Wladimir Klitschko: Unlike Floyd, His Lopsided & Boring Fights Don't Sell In US

BY Frank Lotierzo ON February 10, 2014
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The worst thing for an elite athlete is for him not to be cared about. Forget whether or not the fans think he is really good, the real death sentence is when they acknowledge that you're formidable and good but couldn't care less to watch you perform.

No athlete grasped that quicker and earlier than a young Cassius Marcellus Clay in the early 1960s when he did a radio show after flamboyant wrestler "Gorgeous" George. The young Clay met George and went to see him wrestle that night and was amazed at the crowd's reaction, which was split. Many in attendance were cheering for the bombastic George to get his butt whipped, while others enjoyed his act and were there to see him perform. And what stood out most to Clay was that the arena was packed and everybody had an interest in the outcome. It didn't matter if they were there to see "Gorgeous" George win or lose, what mattered most is they were in attendance to see "Gorgeous" George.

That's when Cassius Clay realized that being good wasn't enough and that an athlete had to be noticed. He also saw that being the "bad guy" wasn't such a bad thing and happened to be great for business. He understood as a bad guy you'd attract fans who were hellbent on seeing you get beat and that there'd also be those who would like the persona and personality and would show up just to see and hear what you were going to do next. Thus "I am the Greatest" was born and Clay, who later became Muhammad Ali, became the biggest draw and star in boxing since Jack Dempsey. Muhammad Ali became a pioneer as to how athletes and entertainers presented themselves to their potential paying customers.

The most recent example of this occurred after the NFC championship game between the Seattle Seahawks and the San Francisco 49ers on January 18th. After Seahawks defensive back Richard Sherman made the game saving play in the endzone with seconds left in the game, he went off a la Cassius Clay after beating Sonny Liston to FoxSports sideline reporter Erin Andrews. Forty million people saw Sherman go off about how he's the greatest corner-back in the NFL and for the next two weeks leading up to the Super Bowl, Sherman received more attention than Denver Broncos quarterback and five time MVP Peyton Manning. Sherman was a topic of discussion on both news, sports and interview shows nonstop leading up to the game which just so happened to be the most watched television broadcast in history. Before Sherman went off after the NFC championship game, he wasn't that well known, except to hardcore NFL fans.

Sports history is replete with these type of scenarios. The best fighter in boxing, Floyd Mayweather, thrives on this type of projection and flamboyancy. Until Floyd fought Oscar De La Hoya back in May of 2007, nobody cared about the undefeated Mayweather to much extent. He didn't posses the ring athleticism of Muhammad Ali or Sugar Ray Leonard and wasn't a perceived destroyer like Mike Tyson. His fights weren't terribly exciting and he didn't posses natural charisma. Then he met Vince McMahon of the WWE who helped turn him into today's biggest attraction and story in professional boxing after he defeated De La Hoya.

Enter multiple heavyweight title holder Wladimir Klitschko 61-3 (51). Since 2005 Wladimir has lost about as many rounds as Mayweather and has posted many more stoppage victories. Sure, some will say Klitschko hasn't really fought any outstanding heavyweights during that run, but that's not his fault. Exactly who would you like him to fight among those most qualified to fight him? On the other hand Mayweather has picked his spots fighting certain fighters after they've peaked, before they've fully blossomed or forced them to meet him at a catch-weight up or down from where they made their mark and fought their best. Yet Mayweather attracts substantial PPV buys and Klitschko can't even get on either of the two major boxing broadcast networks in boxing, Showtime and HBO.

"I understand the criticism that the fights are lopsided and kind of boring. I'm getting it," Klitschko said last week. Yes, his fights have been drama-less and many are quick to disparage his skill and ability as a world class fighter and champion, but if he's so terrible, why doesn't one of those fighters qualified to fight him go in there and beat him? The same applies to those who disparage Mayweather because he's not a knockout puncher. To that I say, "he punches hard enough to win."

"I'm missing the fans in the U.S.," Klitschko said in an interview with The Associated Press. "The fan base is huge here and I would love to fight back in the States. I want to fight here but I need a broadcaster, either Showtime or HBO, and I need an arena,'' Klitschko said. ''Of course I also need an opponent who is interesting to fans. I think the Arreola-Stiverne winner could be a good choice."

