Face Off With Max Kellerman: Mayweather-Ortiz Premieres July 27 on HBO®

BY The Sweet Science ON July 22, 2011
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Face Off With Max Kellerman: Mayweather-Ortiz

Premieres July 27 on HBO®

 

July 22, 2011 - Fight fans eager for a penetrating inside look at the September 17 HBO Pay-Per-View® showdown between undefeated superstar Floyd Mayweather and welterweight title-holder Victor Ortiz should mark their calendars to catch an all-new edition of "Face Off," starring the two ring warriors.  “Face Off: Mayweather-Ortiz” debuts Wednesday, July 27 at 9:45 p.m. ET/PT on HBO.

Moderated by Max Kellerman, "Face Off" is a gripping interview session in which the two fighters face-off and answer Kellerman's questions.  The format enables them to deliver a message to each other as well as their fans.

The Mayweather-Ortiz extended version of ‘Face Off” is set to air multiple times on HBO and HBO2 (schedule below).  “Face Off” will also be available on the HBO On Demand® service, HBO GO and at www.hbo.com/boxing as well as various other new media platforms that distribute the series.

HBO air times include: July 27 (9:45 p.m.) and Aug 2 (8:30 a.m.), 4 (8:15 p.m.), 8 (4:15 p.m.), 15 (11:45 a.m.), 19 (10:15 p.m.), 23 (4:00 p.m.), 25 (2:00 a.m.) and 26 (12:40 a.m.) and Sept. 2 (10:00 a.m.), 8 (2:45 p.m.), 10 (9:45 a.m., 9:45 p.m., 4:55 a.m.), 11 (6:15 p.m., midnight), 14 (6:00 p.m.), 16 (11:45 p.m., midnight) and 17 (10:30 a.m.).

HBO 2 air times include: Aug. 5 (10:15 p.m.), 8 (9:45 a.m.), 12 (11:45 a.m.), 28 (5:30 p.m.) and 30 (10:45 p.m.) and Sept. 11 (midnight).

All times are ET/PT.

Mayweather vs. Ortiz takes place Saturday, Sept. 17 from the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas and will be produced and distibuted live by HBO Pay-Per-View beginning at 9:00 p.m. ET/ 6:00 p.m. PT.

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Radam G says:

No doubt that all of Money May's fanfaronades and groupies will be tunning in. I'm just a Money May fan, and for too long, Money Broke -- I mean May -- has played the man of Tin. There is no need for a face off. Maybe HBO should have a YELLOW BRICK ROAD for Lil' Floyd to stroll down to the Emerald City in the Land of Oz to request a heart from the great and powerful Wizard. But some issues for sure. Victor Victor is no cowardly Lion -- just a young, vicious one, who's ready to tear the prey up. But HBO is full of humbuggery just like that Wizard. Wow! [Pay dat a$$ behind da curtain no attention.] I know what this HBO powers that be are thinking. They are convinced that the Tin Man -- I mean Money May -- has a glorified, easy sparring session. Many do! BOO WOO!

Money May is an old boxer -- not a car. He will no longer go far. HBO is gettin' on its used-car salesman jive. HBO is overselling. The Money May value is GONE! I've already taken him off my iPhone. There is a BIG reason that Money May has been sitting on the metaphoric used car lot of boxing for a while. In five years, two fights against a two-division smaller opponent and against a sitting-on-the-sideline-as-long-as-him faded opponent, who even a genie couldn't do magic with. Boksing is 75 percent mental. The business part of it is 90 percent psychological. HBO is working those psy-ops, but I think Vicious Victor -- with the Garcia bros training him -- is not buying Money May can still fight like he could when he was active. Shoulder rolling of a soon-to-be 35-year-old Mayweather will not discourage Vicious Victor after all what he has been through in his life.

