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NUMBER 5 ANYONE? Marquez Knocks Out Pacquiao

BY Michael Woods ON December 09, 2012
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Pacquiao Marquez weighin 121207 002aManny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel fought for the fourth time, this time on Saturday evening at the MGM, and this scrap was the best of the four. Marquez, blood pouring from his nose, having been knocked down in the fifth, landed a counter right, and it sent Manny to the mat, face first. He didn't arise to beat the count. The end came at 2:59 of the sixth for the Filipino.

The sight of Manny, face buried in the canvas, motionless, was a shocker, and likely wins Marquez the BWAA fighter of the year award.

Shall we book the fifth fight, friends?

After Marquez said he would consider a fifth fight. Manny smiled as he talked to Larry Merchant. Did he get careless? Yes, he said. Manny said he didn't see the punch, and was overconfident in the round. He watched the KO replay, eating the right over a slipped jab. He said Marquez is not easy to hit or stop. "I did my best, but that's boxing, that's sports," he said. Was he too aggressive? No, he said, he just got overconfident, he reiterated. He said he didn't expect that punch at that time. Will he continue? Yes, and a rematch is a "good fight. If they give me the chance we will fight again," he said.

Marquez shocked Manny fans with a knockdown of the Congressman in the third, but before and after that, Manny looked sharp, and mobile and like the "old" Manny.

Pacquiao (54-4-2; age 33, turns 34 on Dec. 17; from the Philippines) was 147 and 151 today, and Marquez (54-6-1; age 39; from Mexico) was 143 on Friday, and 148 on fight night.

In the first, Manny landed a few clean, hard shots, and looked active and energized. He moved his head more then we'd seen recently and Marquez wasn't that peppy.

In the second, Manny again was sharp and quick. A one-two landed clean on Marquez' face, and the Mexican didn't look warmed up.

In the third, a long right sent Manny down. There was 1:04 left. Manny's head cleared but he lost the round. Left hooks to the body were landing before that for JMM.

In the fourth, Pacman got back to work. He looked to land uppercuts. There were some solid trades in this one. Nacho Beristain asked for more attacking and combo after the round.

In the fifth, a left sent Marquez down. His left glove touched. There was 1:40 left. JMM got buzzed with less than a minute left. A right hook did that damage.

In the sixth, blood poured from the Mexican's nose. But a right hand put Manny on his face.

Check back for David Avila's ringside report.

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mortcola says:

Beat me to it, scribe. What an f-in' exciting fight, and an incredible ending. Pac fought an optimal, beautiful, dominant fight. And Marquez, class act and cool head, didn't miss an opportunity. As a Pac fan, I am upset, but this ending is beautiful the way truth is beautiful. Good on ya, mate.

the Roast says:

Shocker! What will the legendary Radam G have to say about this?

ali says:

Timed that wild ****$ coming in wow!! Radam my condolences

ali says:

U can't say Marquez is on PEDs without proof
then turn around and get mad when Pac was being accused
PEDs without proof that would make u a hypocrite

DaveB says:

Man, epic is the right word. Pacquaio was knocked out cold. I was worried about him until they got him turned over. He was left for dead. He was winning the fight as the round ended. When he came out with the head movement in the first round and the HBO crew was going crazy talking about how he was winning because he was freezing Marquez, I was saying this is what Marquez does. He loses the first round, starts to figure out his strategy in the second, and then goes about closing the gap and possibly winning the fight. I have to hand it to Marquez that was devastating and I didn't see it ending the way it did when it did. I wonder if they will fight again.

amayseng says:

U can't say Marquez is on PEDs without proof
then turn around and get mad when Pac was being accused
PEDs without proof that would make u a hypocrite


well when you for one invite in a new trainer who plead guilty to, admitted and testified against turning evidence putting his own friends in prison for peds, admittingly professed knowing how to beat OLYmpic tests, then at near 40 you all of a sudden have 2 percent body fat and gain 7 lbs of straight muscle in months then yes you open your self up for suspicion.

add into the fact that now you are a one punch killer with devestating power...

i guess maybe for those who have not been to the elite level of sport they dont have first hand knowledge through peers of how peds can really work, but they do...

i have always had fantastic hand speed and power hitting baseballs. hell i hit a ball over 480" in high school...in college guys can barely get them to the fence, get on peds and in the gym and
a year later they are hitting 400' shots....

ive seen it first hand......

dino da vinci says:

They will fight again. Pacquiao will open a -180 favorite which boggles my mind since Marquez may have won all four.
Pacquiao is a ridiculously classy man as evidenced by the way he conducted himself on this fights conclusion. It ended for him the way the Pac-Hatton fight ended for Hatton. Prizefighters truly are amazing athletes and men.