Based on Klitschko's above statement, Wladimir understands and fully grasps that it's important to amass a U.S. following. However, American fans are fickle and appreciate and react to sizzle much more than substance and that doesn't just pertain to boxing. Andre Ward and Mikey Garcia are perfect examples. They are every bit the fighter and technician that Mayweather is, but they don't know how to or care to instigate the fans and media the way Mayweather has mastered in order to expand their popularity. Wladimir's intentions are good and I believe he's willing to fight the best of the best around today because he always has. Sadly his size, strength and power cause many of his opponents to fold up and worry more about what he might do instead of what they should be attempting to do to dethrone him.

And by the looks of the heavyweight landscape that's not about to change unless Bermane Stiverne 23-1-1 (20) turns out to be a better fighter than perceived and catches Wladimir at the right time. In order for Wladimir Klitschko to change his marketability, he'd have to do something outrageous or be involved in some sort of controversy, something that is not likely to happen.

This is a man who was flirting with the idea of Don King promoting him and his brother - until they realized when they went to see King at his palatial mansion that King wasn't actually playing the piano as he led them to believe, because it was a self playing piano. That turned them off and King never had a thing to do with either brothers' career.

It's amazing how a personality makes Mayweather's often boring and lopsided fights must see. In America nobody would recognize Wladimir walking down the street, but in Germany he fights in front of fifty thousand fans regardless of who the opponent is and is greeted like a rock star.

It would be interesting to see how Floyd Mayweather would advise Wladimir about stimulating interest in his career. Is there any doubt that if Mayweather were Klitschko and possessed the same assets and liabilities as a fighter that he'd fight exactly the same way? Not in my mind. He even would've made the same mistake as Wladimir in agreeing to fight Ross Puritty early in his career.

You know what's kind of interesting? Klitschko even has a more compelling personality than Mayweather. As boring as I find Wlad can be as a fighter sometimes, I'm always interested in what he has to say. Mayweather, on the other hand, completely puts me to sleep, except during those times when he's actually annoying me. But perception is everything, I guess.

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Radam G says:

WOW! SuperscribeF-Lo is DA MAN! There's no kyptonite that could weaken his weaving and scribing.

TEACH! This copy is more juicy than a Georgia PEACH! He's just pitched a gem to you.

Fans and fanfaronades want a star to give them a reason to love or hate. And if you don't get that, you are too late.

A fan or fanfaronade want a feel-good reason to pay. And no one said it better than the young Cassius Clay: "It (doesn't) matter if a fan is there to see me win or to see me get beat. He still paid for that seat."

Give the fans and fanfaronades emotional-driven jive. And they will come to your fight like protecting-supporting bees at a beehive.

Money May gets it, and knows it. It is an American thing. And to support you or to see you destroyed, Kanos will give up their hard-earned BLING-BLING! They luv da bullsyet and da bullsyeter! Some luv to hate him and see him get beat. Other luv to love him and see him prosper.

The Big Screen Rocky is a good example. If the dude was pugilism actuality and reality, he'd already be the first billion-dollar-earned fighter. WTF! Perpetrating-a-fraud Big-Screen Rocky Balboa has made 10 times the amount of money of the real-life squared-jungle Rocky. Holla!

deepwater2 says:

He lives in Germany, his style of boxing is horrible to watch,( at least Floyd has some slick moves before he bores you to sleep.) his personality is not much see tv.

brownsugar says:

What does WK's popularity in the US matter? He earns $15 mill every time out the gate.. He fights so often I wouldn't doubt he's the top all time earner in boxing. His audience approves and pays for the mismatches.... Everybody's happy

Personally I find Floyd's fights intriguing to watch...when he starts kissing the canvas like Paq I'll look elsewhere for boxing excellence.

Radam G says:

Wow! NYET! Doc Wladimir doesn't make $15mil a fight. Holla!

Radam G says:

Not even close. Holla!

Radam G says:

C'mon TSS scribes! HELP! Scribble some hardcore reality up in the Universe.

I went and check Doc Wladimir's purses for his last four bouts. And he didn't get a combine $15mil in his last four bouts. The dude only got 13mil for dancing with sore-foot "Haymaker" David Haye. And he has got $15mil or more in only one bout. Holla!

brownsugar says:

WK got 19 million for Povetkin...and 15 mill for Haye.. No one but a chosen few get even one mil per fight... Endorsements included VK and WK are worth 50 to 90 mil...not bad for easy work.

brownsugar says:

50 to 90 mill apiece

Radam G says:

Nonsense! Just as Holmes didn't get $2mil for Gerry Gooney and $1.5 for Iron Mike. Boxing is seedy with umpteen lies everywhere, especially about height and salaries. I'm in the loop, so I know the poop.


