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Nobody Fights As The Effective Attacker Today

BY Frank Lotierzo ON May 23, 2013
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Pacquiao-Sat-tour5-23-2013aOne of the most common things repeated by many boxing fans and writers today is how there are not many great fighters/boxers around today. And though I'd endorse that, I do think there are some great fighters currently campaigning, but not as many in each weight division as there once was. What stands out more to me is how we are inundated with so many counter-punchers. With the exception of Manny Pacquiao, a majority of today's greats and dominant fighters, like Floyd Mayweather, Andre Ward, Juan Manuel Marquez, Bernard Hopkins, Carlo Froch, Sergio Martinez, Adrien Broner and Vitali Klitschko, are at their best and most effective fighting as a counter-puncher.

There are less than a handful of active fighters today who are close to outstanding let alone spectacular fighting as the aggressor and pushing the fight; I'd point to Lucas Matthysse, Roman Gonzalez, and Gennady Golovkin. In today's boxing world it seems as if all the upper tier title holders and contenders either want to wait on the opponent to initiate the action, or attempt to move around and box. Nobody wants to or is skilled enough to force the fight and make the opponent fight under duress.

Being a truly effective aggressor/attacker requires a fighter to be in phenomenal condition and have the capacity to force the fight from bell-to-bell. It's the hardest route for a fighter to take compared to any other style in professional boxing. And most fighters who fought as the attacker burned out fast and their best days were behind them by the time they reached their 32nd birthday.

To be a great attacker it helps to be blessed with one punch fight altering power, but it's not like a lack of one punch power held some previous pressure fighters back from achieving greatness. Pressure fighters enter the ring with one single purpose, and that is to force their opponents to rush their offense and defense and make them do what they don't wanna do. If the pressure fighter a la Joe Frazier is successful, the opponent will wear down and eventually be forced to fight and trade with a depleted gas tank. Another staple in being effective at forcing the fight is being able to cut off the ring, which is a lot different than just moving your feet forward and following the opponent around it. A sophisticated attacker cuts the ring off thus taking away the opponent's escape routes. Look at what Frazier did in all three epic bouts with Muhammad Ali. He attacked Muhammad to the body and forced him into a corner or against the ropes. His upper-body and head movement forced Ali to missed a huge percentage of the jabs and right hands he launched at Joe's head. Frazier's pressure forced Ali to do one of three things in every one of the 41 rounds they fought. In all three fights Ali was forced to run/move, hold and take it to the body inside with his back to the ropes, or fight it out with Frazier. And guess what, all three scenarios were preferable to Joe.

On the other hand, Marvin Hagler was his least effective when he was forced to fight as the attacker. Just re-watch his fights against Roberto Duran, who was an all world attacker as a lightweight, and Sugar Ray Leonard. Marvin followed both around the ring and was outboxed for huge gaps of the fight because despite his moving forward, he didn't cut off the ring or seal their escape route to where they had to fight it out with him. In one fight he needed a rally in the last three rounds to pull it out and in the other he didn't have rounds 13, 14 and 15 to stage a rally.

Jack Dempsey was the first sophisticated attacker fighting as a heavyweight. Dempsey went through the division due to his blistering pace and his ability to constantly force the fight. With the exception of Gene Tunney and Tommy Gibbons, Jack's aggression overwhelmed every other fighter he confronted in a marquee bout. Harry Greb was a human windmill and fighting as a middleweight took it to everybody he fought between middleweight up to heavyweight. Henry Armstrong forced his way to the featherweight, lightweight and welterweight titles. Both Jake LaMotta and Carmen Basillio, who were two of the best pressure fighters of their time, managed to defeat the great Sugar Ray Robinson in title bouts. Rocky Marciano beat a smooth boxer in Ezzard Charles, a great counter-puncher in Jersey Joe Walcott and a great boxer-puncher in Archie Moore in title bouts. And when it was all said and done, Rocky's unrelenting pressure and aggression forced all three to wilt and fade down the stretch of their bouts.