Radam G says:

Really SCLA Ali! You crack me up. Who in the double fudge died? That is boxing. It takes one punch. And You can pack your lunch. The haters got what they wanted. I will never use the roids-and PEDs excuse. Da Manny got caught as in a long line of pugilists. Ezzard Charles got caught by Jersey Joe Walcott. Jerry Joe got caught by Rocky Marciano, to name a couple. Terry Norris got caught three times by opponents, and then came right back and kayoed them in the next bouts. Gene Fulner (name misspelled) got kayoed by Sugar Ray Robinson and came back. He was 2-1-1 against SRR.

A sneak right hand kayoed Da Manny, not roids or PEDs. That syet doesn't think. The thinking brain of Marquez is the culprit. And I will always call a spade a spade, and not hide in shadows or shade. There is always the BIG PAYBACK! Holla!

riverside says:

Really SCLA Ali! You crack me up. Who in the double fudge died? That is boxing. It takes one punch. And You can pack your lunch. The haters got what they wanted. I will never use the roids-and PEDs excuse. Da Manny got caught as in a long line of pugilists. Ezzard Charles got caught by Jersey Joe Walcott. Jerry Joe got caught by Rocky Marciano, to name a couple. Terry Norris got caught three times by opponents, and then came right back and kayoed them in the next bouts. Gene Fulner (name misspelled) got kayoed by Sugar Ray Robinson and came back. He was 2-1-1 against SRR.

A sneak right hand kayoed Da Manny, not roids or PEDs. That syet doesn't think. The thinking brain of Marquez is the culprit. And I will always call a spade a spade, and not hide in shadows or shade. There is always the BIG PAYBACK! Holla!


prop calling like it is!!

Carmine Cas says:

Wow. Heart of a champion and brains of a genius. Marquez got knocked down but got back up and finished his opponent. Pacquiao looked good but Dinamita timed him perfectly despite being bloody and battered. What a warrior.

DaveB says:

John Tate got caught by Mike Weaver, Liston got caught by Leotis Martin, Roy Jones got caught by Tarver. I thought in a couple of rounds or less Pacquaio was going to win by stoppage but Marquez did what he did and that's boxing. Congrats to him for a well deserved victory. If Pac comes back or not kudos to an excellent career beyond his wildest dreams. Same goes for Marquez. That was a really good fight no matter who knocked who out. The under card stunk so it was good to get an excellent fight for the main event.

brownsugar says:

My Quote from 4 hours before the fight

"I believe something totally different will happen tonight.
There a unique set of dynamics for change.
If Paq can't get him by the 7th round... I think Marquez will finish strong if he hasn't slipped too much.
Above all, there will be a clear and decisive winner tonight... I would like to see Marquez get the nod.. just on the strength of his super obsessive efforts to prove himself(and being cheated on the last fight like Paq was).
But I wouldn't be disappointed if Paq wins. as I have no real favorite between the 2".

I didn't buy the last fight... but I bought this one against my own tightwad instincts feeling that history would be made with a conclusive ending this time... and no I don't think I'm some kind of clairvoyant..... I never bet a dime on the sport..... But if you keep going to the BARBER SHOP eventually you'll get a haircut
I guarantee you Marquez was so obsessed he was probably shadow boxing to a Manny Hologram every night.

I'm so glad I had the opportunity to watch it,.. So much drama, action and strategy...

Marquez burns with fierce pride that seems to keep him afloat when he gets hurt...Marquez becomes very lucent when hurt... ultra aware of his opponent and his surroundings just when he looks like he's almost ready to go... the Mexican Warrior feeds off his adrenalin better than any athlete I've witnessed in this generation..and is probably one of the most dangerous fighters when hurt since Larry Holmes.

