to face and lose to GGG. Why? Because he's shrewd, that's why.

Right now, he has little leverage over Chavez. Junior has one fight left. Now, if they do Froch, he could live with it. But the best case scenario for him, from a business standpoint, is to use the Chavez leverage to set up a PPV with GGG.

Under this scenario, in exchange for everything Chavez brings commercially, Arum will receive three futures, options, call it what you wish -- basically rights to Golovkin, where he will then make a nice money off Golovkin as well as Chavez.

A Chavez defeat helps accomplish several things: one, it hurts Chavez' marketability if he leaves, and he can slander him coming off a defeat, as is his wont (remember Floyd, Donaire, Cotto etc.). And there will be plenty of material for him to use!

(Notice the deliberate wording by the premier lawyer: "Golovkin first, if he says no to Golovkin, then Froch." He repeated this. Guess what he will say once Chavez leaves? "He ducked Golovkin! He's not a real fighter. He's a pothead living off his dad's name! At least is father had honor! Junior's like the Spanish empire, a conquistador only interested in suking the money off the Mexican people. He's a disgrace to his country." You can already hear him saying those words. You know you can.)

Two, if Chavez stays put, Arum also knows they can easily downplay a Golovkin beating in the eyes of the public.

How? By talking up the invincible Golovkin, who he will be making money off of anyway for the next 1-2 years. "He's invincible. I don't see who can beat him," he'll say, knowing exactly what he's doing while the gullible public eats it up. "Mayweather won't fight him. Golovkin and Ward is a four-round fight. Ward won't fight him! I've seen them all and this kid has the skills and power of Tommy Hearns, who I promoted, and Marvin Hagler."

From there, Arum can set up a fight with Froch where Chavez will then have a weaker negotiation position.

Depending on that outcome, Golovkin then either gets a piece of Froch or JCC -- and Arum gets a piece of the action in both cases.

It's like a pyramid scheme in a way. LOL. It's smart business. But either way, he wins.

I'm not going to get into the exact figures now but trust me: Rob Arum will make millions off a Froch-JCC encounter, which he can live with. But he will make tens and tens of millions more if he can:

1) get Chavez beat by Golovkin, 2) land promotional rights to GGG, which he did under the last deal, 3) drive Chavez' asking price down coming off a defeat, and 4) lock him up for the future and repeat: do the exact same thing with Andre Ward.

That's why he won't deal with Chavez' manager Keane and tries to discredit his knowledgeability in the press. This lawyer knows his slander.

If Chavez is smart, he just goes directly to Froch and keeps the moolah to himself. That's the better fight anyway.

By anyway, that's the confusion, Sugar Man. Jockeying for position.

The Shadow says:

Arum just needs to make up his mind...either fight is fine personally I find GGG far more esthetically pleasing to watch. Froch is tough as nails but there's not a damn thing pretty about his style.


Suge, this is what's going on.

Arum would prefer for Chavez to face and lose to GGG. Why? Because he's shrewd, that's why.

Right now, he has little leverage over Chavez. Junior has one fight left. Now, if they do Froch, he could live with it. But the best case scenario for him, from a business standpoint, is to use the Chavez leverage to set up a PPV with GGG.

Under this scenario, in exchange for everything Chavez brings commercially, Arum will receive three futures, options, call it what you wish -- basically rights to Golovkin, where he will then make a nice money off Golovkin as well as Chavez.

A Chavez defeat helps accomplish several things: one, it hurts Chavez' marketability if he leaves, and he can slander him coming off a defeat, as is his wont (remember Floyd, Donaire, Cotto etc.). And there will be plenty of material for him to use!

(Notice the deliberate wording by the premier lawyer: "Golovkin first, if he says no to Golovkin, then Froch." He repeated this. Guess what he will say once Chavez leaves? "He ducked Golovkin! He's not a real fighter. He's a pothead living off his dad's name! At least is father had honor! Junior's like the Spanish empire, a conquistador only interested in suking the money off the Mexican people. He's a disgrace to his country." You can already hear him saying those words. You know you can.)

Two, if Chavez stays put, Arum also knows they can easily downplay a Golovkin beating in the eyes of the public.

How? By talking up the invincible Golovkin, who he will be making money off of anyway for the next 1-2 years. "He's invincible. I don't see who can beat him," he'll say, knowing exactly what he's doing while the gullible public eats it up. "Mayweather won't fight him. Golovkin and Ward is a four-round fight. Ward won't fight him! I've seen them all and this kid has the skills and power of Tommy Hearns, who I promoted, and Marvin Hagler."