Roberto Duran was one of the greatest lightweight champions and pound-for-pound fighters in history. As a lightweight he overwhelmed every boxer, counter-puncher and big banger he fought. Roberto had great head and upper body movement and the stamina to bring it non-stop for 15 rounds. Julio Cesar Chavez beat world class fighters and champions between 130-140 by working the body and applying bell-to-bell pressure. "Smokin" Joe Frazier was the greatest pressure fighter in heavyweight history and defeated Muhammad Ali in the biggest and most celebrated fight ever. Mike Tyson was also a great attacker and went on to be the youngest undisputed heavyweight champion ever.

Fighters who are great at fighting that style have the stylistic advantage over "boxers," counter-punchers" and in some cases, depending on how good their chin and stamina is, "boxer-punchers," too. Their pressure doesn't give good boxers the time or space they need to move and box. Good pressure fighters don't give counter-punchers anything to counter because they're usually on defense, which disrupts the counters via high volume punching. And in many cases a good pressure fighter will get inside on the boxer-puncher and keep them fighting on their heels and take their balance thus reducing their long-range/outside power. In fact the only style the the pressure fighter is at a style disadvantage is against the knockout puncher, who is too dangerous to carry the fight against.

Granted, most pressure fighters are short and tend to be a little challenged when it comes to their reach (yet there are exceptions like Sandy Saddler). They also must posses endless stamina and a grade-A chin. If they love to fight that's a plus and with a semblance of punching power they should be good to go. And since so many upper-tier fighters and title holders occupying the top spots in most of the divisions today are counter-punchers, for the life of me I can't figure out why there is such a dearth of fighters who can bring it and fight as the effective aggressor from bell-to-bell while cutting off the ring.

Today, pressure fighters move their feet forward and eat lefts and rights for 10 or 12 rounds looking for the perfect opening. That's nothing more than ineffective aggression which allows commentators to label them the aggressor, which is totally incorrect. Real pressure fighters dictate the tempo and usually the outcome with their none stop attack - forcing the opponent to look for an air tank so they can survive the fight if they're not stopped before the final bell.

The absence of legitimate pressure fighters is impossible to overlook today.


Frank Lotierzo can be reached at GlovedFist@Gmail.com

Comment on this article

Radam G says:

Great piece. A couple of other string-bean pressure cookers were 1970s light-heavy king Bob Foster. Dude was a legit 6-foot-3 and a half and chase down most of his opponents. Also Riddick Bowe was a tall-size pressure cooker. Holla!

deepwater says:

wish Edwin Valero was around. he looked like the link to the old school great fighters. I add Chavez sr to effective attackers. m walker and greb are legends . Fans from all walks of life always like the attackers, some defensive guys are great to watch (pernell whitiker). I can honestly say the klitchos style is a turn off to the casual fan. no one likes watching a heavyweight monster play safety first. watch old tape of max baer and you will see an insane beast who took pleasure in absorbing and dishing out. once the reign of the klitchos are over I expect more interest in the sport. My buddy in Vegas keeps catching w klitco chasing around a little b -list actress, I think he bought her a pair of boobs, maybe just maybe this girl can distract him so he loses focus and has to be in a dog fight.

amayseng says:

Floyd is a safety first fighter but at least he can be exciting.

Although not his last fight.

But W kilt is ridiculously boring.

Even for technician fans he'll put the kids to sleep for sure

MisterLee says:

I'm a big fan of Leo Santa Cruz while we're on the topic, and beocming more of a fan of Mares, and also I like viloria even tho he lost his last fight...

the Roast says:

Its too bad there isn't some heavyweight out there that can give Wlad a fight. The man has skills but with no challengers we'll never know how good he is or isn't. When Wlad's career is over history will remember all the jabs, clinches, and title defenses but when comparing Wlad to ATGs history will always remember the KO losses to Sanders and Brewster.

Matthew says:

Cutting off the ring is a lost art. I think a big reason we see a lack of effective pressure fighters today has to do with the current state of amateur boxing. With the bigger gloves and the ridiculous computer scoring system in place, amateur boxing has degraded into a variation of fencing, where guys know that once they get a lead they can play keep away and coast to a decision. This doesn't exactly translate into effective pressure fighting at the professional level.

Radam G says:

The former state of amateur boxing, Matthew. That game has changed into the pro style of fighting. You need to catch up. Holla!

Matthew says:

Amateur boxing turned me off years ago, so I guess that's why I'm behind. Did they go back to the 20 point-must system and eliminate headgear?