Remember when Marquez seemed to be getting the worst of it against Juan "Baby Bull" Diaz,.. Casamayor, and Katsidis?

Pac can hold his head high however... it was a good fight and he conducted himself like a true champion with honor... nothing more can be asked of him... whether he wants to continue in the ring or not it's his business.
Whatever the choice he'll be remembered as one of the great ones.

Like Mortcola said...Boxing is Beautiful.

brownsugar says:

John Tate got caught by Mike Weaver, Liston got caught by Leotis Martin, Roy Jones got caught by Tarver. I thought in a couple of rounds or less Pacquaio was going to win by stoppage but Marquez did what he did and that's boxing. Congrats to him for a well deserved victory. If Pac comes back or not kudos to an excellent career beyond his wildest dreams. Same goes for Marquez. That was a really good fight no matter who knocked who out. The under card stunk so it was good to get an excellent fight for the main event.


nice words.. I was looking forward to seeing Fortuna and Gamboa,.. neither had their best night... and lets not even talk about Vasquez.
but like you said DaveB Marquez/Paq made up for the lack of excitement preceding the main event.

Radam G says:

I'm just hoping that the powers that be stanks don't all a sudden become self-righteous and find usual amounts of substances in Marquez's after-the-bout pi$$ tests. Let it go! It is just another luv T-K-O!

You knew the deal before the bout. And out, you did not shout. The game is "The threatre of the unexpected." I got a strange feeling that Angel Heredia is going to be cornered. The jury is still out on the Nevada Boxing Commission. But I smell a rat. And the right prize will make that smell vanish. Holla!

Big Daddy says:

Hey Radamn! WHO'S THE REAL CANVASS KISSER NOW? BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!

tlig says:

Get real guys. JMM is on PEDs. Manny probably is as well. It's a shame but until someone gets killed or badly injured boxing wouldn't do anything about the problem. I would like to say I'm excited and even impressed by this win but I'd be lying. There's a asterisk to it in my opinion.

Radam G says:

MANY! Take your meds for leukodsytrophy. You will get over her. Haha! Hehe! Don't be mad. Love hurts. Holla!

teaser says:

wow !! They promised a knock out and delivered !! too bad my guy lost but man it's all about the fight ...thank you Juan and Manny !!

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

What a total shocker last night. I expected Marquez to win by decision, not by a brutal one punch KO! With this win, Marquez has put himself in the discussion to mentioned as ARGUABLY the greatest Mexican boxer of all-time. My top three has shifted and is the following: 1. J. Marquez, 2. S. Sanchez, and 3. JCC Sr.

I'm also curious of the aftermath that last night's fight will have on the fight game. Will Mayweather and Marquez fight again? That rematch seems a little more interesting to me after last night's result. Will Manny retire? This might be his best option because he might not ever be the same, i.e. Ricky Hatton. Will Floyd offer Pacquiao a fight with a smaller split because Manny wouldn't have any leverage to bargain with? Floyd is sitting back somewhere right now with a smile on his face and Roger is probably telling anybody that will listen, "Y'all don't know sh*t about boxing, my nephew would have f**ked him up worst than that!"

deepwater says:

Mitt Romney showed up and shook manny hand before the fight. Romney jinxed him. Only way to explain it.

Radam G says:

@Amayseng and deepwater, I don't believe that the roids/PEDs or the Romney jinx got Da Manny. It was clearly a well-placed-on-the-jaw sucker punch. Marquez knew at the 10-second warning buzzer for the end of the round that Da Manny was coming. Marquez calmly step back, Da Manny was ¢o¢ksurefully bumrushing without an ounce of caution, and KaBANG! Goodnight, SWEET PRINCE!!! Lights out!

Moral of the fight game story, don't be a reckless lout, or you will become a self-fulfilling prophesy of what the haters shout. It is time to man up and suck it up and full speed ahead with a lesson learned.

As the great Admiral Perry said: "D@MN that torpedo! Full speed ahead!"

