Floyd Drops, Stops Ortiz In 4th...Was It A Cheap Shot? ...WOODS

BY Michael Woods ON September 17, 2011
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MayweatherOrtiz_Hoganphotos2(Hogan Photos)You are told to protect yourself at all times. Victor Ortiz forgot that ring basic, and paid for it in the main event at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas on Saturday night. After Ortiz had a point taken in the fourth for a deliberate butt, the action re-started. He and Mayweather came together, and Victor tried to apologize. Floyd ripped a left hook, right hand follow, and down went Ortiz. He didn't beat the count of ten.

The Marquess of Queensberry rolled over in his coffin, for sure.

After, Merchant talked to Floyd. He asked him if it was a cheap shot. Floyd thanked God, and his team. He then said he was hit by a dirty shot, and "it's protect yourself at all times."

He thanked the crowd for coming out and buying the PPV. Merchant asked him to talk about the fight. He had watch Floyd the video. "He done something dirty, we're not here to cry and complain about what he did or I did dirty.  I was victorious. If he wants a rematch, he can get a rematch." He then stopped the interview, and said he never gets a fair shake from Merchant. "What are you talking about?" Larry said. "HBO needs to fire you," Floyd screamed. "You don't know shit about boxing."

"I wish I was 50 years younger and I'd kick your ass," Larry answered. When he re-joined Merchant at ringside, he said, "I don't really think I could've kicked his ass 50 years ago. But I would have tried it." He then laughed, God bless him.

All time classic, kids. Money well spent on that PPV.

Ortiz then said "it happens" about the butt. "I'm not a dirty fighter," he said. "I'm sorry for that." He said he said sorry to Floyd after the deduction. Merchant asked him if he thought that was unfair. "You could look at it two ways. I came out here to show the fans a good time, and I think they did have a good time, except for that little miscommunication by the ref.  I'm not perfect, no one is, neither is the ref. I have no one to blame for it, it's a learning experience."

Mayweather (age 34; 5-8; 41-0 entering) was 146 1/2 pounds, 150 on fight night, while the WBC welterweight champion Ortiz (24; 5-9; 29-2-2 entering; from Kansas, lives in CA) was 147 (164 on fight night).  

The first round kicked off at 11:55 ET, for the record, right after Michael Buffer offered his signature rumble call. Floyd landed a lead right which drew ewws. A hook from Ortiz  scored soon after. Ortiz didn't rush in pell mell, undisciplined, overjuiced. It was a strategic round and a good one for Ortiz. He didn't look out of his element. Trainer Roger Mayweather told Floyd to work the jab, and keep backing Ortiz up.

In the second, Floyd looked mostly to land the right. Floyd grinned a couple times, after Victor tried to land a power shot. Ortiz tried to muscle Floyd some, using his weight advantage. Roger said to "keep backing him up" after the round. Trainer Danny Garcia told Victor to get inside. Harold Lederman gave Ortiz the second. I did not.

In the third, Floyd's timing looked to be on. He'd throw as Ortiz started to throw, and landed first. Right hands down the middle were landing just about every time and you had to wonder if Ortiz could do anything to change that.

In the fourth, Floyd opened up thirty seconds in. Victor tried a head butt in a clinch, the second time he'd done so. He threw shots as Floyd was on the ropes, and Floyd shook his head, indicating he wasn't bothered at all. Floyd was now backing Ortiz up, as Roger had instructed. Victor head butted him, hard, deliberately, and Cortez took a point. They hugged, and Floyd threw a left hook-right follow, and dropped him. 


Come back for David Avila's ringside report.

amayseng says:

i had floyd winning rounds 1 and 3 with ortiz winning rounds 2 and 4... i dont agree with ortiz flying up with the headbutt but floyd was holding like a mofo and ortiz was just beginning to warm up and loosen up scoring and throwing punches. in fact he landed a right hand which sent floyd back to the ropes.

floyd didnt look good out of the perfect pocket, he looped and wiffed punches like i have never seen and i saw he was a bit rusty, ortiz was fighting the right fight by letting floyd be active and miss a bit then beginning to push him around...

and finally, floyd MAYWEATHER IS A PIECE OF SHIT, that shit pretending to touch gloves and let ortiz hug him then sucker punching him as he begins to back away with the ref still talking to the judges is a COMPLETE BITCH MOVE.

i feared cortez from the start, was worried before he was announced, but that shit was not only wrong but did cortez even say "time in"???

shouldnt floyd be disqualified???

and if i hear ortiz didnt want to continue and quit let me sucker punch you with a left hook and blazing right hand and see what decision you make while you are concussed..

floyd= classless

amayseng says:

i had floyd winning rounds 1 and 3 with ortiz winning rounds 2 and 4... i dont agree with ortiz flying up with the headbutt but floyd was holding like a mofo and ortiz was just beginning to warm up and loosen up scoring and throwing punches. in fact he landed a right hand which sent floyd back to the ropes.

floyd didnt look good out of the perfect pocket, he looped and wiffed punches like i have never seen and i saw he was a bit rusty, ortiz was fighting the right fight by letting floyd be active and miss a bit then beginning to push him around...

and finally, floyd MAYWEATHER IS A PIECE OF SHIT, that shit pretending to touch gloves and let ortiz hug him then sucker punching him as he begins to back away with the ref still talking to the judges is a COMPLETE BITCH MOVE.

i feared cortez from the start, was worried before he was announced, but that shit was not only wrong but did cortez even say "time in"???

shouldnt floyd be disqualified???

and if i hear ortiz didnt want to continue and quit let me sucker punch you with a left hook and blazing right hand and see what decision you make while you are concussed..

floyd= classless

FighterforJC says:

The question is not a matter of legality but a matter of integrity and dignity. Technically, Floyd did nothing wrong. It's one of the few legal things he's done lately. He should be proud.

SALT_LOVER25 says:

Boxing 101 class lesson number 1: PROTECT YOURSELF AT ALL TIMES!!

"Protect yourself at all times" is the first thing trainers tell kids at the gym, though it is a hard principle to strictly fulfill inside the ring especially when the adrenaline runs high in the head, and some of them pay the price......boy Ortiz did.