Matthew says:

Amateur boxing turned me off a long time ago, so that would explain why I'm behind the times. Did they go back to the 20 point-must system and eliminate headgear?

Radam G says:

No! Just as in the pros, it is a 10-point, three judges system. And pros will be allowed to fight in the O-games at Brazil. And yes, the headgears are gone for the elite division -- 19 years old to 40. Holla!

Matthew says:

Spectacular. It's been a long time coming. This will make amateur boxing watchable again.

JoeKidd says:

Not to be this guy, but LaMotta never beat Sugar Ray in a title fight. His only win over Robinson was in their second fight, before either were even considered to be contenders. Still I agree with this article 100%

JoeKidd says:

Not to be this guy, but LaMotta never beat Sugar Ray in a title fight. His only win over Robinson was in their second fight, before either were even considered to be contenders. Still I agree with this article 100%

Grimm says:

Spectacular. It's been a long time coming. This will make amateur boxing watchable again.


It will, but it will take a while. Not only are generations of amateurs permanently damaged by the computer-system-way-of-boxing, but a horde of trainers (of amateur boxers) around the world will have to adjust/adapt, or simply retire, before a new generation of fighters enters. For years I have been advocating for a boxing more adapted to the professional ways (or the traditional amateur ways), and almost been declared persona non grata. These trainers, nor their fighters, won't make any difference. 5-10 years - then we'll start reaping the rewards. Agree - it's been a long time coming.

Real Talk says:

A Master Boxer/Rumbler will take apart a pressure fighter all the time with the exception of the punchers chance. Marquez vs. Pacquiao, Floyd vs. Chico, Floyd vs. Ndou, Hopkins vs. Johnson, Hopkins vs. Trinidad and the list goes on. Dueces

Radam G says:

No master boxer/rumbler were able to take down Finto Lopez, Joe Calzagke or Rocky Marciano. No master boxer/rumbler has retired undefeated. Hopefully Money May will be the first one. Being selected is not being truthful. In annals of the game, "effective attacker(s)" own boxers. Just look at the middleweight and heavyweight divisions. Master boxers/rumblers, i.e., Jack Johnson, Gene Tunney, GOAT Ali, Sugar Ray Robinson, Carlos Monzon and B-Hop are RARE.

A person must be true about the game of boxing, because one can easily look up syet, and FIND IT. A real man always ride with the truth. A near-pure boxers being successful in this whup-@$$ sports is extremely rare. Effective attacker with a mix of a little boxing and rumbling wins about 65 percent of the time. Even Money May, B-Hop and Hulquez find the utmost success with effective attacking, or they would lost to all the opponents -- mention above -- that they beat. Effective attacking is a neccesity for the BIG SCORE, and nobody and bullsyet hateful rhetoric can get around it or pass it. Holla!

Radam G says:

I went and take a look a the great ones, and saw that "Effective Attacker(s) rule. The percentage of so-labeled boxers/rumblers got taken apart and served a major arse thrashing 90 percent of the time. Nobody should look to hate any type of fighter that has the cojones to step into dat squared jungle and get down with da get down, though.

Here goes a list of the greatest middleweights of all times and every last one of them was known for "Effective" attacking arses: Bob Fitzsimmons, Stanley Ketchel, Harry Greb, Sugar Ray Robinson, Marvelous Marvin Hagler, Sugar Ray Leonard, "Body-snatching" Mike McCallum, Mickey Walker, Carlos Monzon, Emile Giffrin, Tommy Hearns and B-Hop.

Whup @ss come in all styles, except pure boxing. Every alleged pure boxer had to put some effective attacking in his game to become successful. The late, great Willie Pep, Sweet Pea Whitaker, the late, great Hector "Macho Time" Camacho and the now super-great Floyd "Money May" Mayweather all have put some effective attacking into their game to get them over the edge. And that is a FACT, JACK!

That so-called master boxer syet is for the amateurs and Cubans. And it is very, very rare for that kind of chump bambi type of fighting to have long success in the sweet science of legal mayhem. Only cats looking for a bone to grind and grandstanding believe that a so-called master boxer/rumbler can take down an "Effective Attacker" the percentage of the time.