Da Manny days -- I mean happy days -- are coming again. "Palad ta ang nagbuot!" Holla!

kidcanvas says:

marquez was ready to go himself and he said that .. but he thru the perfect shot at the right time intentionally ... well done juan.... gamboa ?? sucks! i wanted to take a nap if it wasnt for forensa.... pac vs marquez 5 ..im ready

ali says:

well when you for one invite in a new trainer who plead guilty to, admitted and testified against turning evidence putting his own friends in prison for peds, admittingly professed knowing how to beat OLYmpic tests, then at near 40 you all of a sudden have 2 percent body fat and gain 7 lbs of straight muscle in months then yes you open your self up for suspicion.

add into the fact that now you are a one punch killer with devestating power...

i guess maybe for those who have not been to the elite level of sport they dont have first hand knowledge through peers of how peds can really work, but they do...

i have always had fantastic hand speed and power hitting baseballs. hell i hit a ball over 480" in high school...in college guys can barely get them to the fence, get on peds and in the gym and
a year later they are hitting 400' shots....

ive seen it first hand......

Listen I believe Marquez is using PEDs now but at the end of the day we don't have proof. Just because your strength and conditioning coach was busted once for roids doesn't automatically mean your still breaking up to no good. Just because Ariza has never been busted does mean he ain't doing nothing illegal. What's crazy is even with all the fight getting caught using PEDs neither one of them asked for Olympic style drug testing go figure.

ali says:

They will fight again. Pacquiao will open a -180 favorite which boggles my mind since Marquez may have won all four.
Pacquiao is a ridiculously classy man as evidenced by the way he conducted himself on this fights conclusion. It ended for him the way the Pac-Hatton fight ended for Hatton. Prizefighters truly are amazing athletes and men.

real talk

ali says:

well when you for one invite in a new trainer who plead guilty to, admitted and testified against turning evidence putting his own friends in prison for peds, admittingly professed knowing how to beat OLYmpic tests, then at near 40 you all of a sudden have 2 percent body fat and gain 7 lbs of straight muscle in months then yes you open your self up for suspicion.

add into the fact that now you are a one punch killer with devestating power...

i guess maybe for those who have not been to the elite level of sport they dont have first hand knowledge through peers of how peds can really work, but they do...

i have always had fantastic hand speed and power hitting baseballs. hell i hit a ball over 480" in high school...in college guys can barely get them to the fence, get on peds and in the gym and
a year later they are hitting 400' shots....

ive seen it first hand......

Listen I believe Marquez is using PEDs now but at the end of the day we don't have proof. Just because your strength and conditioning coach was busted once for roids doesn't automatically mean your still up to no good. Just because Ariza has never been busted does mean he ain't doing nothing illegal. What's crazy is even with all the fight getting caught using PEDs neither one of them asked for Olympic style drug testing go figure.

Radam G says:

Just so that you know, SCLA Ali, Olympic testing syet does not WORK. Angel Heredia beat the syet out that system. If he would not have ever come forward, everyone of the users -- in track and field -- would have gotten away scott free. Those athletes fudged him out of his moolah. And that is why he became a government snitch for protection and some sweet BIG Uncle Sam compensation and no jail time. Sounds similar to what Fiddy did with being a pusher man.

Check under your toe nails, SCLA Ali. Dirt is d@mn everywhere. And more people don't even know that. They don't clean under their toe nails or cut those bytches off. MY POINT IS:

Get rid of those bytch-@$$ conditioning trainers, and roids and PEDs using will ease on down da road. Don't you know that a lot of athletes have early deaths because of that syet. See! The powers that be keep jive secret because of the moolah to be pocketed. (That's why they hide the many times that Money May has shown up dirty.) I remember Lyle A of the Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders when I was a kid. Maybe I will spit that story one of these days. Holla!

Radam G says:

And let me not forget FloJo! Holla!

ali says:

Radam I agree with u good post but at least take the test
cuz fighters have been caught using so it should be required regardless.

Radam G says:

Selected ones have been caught and published. The protected ones pay up, so that they can avoid detection and/or get an alibi by corrupted experts. Once again, get rid of the roids-and-PEDs carrying conditioning trainers. And on down the road dat syet will scat.