The kid's childhood was a living hell. He's faced the devil. Comparing to that time, in that squared jungle with Money May -- a master of optical illusions -- the kid is in paradise. But it is up to him if he buys tricks that he aready knows about. I guarantee you that trainers Danny and Robert, their pops and the whole Fam Garcia know how to interrupt the Philly crab/shell style of fighting. GOAT Muhammad Ali came from "Floating like a butterfly and stinging like a bee" when he was 24 years old to the "Rope-a-dope" when he was 32-34 years old. If fanfaronades and know nothings think that Money May can keep on doing the same thing at closing on to 35 years old that he did at 24-25 years old, Uncle Roger would definitely be right about them: "Dey don't know sh*t 'bout boksin!'" The output of punches and energy of Vicious Victor is going to have old Money May in more hell than young Money May was in with J.L. Castillo back in da day. Holla!

FighterforJC says:

I think Ortiz is a cool guy and physically he definitely has the tools to beat Mayweather. He has the power, strength, speed, respectable footwork, but I wouldn't really consider him a pressure fighter who would take ful advantage of those attributes. I see Ortiz trying to outmsart Mayweather and coming out overly cautious rather than jumping on Floyd to steal the early rounds that Mayweather customarily has no problem giving away. I've seen stranger things, but Mayweather would have to get really old overnight for Ortiz to stand a chance.

Real Talk says:

Looking forward to it. Dueces

brownsugar says:

Can't wait this is going to be good. Taking some vacation , gonna mastermind the ultimate fight party

brownsugar says:

Mayweather may be more socially poised and articulate than Ortiz,... but he'll need more than a lounge lizard personna to beat Ortiz in the ring... I predict Money May will slug and trade in the upcomming brawl.

FighterforJC says:

Mayweather may be more socially poised and articulate than Ortiz,... but he'll need more than a lounge lizard personna to beat Ortiz in the ring... I predict Money May will slug and trade in the upcomming brawl.


If Mayweather slugs, it will be a first. I won't be complaining, it's what we've always wanted to see in him.

Finally saw the face off over at youtube. This was Mayweather's element, it's what he lives for. He loves being the center of attention. He came across as a seasoned TV face who knew exactly what to say and how to act on camera. In fact I'm 100% sure that 90% of what came out of Floyd's mouth was rehearsed at least in his head. Everything he did was calculated including every sip of the water bottle, in order to disrupt, distract and otherwise be in control of the session.

Ortiz looked clearly uncomfortable, unsure of the impression he wanted to make. At times he attempted to look intense and at other times he wanted to appear loose. But the positive I saw in that was that in his face I could tell that it wasn't really his thing and that he couldn't wait to get in the ring, where he believes he'll have the actual advantage. Ortiz knew that the setup was Floyd's playground, but Ortiz also seemed to be convinced that it would be a different story in the ring. Kinda like Floyd should enjoy this while he still can.

brownsugar says:

F4JC as distasteful as some of your post are... I have to give you credit for having a keen eye... and being present in the reality...awesome observation...... the hype was good but the question is..... can Floyd really dominate like the 7-1 favorite he's made out to be... I think not... hope he wins... but he'll have to go to the pitt of hell and back to come out with that strap... and you can quote me on that.

ali says:

You make a mistake u have to pay and ortiz make alot of them. I see mayweather breaking him down and stoping him I the later rounds.

Radam G says:

Danggit, ali! You see like a Stevie Wonder and the late, great Ray Charles combined. NOT SH*T! Sing, dude, SING! Try using your feelings. You be able to see better with them, than with your eyeballs. Man, you couldn't see 900 waterfalls. Hehehehehe! Holla!

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

Floyd is definitely reaching the end of his physical prime, but I must keep on stressing the fact that he has one of the highest boxing IQs in the game. His ability to adjust minute to minute, round to round is what makes him the best in the game. I like the Ali analogy Radam G, Ali had to fight in the pocket and use his boxing IQ to win fights when he got older because his legs were shot and he could no longer dance. I think Floyd has many of the same attributes as Muhammad Ali, he has a very good chin and is extremely intelligent inside of the squared circle. He will know how to compensate for whatever he has lost physically because he has always been a well rounded fighter. As I've said before, fighters such as Roy Jones that relied strictly on their athletically ability, don't age very well inside the squared circle. Bad habits such as pulling back from punches and slipping them with your hands down will get you seriously hurt when you get older, just ask Roy.