OK, putting aside the fight's ending, Floyd was outboxing, outpunching, and outfighting the younger fighter who was starting to get excited with that barrage of punches that really didn't do nothing. Floyd was tactical and precise when he wanted to shoot those power right hand shots. Floyd was brilliant and was landing hard shots to Ortiz at will, while at the same time maintaining the defense. I know the "would've, could've, should've"s do not count in discussions, but I know, Floyd knows, and Ortiz knows more than anybody, he was ready to go if the fight was to keep going. The straight right hands were landing flush and more often as the fight went on. Floyd was clearly winning the fight.

One thing I didn't like about the fight was that it was not long enough to help Floyd leave the ring rust, even though he didn't even seem to have any.

Anyways, great comeback fight in yet another great, even though I'M SURE will-get criticized, performance for Floyd Mayweather (42-0). You see, there's a huge difference in having power, speed, aggressiveness, and all that and KNOWING how to use them; in knowing how to play the game. I do think Ortiz is somewhat still green for the elite of boxing. This is a good experience for him. Props for Ortiz for accepting his mistakes including the seemingly deliberate one.

Floyd now has finally come back, and once more the WBC Welterweight Champion again (Also World’s Best Champion, WBC, Hehehehehehehehehe).

Another challenge on the table, another Mayweather W, another drama with Larry Merchant, another round of boos, another happy results for yours Truly, and another new reason for the Mayweather haters to work what they know to do best: hate him, and invent all sorts of ways to criticize him, even when the majority don’t make any sense.

Ahhhhhhhhh……. another normal, typical Mayweather fight night, Hehehehehehehehehehehehe!

Boxing's Enemy No.1 Floyd Mayweather (42-0) is back! Best Boxer in the World!!

FighterforJC says:

LOL @ lover of Salty c****. Gotta take what you can, I guess. Better than seeing the likes of you flipping cars over in LA. lol

amayseng says:

saltlover wtf are you talking about????

floyds footing was off more than a few times, he was lounging and missing and he wiffed right hands..

when have you ever seen floyd wiff right hands??

are you so biased you are blind?

yes floyd landed some good sharp right hands in the perfect pocket but ortiz was starting to move that pocket and feint he was beginning to get into a groove..

i cant believe that some people actually call themselves fans when they cant see shiiit...

its obvious to spot out who has fought and who hasnt fought on these forums....sad

amayseng says:

haters find reasons" are you kidding? floyd pretending to shake hands and let vic hug him and sucker punch him and people try to find ways...

hey how do i fight this guy?

seriously

i want a go

im 33 and weigh 160, im down to go up if needed...

ever notice how die hard floyd fans feel like they accomplished something when floyd wins???haha

what a loser

DaveB says:

I hated seeing the fight end the way it did. I thought what Floyd did was sneaky and dirty and I was disappointed by what happened but Ortiz started the whole dirty mess. If he hadn't butted him all that would have never happened. I was surprised they didn't interview Cortez. Ortiz busted Mayweather's mouth open and Mayweather was really pissed. You can't blame him for that. It sucked but Ortiz fought dirty and brought that on himself and he knew it. I kind of wished Larry Merchant was 50 years younger, maybe we would have gotten a better fight than the first one.

the Roast says:

Boxing and contoversy always go hand in hand. First off, Ortiz blatantly head butts Mayweather then apologizes by kissing and hugging him. Cortez takes a point off and then Ortiz goes in for another hug. This aint a high school dance. No kissing and hugging. First rule of boxing is protect yourself at all times. NEVER take your eyes off your opponent. Floyd steps in and lands two hard shots and the fight is over. I have no problem with what went on. Pac will KO JMM and then we get our superfight. Floyd is the ultimate bad guy, Manny is the good guy and we have the biggest fight in the history of boxing.

FighterforJC says:

Floyd went along with the hugging, Floyd premeditated the cheap shot. I am no longer interested in Pacquiao-Mayweather, not the slightest bit. And, sorry no, I'm not "afraid of what's going to do to Pacquiao." Mayweather is a dirty criminal and what he did tonight did absolutely nothing positive for the sport. Thanks to the internet age he'll always have his loyal followers. But it is beneath Pacquiao or any self-respecting prizefighter to step in the ring with Mayweather after his disgraceful act.

SALT_LOVER25 says:

No, I disagree completely.

Floyd was landing those right hands flush in the face. Maybe some right hands were not that solid, but before the fight ended
the replays showed Floyd landing solid right hand shots at Ortiz's face. A year and 1/2 layoff, what you expected? Floyd's foot-work to be great? And besides, what the hell I'm talking? The foot-work was OK. I have seen Floyd's off balance, and even worse than that (Assuming the foot-work tonight was "bad" which it wasn't, but playing your argument), rare but I've seen it. And answering your question, yes, Floyd wiffs some shots many times. Not ALL the punches thrown are gonna be landed.

Remember, this was only the 4th round, there was a whole fight to go before we could judge with those kinds of assessments.

If you're such an experienced fighter like you're insinuating then it's pretty weird to read your "sucker punch" excuses when you must damn well know one has to protect himself AT ALL times.

And about me feeling like I've "accomplished" something, what? I can't celebrate my favorite boxer's Victory? Give me a break........

amayseng says:

i watched the replay 45 times and floyd was pushing his elbow up into ortiz when ortiz launched into that headbutt....not condoning the headbutt but come on man ortiz was stepping back from the hug with his hands down didnt even know he got hooked then razor right following, thats some shady stuff there... ortiz shouldnt have appologized he should have maintained that crazy ass attitude and kept with the plan.....sad..

floyd is classless

SALT_LOVER25 says:

Floyd went along with the hugging, Floyd premeditated the cheap shot. I am no longer interested in Pacquiao-Mayweather, not the slightest bit. And, sorry no, I'm not "afraid of what's Floyd's going to do to Pacquiao." Mayweather is a dirty criminal and what he did tonight did absolutely nothing positive for the sport. Thanks to the internet age he'll always have his loyal followers. But it is beneath Pacquiao or any self-respecting prizefighter to step in the ring with Mayweather after his disgraceful act. You don't reward him with a mega-fight for doing this. As far as I'm concerned, Floyd's career is over. They should use the KO footage against him in his trial for beating the mother of his children, to show what kind of character he truly has.



