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Marquez Dominating,Then Dropped, But Finishes to Get UD12 Over Alvarado

BY Michael Woods ON May 17, 2014
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Mexican ultra-vet Juan Manuel Marquez met Mike Alvarado, in a 143 pounds or less scrap, which unfolded at the fabulous Forum on Saturday night, and on HBO.

In a faceoff of two men coming off losses, with a winner maybe getting a crack at a Pacquiao payday, it was all Marquez early, but then each man hit the deck, Alvie in the eighth, Marquez in the ninth, and a full-fledged rumble broke out. Marquez got buzzed badly in the 11th, but he stayed focused from then on, and made it to the cards. The judges had it for Marquez, by scores of 117-109, 117-109, 119-108.

Precision sniper Marquez went 278-627 to 178-510 for the loser.

Alvie lost to Ruslan Provodnikov in his last outing. Pre-fight, he said it hurt him to his heart. He admitted he was thinking past Provo in training, and did soul searching after the loss. The Coloradan admitted he has trouble around home, being distracted too easily, so he trained in CA. Marquez, pre-fight, said that he was pumped to be back in the building where he started. He lived with his parents then, and had a day job. Now, he has a big house and lots of cars. He came in off a loss, to Tim Bradley.

The 40-year-old JMM and the 33-year-old Alvie got to cracking in the first. Or rather, JMM did; Alvie wanted the Mexican to lead, not counter. Marquez' jab and right, which thudded a few times, gave him the round.

In round two, Alvie came out hurling more. Then he backed off, and JMM activated action a couple times.

In the third, Alvie took the advice of the corner, which told him to throw punches. Alvie switched stances, but Marquez didn't care, and blasted him a few times. The jab from JMM was crisp, good for a 30-something. Marquez was the busier man and our guy Harold Lederman saw it 3-0 after three. JMM timed Alvie, when he led and when he worked off an opening. The body shots looked sharp from JMM, and the crowd dug his combos in another round he won, the fourth. "I need you to get busy, hands up, move your head as you come in, the body shots and the uppercuts are there, maul him, bully him," said Alvie's cornerman after.

In the fifth, the left high and low looked hurtful from JMM. Marquez landed 48 tossed in that round.

In the sixth, Marquez backed up, landed, backed up, and the crowd was digging the effort from the older man. In the seventh, Marquez' legs looked fresh and he slid deftly. A right snapped Alvie's head, and he shook his head no. An Alvie right, with JMM on the ropes, was solid but that was too rare. His trainer asked Alvie to "beat this old man up."

In the eighth, a left from Alvie told me maybe JMM was slowing down a bit. Then he knocked Alvie to the matt. He was up at eight, off a right hand, and then the bell rang. A jab blinded him and the right follow was damaging as heck.

In the ninth, down went Marquez. He was up quickly, off that clipping right. JMM came back with a filthy combo. They traded bombs at 1:20. The cut under Alvie's left eye didn't put him off. Marquez' precision bombs were vicious at the end of the round.

In the 10th, both men took a break, but then Alvie landed hard rights and JMM went with a left hook. Alvie ran to close the round, one he lost. In the 11th, JMM and Alvie traded power shots. JMM was still slipping, seeing shots, his reflexes amazing for a man his age. Alvie almost dropped JMM again, with a right hand, however. Nacho Beristain told him he was too slow, because he pulled out and left his chin open for business.

In the 12th, Alvie waited, and went lefty, and watched too much. He did press late some but Marquez stayed smart and focused, and defensively aware. We went to the cards.

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amayseng says:

Jmm looked fantastic.
Crisp, sharp, fluid in combination, strong, great stamina, good life in his legs.
It was all there

Also including terrible acne all over his chest and back.
If you know what that is a sign of.

Radam G says:

Jmm looked fantastic.
Crisp, sharp, fluid in combination, strong, great stamina, good life in his legs.
It was all there

Also including terrible acne all over his chest and back.
If you know what that is a sign of.


Help me out! Hehehe! What has caused that "terrible acne?" His glass cups therapy?

"Mile High" Mike help him to look crisp, sharp and fluid in combos by standing around and posing too much. Holla!

DaveB says:

Good fight. Good skills of Marquez. Wasn't there testing for this fight? At any rate he didn't look bulked up.

oubobcat says:

Its time to start beating the drums for the 5th fight with Pacquiao. I, for one, can't wait to see it. They have made for four good fights in the past and I am certain a fifth fight won't disappoint.

As for Alvarado, I hope he takes a break before resuming his career. A long break as a matter of fact and then ease his way back into things. He has been through a murderous row of fights and needs to just give his body time to recover.

El Maromero says:

Help me out! Hehehe! What has caused that "terrible acne?" His glass cups therapy?

"Mile High" Mike help him to look crisp, sharp and fluid in combos by standing around and posing too much. Holla!


idk Radam, You put JMM with Mathysse,Maidana,Garcia, or Broner and JMM will slug it out with any of them.I think he is still a great fighter.His combos are well choreographed.Top Rank doesnt even need a matchmaker with this cold war.The fighters already know whos next

King Beef says:

Help me out! Hehehe! What has caused that "terrible acne?" His glass cups therapy?

"Mile High" Mike help him to look crisp, sharp and fluid in combos by standing around and posing too much. Holla!