B-Sug, you ought to get somebody to help you out. [Holla at Dino.]

Doc W got $7mil up front for Hayemaker, and the rest in installments. Wow! B-Sug, you don't even know how the payments roll in elite boxing. Quit believing promotion propaganda, especially from unreliable hate sites nut-riding Money May. That is if that is what you are doing. I don't know.

But I do know dudes like you have a lot of pride. And with a lot of bullsyet and with made-up jive will ride. Maybe you are fond of telling sea stories. Or maybe you were that typical mess deck bullsyeter of it all. Hehehe! Chillax, DUDE! You are not in the emergency ward. You are in the Universe of TSS.

For Povetkin Bout, the doctor iron fist was paid $9mil. And he hasn't gotten all the bread yet.

Nothing personal, but the scribes really, REALLY need to write the particulars of some of the things that you've been posting of late. C'mon, MAN! This is a legit clearinghouse of boxing realities and actualites. Not making up stuff on da fly, or reading what rogue boxing journalists are writing on those weak-jive sites and passing it on here. Because you will be called out. Let's keep it civil, honest and honorable. Calling you out is not to make you go wacko, but to help keep your providing-good-shyt machismo.

It is fine to be wrong. That is a part of learning. Boxing falsely jack-up the amount of salaries for the consumption of suckas born every minute eager to believe that every top gun in boxing is getting near-Money-May-and-Da Manny's whole-money salaries. Holla!

Radam G says:

Where are you, Dino de Vinci? I need for you to holla that million-dollar payouts and paydays are extremely rare for 95-percent of boxers who get a shot at one of the alphabet-sanctioning organization title belts. Holla!

Radam G says:

My bad! I meant 99.5 percent. Holla!

Radam G says:

My bad! I meant 99.5 percent. Holla!

amayseng says:

That is because he holds 500 times a fight....

This reminds me of my dad, when I was younger and we were watching fights if a boxer was holding blatantly

and repeatedly my dad would get mad and say things like "yea there ya go, hold him, hold him and dance with him, lets put some music on so you can slow dance with him like a woman"..

now mind you I was like under 12, so he used the term "woman" to respect my innocence..

ha. I forgot about him saying that it was so many years ago, made me laugh out loud.....


boxing is truly a family sport, fathers truly bring up sons at the youngest of ages.

the first time i practiced baseball with my dad I was probably 5.

The first fight I watched with him I was in diapers sitting on his lap eyes stuck on the tv.......

The Good Doctor says:

That is because he holds 500 times a fight....

This reminds me of my dad, when I was younger and we were watching fights if a boxer was holding blatantly

and repeatedly my dad would get mad and say things like "yea there ya go, hold him, hold him and dance with him, lets put some music on so you can slow dance with him like a woman"..

now mind you I was like under 12, so he used the term "woman" to respect my innocence..

ha. I forgot about him saying that it was so many years ago, made me laugh out loud.....


boxing is truly a family sport, fathers truly bring up sons at the youngest of ages.

the first time i practiced baseball with my dad I was probably 5.

The first fight I watched with him I was in diapers sitting on his lap eyes stuck on the tv.......



This is an oft overlooked explanation of the decline of youth interest in the sport. Less father's in the homes.

brownsugar says:

Nonsense! Just as Holmes didn't get $2mil for Gerry Gooney and $1.5 for Iron Mike. Boxing is seedy with umpteen lies everywhere, especially about height and salaries. I'm in the loop, so I know the poop.


B-Sug, you ought to get somebody to help you out. [Holla at Dino.]

Doc W got $7mil up front for Hayemaker, and the rest in installments. Wow! B-Sug, you don't even know how the payments roll in elite boxing. Quit believing promotion propaganda, especially from unreliable hate sites nut-riding Money May. That is if that is what you are doing. I don't know.

But I do know dudes like you have a lot of pride. And with a lot of bullsyet and with made-up jive will ride. Maybe you are fond of telling sea stories. Or maybe you were that typical mess deck bullsyeter of it all. Hehehe! Chillax, DUDE! You are not in the emergency ward. You are in the Universe of TSS.