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amayseng says:

those razor rights in the pocket were swift, but rewatch the fight, i have 4 times already...floyds leg arent the same. he was off a bit and took some shots going into the ropes before the incident, floyd is a creep.

and yes i do know, that there is sportsmanship during heated competition, and what floyd did was classless and cheap

and YOU KNOW THIS

but cant accept it

amayseng says:

i agree completely, i hate floyd, but when watching him i am always impressed by his skills...he is a complete piece of shiiit though, his bad boy act to hype a fight isnt an act, look how he talks to his own father...he is so worthless i cant enjoy watching him after this tonight.....

that shit was premiditated and cheap, how can he have any self respect or dignity...

ortiz was just beginning to come on stronger and stronger and had floyd flying into the ropes taking punches.....

any fan of floyd the person is just like him....

SALT_LOVER25 says:

I'm not arguing the "classless and cheap" argument. I'm saying it's LEGAL.

Ortiz's barrage of punches with Floyd back up against the ropes didn't do nothing either. Judah did a hell of a lot more against Floyd in the first 4 rounds back in 2006.

And no. Floyd's foot-work was fine. And calling him a creep indicates you're seeing what you WANT to see. Floyd's movements were fine.

SALT_LOVER25 says:

Anyways, I can understand the sour taste in how the fight ended. I didn't wanted the fight to end like that, and I also did not like, nor appreciated Floyd's behavior with Merchant, even though Merchant's been a Mayweather critic ever since back in the days when Floyd was a Super Featherweight. This ain't the first time those two argue after a fight. But I agree Mayweather's rant was also cheap and disrespectful.

About the fight, we can disagree. Anyways, no doubt this will have a lot of people talking about it for quite sometime.

brownsugar says:

I thought something was up when Mayweather weighed in at a skinny 146.5lbs and Ortiz came in at 164lbs... I was like how is Floyd going to deal with a monster like Ortiz weighing in at middleweight class........ and he did it the way he always does... no rust,.. no holes in defense... and true to his word he came forward to meat the bigger beastier Ortiz in the center of the ring... walking Ortiz down like a wounded deer from round 1. landing 76 against 24 for Ortiz ....3 to 1... in a display of complete dominance... then Ortiz out of frustration and self preservation lands the mountain goat shot... a nasty intentional head butt ....but he should have know after watching tapes of Gatti and mosley that mayweather is in complete destruct and destroy mode in the midst of a fight.......Ortiz still........ after a hug a kiss and and a hand shake....presumably wants to order a beauque of roses too......... Mayweather puts his hands up eager to repay Ortiz... but Ortiz is continuing to try to appologize........while looking at the ref... who started all this hugging and respect in the midst of a pitt bull fight in the first place????? ... Mosley... I never saw leonard , duran... or hagler ever stop their agression... Ortiz is luckey the fight got stopped by round 4 or he would have been ruined for life if Money continued about his distruction in a liesurely fashion like he did against Hatton... count your blessings OrtiZ... You've been offered a rematch but do you dare accept??????

brownsugar says:

bouque of roses I think

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

I agree with SALT_Lover 25, The Roast, and Brown Sugar. Boxing 101, protect yourself at all times. Mayweather handled Ortiz in OG fashion. He made him think that everything was cool after the head butt and then put him to sleep! Floyd needs to be more active as a fighter, but I didn't see any real ring rust. The shoulder roll and slick defense were on display. Hate him or love him, the man is a genius in the ring. Pac Man needs to take the test so we can see the fight of the century. Ortiz was on his way to a UD loss until he head butted Mayweather. The kid isn't too bright!

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

Where is my boy Radam G at? Holla at your boy Radam G, I am interested to get your take on the fight! You were one of the few TSS posters that picked Ortiz to upset Mayweather.

ali says:

Boxing 101 class lesson number 1: PROTECT YOURSELF AT ALL TIMES!!

"Protect yourself at all times" is the first thing trainers tell kids at the gym, though it is a hard principle to strictly fulfill inside the ring especially when the adrenaline runs high in the head, and some of them pay the price......boy Ortiz did.

OK, putting aside the fight's ending, Floyd was outboxing, outpunching, and outfighting the younger fighter who was starting to get excited with that barrage of punches that really didn't do nothing. Floyd was tactical and precise when he wanted to shoot those power right hand shots. Floyd was brilliant and was landing hard shots to Ortiz at will, while at the same time maintaining the defense. I know the "would've, could've, should've"s do not count in discussions, but I know, Floyd knows, and Ortiz knows more than anybody, he was ready to go if the fight was to keep going. The straight right hands were landing flush and more often as the fight went on. Floyd was clearly winning the fight.

One thing I didn't like about the fight was that it was not long enough to help Floyd leave the ring rust, even though he didn't even seem to have any.

Anyways, great comeback fight in yet another great, even though I'M SURE will-get criticized, performance for Floyd Mayweather (42-0). You see, there's a huge difference in having power, speed, aggressiveness, and all that and KNOWING how to use them; in knowing how to play the game. I do think Ortiz is somewhat still green for the elite of boxing. This is a good experience for him. Props for Ortiz for accepting his mistakes including the seemingly deliberate one.

Floyd now has finally come back, and once more the WBC Welterweight Champion again (Also World’s Best Champion, WBC, Hehehehehehehehehe).

Another challenge on the table, another Mayweather W, another drama with Larry Merchant, another round of boos, another happy results for yours Truly, and another new reason for the Mayweather haters to work what they know to do best: hate him, and invent all sorts of ways to criticize him, even when the majority don’t make any sense.

Ahhhhhhhhh……. another normal, typical Mayweather fight night, Hehehehehehehehehehehehe!

Boxing's Enemy No.1 Floyd Mayweather (42-0) is back! Best Boxer in the World!!