History is on the side of the "Effective Attacker." The great GOAT Ali has no luck with "Effective Attacker" Ken Norton, who in reality beat the GOAT three times, as Da Manny did Hulkquez, and was on the way to do it a four time. Hulkquez won the bout with a single PUNCH! Any fair-minded person know dat the crybaby bytch was gettin' torched. The late, great Sugar Ray Robinson lost to "Effective Attacker" Gene Fulmer twice, and would lost thrice, if not for that single-shot left hook. Smooth-boxing Jersey Joe Walcott was whuppin' da hebejeebeez outta Rocky Marciano until the rock landed that overhand right. And, of course, the Rock kayoed JJW in the rematch.

Will somebody please holla out some bouts to me -- other than those of Willie Pep, Sweet Pea Whitaker, Macho Time Camacho and Money May -- where a pure master boxer/rumbler has been dominant? That is what I thought! It doesn't exist. GOAT Ali have to "Effective Attacker" fight da syet outta of the late, great Joe Frazier. GOAT Ali had to thumb da heck outta big Ernie Terrell and FIGHT "Effective Attacker." And the GOAT Ali had to do the same against the late boxers Henry Cooper, Night Train Sonny Liston and Ron Lyle.

Hulkquez HIT Da Manny with an "Effective Attacker" punch, not a bytch-staying-away boxing one. Da Manny was whuppin' da holy syet outta of da master boxer/rumbler Hulkquez. That is why Marquez came up with a trick the trade "step on the toe," and not da syet outta the careless-rushing in Manny. Call a spade a spade. Holla!

This game of legal mayhem is da real deal. Not some panty-raging bullsyet. It is prizefighting, which = to a lot of "Effective Attacker," not bytch boxing and bambi-ing with big-arse feet.

dino da vinci says:

Radam, gotta tellya I love when you start rambling. You are not always 100% accurate, but you score really really high. You make a great many interesting points, but with some of the insane banter, I hope your best work isn't being lost on the brethren.

It just became a bit more apparent to me that the great Frank Lotierzo might be showing just a little extra love to the Philly fighters. Not that they don't deserve it. I only have three words for Mr Lotierzo: Rocco Francis Marchegiano.

Radam G says:

Pugilistically literality rumbling, my good friend. Rambling is for deadbeats and show offs of nothingness. Boxing factuality is my poison. Not agitating and attacking everybodee and dey momma and _______ __________ __________. Masterscribe of the sweet science F-Lo rocks the truth of the game like J-Lo can rock a small d***'s world. Hehehe! A big one like mine, too. Hahaha! Holla!

The Good Doctor says:

A Master Boxer/Rumbler will take apart a pressure fighter all the time with the exception of the punchers chance. Marquez vs. Pacquiao, Floyd vs. Chico, Floyd vs. Ndou, Hopkins vs. Johnson, Hopkins vs. Trinidad and the list goes on. Dueces



I agree totally. The one that showed this to me was Marquez vs. Diaz I.

Real Talk says:

Keyboard commando G neglecting the fact that the Manny never beat the Dinamita.....EVER which is why they wanted to fight a 4th time. Master boxer rumbler Marquez schooled ya Pinoy Idol, get off his sack Manny everytime they laced them up foolio. Only the the blind or idol worshipping Pillipino's refuse to except the fact that Manny has been the product of what you like to call optical illusion od made to order come straight forward fighters and catch weight games for the second half of his career. He never would've beat Money May which is why Bob Arum threw every monkey wrench he could find into the mix to gate the fight. Manny would've got a boxing lesson and if they ever glove up up that's what will happen. Remember I said it. Pacquiao the "wreck ducker cherry picker king" will not fight Cotto at 154 because he's live, will not fight Canelo at 154 because he's live only made to order one dimensional fighter like Rios in China where he will never get the win unless he knocks the Manny out, which he might if the ref doesn't protect the Manny. I call a ace an ace and a spade a spade. You came for Lamont Peterson but you never even entertain the fact that Manny was juicing which I'm almost sure he was "legs cramps" right...that why Freddie Roach got rid of Ariza or whatever his name is because he knew it was going to come to light real soon. Come on son son, stop playing the hypocrite and man up, don't talk about Lamont when your idol was doing the same thing. It's not hate, I'm being real and I'll tell you to your face. I'll be at the Barclay Arena with a shirt that says real talk for the B-Hop fight GOD willing if you want to see me then see me and we can talk face to facde and I'll tell you to your grill what I'm typing now. Dueces