For Povetkin Bout, the doctor iron fist was paid $9mil. And he hasn't gotten all the bread yet.

Nothing personal, but the scribes really, REALLY need to write the particulars of some of the things that you've been posting of late. C'mon, MAN! This is a legit clearinghouse of boxing realities and actualites. Not making up stuff on da fly, or reading what rogue boxing journalists are writing on those weak-jive sites and passing it on here. Because you will be called out. Let's keep it civil, honest and honorable. Calling you out is not to make you go wacko, but to help keep your providing-good-shyt machismo.

It is fine to be wrong. That is a part of learning. Boxing falsely jack-up the amount of salaries for the consumption of suckas born every minute eager to believe that every top gun in boxing is getting near-Money-May-and-Da Manny's whole-money salaries. Holla!


RG... You can't be a source of information about something you don't know about.. Its common knowledge and its available to anyone who looks it up...GOOGLE IT.... The K Brothers are mega wealthy and are they're own bosses (K2).. I've dropped $14.99 several times to watch their fights that HBO refused to air. These guys are the most business savvy fighters in boxing. How many fighters pull down them kinds of checks..... Very Few...nothing personal....just business.

Radam G says:

And so am I. I know their income. It is public record -- common knowledge -- and is easy to find. Point 5 percent pull down those types of paychecks -- seven figures on the regular -- in boxing. Never personal -- just business and bitnezz of the reality and actuality. Holla!

Radam G says:

Wow! You really need to spent your moolah better. Just so that you will know. Even when HBO refused to show the K-bro/docs' boring bouts, you could have saved your $14.99 and saw their bouts on EPIX for free.

And because you love Money May so well, and I never expect for you to be sitting near me in a ringside seat, you can save your $70 PPV money and see his bout live online at firstrowsports dot com. Holla!

the Roast says:

Where the hell is the Wlad loving unjust 2011 ROTY Mortcola???

Radam G says:

Yup! Where is Doc M-cola? He probably knows the K-bros/docs' purse by heart. BTW, B-Sug quite a few fighters are their own "boss" -- Da Manny, Money May, Roy Jones, Miguel Cotto and Tim Bradley and his wife, just to name a few. Holla!

Radam G says:

Where is SCLA Ali? $aps [sic] with him? Maybe he got a bit role in Hollywood. Holla!

Carmine Cas says:

Klitschko doesn't have the personality to sell big fights in America, it's sad because he is an intellectual with a lot to offer but that's not what Americans are looking for. They aren't looking for smart people, they are looking for fighters who entertain them.

RG, what are some public sources to find the information on their true paydays?

brownsugar says:

Go to Forbes...
The K brothers earn so well because they own K2 Promotions their own promotional company.. (Which also Promotes GGG) The K Brothers keep the lions share of their income. No middle man promoter to pay except their employees. In addition to this they distribute most of their fights on the internet through epic for $14.99 a pop.. WK earned 24mill from the Povetkin fight. Or 19 mil after deductions...

You don't have to believe me just Google Klitchko earnings or go to Forbes and make sure the site is up to date ... Remember this does not include endorsements from the well respected brothers....and some sites only have WK's 2013 earnings BEFORE the Povetkin fight(30 mil).
Not hard to find... See for yourself.

Radam G says:

Promotion jive and gray lies are what you are reading, B-Sug. These jive turkeys are inattentional blinding you by saying "about," "up to," "estimate," "around," and the likes. Public relations slickers are archmasters at interpolating a zero here and there, and fooling the double-fudge syet outta those not in the poop to even imagine how to find a legit scoop.

Paying $15 to see the doctors/brothers is ____ _____ ______ and ______ _______ in my humble opinion. But: "It's yo' thang -- yo' THANG! Do what you wanna do! I cam't [sic] tell cha' who ta sock it ta!" I get all of their bouts FREE, and just tiny spot watch them just in case a FIGHT break out involve a K-bro/doc.

The truth is stranger than fiction. That is why people buy it, and are willing to be bullheaded about it. Sounding good CHING-CHING in boksing is usually a BIG con. You Kanos like exotic, enchantic state-of-mind jive. So you are thinking that European fighters in wonderful Germany, France or English get paid more moolah than in "Sin City," "The City that never sleeps," and "The City of the Angels." NYET! Ninety-nine percent of fighters get the short stick on 99 percent of the globe.