U know what your talking about when it comes to boxing thanks a lot.

mortcola says:

It was a cheap shot. And Ortiz earned it. Floyd could have waited for Cortez, who was asleep at the wheel, to definitively resume the action, which he did NOT do, and it would have been the act of a much classier person than Floyd - but it was a legal shot, and Ortiz asked for it by insisting hugging and apologizing to Floyd four separate times, then looking at the ref with his hands down. There's a very loose couple of screws in Ortiz' head - all the giddy smiling, and "oh well" attitude, combined with both admitting that he needed to apologize and that he didn't actually head butt him. Mayweather was within his rights. And he is trash. As for the boxing, well, Mayweather continues to have great defensive anticipation and movement, and his single lead rights are sharp as ever. But he also did whiff and look off balance more often than I have seen before. And he continues to throw very few combinations. No real signs of decline, more a matter of minor ring rust. Who cares. He's not going to be in the mix as an active champion. He is going to continue to be a franchise who comes out of party land in another year against a carefully chosen opponent. Genius boxer. A-hole who doesn't deserve to be listed among the welterweight greats due to the conduct of his career.

FighterforJC says:

Floyd's career is over. Ortiz would've been his sole ticket to some sort of legitimacy since we all know Floyd will never fight Pacquiao. But instead Floyd, influenced by is the hip hop culture, did what thugs do and his fanbase that consist mostly of rappers, drug dealers ad rapists applaud him for the cheap shot. In the 4th I was surprised to see Floyd open up the way he did and I was truly excited. I thought we were going to witness greatness that Floyd has never displayed before, by bring the fight to a stronger opponent. Ortiz weathered the barrage and put a beating on Floyd, then Ortiz did the second dumbest thing he could've done with that headbutt, which at worst could've gotten him DQ'd against the most protected boxer who ever lived.

the Roast says:

Come on F4JC, you don't really believe that. Floyd knocked out a 24 year old,165 lb man. He was winning the fight and he was on his way to a KO victory. Ortiz needs to get a chin. He should have got up before the 10 count. Where was the heart he showed in the Berto fight? The biggest fight of his life and he goes out like that?

Condor says:

Protect yourself at all times. It was legal. Period. End of story. The deliberate headbutt predicated it as well. Roast made a great comment and it's the truth. Mayweather is essentially the most hated man in boxing and Manny the most beloved. Make this fight happen. And if it does, I'm taking Floyd.

Condor says:

"Where is my boy Radam G at? Holla at your boy Radam G, I am interested to get your take on the fight! You were one of the few TSS posters that picked Ortiz to upset Mayweather."

No, no, no SRD. What he'll do is attack you, call you a racist, and be elusive on his Ortiz upset pick. You watch. A long rant is coming. Mark my words.

ali says:

I thought something was up when Mayweather weighed in at a skinny 146.5lbs and Ortiz came in at 164lbs... I was like how is Floyd going to deal with a monster like Ortiz weighing in at middleweight class........ and he did it the way he always does... no rust,.. no holes in defense... and true to his word he came forward to meat the bigger beastier Ortiz in the center of the ring... walking Ortiz down like a wounded deer from round 1. landing 76 against 24 for Ortiz ....3 to 1... in a display of complete dominance... then Ortiz out of frustration and self preservation lands the mountain goat shot... a nasty intentional head butt ....but he should have know after watching tapes of Gatti and mosley that mayweather is in complete destruct and destroy mode in the midst of a fight.......Ortiz still........ after a hug a kiss and and a hand shake....presumably wants to order a beauque of roses too......... Mayweather puts his hands up eager to repay Ortiz... but Ortiz is continuing to try to appologize........while looking at the ref... who started all this hugging and respect in the midst of a pitt bull fight in the first place????? ... Mosley... I never saw leonard , duran... or hagler ever stop their agression... Ortiz is luckey the fight got stopped by round 4 or he would have been ruined for life if Money continued about his distruction in a liesurely fashion like he did against Hatton... count your blessings OrtiZ... You've been offered a rematch but do you dare accept??????

Brownsugar great points I don't even need to say anything u salt lover roast shoulder roll know what's up.

amayseng says:

Come on F4JC, you don't really believe that. Floyd knocked out a 24 year old,165 lb man. He was winning the fight and he was on his way to a KO victory. Ortiz needs to get a chin. He should have got up before the 10 count. Where was the heart he showed in the Berto fight? The biggest fight of his life and he goes out like that?


Are u serious? Oryx was concussed from the hook then was blazed by
the following right hand.

There is a reason u get a concussion from a hook before

A straight---when ur head turns with that force it compresses

your spinal cord and your CNS shuts you off.

Come on.

And who could predict the outcome to the fight?

Floyd looked sharp in the pocket but out of it his footing

was off and he was whiffing shots horribly.

Ortiz landed some good shots that right hook dipped

floods legs when he flew into the ropes

I think Vic was fighting a good fight thus far against a supererior

boxer.

amayseng says:

I'm not saying Ortiz would have won but he had the right strategy

As he was getting his timing using feints

and was going to begin to up his activity and try to

wear the inactive older fighter down.

Who knows how wither would have looked by the 11th or 12th round.

Floyd has ruined himself with that premiditsted

sucker punch ccombination.

No one respects that except for the shitty

ass media who are too scared Floyd will flip out

on them.

brownsugar says:

Some call him trash, despicable, incorrigable, or the ultimate villian. I just call him Ultimate Professional..... no one else comes close in the skill department. Wow... after returning from a 16 month lay-off... at the ancient age of 34yrs old (by welterweight standards) and calling out a fighter who was percieved to be one of the most brutal punchers in the welterweight division. I surely thought Mayweather would have some serious work to contend with. When they called the weight differential,.. I quitely told the other Mayweather fans watching to brace themselves,.. because at this level anything can happen.. The smell of a potential upset was in the air.

What happend next was beyond ridiculous. Instead of jabbing the Money Man comes in hands high, measuring with the left and dropping rights at will. Never Ever thought Mayweather would make "Easy Work" out of Ortiz,..much less stay right in the kids face the whole time.

Lampley went crazy every time Ortiz thru a punch... didn't matter if he landed it or not. By round 3 Floyd wasn't even holding the left high having figured out Ortiz's range... and he alternated between jabbing and measuring with the right hand... preferring to throw right handed leads that shook Ortiz every time they landed.

But the tough californian would continue to try to walk thru them the same way he did against Berto.... eating shot after shot while being largely ineffective when he had Floyd on the ropes even though the crowd thought they saw cracks in Floyd's defense. Slow motion replay shows Floyd rolling with 2 shots while weaving the others by mere fractions of an inch...truly masterful. He easily rode out the storm while Ortiz became increasingly frustrated by his lack of ability to hit Mayweather...So he fired a shot from the 3rd arm.