Floyd has always been one of the top technicians in the game and based on the Mosley fight we know that he has a chin and the heart of a lion. I like Victor Ortiz, but he is too flawed and inexperienced to win this fight. Floyd by UD, bring on Manny!

ali says:

Im really just using common sense Ortiz just aint slick enough or smart enough to beat Mayweather period..... The reason I say hes going stop him is because he not using his legs as much as he has in the past and when he fights southpaws hes always coming forward and fighting in the pocket. That means hes always going to be in range when Ortiz makes a mistake and mayweather is going to have a field day taking advantage of them.

FighterforJC says:

Floyd's IQ is outside the ring. He knows how to identify chumps. Ortiz is a high level chump.

Radam G says:

WTHF! Somebody has a shot brain. Money May is in no way similar to the Irish Goat Ali. The Moneyman is more like the Sugarman -- Sugar Ray Robinson -- a master of bullsh*t optical illusions on fans and causing them mass confusion. GOAT Ali was not a ducker and a terminater of sparringmates who kicked his hindy. We know how Money May never sparred again with or gave a shot to the "PIttsburg Kid" for putting it on him. And the Sugarman fired Charlie Burley, the Cocoa Kid, Jack Chase, Sgt. Earl Wilkerson and Archie Moore, just to name a few, for putting it on him, knocking him down and/or kayoing his sweet arse in sparring sessions. Don't make me come out with some more truths about both fighters. I'm not into accepting bullsh*tology or mythology and straight-up fantasy about about any pugilists from cyberspace _______. I'm 100 percent down with the ACTUALITY and hardcore REALITY.

A bit more about Money May. He's "staying in the pocket" against Vicious Victor because his arse got arthritis in the ankles and knees. He has no choice in not moving as he use to. Da sucka can't MOVE! When he was a young boxer, he shoulda listened to his pops about doing roadwork in tennis shoe on that hard-a$$ concrete through the sidewalks and streets of Las Vegas.

And when it comes to Sugarman, he fudged himself up by drinking toxic-a$$ cow blood, which caused him all types of ailments. This is the real reason that he punked and felt out in the corner against Joey Maxims. The HOT HEAT of the weather my ARSE! Everyone and his cousin can get FBI spying papers and other U.S. government spy syet on certain athletes of long back in the day. Ankling off the words of Uncle Roger May: "Most people don't kno' sh*t 'bout" digging up Uncle Sam's spy sh*t on its citizens, especially those with influence and/or money -- REAL POWER. Holla!

ali says:

@radam There anit a fight out there that can see him in the pocket either and there damn sho aint one of them with a boxing iq like his. He has a great chin to go along with all that so Ortiz has chances of winning r slim to none in my eyes.

Radam G says:

Wow! Ali, you are da MAN with Santa Claus-like beliefs. If a fat white dude come crashing through your chimney and screaming, "HO! HO! HO!!" Shoot his a$$ because he probably has jungle fever and hope to slam you with an optical illusion, and then get his freak on with your lady. Now if you see a middle-age Mayweather going up against an energized bunny-like kid, put your money on da kid, because "black don't crack," but it goes whack. Now don't tell your's truly that Money May hasn't been acting strange lately outside dat squared jungle. C'mon, ali! Don't let let me have to name all your famous Ebony boxers, who didn't crack, but they darn sure did go whack? Jungle fever, jungle fear. It's all da same. You know da luv game. Hehehehehehe! Holla!

FighterforJC says:

@radam There anit a fighter out there that can see him in the pocket either and there damn sho aint one of them with a boxing iq like his. He has a great chin to go along with all that so Ortiz has chances of winning r slim to none in my eyes.


Ortiz's chances are slim because he's a bum, has nothing to do with Floyd.

admin says:

nice

brownsugar says:

i have to disagree... Berto pads his record with bums.. he doesn't lost to em'

ali says:

Thats what mayweather be talking never getting the credit he should. It always somethen if he beats pac there will be a million excuses even if he goes over seas and beats khan people will still not give him his due.

FighterforJC says:

Thats what mayweather be talking about never getting the credit he should. It always somethen if he beats pac there will be a million excuses even if he goes over seas and beats khan people will still not give him his due.