OMFG! Pugilists get money F*@KED everywhere on the planet, but in Abu Dhabi and Qatar. And fanboys and rogue journalists are quick to write about enchanted paydays at the drop of a hat. They will report both sides of the two-headed coin as different. Hehehehe! That should set off an alarm in your head.

"Forbes" is hardcore reliable. But one has to know what he is reading. And catch the public relations's interpolates.

Doc WK did not earn "24mil" from Povetkin fight, or any other fight. He has NEVER -- and I mean NEVER -- had a fight purse that BIG!

WOW! BTW define "lion share of their income." After training expenses, paying off sparringmates, lackies, food merchants, hos, taxes, etc., etc., no fighter keeps a "lion share" of the moolah. The books, crooks and hooks always get and keep the lion share.

If the K-bros/docs are getting all these millions, why haven't they broke into the top 10 of the "World's Richest Paid Athletes[?]" Holla!

brownsugar says:

I like watching Wlad K and don't care who knows it. Lol... And the word is extrapolating not interpoling... Hey RG, if you have any verifiable dirt on The K Bro's let's hear it... Otherwise I'll pass on the smoky mirrors and optical illusions.

Radam G says:

NYET! Wrong answer, B-Sug! I posted and used "the (correct) word."

WEBSTER'S...COLLEGIATE DICTIONARY: Interpolate = "1. To alter or corrupt by inserting new or foreign matter." 2. To estimate values of (a function) between two known values. 3. To make insertion (as of estimated values).

Deal with that B-Sug. It is nothing vague. I'm in the game. I know how it works. And I'm post-college educated. It is bullsyet that most fighters are brain-damaged dummies getting paid umpteen millions of dollars and ending up poor.

@CC, you can go right to a corrupted state commission site and see the agreed-upon pay on the fighters' contracts and the required amount to be paid. Then you go to the alphabet sanctioning commissions' sites to see how much the purse pay is/was, because they will be collecting three percent of each fighter's purse and charging him a fee for the cheap-made title belt. Then go to TR and/or GBP to see the signed contracts of the fighters' pay from televisions, the live gates and PPV.

BTW, it is a myth that the millionaire money-making elite is paid in a lump sum. Sometimes a promoter does not paid a fighter the whole agreed upon amount for years. And if he is Don King and/or Murad Muhammad, you don't get the rest money EVER' other than maybe after you win a lawsuit against them, you get about 10 percent of what you are owed.

Under the "Freedom of Information Act," you get the salaries made and contracts of any pugilist from the commissions and promotion outfits.

In other words, the way that the game works, only .5 percent of the fighters make the big bucks from a vast of establishments. A lot of rogue scribes and talking heads know it, so they will often interpolate money syet in their work to bamboozle and hoodwink the naive fans, know nothings and posers to keep them clue to that establishment.

You are on a great site/Universe, because Editor Mike is no interpolator or allowed that turkey from his crew.

But don't hate the rogue boxing scribes and fanboys. Like religion peddlers, they are just doing their jobs and serving their masters to get pay TOO!

The game is seedy' shady, sneaky and "The theatre of the expected." And optical illusions and

Those who are not in the loop, don't know how to get a scoop and or the rotten smell of the real poop. Hehehehe! Now that short poem is some real Pops Joy May's stuff. Holla!

Carmine Cas says:

I heard 19 million too but I will do some research through the promoters and commissions .

Radam G says:

I hear reporters and promoters always exaggerating fighters' purses. But the signed contracts are nowhere near that. Residue of funds slowly comes in. And the announced purse never find its way to that figure that was first put out. For example, Money May's purses against Vicious less Vic Ortiz and the Cali Ghost Guerrero was nowhere next $40mil -- not even $30mil.

First reports and reports period of boxers' purses are like first news reports: "The first report was wrong," or not exactly that way. Holla!

Radam G says:

A media report of the top 10 of highest paid boxers of all time in one fight. The money consisted of a guaranteed purse, plus a percentage of pay-per-view and a percentage of ways the bout was broadcasted.

1. Big Money Oscar, $53mil
2. Evander Holyfield, $35mil
3. Money May, $32mil
4. Doc W.K., $32mil
5. David Hate, $32mil
6. Iron Mike, $30mil
7. Lennox Lewis, $30mil
8. Da Manny, 25mil
9. Doc V.K., $15mil
10. Miguel Cotto, $8mil

Note: Take in to consideration how many times that it was reported that Iron Mike's purse was a $40mil guarantee back in da day.