Ortiz was easier work than Hatton, easier work than both Shane, Marquez, Judah, or even the lefty Sharmba Mitchell.

I don't know what he's been doing between fights... but he's packing more power than he ever has...
Yeah,.. an ugly win for sure... I wanted to see Mayweather break him complete down like Hatton. Take him into deep waters.. after the steady diet of right hand leads... Ortiz was softening up little by little. (not to mention being the recipient of some good bodywork too).. disappointing it didn't last longer.

to Floyds credit, I've never seen him throw elbows, low blows, or head butts, always comes to perform to the max. never wastes time complaining about fouls like Bhop... just comes to do his job... and he did a great job on saturday.

Don't know how long Mayweather can maintain his level of skill... but I'd like to see the acrimonious boxer take care of Pac before a rematch with Ortiz... nobodies gonna buy that fight after Mayweather handled him so easily. ...the Pac fight needs to happen as soon as possible.

FighterforJC says:

Come on F4JC, you don't really believe that. Floyd knocked out a 24 year old,165 lb man. He was winning the fight and he was on his way to a KO victory. Ortiz needs to get a chin. He should have got up before the 10 count. Where was the heart he showed in the Berto fight? The biggest fight of his life and he goes out like that?


It doesn't matter if Floyd was "on his way" to a KO victory. It was a sucker punch and everybody knows it. Getting up from a sucker punch has nothing to do with heart, if your body doesn't allow you to get up, that's not his fault. And like I said numerous times, nobody's questioning the legality of what Floyd did, although Cortez's competence is non-existent anymore. If it weren't for Mayweather's featherfists, Ortiz could've easily ended up in the ICU from a sucker punch like that. In any professional sport there's a certain standard of sportsmanship that is to be expected. From this point on, they should make it illegal to touch gloves with your opponent at any point during a fight. There's no rule that says they have to, but fighters do it on occasion anyway as a token of good sportsmanship, but if garbage fighters like Mayweather are only going to take advantage of that, then in order to protect clean fighters, they should make it illegal for fighters to touch gloes, apologize or anything of the sort. Floyd premeditated that situation and seized the opportunity because he knew in his heart that he's in for a fight that he didn't sign up for.

Radam G says:

A birdbrained bytch doesn't know jack about me or boksing.

[And I will appreciate if people would quit telling me that he is talking sh*t about your's truly. Dat bytch is on my lockout. Thanks to this new Universe and technology that I don't have to put up with his sick-a$$, trifling, racism and juvenile ____ cloning. Da _____ can try to flip da script all that he wants.]

I'm just letting all the bullspit and the word that rhymes with it before hit before I go into know-da-correct-right-sh*t session with the REAL TALK skinny about the Ortiz-Mayweather sideshow/cheat! Sorry Real Talk! I Just had to ride off -- not ripe off -- your pseudonym indicator for a short. Most people don't syet about boxing, as Uncle Roger has said umpteen of times. Just imagine, RT, ___ _____ know nothing tried to pull you and I into war. What a ____! WOW! _____ be anxious and standing by like working ho____ to hear from my righteous Mack -- I mean righetous attack -- Pinoy arse! I'm hollering at the boksing rules and dotting my i's and crossing my t's. Holla!

Radam G says:

Class is in SESSION! WTF! All these pugilistic allibis and allegorizations to compensate for the lastest major mess up in Sin City, USA, are chilling and Money May is no longer thrilling.

Give me a ____ break! The Humbuggery Bullsh*t Operation -- HBO -- cannot Mack its darn way outta this fudged-up jive.

Referee Cortez, WBC and NSAC messed up so badly that they don't have the cojones to MAN up and suck it up that they FU*CKED UP! Remindful of weapons of mass destruction, they come up with "protect yourself at all times." BULL! That protecting of yourself at all times goes for when TIME IS IN, not when time is being called in.

This bout, at a minimum, should be declared a no contest. But since MM is the house _____ -- I mean house fighter -- so it will never happen.

Any time that the referee calls timeout to penalize a combatant for a foul -- by regulations -- he sends, and if need be, assists the fouled fighter to the neutral corner and have him to stay there until the ref penalizes the guilty party and then consult the victim about being able to continue. When, and if, the victim is then ready to fight, the ref then says, "Time in!" He then waves both fighters to the middle of the ring to touch up while standing between them, and then the bout resumes. The ref did none of the above.

Mendacious, incompetent, Cortez did not follow the Nevada boxing commission's rules, or those of the WBC, ABC and MQR or any of the ______alphabet-seedy-boxing-comission-organizational shitholes.

Fanfaronades, groupies, nuthuggers, fakers, jokers, cyberspace nutcases and know nothing have been Mayweatherized fudge again. And yall suckas are luvin' it! Those optical illusions and automagical confusion are doing it BIG!!! Ya' DIG!!! Its got you in a trance. And outta your hard-earned moola, it is making your arse dance.

Money May is making that mad, easy moola and puttin' all yall suckas through a hoola-hoola. He's my boy! And da money-luvin' son of Pops Joy! And it is all good. He fought dirty because he could.

MM-VVO Bout is so labeled by me as the B-BOTY -- the Bullsh*t Bout Of The Year. And Money May is no doubt the M-DOTY -- Macky Daddy Of The Year. I bet you ____ worked hard to make him dat moola.

