Victor Ortiz Must Choose His Identity

Ortiz identity has been cleared and proven in the past, he is a quitter. Ortiz landed the harder shots but was not able to break Josesito's resilience, before the shot on the jaw. Ortiz was looking for a way out. the broken jaw was the the icing on the cake, There is no way Lopez was going to quit after the illegal shot in the back of the head, just need couple of minutes and then back on his people swinging. Lopez signaled to ortiz to bring it on!!! Many felt Lopez was over matched, as Ortiz raw power was the difference early in the fight, Ortiz landed the harder punches. Lopez battered and bruised and big heart was a real man and more than enough to chop down Ortiz. Lopez corner worried me a bit as they saw there battered fighter taking bombs from ortiz in 6th and 7th round, but we knew ortiz would quit soon..

His identity is that of a passive aggressive both in and out of the ring. The guy has anger issues. Maybe it goes back to childhood and his lack of relationship with his father. I dunno but maybe some counseling would be beneficial. Whatever, that's all on him to work out. As a fight fan I enjoy 'em. If he never changes so be it. In fact, hope he doesn't cause he's pretty entertaining as it stands. I ain't perfect so I don't expect him to be either. Be who you are, Vic, its not all that bad a look. I also respect a man who knows when it's time to pull his own curtain. He did it twice now and if I am a betting man it'll all be good for his self preservation. Thats what's up cause ain't none of us gonna be there in the wee hours cheering him on as he's getting his jaw xray'ed. lmao at the suckas' calling him names. Cocksuckas woulda' been dialing 911 had they dealt with the same injury.
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Many will say that Ortiz is a heartless quitter....but I'm not ready to bite off that biscuit. The individual who deserves the most praise in last nights fight is the firm but fair ref who minimized the rabbit punch incident that prompted Lopez to dive to the canvas like a pro basketball player falling to the ground to draw a foul. The ref told Lopez to standup "it wasn't that bad" he said... and Lopez reluctantly cooperated. but you never saw him nod or express any desire to continue when the ref asked him if he wanted to fight...Credit to Lopez that he bounce up like the pro that he is and continued to fight with fierce intensity after having a near "Jorge Arce" moment. .....Lopez never looked back after getting back into the heat of battle.

by the way I did see at least 8 shots by Ortiz who tends to loop his too far when in close.

In retrospect Lopez should be expressing a little more humility because Ortiz was on his way to a win ......and the ring doctor was close to calling it a day for Josesito.

Both fighters continued their personal pugilistic war for our entertainment at full velocity until the stoppage.

Ortiz was doing a great job while he was jabbing, boxing and keeping at range......

However,...Like the article said ....Ortiz would continue to get caught every time he squared up... Josesito never let an opportunity pass him by.

But none can argue that Ortiz had not won the first 2minutes and 40 seconds of the 9th until his jaw was unhinged in the final seconds.

Lopez didn't break Ortez's will, or his detemination....., he broke his jaw.

I remember when I started boxing..Darren Allen ,...who ended up becoming the first alternate behind middleweight Olympian Frank Tate,.... hit me so hard on the point of the chin with a hook that my jaw bone nearly popped out of it's socket. The teeth on the left side didn't touch when I tried to close my mouth... had to eat oatmeal and drink soup thru a straw for 2 weeks until the excruciating pain subsided and the bones mended themselves naturally on their own without medical attention.......... that injury wasn't even a broken Jaw.

Only fighters with the utmost confidence, experience boxing skill (or running off a high level of adrenalin)can continue at the higher levels.
I woudn't expect Ortiz to behave like Ali or Pernell Whitaker because they had the poise, professionalism and defense to weather such storms.
I'm gonna put an asterkist next to *Aurthur Abrams name because he was helped by some very dubious officiating and was frequently allowed to stop mid round(without penalty) to debate with the ref and officials if he could quit and still win. Thankfully Even the Germans know their limits. AA bled profusely from the mouth while getting a very controversial decision, I guess that counts for something.

This might be a blessing in disguise for Ortiz because even though I don't like "Paper Champs"... Canello is far better ring technician than Ortiz,.. with far more discipline. (and has more power)

I'm not sure if Ortiz elected to fight Canello because of the urgings of Del La Hoya... or if it was his own personal initiative.
But it seems to me that he's allowing his career to be rushed in all manner of absurd directions.
Getting Ko'd by Mayweather gave him notoriety but it didn't give him a free pass to go weight-class jumping into uncharted waters.

I still think Ortiz has potential, .....like the article already stated... if he learns a little patience and develops the proper tools, (and hasn't become discouraged)
Ortiz can be a handful for anyone, he's young enough to rebuild (slowly).... it wasn't like he got concussed.

I won't pass up an opportunity to watch either boxer in the future... Josesito vs Bradley, Mathyse, or a detoxed Lamont Peterson... make it happen!!!! (khan would box him silly)

Last nights fights were worthy of a Standing Ovation. BRAVO,.... ENCORE!!!!!!

LOL,.......... this is the second time I chose against Riverside and came up on the short end.... damn you Riverside LOL>>>

Great observation with the ref. Job well done for sure.

thx SP.

Good stuff SouthPaul & B-sug...Ortiz is a mystery wrapped in riddle inside an enigma and like SouthPaul says he's been nothing but entertaining so far so i'll continue watching. Good point brownsugar, Lopez was taking some big time damage, I too had Ortiz ahead up until he got his jaw busted. Just because a handful of guys have fought on with broken hands, jaws, orbital bones doesn't mean it should be the standard by which other fighters toughness is measured.