Can you specify what credit Floyd deserves that he's not getting? That he's avoided the best welterweights of his era and took no less than 4 years after moving up to welter to fight an old, inactive Shane Mosley? That he had the audacity of giving himself credit for beating Juan Manuel Marquez, a blown up featherweight that he couldn't beat if it weren't for Mayweather disregarding the catchweight and coming in as a middleweight on fight night? I think he's getting exactly the credit he deserves.

Radam G says:

Ali, QUIT IT! "IF he beats pac[?]" Hehehehehe! Stay off the CRACK, and no human being can fight the Pac just by talkin' SMACK! Da Manny would toast Money May's arse. You better hope that Money May beats Vicious Victor. He probably won't, but he'll get the verdict. Only because knuckleheads don't believe or see what they don't believe is there. This is why Long Tall Paul Williams always gets the verdict, because the three blind mice cannot see what they don't believe. Many people -- you ali -- cannot and will not see VO beating MM, because you are that fudger who walks into a spider hanging from his web, because you don't accept for the ole black widow to be right in front of your mug. VO is gonna whup MM right in front of some unexpecting mugs, and he won't get the decision -- MAYBE. He may get DQed even if he kayos MM. Remember what happened to Cintron when he was putting the beat down on LTP. Holla!

FighterforJC says:

@Radam: Actually, I get it. Ali and all of Mayweather's Mindless Minions want Floyd to get credit for what they fantasize Floyd WOULD'VE done to the fighters he's been ducking all these years. It doesn't matter that Floyd hasn't fought Margarito, Cotto or Pacquiao; the only thing that matters is what Floyd WOULD'VE done to them, and for those he's not getting credit for. =*(********

brownsugar says:

If that's true...then what does that make Pac? ......Seeing that Roach & Pac openly ducked both Marquez and Mosley until they were both nearly 40 and far more used up than when Mayweather fought them. That must make Pac the most cowardly fighter at 147 if you use "hater" logic....... Pac got a gift decision over Marquez and waited until he outgrew the aging P4P before going anywhere near him......He'll probably fight Ortiz too if Ortiz looses. And he'll keep refusing random blood testing as well to avoid Mayweather. Pac is strong physically and fast. But can't match Mayweather in the ring smarts department. If Mayweather beats Ortiz in impressive fashion the haters will take out thier misery on Ortiz..while having to settle for the Marquez trilogy that's 4 years too late and 2weight classes past the expiration date. Props to Mayweather for participating in a "cream-of-the-crop welterweight battle that roach would have never put Pac into.

FighterforJC says:

LOL. You mean Mayweather will keep demanding the unsanctioned random blood testing to keep ducking Pacquiao, don't start that argument ever again, I'm not a sheep, Pacquiao doesn't have to prove squat to anyone, definitely not to a wife-beating felon like Mayweather.

To answer your question, Pacquiao beat several Hall of Famers. Against Barrera, he was the underdog in the first fight. Against DLH, Pacquiao was the HUGE underdog as well. Knocking out Morales twice is no insignificant feat. It's not a crime to be past one's prime. When Pacquiao fought Morales, Barrera and Marquez, Pacquiao was weight drained beyond belief. When Pac moved up, he went straight to the top. He fought and beat ALL the elite welters of this era in Cotto, Margarito and Mosley. Even Joshua Clottey should be included aeven though he has the "DLH complex" of always finding a way to lose his big fights (still beat Judah better than Mayweather did, though, and he has fought both Marg and Cotto). Not to mention he beat Hatton at Hatton's own weightclass. And no, Pacquiao HARDLY ducked Mosley. If Pacquiao instead went on to fight someone like Zab Judah or Carlos Baldomir instead of Mosley, then you might have a case. But fighting Cotto, Clottey and Margarito before Mosley just means Pacquiao can't fight them all on the same night (maybe). Mosley's been over the hill for a loooong time. He had one last hurrah against Marg and that was it. Mayweather would've never fought Mosley if Goldenboy hadn't paid off Berto some step aside money. Goldenboy knew that Mosley looked so bad in training that they'd rather see him lose in a megafight against Mayweather than against Berto. You actually criticize Pacquiao for fighting Marquez a THIRD time (yep, that's ducking, alright! lol) but have no problem with Mayweather fighting Marquez after making him jump two weight classes while Mayweather himself couldn't honor the 144-lb catchweight? Yeah, go ahead, tell me that those two pounds wouldn't have mattered and then go on to tell me that Cotto was weight drained for having to come in ONE pound less than he weighed against Clottey. lol.