"Bytch! Ya' bettah have my money! WATCH me on PPV, or at the Big Screen or get yo arse in those paid seats. No matter how ya pay me, yall hos bettah have dat BOOTY on DUTY!" The words of Pimp -- I mean Money -- May. Hehehehe! MM be gettin' on his pimpin!' But if he fights Da Manny, he'll be limpin!' I ain't hatin!' Bitin' off da spit of da Don, "You heard it here, first, ladies. Holla back!" Holla!

michaelabii says:

As soon as the fight ended I knew there would be an onslaught of opinions regarding the outcome of this fight. Well for whats its worth here are my thoughts. Was it a cheap shot ? Absolutely ! Was it legal ? Absolutely ! Should Mayweather have done what he did ? Well, I look at it this way - when you are in that squared circle your opponent is trying to take your head off as Ortiz was trying to do to Mayweather. If there was any sportmanship between both combatants then Ortiz certainly dispelled that notion with one of the more blatant and violent headbutts that I have seen in 25 years of watching professional boxing. We have seen Mayweather do this before with Gatti and Mosley. The man is a fighter first and foremost. Remember, Cortez did say "time in", which means lets go. Notwithstanding, Ortiz should have defended himself after the first left hook instead of looking at the referee for help. This was where his inexperience showed. The headbut looked like a sign of frustration from Ortiz and his flurries looked wild in my opinion. Mayweather fought like he always does - his composure is his greatest asset though. He sees most punches coming his way and the right hand is still razor sharp and accurate. But honestly - were we expecting a drama free Mayweather fight ?? Thats why I paid $60 - the man gives us something to watch. Gotta admit that those last two punches were a beauty to see whatever despite the circumstances in which they were delivered.

ali says:

Mayweather is a poor sport but what he did was legal ..What Ortiz did was illegal and he did it intentionally.
..like Mayweather he's always in a no win situation.

ali says:

Mayweather is a poor sport but what he did was legal ...Now what Ortiz did was illegal and he did it intentionally and is the one the dirty....really wow!!! Like Mayweather always says he's in a no when situation.

ali says:

Some call him trash, despicable, incorrigable, or the ultimate villian. I just call him Ultimate Professional..... no one else comes close in the skill department. Wow... after returning from a 16 month lay-off... at the ancient age of 34yrs old (by welterweight standards) and calling out a fighter who was percieved to be one of the most brutal punchers in the welterweight division. I surely thought Mayweather would have some serious work to contend with. When they called the weight differential,.. I quitely told the other Mayweather fans watching to brace themselves,.. because at this level anything can happen.. The smell of a potential upset was in the air.

What happend next was beyond ridiculous. Instead of jabbing the Money Man comes in hands high, measuring with the left and dropping rights at will. Never Ever thought Mayweather would make "Easy Work" out of Ortiz,..much less stay right in the kids face the whole time.

Lampley went crazy every time Ortiz thru a punch... didn't matter if he landed it or not. By round 3 Floyd wasn't even holding the left high having figured out Ortiz's range... and he alternated between jabbing and measuring with the right hand... preferring to throw right handed leads that shook Ortiz every time they landed.

But the tough californian would continue to try to walk thru them the same way he did against Berto.... eating shot after shot while being largely ineffective when he had Floyd on the ropes even though the crowd thought they saw cracks in Floyd's defense. Slow motion replay shows Floyd rolling with 2 shots while weaving the others by mere fractions of an inch...truly masterful. He easily rode out the storm while Ortiz became increasingly frustrated by his lack of ability to hit Mayweather...So he fired a shot from the 3rd arm.

Ortiz was easier work than Hatton, easier work than both Shane, Marquez, Judah, or even the lefty Sharmba Mitchell.

I don't know what he's been doing between fights... but he's packing more power than he ever has...
Yeah,.. an ugly win for sure... I wanted to see Mayweather break him complete down like Hatton. Take him into deep waters.. after the steady diet of right hand leads... Ortiz was softening up little by little. (not to mention being the recipient of some good bodywork too).. disappointing it didn't last longer.

to Floyds credit, I've never seen him throw elbows, low blows, or head butts, always comes to perform to the max. never wastes time complaining about fouls like Bhop... just comes to do his job... and he did a great job on saturday.

Don't know how long Mayweather can maintain his level of skill... but I'd like to see the acrimonious boxer take care of Pac before a rematch with Ortiz... nobodies gonna buy that fight after Mayweather handled him so easily. ...the Pac fight needs to happen as soon as possible.

Pin point post homie...once again thanks a lot your boxing IQ is A1.

amayseng says:

Mayweather is a poor sport but what he did was legal ...Now what Ortiz did was illegal and he did it intentionally and is the one the dirty....really wow!!! Like Mayweather always says he's in a no when situation.


I'm not condoning the lunging head butt

but are u telling me Floyd wasn't using his elbow all night?

Hahaha
Rewatch the fight and look for it.

That was ortizs answer to the straight elbow to the neck...

Putting his head under floyds chin.

I'm just disappointed Vic was starting to come on while Floyd

was starting to loop and whiff punches.

It's apparent floyds legs aren't the same.

Hence all of ortizs movement.

But at the end of the day Floyd premeditated

a hug and sucker punched Vic while he was stepping back

with his arms down.

I respect no one who does that. Whether u are in

a ring or a bar.

DaveB says:

Why didn't they interview Cortez? I thought he is supposed to be fair but firm. He lost complete control of the fight. The ref holds the fighters back after a time out, like Radam stated, and then motions them together to get it on. Cortez didn't do any of that, he was lost in the sauce. He sucks. Ortiz couldn't defend himself from getting hit with the second shot after he got hit with the first one. That was as good a one/two as I've ever seen. No one could defend themselves against such a quick succession of punches like that. I think Pacquaio would have let Ortiz step back after the second hug apologize and then he would have made Victor so sorry he ever did the head butt. I'm sure he would have ended it within that round or the next by dishing out an execution that would have been far worst than what Mayweather did. But I don't feel sorry for Victor. It is like people who smoke, or use cell phones while driving, or drink and drive - I'm not happy to see the things that happen to them but they do have a hand in the disastrous results which they themselves created. I didn't think much of the weight advantage, if you can call it that, that Ortiz had over Mayweather because Mayweather and Pacquaio don't try to fight back using strength against strength. They beat the hell out of you with angles and accurate punching and blow your face up. For the longest time the only fight I have wanted to see is them fighting one another. Anyone else they fight is a joke. There is no one else at 147 and the only ones left are the folks at 140 moving up. Boring!!!!!!

DaveB says:

What I meant is the beating would have been worse for Ortiz, not that Pacquaio would have done something worse.

amayseng says:

Maybe I am out of my mind but I was not so impressed with floyds performance

I expected a bit more from him really as a superior tactician and with his experience I didn't expect Ortiz

to win 2/4 rounds the way he did(withiut bullrushing him or just thro activity) which he really did. Also Floyd whiffing and

missing numerous punches.

was a real surprise to me I have never seen his footwork off so much before.

ali says:

My position about Floyd has been the exact same for years. Great boxer in the ring, small man outside. He looked great last night against a man who I think we all know was a one-win wonder (Berto)....and that says more about Berto and hype than it does about the mentally weak Ortiz. Nevertheless, he did look superb.