My point is: There are several media sources reporting different amounts. Which one is right? On Iron Mike return from prison, the HBO talking head were saying that he was getting $40mil for his return bout against no-chancer Peter McNeeley. He never fought a bout in which he got $40mil anything. Wow!

And it was a reported back in da day that Buster Douglas got $20mil when he was put to sleep by Holy. But his amount is not on this list.

Bottom line, exaggerations of boxers' purses are as old as heck. And are for promoting purposes. Nobody is getting or have gotten the media's ones. Holla!

Radam G says:

Wow! The fibs that exist in boxing and fake BIG-money syet. Now, let Jeff Mayweather tell it, Da Manny is now $68mil in the red and needs Money May. Wow! Only bottom feeders can and will believe every money lie casted for and/or against a fighter that they love or hate.

Don't believe da HYPE! Holla!

brownsugar says:

RG...You just took a very long route (like forever) to confirm what I already said...if WK earned 31 Mil in one fight according to your own research.... how could he not be worth 50 to 90 MIL today? digital distribution and endorsements included.
WK is one of the few boxers who has created his own market.
You have a very peculiar way of contradicting yourself...but thanks for doing the heavy lifting.

amayseng says:

My gosh what a lot of money for one fight.

Is it too late for me to HGH and Juice it up for a few years to make that list???


Hell almost everyone else is.

And how does Wlad make that much never selling ppv's?

Radam G says:

Apparently you cannot read, B-Sug. Or you have -- what I suspect that you do -- severe inattention blindness. I didn't confirm an iota of what you have been posting about pay. I know that not a single one of these fighters got those types of purses. Doc WK never "earned 31 Mil." It was simply reported by the MEDIA to hook and hoodwinked naive, believe-anything-that-he-is-told readers like you.

Quit it, already, B-Sug! I'm a REAL boxer in the REAL game of boxing. I know how MEDIA's report about "earned" moolah, fighters' heights, and ages are 95-PERCENT not TRUE! "Radam G" has not confirm jack for the MEDIA's reports. The MEDIA once reported me getting a million-dollar purse. Well somebody stole my purse. I guess your homeboy Don King lifted it. Because he straight-up LIED to the MEDIA. And like the MEDIA always do, they fled with that story. [Don't believe the media syet, B-Sug. The Shadow will tell you how some reporters and their news outfits make up SYET.]

You can get the right info in the way that I've stated to TSS reader CC. Matter of fact; even TSS reader "The Shadow" can help you out.

NEWS FLASH: Reports of fighter's EARNED income are 99-percent WRONG! The main reason is that a purse of "31 Mil" is not MOOLAH all for the PUGILIST. The promoter gets a piece of the action, the advisers get a piece of the action, the managers, trainers and cutman get a piece of the action, various other lackies get their cut and the corrupted sanctioning commission gets a double piece of the action -- sanctioning fee and cost of title belt, etc., etc.

You are much too gunho with arrogrance that you know something that you have never been a part of. Now don't next tell me that you were a pro fighter and that you are from one of the pro-fighting families of the world. READ, BROTHA, READ what I posted without thinking that I confirmed your _____ ______ _____ and you got me.

A person may not believe what he reads, but he reads what he believes. That is you, B-Sug. You are trying to hard to get a contradiction because you don't understand the game of professional or amateur pugilism. And you apparently have some types of issues and bones to grind. Could it be that terrible situation in the P-Islands where you felt that you were railroaded by a joy girl?

Why don't you just squash that arrogrant tude and that "GOTCHA" behavior. C'mon, Man! We are grown ups up in this Universe. And you are most grown than most. Don't be so quick on the draw, because you are turning yourself into a man of straw. Hehehe! I'm solid as a ROCK! And got a lot of boksing STOCK!

You cannot do a two-step jive job of bullsyet on me. I'm clearly aware of what I'm posting. Now you are guiltly of interpolating my syet. Don't do that. Hahahaha!