Radam G says:

[HR][/HR]Keyboard Rambling Real Talk, the biggest blindness is hatred, and luvin' it. Da Manny beat Hulkquez three times -- officially twice and a draw. Marquez the Hulkquez kayo Da Manny after Da Manny was pimp whuppin' dat juiced-up arse. The world saw it. And Da Manny doesn't need Hulkquez or Big Foot/the Cali Cranium Crusher. They are shot. And Da Manny did it. So they will fight one another in their peanut-prizefight shotfest for $2mil a piece come later this year.

Da Manny is getting down for a $25mil guarantee and upward of $65mil when he gets down in November and break every PPV-payout record known to mankind. And it is all about prizefighting, not pridefighting with roids and PEDs up your arse. Da Manny -- clean as a virgin -- makes more moola by the round than the roids-and-PEDs bytches have made in a career. Hate, anger and jealousy are for groupies who feed off the myths of their homies and heroes.

Play is for those who pay. And when they put roids and PEDs up in their arses, they will lay. Peterson was KTFO on dat syet. Hulkquez was on the way to getting KTFO on dat syet. He and Bradley are damage goods. Their shotfest is going to look like syet. Outta Rios, Da Manny is going to beat da Holy syet. Holla!

the Roast says:

I hope this means Real Talk will be checking in more often. Always was one of my faves from the old days. Come back AFN!

Radam G says:

Talking about checking in! Where is B-Sug, SouthPaul and SCLA Ali? Are they gone on a Caribbean cruise or something? Holla!

Radam G says:

BTW, are ducking and cherry picking suppose to adverse? People talking about the art of hurt business like it is a fatal assault. The great duckers and cherry pickers of all times are the ATGs. Danggit! It is too many to name. But let's start with the first black world heavyweight Jack Johnson. He said that he was drawing the Colored line" against Sam Langfort and Joe Jeanette. And instead cherry picked white fighters who would not give him the time of day before he won the title.

Sugar Say -- I mean Ray -- Robinson cherry picked short Italians five inches shorter than he with a slugging style and ducked tall boxing Irishmen and the whole "Black Murder Row."

GOAT Ali ducked Doug Jones after a controverial win and Ken Norton after two controverial verdicts. The GOAT cherry picked both Ken Norton and Leon Spinks the first bouts and paid big prices of defeat.

Everybodee and dey momma know Money May's cherry picking and ducking.

Wow! With the above, the skillet is calling tea kettle black.

I guess Da Manny is in good company with cherry picking and ducking. Holla!

Radam G says:

It is early in the morning, and I got cramps in arse and in my legs. Hahaha! Doctor Real Talk, do you think somebody slip some of dat syet -- steroid pellets and PEDs -- in my juice and food?! WTF! Hehehe! Danggit! Life is a bytch! Then you die.

I don't wanna die with cramps up in my @$$ and my legs. Holla at a quack! Tell dat byyyytttcchhh that I'm having an attack! Nyet! I'm just bullsyeting while drinking my steroid juice -- I mean coconut milk -- and shark blood. Good SHYT! Holla!

amayseng says:

Where do u buy shark blood?

Or does your 113 year old uncle wrestle it in shore with his teeth? Ha.

Radam G says:

Hahaha! Amayseng, that was a good one. But Tio Mamoy still has 28 of his 32 shark whites. He is one "BIG teeth muthapucker!' His words, not mine. When in the States, as I until next week, I buy my shark blood from the local Asian Food Markets and fishermen. I'm serious too. Shark blood is a popular Asian drink for energy and virtility. Betamax -- fried chicken blood in coconut oil -- is da bomb, though. And mixed with some purple yams, I will die for. Holla!

Carmine Cas says:

Sugar Ray Robinson did not fight a lot of the murder's row yes because it was dangerous but also because the timing was off, the fact is boxing isn't what used to be as far as the best fighting the best. I have stated this many a times in the past and I concur with Real Talk, Pacquiao is a farce at welterweight, all the catchweights and rehyrdation clauses are ridiculous. And is about pride fighting because the way manny is declining financially, all he'll have left is his legacy, which won't be much at welterweight.