Besides, that-make-you-muscle-bound jive doesn't work in the sweet science! The sweet science is a thinking-man's game. And when you -- even for a nanosec -- don't think; you fudging sink. Canvas-kissing Marquez sank Da Manny's Titanic, because from the beatdown that he was getting from Da Manny, he didn't panic. A spade is a spade. And calling it that, I will never be afraid. Holla!

amayseng says:

If all that was or is the standard for testing is a ursine test right before

and after the fight then it is beyond easy

to ped up for months prior to training camp

the go natural 6-8 weeks prior with nothing

to show in your urine.

Whatever jmm is on I want some.


Seriously.

brownsugar says:

I'm not understanding why PED's have to come into the picture... Marquez weighed 144 for Mayweather, that was 4 or 5 years ago.
I don't see a massive muscle gain... I see guy who toned up what he had and increased his muscle density.

Manny chose not to persue extra testing believing Marquez to be Honorable warrior he is.
And who would be the better judge of character than the man who shared the ring with him 4 times?

And why would his new trainer or Marquez, or Berenstain jeopardize a huge payday and incur a Mammoth sized hit against their reputations in such a high profile event?

the naturally occuring hormone Testosterone builds muscle, and as long as you have a little bit in your body then you can change your muscle density, mass and appearance.

I'm much much older (a whole generation older) than Marquez and I can exercise, run (a little bit), do calesthenics and still see drastic improvements in the appearance of my body in just 2-3 weeks. Of course it's more difficult to keep it up at my age so I periodically go from periods of better than average fitness, to periods of just being ordinary.

If I can still develop an attractive physique on demand at my age, with a lower testosterone level... I'm sure Marquez is limited only by his weight, desire and the requirement of his training regimine. The natural occuring hormone Testosterone is a powerful,... so powerful it can nearly change a woman into a man...
What Marquez has done in the fitness department is not surprising or new.. all it takes is hard work.

Finally Marquez is as dangerous as they come when he gets hurt... he lies in wait for the moment his opponent comes in for the kill.
Against Mayweather, Marquez had his best moments when Mayweather tried to finish him off... even though JMM was on the receiving of hard punches... he backed Floyd off every time because it was the only time during the fight he was in punching range of Mayweather and could counter effectively.

It was strange to see Mayweather back off and get on his motor scooter when it looked like Marquez might fall... but when you watch the replay closely it's plain to see he was getting countered effectively.

Paq know's the reason he lost that fight. Paq will never give a press conference professing something was unusual or unnatural about Marquez's punch... (the handwriting was already on the wall when Paq got dropped in the 3rd) so everyone else should move on with the excuses.

Paq may have been well managed and he may have controlled a lot of the aspects of some of his fights,.. but he fought all comers constantly, ......putting himself out there to be taken like athletes are supposed to do... he had a running list of opponets lined up that I'm sure he would have fought had he not lost (like Rios, Mayweather and Bradley).

It is the fate of every boxer who enters the ring.

Radam G says:

Hehe! C'mon Amayseng! You get it from up in the brain, not off the roids-and-PEDs train. I'm going to stick with hollering that Marquez used great sweet science skullduggery to reverse the thrashing that he was getting and thus, was able to slay Da Manny.

It is not good sportsman friendly to use Marquez as a cocksky for jucking and/or injecting and/or cream and rub. Holla!

Robert Curtis says:

Manny got sloppy around a wounded animal, and paid the price. Marquez threw a textbook counter-shot. There was nothing lucky about it. That punch was automatic, precise, and would have dropped a water buffalo. I'm happy for Juan, Nacho, and the whole JMM team. I love da Manny, but he went Hollywood years ago. I don't know if he can ever come back to earth. IF Freddie gives him a pass for another fight, I'd offer this advice: How about keeping the fricking celebrities out of the damned Wild Card? He had everybody but Lady Gaga up in there. Or maybe she was there and I missed it? At this rate, a Pacman/Gaga duet would not surprise me. Maybe Manny should only fight in movies now like that brave sky marshall Mark Wahlberg? I would be interested in a rematch. If Manny stops huffing the bubblegum fumes of his own rainbow farts, he could probably avenge JMM's KO with one of his own.