At any rate, as I've been saying and as you very well know, the ONLY thing Mayweather's Mindless Minions will be left with once his career is over are the would'ves and could'ves, but he NEVER did.

Radam G says:

C'MON, B-Sug! After the draw between Marquez and Da Manny. Marquez ducked Da Manny for four years. Marquez even went to Indonesia and lost his title to my peeps Chris John for $30,000 when he got offered 850mil to immediately tangle with Da Manny again. And as for Mosley, Da Manny was a much smaller fighter than the dangerous Mosley. Mosley was competing at 154lbs and Da Manny was at 135lbs. C'Mon, B-Sug, don't let your hatred change history. After all history is HIS STORY, not archives and actually and reality, and most peeps luv the fantasy, fiction and mythology, except for those who continously living in da REAL. This is what I DO 99.9 percent of the time.

Da Manny is no ducker, as Da GOAT Ali was not. But duckin' ain't bad. It is business [bitnezz]. Of course Money May, as Sugar Ray Robinson are the greatest cats of it. And they have been great with their optical illusions on fans, fanfaronades and da psychological blind and selected history at the most. Holla!

Radam G says:

No matter how you spin it. I clearly see hatred of an Asian. Everyone and his cousin can see the games that Money May plays. He has been whuppin' da jeevees outta Kassim Ouma in sparring sessions, and his Uncle Roger is spinning how Money May has been knocking out southpaw in training camp. YUP! Ouma, at near 40 years old has been washed up for about five years. And never could hit. Da sucka ain't no young Vicious Vic or Da Manny. Sparring with Ouma and easy southpaw have given Money May a false sense of security. Ortiz is gonna have a BIG surprise for him. And I'm call it now. Stranger things have been know to happen in the legal mayhem bitnezz. Holla!

mortcola says:

Mayweather is an inactive fighter, settled and comfortable at welterweight, who has simply not fought most of the top ten contenders. Pac is an active fighter who has taken them all on, one by one, while moving up from a much smaller weight division. "Openly ducked" is nonsense. Fighters always, 100 percent of the time, (by that I mean their business teams) choose from the available people, taking into consideration championship sanctioning requirements. Choosing the right time to fight a fighter is simply NORMAL; it is also necessary when you keep up a busy, consistent schedule. Not fighting more than once every year and a half or so, in "special events", passing over all contenders, while proclaiming yourself the greatest, is abnormal.

Radam G says:

History revision at its finest, B-Sug! Wow! You are good. But to each his own. I guess in a year or so, people will say that Julio Cesar Chavez Jr got a "GIFT" decision when he won the WBC title belt, because he got hit a ton more time than he hit his opponent. People just don't understand the pros. It is not how many time you touch an opponent, it is the totality of the blast and hardest punches that land. Da Manny hit Marquez, the harder punches in both bouts. In the first bout, Da Manny would gotten that one too, if not for the mistake of a judge miss scoring the first round. If Da Manny was a bytch fighter, he'd have sued NABC to reverse the draw into a victory for him.

In any federal court proceedings that verdict would have been reversed. [Hopefully you already know that boxers have sued misjudging bouts and won. A couple of examples are Bradley win over Campbell being reversed into a no contest after the dumba$$ referee missed a butt. And the same thing happened in a bout between James "Lights out' Toney and Hashim Rahman.] So actually Da Manny beat Marquez TWICE -- fair and square. Expect for Marquez to get KAYOED in this third dance. And EXPECT for Money May to GET beat up this his bout with the young Vicious one, though the powers that be may award arthiritis-a$$ Money May a controversial decision or DQ. Money May's best days are far behind him. His ______ are going to jump off his bandwagon like ____. They luv when they are on top and full of bullsh*t, especially talkin' 'bout it, instead of being 'bout it, bout it! Holla!

deepwater says:

keep burning those worthless dollars floyd. the federal reserve note is not worth the paper its printed on. buy gold and silver floyd

mortcola says:

Does anyone see something similar to Terry Norris over SRLeonard in the Mayweather-Ortiz fight? There are of course a few big differences; Norris was more tested and established as the premier in his division; Leonard had been living on white powder right up to fight night. But, Radam sees something: the moment when the slick, smart, quick fighter ages enough so he can't handle the strong young lion with something to prove, and fast heavy hands to prove it with.