Radam G says:

Cyberspace creeps and *ocksu*kers ain't got no game. And are lookin' for somebody to blame. Their lives are lame and they come to inflame. They are without shame, and will do anything for someone to call out their name [sic]. They have wasted their lives away. And nowadays any derogatory and inflammatory syet in cyberspace they will say. When they could, they didn't play. But it is okay. It makes their middle-age, didn't-do-syet-with-their-youth day.

They are fudged-up and psychological collateral damage. And are always in "uh nother [sic] LOVE T-K-O! And they don't have enough sense to let it GO! LET IT GO! LET IT GO! "It takes a fool to learn that LUV don't LUV nobodeeee!" As boxing doesn't!

The game is PRIZEFIGHTING! And it all about the PRIZE! And MAKING DA BIGGEST PRIZE! Not how I feel, you feel, your momma feels or your flat-booty cousin on crack feels. Knowing how da game work, many cyberhaters lack. So those in da know, always give 'em slack. They cannot help but to dimwittly attack. To ride with, they are always looking for a ____ ____ with a small nut sack. Holla!

Real Talk says:

Kick rocks with that weak spit stop.....you could never come close to the true tip top of the brass, you're not in my class, you on your head, must took that Manny Pac shot in the @__, I mean really? Did he come for this?!?!? You must be drinking shark blood mixed with Marquez p_$$, Get a grip, and hold that, cuz you got to come equipped and step ya game up if you wanna pop slick, ya not worthy ...but can get it early, before I even put it on they enshrined my jersey. You want me to kiss what like Larry?!!?! These size 11 a have ya @__ seeing stars and canary's. I think you should buckle up before ya start ya ignition, look deep before ya leap and play ya position, cuz aint no coming back if you taking this mission, I get it popping like fish grease in ya grandmama kitchen, is that oil under ya feet Radam G cuz ya slippin. Ya could be leaking and drippin from ya gas tank don't think you can't get ya @_$ spanked, did you pour that out the liter, fifth or the half pint? Slow down low down for you get closed down Let ME KNOW if you wanna go some more rounds, I'm high caliber like semi auto 4pounds, but you can play the hot shot and get hosed down....

Radam G says:

Good try! But I'm just so fly. You did okay. What can I say? There will always be what is real. And you know the deal. I'm on top. And the weaklings are in line for my slop. They can't step to my size seven. As God did satan, I throw 'em outta heaven. They fry in hell. And get on their he-bytches' yell. They cannot find their way, so they always wanna play, but straight out their arses I lay. With the whole truth, they can never stay. Their world is like Alice in Wonderland. And in their eyes, it is as they have sand. They can't see syet. And always end up falling in a snake pit. Adam and Eve were in The Garden of Eden where a snake was spittin' at them from a tree. Now in cyberspace, the weak is drinking various kinds of snake peepee. Holla!

munie589 says:

Sergio a counter puncher wtf???? In his prime days like the williams fights an pavlick he was constantlt a high volume puncher who used amazin movement i dont think id call him a counter puncher i think he just happens to counter puncher more so now but back then it was more offensive but ur def right the style that wins these days is the boxer counter puncher style.....gennady golovkin is effective on the attack, pacquiao use to be effective still is even tho he got koed ull never see him counter punch, but otherwise its hard to think of effectice offensive minded fighters.....am trying to think hmmm

munie589 says:

Ur def right especially about the klitschkos i dont get it there such massive men id just go in throw bombs lol....deontay wilder is a beast but idk if he can get either yet

munie589 says:

Yeah leo santa cruz can,easily throw 2000 punches if he were ina 12 rd fight witha guy who can last cuz he does have pop in his punches i def enjoy watching him fight....we saw mares box a bit more against ponce but when hes aggressive its very fun.....i havent seen vilora fight tho id like to isnt he fillipino, minus doniare most fillipinos are good aggressors

munie589 says:

Really i didnt even kno that an i plan on competing soon i guess thats kinda nice to know unless i get some mattyse type dude in which ill just pray

munie589 says:

Is hulquez a mock on the new jacked juan manuel marquez if so thats fucking hilarious hulkquez hahaha

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