bigstinkybug says:

Manny got sloppy around a wounded animal, and paid the price. Marquez threw a textbook counter-shot. There was nothing lucky about it. That punch was automatic, precise, and would have dropped a water buffalo. I'm happy for Juan, Nacho, and the whole JMM team. I love da Manny, but he went Hollywood years ago. I don't know if he can ever come back to earth. IF Freddie gives him a pass for another fight, I'd offer this advice: How about keeping the fricking celebrities out of the damned Wild Card? He had everybody but Lady Gaga up in there. Or maybe she was there and I missed it? At this rate, a Pacman/Gaga duet would not surprise me. Maybe Manny should only fight in movies now like that brave sky marshall Mark Wahlberg? I would be interested in a rematch. If Manny stops huffing the bubblegum fumes of his own rainbow farts, he could probably avenge JMM's KO with one of his own.


*i [COLOR="#FF0000">like ur points... the bottom line, and Manny said as much, is manny got reckless and paid for it.

Radam G says:

Whaddup, Bobby C.? They will listen to you, but not to me. BTW, Lady Gaga has made a call. Don't be hatin' on her! Holla!

SouthPaul says:

I'm feeling what Brown Suga' and Robert Curtis are typing. Shaking my head at the rest of you PED accusers. No real evidence of it yet y'all done convicted Marquez. Whack! Whack! Whack! Glad Mr Curtis covered the lucky thing. It ain't never luck in the fight game. You get in the ring with the goal to throw a lunch and land it. When you accomplish that ain't got nothing to do with luck. Luck is me walking of out Of my DC hotel room and finding a bag full of cash before I get a cab to the airport. Anybow, great fight, jaw dropping ending and annoyed with all you suckas' talking PED. Blah.

Radam G says:

You will watch a bout V, even though you don't want to, SouthPaul. That pugilism addiction will make you watch these guys tangle for as many fights as they have. Fight five is coming. Holla!

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

Nobody is really talking about the horrible year Freddie Roach fighters are having. Freddie is a offensive minded trainer with very little to offer defensively. He is a good trainer, but far from great in my opinion. The object of the sport is to "hit and not get hit," which is something Freddie Roach fighters have a problem doing!

Robert Curtis says:

Nobody is really talking about the horrible year Freddie Roach fighters are having. Freddie is a offensive minded trainer with very little to offer defensively. He is a good trainer, but far from great in my opinion. The object of the sport is to "hit and not get hit," which is something Freddie Roach fighters have a problem doing!


"Far from great." How far? Can you Mapquest it? Talk about hitting a man when he's down.

amayseng says:

Just like the writer and established Steve Kim said yesterday,
if a vibrant and newly ripped jmm gaining 7-9 lbs of muscle
in months looking like that at 39 with new one punch killing power
after bringing in a guilty steroid trainer who was beating Olympic tests
then something is wrong if there is NOT suspicion

Btw. Heredia is in a video from 2009 shooting himself
In the stomach and buying hgh.

If u want to condemn me for calling a spade a spade go ahead

ali says:

Amayseng, Arum, Pac, & Roach knew all of this before the fight happened so why didn't they ask for random drug testing? Is it because they know Pac won't pass a drug test either? Think about Amayseng it doesn't make sense for them not to ask for randomtesting if they think there fighter is clean.

Radam G says:

SCLA ALI, they did not ask for a test because that syet doesn't matter. Roids don't win fights. Money May is on 'em. He has never taken a true random test. And Da Manny doesn't take that syet, as SOG doesn't. Money May is the Barry Bonds of boxing. And you cannot accept it. Holla!

amayseng says:

Amayseng, Arum, Pac, & Roach knew all of this before the fight happened so why didn't they ask for random drug testing? Is it because they know Pac won't pass a drug test either? Think about Amayseng it doesn't make sense for them not to ask for randomtesting if they think there fighter is clean.


I understand your point Ali to an extent

However pac has always displayed a genetically ripped

physique while moving up and always been a one punch knockout artist as well.