"Mile High" Mike help him to look crisp, sharp and fluid in combos by standing around and posing too much."

agreed; wonder how much different the fight would have been if Mike didnt try to let Marquez lead without throwing much back.
Never the less, Marquez still looked pretty good, good combos

Radam G says:

idk Radam, You put JMM with Mathysse,Maidana,Garcia, or Broner and JMM will slug it out with any of them.I think he is still a great fighter.His combos are well choreographed.Top Rank doesnt even need a matchmaker with this cold war.The fighters already know whos next

All of JMM's losses came from busy, shifty-moving fighters. He -- even old now -- will counter punch you to a thousand deaths if you stand around posing, single punching, one-two shooting and not feinting, and jumping straight back.

You halt a guy like Marquez/Hulkquez from counter punching by mutli-punching with feints, speed and side-to-side movement.

A counter puncher need a straight, slow-moving target. He goes nuts when you angle away, making him turn to find you.

You turn him. You burn him. You hook and book. And all his game is shook. You slip, you slide, you ride, you hide. Don't throw one punch, throw five.

In close quarters, tie him up. Because he does use tricks of the trade knee bumping, stepping-on-your-toe humping and ankle-tripping-you trumping. Holla!

stormcentre says:

All of JMM's losses came from busy, shifty-moving fighters. He -- even old now -- will counter punch you to a thousand deaths if you stand around posing, single punching, one-two shooting and not feinting, and jumping straight back.

You halt a guy like Marquez/Hulkquez from counter punching by mutli-punching with feints, speed and side-to-side movement.

A counter puncher need a straight, slow-moving target. He goes nuts when you angle away, making him turn to find you.

You turn him. You burn him. You hook and book. And all his game is shook. You slip, you slide, you ride, you hide. Don't throw one punch, throw five.

In close quarters, tie him up. Because he does use tricks of the trade knee bumping, stepping-on-your-toe humping and ankle-tripping-you trumping. Holla!



Did you see this fight RG?

I actually missed it.

If you (or anyone else here) saw it - was it good?

Any notable action or exchanges?

I know I can read about the Marquez V Alvardo on TSS or many other sites, but I actually wanted to get someone’s take on the fight that’s not a writer . . . if you know what I mean.

Radam G says:

I'm at the G-Fam compound in SoCal, so my son and I were at the fights live and in living color.

"Acne"-$kinned Marquez looked great to the not-been-a-fighter's inexperienced neurons. He fought a gun-shy pug who didn't let his hands go for 10 rounds. And in the 10th, when "Mile High" Mike did, he knocked Hulkquez on his butt.

I don't need to tell you because you already know. Ev'ybodee and dey momma look good against a frighten-human punching bag with eyeballs.

I'm not conned by optical illusions. Marquez cannot handle pressure anymore. And he never could handle speed of foot-and-hand speed.

You can jump on him, or run from him and beat him. He beats you if you come straight in or back straight up. He will always have the tricks of the trade of knee bumping, toe stumping and turn-punch thumping with his thumb.

You and I and D2 can see all the tricks of the trade from the jump of the fight. But most readers and scribe won't catch Jack or Jill or find a hill until they holla at the bout in triple slow motion. Holla!

stormcentre says:

I'm at the G-Fam compound in SoCal, so my son and I were at the fights live and in living color.

"Acne"-$kinned Marquez looked great to the not-been-a-fighter's inexperienced neurons. He fought a gun-shy pug who didn't let his hands go for 10 rounds. And in the 10th, when "Mile High" Mike did, he knocked Hulkquez on his butt.

I don't need to tell you because you already know. Ev'ybodee and dey momma look good against a frighten-human punching bag with eyeballs.

I'm not conned by optical illusions. Marquez cannot handle pressure anymore. And he never could handle speed of foot-and-hand speed.

You can jump on him, or run from him and beat him. He beats you if you come straight in or back straight up. He will always have the tricks of the trade of knee bumping, toe stumping and turn-punch thumping with his thumb.

You and I and D2 can see all the tricks of the trade from the jump of the fight. But most readers and scribe won't catch Jack or Jill or find a hill until they holla at the bout in triple slow motion. Holla!


Thanks for that RG.

Yes, that’s why I wanted an insider’s view.

I had noticed that (as time has gone by for JMM) there were reasons that were not widely discussed within the media as to why JMM has an overreliance on counterpunching as a style that dictates his overall approach to fights.

I don't want to ridicule JMM as he is a legend and deserves to fight how he pleases at this stage of his career.

But, this is why I thought - had Alvarado meaningfully taken the fight to JMM - there may have been a little surprise.

But, was it that (in your opinion) Mike was just to respectful of the JMM legend, and that combined with the fact that JMM didn’t want to really incite a riot; meant that what everyone got was a sparring match where the participants were more concerned about their images than scoring points and blood?

Did JMM do anything - besides being himself and simply being there - to close Alvarado’s offense down?

Or were all the unforced errors and/or offensive inactivity (so to speak) on Alvarado’s part not really due to any forced errors that Marquez can take the credit for?

Radam G says:

Hulkquez was trying to kayo "Mile High" Mike. But was not the Marquez of old. And he did benefit that MHM was frighten senseless of him and engaged in a sparring, stay-away, go-the-distance match.

IMHO, the Siberian Rocky would have had a good night against the clearly fading superstar. Holla!

stormcentre says:

Yep, I think Ruslan Provodnikov would be a very hard fight for JMM, and that he would probably get seriously hurt.

It’s no accident that only lunatics like Rios are calling Provodnikov out.

El Maromero says:

Yeah you are right,He is a great when it comes to guys coming to him.But hey he is not perfect, I wonder how Manny will fight if they have a 5th fight.

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