From there, Arum can set up a fight with Froch where Chavez will then have a weaker negotiation position.

Depending on that outcome, Golovkin then either gets a piece of Froch or JCC -- and Arum gets a piece of the action in both cases.

It's like a pyramid scheme in a way. LOL. It's smart business. But either way, he wins.

I'm not going to get into the exact figures now but trust me: Rob Arum will make millions off a Froch-JCC encounter, which he can live with. But he will make tens and tens of millions more if he can:

1) get Chavez beat by Golovkin, 2) land promotional rights to GGG, which he did under the last deal, 3) drive Chavez' asking price down coming off a defeat, and 4) lock him up for the future and repeat: do the exact same thing with Andre Ward.

That's why he won't deal with Chavez' manager Keane and tries to discredit his knowledgeability in the press. This lawyer knows his slander.

If Chavez is smart, he just goes directly to Froch and keeps the moolah to himself. That's the better fight anyway.

By anyway, that's the confusion, Sugar Man. Jockeying for position.

brownsugar says:

Arum doesn't have such power over Froch ... Hearn wont allow it.

The Commish says:

Listen to this one. My spies in & aropund the Top Rank office, say Marsa Bob indeed wants to make Carl Froch v JCC Jr. But, get this: He wants to do it on September 13. Does that date ring a bell? Yep, it's the date $$$May will bless us with his next PPV performance against as-yet-to-be-named opponent.

Why September 13? Why the same day as a $$$May fight? I'm glad you asked. Well, there are a few facets here.

First and foremost, Marsa Bob likes $$$May twice as much as $$$May likes Marsa Bob. Two times zero is still zero. So, any time Marsa Bob can put a hurting on $$$May, he's glad to do so (remember two years ago...). Secondly, Marsa Bob loves (right now, anyway) HBO. In addition, Marsa Bob (right now, anyway) does not love Showtime. It is on Showtime PPV that $$$May fights.

Carl Froch just showed incredible drawing power against George Groves in London. Sixty thousand tickets sold in just hours. When more seats were added, another 20,000 sold. Those 80,000 fans--plus scores more across Europe and a large HBO audience in the USA--were treated to a special boxing event in Froch v Groves.

Marsa Bob now has to figure that if Froch v Groves could do those kind of numbers, so could Froch v JCC Jr. in Wembley Stadium.

How would that hurt $$$May?

It would hurt him and it would hurt Showtime because they are counting on PPV numbers over one million. Putting on a fight such as Froch v JCC Jr. the same night takes a lot of eyeballs away from $$$May v Whomever & from Showtime's PPV event.

It's a brilliant idea, simply brilliant.

Do you think it can be pulled off? Which show would you watch?

-Randy G.

The Shadow says:

Arum doesn't have such power over Froch ... Hearn wont allow it.


That's what I'm saying. Now, if he feeds the hungry lion Golovkin a big fat steak in Chavez, in return for his generosity, Robert Arum gets a nice little stake in Golovkin...

This way, once Golovkin tangos with Froch -- regardless of what Junior is up to -- good ol' Rob gets a piece of that promotion, too. So you can see how Chavez ties into a lot of things here.

deepwater2 says:

The only Floyd fight I would pay for is Floyd vs Manny . If its Maidana then I will do the same thing I did last time and skip it and watch it for free the next week.
I would definitely pay to see Froch Vs JCC. That is a proper fight. Never bet against Arum he always has something up his sleeve.

Skibbz says:

The only Floyd fight I would pay for is Floyd vs Manny . If its Maidana then I will do the same thing I did last time and skip it and watch it for free the next week.
I would definitely pay to see Froch Vs JCC. That is a proper fight. Never bet against Arum he always has something up his sleeve.


Exactly, he's wily and will find a way to get what he wants.

deepwater2 says:

Just took a stroll over to the Nevada State athletic Commission to see what is booked for Sept.

What does this mean for Floyd?


PRO Boxing Event
When
Saturday, Sep 13, 2014
Where
MGM Grand Garden Arena, 3799 Las Vegas Blvd S, Las Vegas - 702 891-1111 (map)
Description
Golden Boy Promotions will promote a professional boxing show at the MGM Grand Garden Arena to be televised on Showtime PPV.

The Commish says:

What does that mean for Floyd? That means $$$. September 13 means Showtime. I have a feeling the card is going to be bigger than we are thinking right now.

Let's make sure our calendars are clear for September 13.

-Randy G.

Skibbz says:

If it's big commissioner I may just have to hop the pond.. I trust Oscar's will to be a success will carry him and his company forward.

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