Jmm is all of a sudden a physical specimen and now a one punch killer

I think the force of the knockdown in round 3 is just as telling as the knockout punch

That shot in round three had so much force it sent PAC flying to his back

With his feet flying up.

Jmm never had that power before. He always always an accumulation

and combination knockout puncher

Radam G says:

Check out Marquez's bout against Houston's Juan Diaz, Amayseng. JMM always could hit. He just caught Da Manny at the right times. Holla!

Radam G says:

BTW, Marquez was damaged pretty badly. He suffered a broken nose, hairline fractures in his eye sockets and there are rumors about a slightly collapse lung. Being muscular gave him no padding effect. Holla!

ali says:

If Mayweather is on PEDs (which I believe he's not) then they do work cause he's still undefeated.

Radam G says:

He is undefeated because of mad skills, and cherry picking the right fighter at the ideal time. Holla!

Radam G says:

Money May, as most fighters are on dat syet for body appearance. Tim Bradley is still undefeated. He is all dat syet too. It doesn,t give him punching power, 'cause it doesn't work that way. Holla!

ali says:

Amayseng your right about Marquez all of sudden having one punch KO power.But Pac was moving up in weight and knocking guys out with 1 punch. Who has everdone that in the history of boxing nobody. Pac went from 106 to 150 and was still hurting guys with still chins like margacheato that what makes me suspicious.

ali says:

Radam not everybody with cuts and muscles are using PEDs come on man marvelous Marvin was ripped up was he using too ?

ultimoshogun says:

I got nothing much to add here, just a big WOW! Major props to Radam for not making any BS excuses and pulling the PED card. Amayseng, go back and watch the two first fights, Marquez has rocked Pacquiao before...no, he he didin't go down, but his legs buckled for a second. The KO punch was just a perfect counter, the combo of Manny's momentum moving forward and that punch made for a huge impact that put his lights out. Had it happened the other way around it probably woulda been Marquez out on the canvas.

Radam G says:

It is called genetic, SCLA Ali. Hagler naturally always had those muscles. He still does. My 109-year-old Uncle Mamoy is ripped. There are several members of my family and tribe in their 70s, 80s and 90s who are ripped. That rippedness was always there. It didn't come in four months from allegedly lifting weights. I've never lifted weights, and in my late 30s, I'm ripped. Ripped is a lifetime, not in four months. Matter of fact, my five-year-old is ripped. It must be the natural roids in the balut, rice and noodles.

C'mon, SCLA Ali, cut out the Perry Mason's bootlegged lawyering for Marquez. He's been caught. Admit to it. I'm reminded of some of these flat-@$$ dames who all a suddenly start packing serious @$$. They claim that they got from the "stairmaster." Yup! Nyet!

Marquez is on getting-quick-results steroids. Any dietians and doctors in that field will confirm that. And ain't a bucket of p!$$ wrong with it. The wrong is playing people in da know for stupid. Holla!

Radam G says:

SCLA ALI, quit being an Uncle Roger May's mouthpiece. Da Manny was 105 lbs when he was 16-years old. Tommy Hearns fought in the U.S. National Golden Gloves when he was 16-year-old and 106 lbs. The Mandingo Warrior James Kirkland, at 16-years old and 95lbs, lost to the "Filipino Flash" in the U.S. National Junior Olympic. Money May was a 106 lbs when he won the National Golden Gloves at 16 year old.

Don't you think that it is time for you to move on from Uncle Roger May's stupid syet? Holla!m

Radam G says:

All the above, that I mentioned, moved up in weight from 16 years old, and can knock an arse out with one punch. Punchers are born and don't lose their punching power from weight gain. That syet is a myth that do. As lomg as they can get decent speed on that punch: Good fudging night, sweet prince. Holla!

mortcola says:

1. The obsession with unfounded (i.e. imaginary) PED allegations has got to stop. Test all you want. But the months and months of people wasting time with "IMO he did/didn't" arguments is just a turn-off from intelligent boxing discussion. No facts, no point. Test and find out. Then back to boxing.