But as always with Floyd, he snatched defeat from the jaws of victory and lo and behold, he wonders why. Was his shot legal? Absolutely. Was it the stuff of ATG? Of legends past Absolutely not. With the fight easily in hand, Floyd shocked his own audience with his audacity. His 'shots', both of them were legal and lethal but cheap as hell. With endorsements nil and sponsors few, Floyd shortchanged himself with his acts in the ring. He won no glory;. Only victory. He believes victories are legacy. They are not. They are but a part of the greater whole. In a media saturated culture, with himself a media (24/7) creation, Floyd threw away his fading chances at a greater legacy an the riches that follow athletes beyond their years.

And he only has one man to blame; the very same who says he controls all of the action all of the time. Floyd Mayweather Jr. Great fighter. Poor Champion. Small man.

Sheeesh, and he really could'a been somebody.

Knock it off....with the he could had been somebody hes one of the greatest ever it don't matter how u feel about him personally.

mortcola says:

Fe'Roz is eloquently and insightfully talking about the quality of the man, defined by his actions. He is absolutely right. The difference between a small, cheap man, and a man of good or great character, no matter his other flaws. Floyd is a self-serving, impulsive low-life with great skills. That is the legacy.

FighterforJC says:

Legality based on what--the referee's incompetence? lol. For most evolved humans that don't have tails, there is a higher principle than that which is "legal." This was a perfect WWE ending. The referee was distracted. Leonard Ellerbe could've very well knocked Ortiz out with a steel chair.

Robert Curtis says:

Floyd was entirely within his rights KO-ing that little creep Ortiz. That had to be the most stupidly obvious headbutt I've seen since the fictional Spider Rico cocked his neck and skull-kissed Sly in 1976. It was like Fireman Jim Flynn's airborne headbutts against Jack Johnson. Floyd just got mad. And why shouldn't he have? This pizz-ant contender tries to take his teeth out with a shameless headbutt and then wants to hug him over and over like it's a Fire Island barn dance. Floyd haters will have field day with this. I don't like Floyd much either, but he was the victim here.

Robert Curtis says:

What part of "Protect Yourself At All Times" are people not getting here?

FighterforJC says:

What part of "Protect Yourself At All Times" are people not getting here?


Do you really believe people don't get, "protect yourself at all times?" Don't make it out what it's not. That is not the issue and you know it. Nobody is questioning the legality of Floyd's punches, stop insisting that we are.

michaelabii says:

Greatest ever if you were born yesterday and love him and ignore the far more exciting Pacquiao. Greatest ever is a joke. He would never have beaten Tommy Hearns, SRL or Duran. The list is endless. Aaron Pryor would have given him hell. Let me know when to stop.


Now I wonder why we are judging Floyd by "sportmanship" standards which simply dont apply within the four posts of a boxing ring. Being a sport is a voluntary act and not a required one. I would say that I now rate Floyd in my top 10 of all time greats based on his complete skillset. Hearns was an all action great fighter but never as dominant in the ring and took too many shots. Now Ray Leonard and Duran would have been even with Ray and Duran most likely beating Floyd by decision mostly due to thier aggression. You guys are the best though. I call it the best boxing community in the world ?

Robert Curtis says:

Ron Borges sums up my POV: "For Ortiz to reach out and try to embrace Mayweather for a second time as he did then after only moments earlier trying to butt his teeth down his opponent’s throat is like warring sides saying a cease fire has ended and then complaining that someone is shooting. The armistice had ended at the MGM Grand the moment Cortez said, “Time in,” after deducting a point from Ortiz for his third head butt in less than four rounds."

FighterforJC says:

Now I wonder why we are judging Floyd by "sportmanship" standards which simply dont apply within the four posts of a boxing ring. Being a sport is a voluntary act and not a required one. I would say that I now rate Floyd in my top 10 of all time greats based on his complete skillset. Hearns was an all action great fighter but never as dominant in the ring and took too many shots. Now Ray Leonard and Duran would have been even with Ray and Duran most likely beating Floyd by decision mostly due to thier aggression. You guys are the best though. I call it the best boxing community in the world ?


Yeah floyd is dominant over anyone not named Pacquiao, Cotto Margarito or Mosley (prime version). Yeah those are only 4 names but take away Duran, Hagler Hearns and Benitez from Leonard's resume and see what's left.

Robert Curtis says:

Hey, FighterforJC, go ahead and have the last word. You obviously need it more than the rest of us.

Do you really believe people don't get, "protect yourself at all times?" Don't make it out what it's not. That is not the issue and you know it. Nobody is questioning the legality of Floyd's punches, stop insisting that we are.

I get it. You and everyone who's sticking with the whole "protect yourself at all times" are tough guys. You're a tough guy and we should watch out for you in real life because you don't mess around. We have to protect ourselves at all times from tough guys like you, we get it now. Thanks.

Radam G says:

WOW! Danggit! That is mostly a myth that "monkey sees, monkey does, monkey hears, monkey believes." Give me a BREAK! I see a lot of monkeys in Asian jungles and cities [all the fudge over India] and most of these monkeys do what they want to and will kick your humantic, dumb, a$$! Just because some talking heads from a humbuggery, bullsh*t operation say something is legit or legal or whatever, that doesn't make it so. WTF! Humans just follow any shyt spitted to them.