Ultimo...............Lets hope he doesn't start drinking and riding motorcycles (with all due respect to Williams and Corralez), If he can avoid the pitfalls of dispair,... he'll be back better than ever.

I like both fighters and I think they made a very positive contribution in the cause of boxing....as it's been said before, These types of fights keep us coming back.

forgot to mention that it's such a pleasure listening to HOF'mer Al Bernstein do the commentary. No bias rants,.. no calling punches that don't land. No WTF commentary. Just a guy doing his job without inserting his own agenda. Al never gets in the way and only enhances the experience. After some 30 odd years of hearing his commentary I can't remember a single time when he made him self sound absurd.

There was a great fight on the undercard too. Some guy named Charlo dropped this kid in round 5 with a perfectly finessed straight right hand for the KO.
got it all on DVR. yesssssssssssssssssss!!!! The whole show was better than Most PPV cards.

lopez was the better fighter last night with the bigger courage and heart that why he won , You need courage and heart in the sport that Ortiz chooses to participate and ortiz has proven he doesn't have! if his jaw got broken so what!, jaw and much more are on the line when he enters the ring. maybe he should learn to keep his jaw close when trading shots, that is his choice, i don't buy all these cry- cry -cry every time he is interview about his past and his father, who cares, he want to sell himself very well. If he is looking for sympathy he can find it in the dictionary between sh!t and syphilis not here. Ortiz quit last night, that was his choice and has done it before and himself as an athlete making money he will be criticized. He will chose to fight again not for the fans but for himself and the money! His cry-cry about his dad, and wants nothing to do with him. A real man will forgive his father and seek help for him,not cover up the tattoo that bears his dads last name and was cool to sport it on his back before making it big! comparing lopez and Ortiz, I have to say Ortiz is the dirtiest fighter from his choices and trying to head butt money May,Ortiz chose to hit Lopez in the back of the head, in the middle of exchanges and pushes fighters fall down, but ortiz didn't show restrain in hitting him? as far i know Ortiz would have crumbled in the championship rounds, Josesito was landing cleaner shots and was wearing Ortiz down. I'd like to see Ortiz get some credibility and take the Maidana rematch. Maidana is always ready for a fight.

Well, actually J Lopez was the luckier fighter, not the better one. But he did have fun. Team O needs to first fire whoever made that darn mouthpiece. It didn't fit. I could see that from the jump. My words were, "What in da double fudge is wrong with Vicious Vic's mouthpiece. The bytch is gonna get his jaw broke before the night is over, and be outta making 7mil against the redhead superhype." I was right like a three-leaf clover.

And what SouthPaul said is spot on. VVO is "passive aggressive" like heck. It makes me wonderful sometimes does he have a darn chicken neck. Hehehehe! And Riverside is spot on, TOO! VVO has a lot of d@mn demons conducting evil syet all up in his a$$ and membranes because he will not forgive his pops. I say JUST DO IT, and move forward.

Nobody and dey unforgivin' arse can change the wrong and nastiness of yesteryears. So why not just forgive dat stuff, suck it up and shield a few tears. You will then drop a load that has been holding you down and back. And knocking your arse off track. You will feel swell and your game may just become like a BRICKHOUSE! It will be better than what you appear to be NOW -- a miserable, little scary-a$$ MOUSE! And you are looking to lose, because you have gotten comfortable with a rotten childhood. And you have let that bytch time become your Robinhood. Robbin' yo arse of yo' very best, because you just refuse to put the PAST to REST. Holla!

Watching this fight again it looked to me like Lopez landed the left hook that broke Evil Vic's jaw with 20 seconds left in the 9th. As soon as the going got tough Ortiz got his *** out of there. Vic quits when it gets down to blood and guts. Lopez should fight at 140 unless he really needs to get paid. Congrats to Josesito.

Interesting observation ..the mouthpiece not fitting properly. Hmmmm.

All in all great night at the fights. It was needed. Thank you to both Ortiz and Joseito for giving so much of themselves. The clip of Ortiz' friends duking it out for fun was also great. A small reminder how far and above these cats are from the every day folk. "I don't know how you can fight so many rounds" friend says to Ortiz. Yup. Amazing! Totally forgotten by some peeps. Respect to these professionals, real talk....

Yes, Muhammad Ali may have continued with a broken jaw against Ken Norton, but come on, we ARE talking about Muhammad Ali here, whose toughness-when his career was all said and done- may have even eclipsed his talent. Besides, Ali later admitted to not knowing his jaw was indeed broken. Had he known, he later declared, then he too would have quit on his stool.


I seem to recall reading in Sports Illustrated right after the fight that Ali came back to the corner and asked Angelo, "How do you know when your jaw is broken?". Angelo replied, "It makes a clacking sound."

Clack, clack.

"Well I guess it's broken."

Never did I hear him say he'd quit on the stool. Just sayin'

God bless Showbox. There may be hope for boxing yet. Thank you Gus and Al. Thank you Showbox. Thank you Victor and Josesito. I have nothing bad to say about anything or anybody. Both fighters fought hard and gave the fans an exiting fight. This fight was good for boxing. GOD bless.

Another broken jawed fighter to come to mind is Richard Grant (at hands of James Butler). Thankfully he didn't have to make a decision to fight or quit. I was watching that live as it happen, beleive I even had my VCR in record mode. That was the mother of all sucka' punches. Ouch.