2. Pac's loss has nothing to do with deterioration of skills. He was fighting beautifully, and 9 times out of 10, even the great Marquez doesn't land that Michelangelo of a punch. If Pac is OK and willing, then no reason to retire - no reason other than the reason that no one should box a lot of rounds to begin with - it is not a safe sport. Stipulated. Move on. They fight again, and Pac's chin and confidence are not damaged beyond repair, he still wins 50% of the time, maybe more, because, as we saw, apart from TWO PUNCHES, Pac's head work, speed, and punch variation made this the most ONE SIDED Pac dominance in the whole series. So - I don't want to see Pac walking and talking funny ten years from now. But, based on boxing criteria, if he has not been damaged by this loss, he is still the fighter he was, and can do fine moving forward, for a little longer.

Radam G says:

Doc Mortcola, it will not end until one of the scribes explain the nature of legal and illegal roids and PEDs. Vitamins are legal PEDs for instance. L-Arginine, Maca and glucomannan, dehydroepiandrosterone, creatine, gugulipid and L-glutamine are allowable steroids/supplements/amino acids. And using them excessively in the right combo can served as masking agents for the quick-fix illegal steriods/supplements/PEDs.

On every level of this game, I've been in it. And I'm not raggin' on Marquez. But he probably got a quick fix to build those guns and abs like that. A lot of humans need help to make those type of muscles when they don't have the BIG G -- genetics.

No illegal stuff that he took helped his fighting ability. He won with mad skills and smarts. But that body image, he gained with quick-built illegal syet. And he is no different from Money May, Bradley and the Peterson brothers, to name a few pugilists.

That's ghost jive. Illegal roids and PEDs don't work in boxing anyway. Other than psy ops. And maybe a placebo effect. It is the skills and wills that get the kills.

Double fudge the politics and politricks of so-called illegal syet. I can still beat a roids-and-PEDs arse any day of the week, and seven times on Sunday. No eye-candy body can put da spook on me. Holla!

SouthPaul says:

Lmao @ Radam's 5 year old son being ripped. Classic post. Good contribution by everyone, even those I'm disagreeing with. For 'da love of TSS! Got to watch this fight with some long boxing friends from the DC area. Lovely stuff. Back in Cali now ... Left the dc rain in the rearview mirror ...landed to the Cali sunshine. Nothing like home! Thats wassup.

I've rethought Rios vs GAmboa. Serious doubts GAmboa can pull off that win. Win lose or draw Rios will give him hell. And it's better not to speak of what Broner would do to the Cuban. Nothing nice, that's 4sho'....

maromero says:

I just saw a boxing show where Oscar and Chavez Sr were talking about how Marquez never looked as good with any fighter as he did with Pacquiao.I think he did a great job with Diaz but thats a different class fighter.Against Barrera he looked good but he didnt convince me that he could have beat a prime Barrera.I guess JMM is in his prime right now and he can put up a great fight against anyone except Floyd.But idk if he will focus and train like he did or the Pacquiao fight ever again,he reached the Mountain Top

SouthPaul says:

Amayseng your right about Marquez all of sudden having one punch KO power.But Pac was moving up in weight and knocking guys out with 1 punch. Who has everdone that in the history of boxing nobody. Pac went from 106 to 150 and was still hurting guys with still chins like margacheato that what makes me suspicious.


With all due respect to Amayseng, he's wrong in saying all of sudden Marquez is a one punch ko artist. It took 40 summin' rounds and thousands of punches thrown to land that ko shot. He's wrong in what he's saying about Marquez added muscle. There isn't no dramatic change if you paid attention from 2004. Both fighters added normal weight and muscle gain. I use the fight footage as my evidence. Watch all 4 fights and you'll notice subtle change from one bout to the next. Is Amayseng really trying to tell us that I can lose 30 pounds in 6 months adding muscle and changing my overal appreance so much so that when I use my old ID am barley recognizable ..doing all that PED free but we arent somehow to believe a word class athlete like Marquez can't accomplishment it over a decade and over the course of his entire career? If that's what he's telling us then imma' have to seriously question what this cat knows about getting in shape.

Be suspicious ... Plenty of reason to be but let's not go exggerating to the point of seriously sounding goofy!

MARK LENNOX says:

Give Marquez credit for a well rehearsed shot. No man is an island ! Happy to see that Pacquiao was given the all clear at the hospital.

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