NUMBER 5 ANYONE? Marquez Knocks Out Pacquiao |
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Sunday, 09 December 2012 00:52
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The sight of Manny, face buried in the canvas, motionless, was a shocker, and likely wins Marquez the BWAA fighter of the year award. Shall we book the fifth fight, friends? After Marquez said he would consider a fifth fight. Manny smiled as he talked to Larry Merchant. Did he get careless? Yes, he said. Manny said he didn't see the punch, and was overconfident in the round. He watched the KO replay, eating the right over a slipped jab. He said Marquez is not easy to hit or stop. "I did my best, but that's boxing, that's sports," he said. Was he too aggressive? No, he said, he just got overconfident, he reiterated. He said he didn't expect that punch at that time. Will he continue? Yes, and a rematch is a "good fight. If they give me the chance we will fight again," he said. Marquez shocked Manny fans with a knockdown of the Congressman in the third, but before and after that, Manny looked sharp, and mobile and like the "old" Manny. Pacquiao (54-4-2; age 33, turns 34 on Dec. 17; from the Philippines) was 147 and 151 today, and Marquez (54-6-1; age 39; from Mexico) was 143 on Friday, and 148 on fight night. In the first, Manny landed a few clean, hard shots, and looked active and energized. He moved his head more then we'd seen recently and Marquez wasn't that peppy. In the second, Manny again was sharp and quick. A one-two landed clean on Marquez' face, and the Mexican didn't look warmed up. In the third, a long right sent Manny down. There was 1:04 left. Manny's head cleared but he lost the round. Left hooks to the body were landing before that for JMM. In the fourth, Pacman got back to work. He looked to land uppercuts. There were some solid trades in this one. Nacho Beristain asked for more attacking and combo after the round. In the fifth, a left sent Marquez down. His left glove touched. There was 1:40 left. JMM got buzzed with less than a minute left. A right hook did that damage. In the sixth, blood poured from the Mexican's nose. But a right hand put Manny on his face. Check back for David Avila's ringside report. the Roast says:
Shocker! What will the legendary Radam G have to say about this? ali says:
Timed that wild ****$ coming in wow!! Radam my condolences ali says:
U can't say Marquez is on PEDs without proof DaveB says:
Man, epic is the right word. Pacquaio was knocked out cold. I was worried about him until they got him turned over. He was left for dead. He was winning the fight as the round ended. When he came out with the head movement in the first round and the HBO crew was going crazy talking about how he was winning because he was freezing Marquez, I was saying this is what Marquez does. He loses the first round, starts to figure out his strategy in the second, and then goes about closing the gap and possibly winning the fight. I have to hand it to Marquez that was devastating and I didn't see it ending the way it did when it did. I wonder if they will fight again. amayseng says:
U can't say Marquez is on PEDs without proof then turn around and get mad when Pac was being accused PEDs without proof that would make u a hypocrite well when you for one invite in a new trainer who plead guilty to, admitted and testified against turning evidence putting his own friends in prison for peds, admittingly professed knowing how to beat OLYmpic tests, then at near 40 you all of a sudden have 2 percent body fat and gain 7 lbs of straight muscle in months then yes you open your self up for suspicion. add into the fact that now you are a one punch killer with devestating power... i guess maybe for those who have not been to the elite level of sport they dont have first hand knowledge through peers of how peds can really work, but they do... i have always had fantastic hand speed and power hitting baseballs. hell i hit a ball over 480" in high school...in college guys can barely get them to the fence, get on peds and in the gym and a year later they are hitting 400' shots.... ive seen it first hand...... dino da vinci says:
They will fight again. Pacquiao will open a -180 favorite which boggles my mind since Marquez may have won all four. Radam G says:
Really SCLA Ali! You crack me up. Who in the double fudge died? That is boxing. It takes one punch. And You can pack your lunch. The haters got what they wanted. I will never use the roids-and PEDs excuse. Da Manny got caught as in a long line of pugilists. Ezzard Charles got caught by Jersey Joe Walcott. Jerry Joe got caught by Rocky Marciano, to name a couple. Terry Norris got caught three times by opponents, and then came right back and kayoed them in the next bouts. Gene Fulner (name misspelled) got kayoed by Sugar Ray Robinson and came back. He was 2-1-1 against SRR. riverside says:
Really SCLA Ali! You crack me up. Who in the double fudge died? That is boxing. It takes one punch. And You can pack your lunch. The haters got what they wanted. I will never use the roids-and PEDs excuse. Da Manny got caught as in a long line of pugilists. Ezzard Charles got caught by Jersey Joe Walcott. Jerry Joe got caught by Rocky Marciano, to name a couple. Terry Norris got caught three times by opponents, and then came right back and kayoed them in the next bouts. Gene Fulner (name misspelled) got kayoed by Sugar Ray Robinson and came back. He was 2-1-1 against SRR. A sneak right hand kayoed Da Manny, not roids or PEDs. That syet doesn't think. The thinking brain of Marquez is the culprit. And I will always call a spade a spade, and not hide in shadows or shade. There is always the BIG PAYBACK! Holla! prop calling like it is!! Carmine Cas says:
Wow. Heart of a champion and brains of a genius. Marquez got knocked down but got back up and finished his opponent. Pacquiao looked good but Dinamita timed him perfectly despite being bloody and battered. What a warrior. DaveB says:
John Tate got caught by Mike Weaver, Liston got caught by Leotis Martin, Roy Jones got caught by Tarver. I thought in a couple of rounds or less Pacquaio was going to win by stoppage but Marquez did what he did and that's boxing. Congrats to him for a well deserved victory. If Pac comes back or not kudos to an excellent career beyond his wildest dreams. Same goes for Marquez. That was a really good fight no matter who knocked who out. The under card stunk so it was good to get an excellent fight for the main event. brownsugar says:
My Quote from 4 hours before the fight brownsugar says:
John Tate got caught by Mike Weaver, Liston got caught by Leotis Martin, Roy Jones got caught by Tarver. I thought in a couple of rounds or less Pacquaio was going to win by stoppage but Marquez did what he did and that's boxing. Congrats to him for a well deserved victory. If Pac comes back or not kudos to an excellent career beyond his wildest dreams. Same goes for Marquez. That was a really good fight no matter who knocked who out. The under card stunk so it was good to get an excellent fight for the main event. nice words.. I was looking forward to seeing Fortuna and Gamboa,.. neither had their best night... and lets not even talk about Vasquez. but like you said DaveB Marquez/Paq made up for the lack of excitement preceding the main event. Radam G says:
I'm just hoping that the powers that be stanks don't all a sudden become self-righteous and find usual amounts of substances in Marquez's after-the-bout pi$$ tests. Let it go! It is just another luv T-K-O! Big Daddy says:
Hey Radamn! WHO'S THE REAL CANVASS KISSER NOW? BWAHAHAHAHA!!!! tlig says:
Get real guys. JMM is on PEDs. Manny probably is as well. It's a shame but until someone gets killed or badly injured boxing wouldn't do anything about the problem. I would like to say I'm excited and even impressed by this win but I'd be lying. There's a asterisk to it in my opinion. Radam G says:
MANY! Take your meds for leukodsytrophy. You will get over her. Haha! Hehe! Don't be mad. Love hurts. Holla! teaser says:
wow !! They promised a knock out and delivered !! too bad my guy lost but man it's all about the fight ...thank you Juan and Manny !! Shoulder Roll Defense says:
What a total shocker last night. I expected Marquez to win by decision, not by a brutal one punch KO! With this win, Marquez has put himself in the discussion to mentioned as ARGUABLY the greatest Mexican boxer of all-time. My top three has shifted and is the following: 1. J. Marquez, 2. S. Sanchez, and 3. JCC Sr. deepwater says:
Mitt Romney showed up and shook manny hand before the fight. Romney jinxed him. Only way to explain it. Radam G says:
@Amayseng and deepwater, I don't believe that the roids/PEDs or the Romney jinx got Da Manny. It was clearly a well-placed-on-the-jaw sucker punch. Marquez knew at the 10-second warning buzzer for the end of the round that Da Manny was coming. Marquez calmly step back, Da Manny was ¢o¢ksurefully bumrushing without an ounce of caution, and KaBANG! Goodnight, SWEET PRINCE!!! Lights out! kidcanvas says:
marquez was ready to go himself and he said that .. but he thru the perfect shot at the right time intentionally ... well done juan.... gamboa ?? sucks! i wanted to take a nap if it wasnt for forensa.... pac vs marquez 5 ..im ready ali says:
well when you for one invite in a new trainer who plead guilty to, admitted and testified against turning evidence putting his own friends in prison for peds, admittingly professed knowing how to beat OLYmpic tests, then at near 40 you all of a sudden have 2 percent body fat and gain 7 lbs of straight muscle in months then yes you open your self up for suspicion. add into the fact that now you are a one punch killer with devestating power... i guess maybe for those who have not been to the elite level of sport they dont have first hand knowledge through peers of how peds can really work, but they do... i have always had fantastic hand speed and power hitting baseballs. hell i hit a ball over 480" in high school...in college guys can barely get them to the fence, get on peds and in the gym and a year later they are hitting 400' shots.... ive seen it first hand...... Listen I believe Marquez is using PEDs now but at the end of the day we don't have proof. Just because your strength and conditioning coach was busted once for roids doesn't automatically mean your still breaking up to no good. Just because Ariza has never been busted does mean he ain't doing nothing illegal. What's crazy is even with all the fight getting caught using PEDs neither one of them asked for Olympic style drug testing go figure. ali says:
They will fight again. Pacquiao will open a -180 favorite which boggles my mind since Marquez may have won all four. Pacquiao is a ridiculously classy man as evidenced by the way he conducted himself on this fights conclusion. It ended for him the way the Pac-Hatton fight ended for Hatton. Prizefighters truly are amazing athletes and men. real talk ali says:
well when you for one invite in a new trainer who plead guilty to, admitted and testified against turning evidence putting his own friends in prison for peds, admittingly professed knowing how to beat OLYmpic tests, then at near 40 you all of a sudden have 2 percent body fat and gain 7 lbs of straight muscle in months then yes you open your self up for suspicion. add into the fact that now you are a one punch killer with devestating power... i guess maybe for those who have not been to the elite level of sport they dont have first hand knowledge through peers of how peds can really work, but they do... i have always had fantastic hand speed and power hitting baseballs. hell i hit a ball over 480" in high school...in college guys can barely get them to the fence, get on peds and in the gym and a year later they are hitting 400' shots.... ive seen it first hand...... Listen I believe Marquez is using PEDs now but at the end of the day we don't have proof. Just because your strength and conditioning coach was busted once for roids doesn't automatically mean your still up to no good. Just because Ariza has never been busted does mean he ain't doing nothing illegal. What's crazy is even with all the fight getting caught using PEDs neither one of them asked for Olympic style drug testing go figure. Radam G says:
Just so that you know, SCLA Ali, Olympic testing syet does not WORK. Angel Heredia beat the syet out that system. If he would not have ever come forward, everyone of the users -- in track and field -- would have gotten away scott free. Those athletes fudged him out of his moolah. And that is why he became a government snitch for protection and some sweet BIG Uncle Sam compensation and no jail time. Sounds similar to what Fiddy did with being a pusher man. Radam G says:
And let me not forget FloJo! Holla! ali says:
Radam I agree with u good post but at least take the test Radam G says:
Selected ones have been caught and published. The protected ones pay up, so that they can avoid detection and/or get an alibi by corrupted experts. Once again, get rid of the roids-and-PEDs carrying conditioning trainers. And on down the road dat syet will scat. amayseng says:
If all that was or is the standard for testing is a ursine test right before brownsugar says:
I'm not understanding why PED's have to come into the picture... Marquez weighed 144 for Mayweather, that was 4 or 5 years ago. Radam G says:
Hehe! C'mon Amayseng! You get it from up in the brain, not off the roids-and-PEDs train. I'm going to stick with hollering that Marquez used great sweet science skullduggery to reverse the thrashing that he was getting and thus, was able to slay Da Manny. Robert Curtis says:
Manny got sloppy around a wounded animal, and paid the price. Marquez threw a textbook counter-shot. There was nothing lucky about it. That punch was automatic, precise, and would have dropped a water buffalo. I'm happy for Juan, Nacho, and the whole JMM team. I love da Manny, but he went Hollywood years ago. I don't know if he can ever come back to earth. IF Freddie gives him a pass for another fight, I'd offer this advice: How about keeping the fricking celebrities out of the damned Wild Card? He had everybody but Lady Gaga up in there. Or maybe she was there and I missed it? At this rate, a Pacman/Gaga duet would not surprise me. Maybe Manny should only fight in movies now like that brave sky marshall Mark Wahlberg? I would be interested in a rematch. If Manny stops huffing the bubblegum fumes of his own rainbow farts, he could probably avenge JMM's KO with one of his own. bigstinkybug says:
Manny got sloppy around a wounded animal, and paid the price. Marquez threw a textbook counter-shot. There was nothing lucky about it. That punch was automatic, precise, and would have dropped a water buffalo. I'm happy for Juan, Nacho, and the whole JMM team. I love da Manny, but he went Hollywood years ago. I don't know if he can ever come back to earth. IF Freddie gives him a pass for another fight, I'd offer this advice: How about keeping the fricking celebrities out of the damned Wild Card? He had everybody but Lady Gaga up in there. Or maybe she was there and I missed it? At this rate, a Pacman/Gaga duet would not surprise me. Maybe Manny should only fight in movies now like that brave sky marshall Mark Wahlberg? I would be interested in a rematch. If Manny stops huffing the bubblegum fumes of his own rainbow farts, he could probably avenge JMM's KO with one of his own. *i [COLOR="#FF0000">like ur points... the bottom line, and Manny said as much, is manny got reckless and paid for it. Radam G says:
Whaddup, Bobby C.? They will listen to you, but not to me. BTW, Lady Gaga has made a call. Don't be hatin' on her! Holla! SouthPaul says:
I'm feeling what Brown Suga' and Robert Curtis are typing. Shaking my head at the rest of you PED accusers. No real evidence of it yet y'all done convicted Marquez. Whack! Whack! Whack! Glad Mr Curtis covered the lucky thing. It ain't never luck in the fight game. You get in the ring with the goal to throw a lunch and land it. When you accomplish that ain't got nothing to do with luck. Luck is me walking of out Of my DC hotel room and finding a bag full of cash before I get a cab to the airport. Anybow, great fight, jaw dropping ending and annoyed with all you suckas' talking PED. Blah. Radam G says:
You will watch a bout V, even though you don't want to, SouthPaul. That pugilism addiction will make you watch these guys tangle for as many fights as they have. Fight five is coming. Holla! Shoulder Roll Defense says:
Nobody is really talking about the horrible year Freddie Roach fighters are having. Freddie is a offensive minded trainer with very little to offer defensively. He is a good trainer, but far from great in my opinion. The object of the sport is to "hit and not get hit," which is something Freddie Roach fighters have a problem doing! Robert Curtis says:
Nobody is really talking about the horrible year Freddie Roach fighters are having. Freddie is a offensive minded trainer with very little to offer defensively. He is a good trainer, but far from great in my opinion. The object of the sport is to "hit and not get hit," which is something Freddie Roach fighters have a problem doing! "Far from great." How far? Can you Mapquest it? Talk about hitting a man when he's down. amayseng says:
Just like the writer and established Steve Kim said yesterday, ali says:
Amayseng, Arum, Pac, & Roach knew all of this before the fight happened so why didn't they ask for random drug testing? Is it because they know Pac won't pass a drug test either? Think about Amayseng it doesn't make sense for them not to ask for randomtesting if they think there fighter is clean. Radam G says:
SCLA ALI, they did not ask for a test because that syet doesn't matter. Roids don't win fights. Money May is on 'em. He has never taken a true random test. And Da Manny doesn't take that syet, as SOG doesn't. Money May is the Barry Bonds of boxing. And you cannot accept it. Holla! amayseng says:
Amayseng, Arum, Pac, & Roach knew all of this before the fight happened so why didn't they ask for random drug testing? Is it because they know Pac won't pass a drug test either? Think about Amayseng it doesn't make sense for them not to ask for randomtesting if they think there fighter is clean. I understand your point Ali to an extent However pac has always displayed a genetically ripped physique while moving up and always been a one punch knockout artist as well. Jmm is all of a sudden a physical specimen and now a one punch killer I think the force of the knockdown in round 3 is just as telling as the knockout punch That shot in round three had so much force it sent PAC flying to his back With his feet flying up. Jmm never had that power before. He always always an accumulation and combination knockout puncher Radam G says:
Check out Marquez's bout against Houston's Juan Diaz, Amayseng. JMM always could hit. He just caught Da Manny at the right times. Holla! Radam G says:
BTW, Marquez was damaged pretty badly. He suffered a broken nose, hairline fractures in his eye sockets and there are rumors about a slightly collapse lung. Being muscular gave him no padding effect. Holla! ali says:
If Mayweather is on PEDs (which I believe he's not) then they do work cause he's still undefeated. Radam G says:
He is undefeated because of mad skills, and cherry picking the right fighter at the ideal time. Holla! Radam G says:
Money May, as most fighters are on dat syet for body appearance. Tim Bradley is still undefeated. He is all dat syet too. It doesn,t give him punching power, 'cause it doesn't work that way. Holla! ali says:
Amayseng your right about Marquez all of sudden having one punch KO power.But Pac was moving up in weight and knocking guys out with 1 punch. Who has everdone that in the history of boxing nobody. Pac went from 106 to 150 and was still hurting guys with still chins like margacheato that what makes me suspicious. ali says:
Radam not everybody with cuts and muscles are using PEDs come on man marvelous Marvin was ripped up was he using too ? ultimoshogun says:
I got nothing much to add here, just a big WOW! Major props to Radam for not making any BS excuses and pulling the PED card. Amayseng, go back and watch the two first fights, Marquez has rocked Pacquiao before...no, he he didin't go down, but his legs buckled for a second. The KO punch was just a perfect counter, the combo of Manny's momentum moving forward and that punch made for a huge impact that put his lights out. Had it happened the other way around it probably woulda been Marquez out on the canvas. Radam G says:
It is called genetic, SCLA Ali. Hagler naturally always had those muscles. He still does. My 109-year-old Uncle Mamoy is ripped. There are several members of my family and tribe in their 70s, 80s and 90s who are ripped. That rippedness was always there. It didn't come in four months from allegedly lifting weights. I've never lifted weights, and in my late 30s, I'm ripped. Ripped is a lifetime, not in four months. Matter of fact, my five-year-old is ripped. It must be the natural roids in the balut, rice and noodles. Radam G says:
SCLA ALI, quit being an Uncle Roger May's mouthpiece. Da Manny was 105 lbs when he was 16-years old. Tommy Hearns fought in the U.S. National Golden Gloves when he was 16-year-old and 106 lbs. The Mandingo Warrior James Kirkland, at 16-years old and 95lbs, lost to the "Filipino Flash" in the U.S. National Junior Olympic. Money May was a 106 lbs when he won the National Golden Gloves at 16 year old. Radam G says:
All the above, that I mentioned, moved up in weight from 16 years old, and can knock an arse out with one punch. Punchers are born and don't lose their punching power from weight gain. That syet is a myth that do. As lomg as they can get decent speed on that punch: Good fudging night, sweet prince. Holla! mortcola says:
1. The obsession with unfounded (i.e. imaginary) PED allegations has got to stop. Test all you want. But the months and months of people wasting time with "IMO he did/didn't" arguments is just a turn-off from intelligent boxing discussion. No facts, no point. Test and find out. Then back to boxing. Radam G says:
Doc Mortcola, it will not end until one of the scribes explain the nature of legal and illegal roids and PEDs. Vitamins are legal PEDs for instance. L-Arginine, Maca and glucomannan, dehydroepiandrosterone, creatine, gugulipid and L-glutamine are allowable steroids/supplements/amino acids. And using them excessively in the right combo can served as masking agents for the quick-fix illegal steriods/supplements/PEDs. SouthPaul says:
Lmao @ Radam's 5 year old son being ripped. Classic post. Good contribution by everyone, even those I'm disagreeing with. For 'da love of TSS! Got to watch this fight with some long boxing friends from the DC area. Lovely stuff. Back in Cali now ... Left the dc rain in the rearview mirror ...landed to the Cali sunshine. Nothing like home! Thats wassup. maromero says:
I just saw a boxing show where Oscar and Chavez Sr were talking about how Marquez never looked as good with any fighter as he did with Pacquiao.I think he did a great job with Diaz but thats a different class fighter.Against Barrera he looked good but he didnt convince me that he could have beat a prime Barrera.I guess JMM is in his prime right now and he can put up a great fight against anyone except Floyd.But idk if he will focus and train like he did or the Pacquiao fight ever again,he reached the Mountain Top SouthPaul says:
Amayseng your right about Marquez all of sudden having one punch KO power.But Pac was moving up in weight and knocking guys out with 1 punch. Who has everdone that in the history of boxing nobody. Pac went from 106 to 150 and was still hurting guys with still chins like margacheato that what makes me suspicious. With all due respect to Amayseng, he's wrong in saying all of sudden Marquez is a one punch ko artist. It took 40 summin' rounds and thousands of punches thrown to land that ko shot. He's wrong in what he's saying about Marquez added muscle. There isn't no dramatic change if you paid attention from 2004. Both fighters added normal weight and muscle gain. I use the fight footage as my evidence. Watch all 4 fights and you'll notice subtle change from one bout to the next. Is Amayseng really trying to tell us that I can lose 30 pounds in 6 months adding muscle and changing my overal appreance so much so that when I use my old ID am barley recognizable ..doing all that PED free but we arent somehow to believe a word class athlete like Marquez can't accomplishment it over a decade and over the course of his entire career? If that's what he's telling us then imma' have to seriously question what this cat knows about getting in shape. Be suspicious ... Plenty of reason to be but let's not go exggerating to the point of seriously sounding goofy! MARK LENNOX says:
Give Marquez credit for a well rehearsed shot. No man is an island ! Happy to see that Pacquiao was given the all clear at the hospital.
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Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel fought for the fourth time, this time on Saturday evening at the MGM, and this scrap was the best of the four. Marquez, blood pouring from his nose, having been knocked down in the fifth, landed a counter right, and it sent Manny to the mat, face first. He didn't arise to beat the count. The end came at 2:59 of the sixth for the Filipino.
Beat me to it, scribe. What an f-in' exciting fight, and an incredible ending. Pac fought an optimal, beautiful, dominant fight. And Marquez, class act and cool head, didn't miss an opportunity. As a Pac fan, I am upset, but this ending is beautiful the way truth is beautiful. Good on ya, mate.