Doc WK is not one of the few boxers who has created his own market. Tons are and have done that. Check your history. But give me a definition of "created his own market." Doc WK has done nothing different from Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, Gene Tunney, Brownbomber Joe Louis, GOAT Ali, Smokin' [Poppa] Joe, Big Rev George Foreman, Sugar Ray Robinson, Sugar Ray Leonard, Da Manny, Miguel Cotto, Marquez/Hulkquez, Money May, Superman Roy Jones Jr, Big Money Oscar, Paulie Ayala, Iron Mike and Evander Holyfield and the list goes on and on.

I see that you like to fight, though. That is cool. Because I like kicking your @$$. Hehehe! Of Course all in fun. This time, you went down in round one. You will never get a chance to step on my toe and hit me with a lotto punch via what Hulkquez did to Da Manny. Holla!

Radam G says:

Bottomline, B-Sug, "a media report" is not a Radam G's confirmation. A media report is that Money May is 5-foot-8 too. But I'm taller than his arse at 5-foot-7 and some change.

"Fight da power dat be!"

Don't believe the hype.

"Isn't 9-1-1 a joke in your side of town?" Hehehe! Holla!

brownsugar says:

Apparently you cannot read, B-Sug. Or you have -- what I suspect that you do -- severe inattention blindness. I didn't confirm an iota of what you have been posting about pay. I know that not a single one of these fighters got those types of purses. Doc WK never "earned 31 Mil." It was simply reported by the MEDIA to hook and hoodwinked naive, believe-anything-that-he-is-told readers like you.

Quit it, already, B-Sug! I'm a REAL boxer in the REAL game of boxing. I know how MEDIA's report about "earned" moolah, fighters' heights, and ages are 95-PERCENT not TRUE! "Radam G" has not confirm jack for the MEDIA's reports. The MEDIA once reported me getting a million-dollar purse. Well somebody stole my purse. I guess your homeboy Don King lifted it. Because he straight-up LIED to the MEDIA. And like the MEDIA always do, they fled with that story. [Don't believe the media syet, B-Sug. The Shadow will tell you how some reporters and their news outfits make up SYET.]

You can get the right info in the way that I've stated to TSS reader CC. Matter of fact; even TSS reader "The Shadow" can help you out.

NEWS FLASH: Reports of fighter's EARNED income are 99-percent WRONG! The main reason is that a purse of "31 Mil" is not MOOLAH all for the PUGILIST. The promoter gets a piece of the action, the advisers get a piece of the action, the managers, trainers and cutman get a piece of the action, various other lackies get their cut and the corrupted sanctioning commission gets a double piece of the action -- sanctioning fee and cost of title belt, etc., etc.

You are much too gunho with arrogrance that you know something that you have never been a part of. Now don't next tell me that you were a pro fighter and that you are from one of the pro-fighting families of the world. READ, BROTHA, READ what I posted without thinking that I confirmed your _____ ______ _____ and you got me.

A person may not believe what he reads, but he reads what he believes. That is you, B-Sug. You are trying to hard to get a contradiction because you don't understand the game of professional or amateur pugilism. And you apparently have some types of issues and bones to grind. Could it be that terrible situation in the P-Islands where you felt that you were railroaded by a joy girl?

Why don't you just squash that arrogrant tude and that "GOTCHA" behavior. C'mon, Man! We are grown ups up in this Universe. And you are most grown than most. Don't be so quick on the draw, because you are turning yourself into a man of straw. Hehehe! I'm solid as a ROCK! And got a lot of boksing STOCK!

You cannot do a two-step jive job of bullsyet on me. I'm clearly aware of what I'm posting. Now you are guiltly of interpolating my syet. Don't do that. Hahahaha!

Doc WK is not one of the few boxers who has created his own market. Tons are and have done that. Check your history. But give me a definition of "created his own market." Doc WK has done nothing different from Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, Gene Tunney, Brownbomber Joe Louis, GOAT Ali, Smokin' [Poppa] Joe, Big Rev George Foreman, Sugar Ray Robinson, Sugar Ray Leonard, Da Manny, Miguel Cotto, Marquez/Hulkquez, Money May, Superman Roy Jones Jr, Big Money Oscar, Paulie Ayala, Iron Mike and Evander Holyfield and the list goes on and on.

I see that you like to fight, though. That is cool. Because I like kicking your @$$. Hehehe! Of Course all in fun. This time, you went down in round one. You will never get a chance to step on my toe and hit me with a lotto punch via what Hulkquez did to Da Manny. Holla!