What Money May did, WAS NOT LEGAL! Referee Joe Cortez messed up. Don't you people GET IT! Read the fudging rule book. HBO is selling ya jive, and not giving ya a$$ a high five, because they are like bees in a hive, except they are makin' dat money instead honey. It is all about da MONEY! Okay! Enough is enough! I gotta go GOAT Ali old school on yall a$$es. Money May is a buggy fighter and he is in Massa HBO's BIG HOUSE. Vicious Victor is/was a field fighter. And the house ____ can do any to the field ____ that likes and get da double fudge away with it. This hurt bitnezz is REAL LIFE and BIG MONEY. NOT some cyberspace soapy [sic] opera. Holla!

the Roast says:

It was not the ideal ending to the fight. Nobody(except Radam) thought Victor Ortiz was going to win. Floyd wins. Victor goes back to the drawing board. Manny KO's JMM. We get the super fight we have all been clamoring for. Hell, Floyd's legal cheap shot ever brought the once great Fe'Roz out of the woodwork. Its clear to see. Some people hate Floyd no matter what. Some love Floyd no matter what. The truth falls somewhere in between. As long as I get that superfight I dont care if the Victor Ortiz's or the JMM's of the world get trampled along the way. It's all falling perfectly into place. Good vs Evil. Floyd vs Manny. Let the best man win. Just make sure Joe Cortez is nowhere in the building.

Radam G says:

Wow! C'mon, the Roast. I never said -- anymore than B-Sug -- that Vicious Victor O was going to WIN! Especially in a professional, official sense. I said what I said. And it was clearly so. Even the talking heads said that it was rare for Money May to lose a round. He lost the second round on the judges' card and on Letterman's card. And da sucka Money May was losing the fourth, too, until the headbutt and the ending bullsyet that happened. C'mon, the Roast, you can go and clearly READ any of my most than 1,000 posts. This is a new TSSU -- no cloning or phoneying. Everyone and his cousin can get the true skinny of what any reader scribed. I said that VVO was going whup most Money May's arse like no other boxer has. People get arse whuppin' all the time in this game and still officially win. There is a great distinction you dig, bro! Holla!

the Roast says:

I must disagree Radam. Floyd was clearly winning that fourth round before young Victor lost his cool and resorted to a blatant headbutt. Would a fighter who was winning do that? No. It was a desperate act of a drowning young man.

FighterforJC says:

Desperate schmesperate. Who can get inside Ortiz's head? Ortiz was not getting schooled, he was attacking Floyd, cornering him and pounding on him. Ortiz landed some decent body shots and if anything, it was Mayweather who looked aggravated. Regardless of how the fight WOULD'VE turned out (that's Mayweather territory right there, the "would'ves") what Floyd did was classless. I'm really curious who the people would pay to see him fight next, when they've witnessed beyond any doubt the extent to which Mayweather would go to secure a victory. Mayweather is a dangerous human being, he is a criminal and deserves to be locked up. I sincerely hope that what Mayweather did to Ortiz would be used as evidence of what type of character he truly is, in the trial with the mother of his children.

Radam G says:

I will reply to your comment again in a minute, the Roast. I did once, but it didn't post. Time for me to get on my road work. Holla!

Radam G says:

@the Roast. One fighter -- your homeboy, the foul Pole -- would be winnin' and sinnin' all the time. Ya musta fo'got! And take your boy, B-Hop, he will be roasting dat arse and then right on the blindside of the referee -- KaBOOM! B-Hop will go right to da cojones. And my boys "Macho Time" and "Sweet Pea" would hit you a back fist, grab and twist your hand behind your back or pull down your darn trunks. C'mon, the Roast! Whuppin' arse and winnin' won't and don't halt a naughty pugilist from gettin' on his bulljive. Besides, like I said, Money May was holding Vicious Victor's arms and pulling him forward. C'mon man! Go to double slow mo on your DVR if you cannot catch the optical illusions that are causing ya arse mass confusions and Vicious Victor a massive contusion. Hehehehehe! Bottom line is all about da winnin' and gettin' PAID! Holla!

Radam G says:

I'm a slow mutha myself. I just realized that I'm a half 100 over 1,000 posts. Danggit! I better look to the left side of my posts every once and in a blue moon. Da Manny is on fire and he is gonna glue dat arse of JMM on dat canvas of the squared jungle and make that peepee sippin' sucka retire. Holla!

the Roast says:

Radam, Golata has no place in this conversation. You cannot compare Ortiz to master boxers Hopkins, Whitaker and to a much lesser extent, Camacho. Victor Ortiz will never reach the level or Hopkins, Whitaker or even Camacho. He aint slick, he was just desperate and resorted to butting. Flagrant, obvious butting. He wanted out and he got put out. New Evil Vic seemed quite releived after the fight, all smiles, hugging Floyd. Can you imagine B-Hop, Sweat Pea, or Macho happy that they got knocked out like that? Give it up Radam. You made a bad pick. Worst pick since Arreola over Vitali. We all pick 'em wrong from time to time.

Radam G says:

Wow! Hehehehe! Danggit! Hey the Roast, are you a fortune teller now? And you are not Hoodini. You could never convince anyone that I pick Vicious Victor to beat Money May, because I didn't, the same as I didn't pick Arreola.

[Saying that they could win, don't mean picking them to win.] Just as Money May told everybody at the press conference, who was gettin their lies on about what he said to Larry Merchant. You had fanboys and haters claiming that he told HBO to fire Larry Merchant. He didn't say the such. You can go and clearly hear what he said, just as you can go and clearly read that I never said anything about VVO officially winning syet. I said that VVO will whup Money May's arse, give him a hard time. That did happened. That kid even shot his dome into MM's grill for a thrill and caused blood to spill, and then VVO arse got knocked off the hill. MM wasn't standing for any cheap imitations of Dome Blaster Tim Bradley-like jive. Da money may got on his sucker-punch drill.]

Back in the day, the GOAT Ali got dat arse whupped by Doug Jones, Ken Norton, Ernie Shaver and another chump, who I cannot recall right now. But the GOAT won the bouts against all of them, except one decision loss to The black Superman Mandingo, jaw-breaking Norton. C'mon, the Roast, you understand and read English quite well. You can go and read my umpteen posts, and will not see me picking VVO to beat MM. Whuppin' a$$ is a great distinction from losing bouts. People lose battles all the darn time, but win the wars. Everyone and his cousin know what I said about the VVO-MM bout. It more difficult to know with the Arreola-Doc VK bout, because in the old Universe, you had dat bytch-a$$, cowardly, piece of _____ CLONE! But if you wanna believe your own fib, go right ahead. It won't change me, and I still got luv fo' yall, bro! After all, da U.S. Prez use to reside in da Windy Citeee! But he is straight outta ASIA. And that is no optical illusion and shouldn't cause too much mass confusion. Unless ____ _____ ____ _____ ____ Holla!

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