Lol... You made me laugh out loud... And for that I'm not going to print the true definition of interpolation...holla'

Radam G says:

Hehehe! Fast response. Isn't it working hours on the U.S. mainland on the East Coast? Maybe the weather is keeping you guys home. I already posted the definition of interpolate/interpolation. Time to get jiggy with the roadwork. Holla!

The Shadow says:

My gosh what a lot of money for one fight.

Is it too late for me to HGH and Juice it up for a few years to make that list???


Hell almost everyone else is.

And how does Wlad make that much never selling ppv's?


Juice up, baby! JUICE UP! LOL

They don't need PPV because German channel RTL breaks them off PROPER. They command insane ratings in Germany so PPV not needed. (Like Super Bowl but on a smaller scale, obviously.)

In addition, they sell out 50K soccer stadium on the regular.

Speaking of juicing, start watching undercard fights and you will see some juicers on the way up but not on the up and up.

The Shadow says:

A media report of the top 10 of highest paid boxers of all time in one fight. The money consisted of a guaranteed purse, plus a percentage of pay-per-view and a percentage of ways the bout was broadcasted.

1. Big Money Oscar, $53mil
2. Evander Holyfield, $35mil
3. Money May, $32mil
4. Doc W.K., $32mil
5. David Hate, $32mil
6. Iron Mike, $30mil
7. Lennox Lewis, $30mil
8. Da Manny, 25mil
9. Doc V.K., $15mil
10. Miguel Cotto, $8mil

Note: Take in to consideration how many times that it was reported that Iron Mike's purse was a $40mil guarantee back in da day.

My point is: There are several media sources reporting different amounts. Which one is right? On Iron Mike return from prison, the HBO talking heads were saying that he was getting $40mil for his return bout against no-chancer Peter McNeeley. Iron Mike never fought a bout in which he got $40mil anything. Wow!

And it was reported back in da day that Buster Douglas got $20mil when he was put to sleep by Holy. But his amount is not on this list.

Bottom line, exaggerations of boxers' purses are as old as heck. And are for promoting purposes. Nobody is getting or have gotten the media's ones. Holla!


You're almost right, my dude. But Floyd surpassed Oscar long ago.

You're selling him short. I -- along with many others -- have seen the check CBS-fronted/Golden Boy cut for Floyd in September.

He's making the bulk in residuals, yes, but in this particular deal he's actually seeing more money on the FRONT END than he ever was before.

He made over $50 million vs. Mosley, for the record (although his camp claims $60m + but I'm skeptical of that).

Floyd will pocket over $80 million for the Canelo fight when it's all said and done. If certain deals go through, Floyd will pocket $85m in May.

Holyfield's purse, however, is grossly distorted. That's interpolation at its finest, a purse manipulated by clever DKP accounting. (You know the equation RG, break it down baby boy!)

- Deduct 30% + to King
- Five figures in "towel expenses"
- Subtract Carl K.'s cut
- Camp expenses
- And on and on it goes...

If this list is compiled by a media member, said guy is a lazy reporter.

Mayweather broke the record for guaranteed purses in 2012 vs. Cotto, tied it vs. Guerrero in 2013 (although his back-end profits from that fight were minimal), and shattered it vs. Canelo.

The Shadow says:

RG, like you point out, a purse is not what a fighter earns. When media and people say Mike Tyson squandered almost half a billion dollars, they're very, very wrong.

I'd be surprised if Mike Tyson has seen $100m in cash flow. Everything else was stolen by lawyers, King and his cronies.

Contrary to popular belief, a boxer doesn't earn a "salary." His staff aka entourage, however, does. A boxer is like an LLC, complete with an organizational structure, balance sheets, P/L and income statements. (This is why Freddie Roach talks all this crap. He has a vested interest in maximizing Manny's purses.)

Some take it a step further by establishing fantom promotional companies for tax purposes, which Mayweather Promotions was at first.

In this LLC, a "purse" is the major, if not only, revenue stream and counts on the income statement as "revenues."

Then you have to deduct "operating expenses," which is everything you can imagine. Manny P., for instance, has enormous "operating expenses."

Floyd does, too. (Although RG listed a tax loophole that covers his OE.)

In the end, if he keeps 20% -- which is a good profit margin in most industries -- the fighter should consider himself lucky.

Sadly, most fighters don't get the memo, and ignorantly start spending money like they keep 100% of their purse.

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