Radam G says:

Deepwater, you have been right about the dollar. I been buying GOLD like a mutha49er. I would have never imagine how weak the dollar has become in the Philippines. Everybodeee and dey momma wanted dollars instead of pesos back a while ago. Now everyone and his cousin will kick your arse if you try to pay 'em with dollars. It is all about the GOLD. You'll get monster deals with GOLD. Bytch deals with dollars.

That about sums it up, mortcola. Money May has been in the clubs partying and bulljiving, and now he has a young lion, who will not just be roaring, but clawing and bumrushing his arse and chasing the energy outta it. The Money man will be drained from more than the taxman after Vicious VO gets finished with him, IMHO! Holla!

FighterforJC says:

Does anyone see something similar to Terry Norris over SRLeonard in the Mayweather-Ortiz fight? There are of course a few big differences; Norris was more tested and established as the premier in his division; Leonard had been living on white powder right up to fight night. But, Radam sees something: the moment when the slick, smart, quick fighter ages enough so he can't handle the strong young lion with something to prove, and fast heavy hands to prove it with.


Actually I don't besides the age difference. Even so, Mayweather is a well-preserved 34. Also, stylistically, it takes a quick, slick fighter to really expose an aging fighter, which is why Mosley didn't look his age against Margarito. Ortiz is not a plodder and he is quick, but he comes right at you and won't make you chase him. Older fighters hate to chase quick guys. Mayweather won't have to worry about doing that against Ortiz. With that said, I do believe that Mayweather might be in for a shock and I think he senses it. Mayweather is playing mind games BIG TIME. Against previous opponents Mayweather would talk trash mainly for the fun of it and to further humiliate an overmatched foe. This time I get the feeling that Mayweather is doing his best to win the fight before he steps into the ring, almost as though his victory depends on it.

Truth is, Mayweather does NOT want Ortiz to be aggressive. Mayweather likes you to think that you're playing into his hands when you get aggressive, but the fact is, I think Mayweather will have a lot of trouble with Ortiz if he stays on attack mode all night long. Mayweather is beginning his mind game now, and hopefully Ortiz sees it. Mayweather wants to implant in Ortiz's head that all it takes is one mistake. That's not a warning. That's Floyd bluffing, hoping that Ortiz would come in cautious. Then you hear about Roger or Floyd Sr. talking about how Mayweather is whupping up sparring partners. That's to send a message to Ortiz that Mayweather is set to put a whupping on him too. Another bluff to make Ortiz hesitate.

I hope that Ortiz and his handlers are smart enough to see through the smoke and come out guns ablazing, because that's the LAST thing Mayweather wants to see.

brownsugar says:

Thanks Fighter4JC for the responses, although I do feel somewhat offended... I consider myself a Minion/Pactard,.. no just a minion... wish I could debate this subject all day.

Radam,.. can't believe you accused me of hating Asians... I been to 6 Asian countries and the only difference I see is superficial,.... like size, color, shape, language, etc..I've found that people are the fundamentally the same all over the world once you get to know them..... you coulda called me a Pac hater instead.

@ Mort nice post. concise, applicable and free of baggage.

@ Deepwater, nice way to play off the Money Burning Theme.

gotta a go jogging to use some of this 90 degree weather to back off some of these extra calories... but I'm not in retreat... just getting started... will catch up on the subject next time.

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

"Father Time" will be the foe that eventually takes Floyd down. Everybody on this earth eventually gets TKO'ed by "Father Time" if they live long enough. Bernard Hopkins and Archie Moore are exceptions to the rule, but Bernard will wake up one day and won't be able to fight like a 27 year old lol. Floyd Mayweather jr. isn't a young man and is reaching the end of his physical prime. However, Victor Ortiz is in over his head. Floyd at %70 beats Ortiz by UD. "Money" has forgotten more about boxing than Oritiz will ever know. He was a student of the game before Victor knew how to wipe his a$$. Styles make fights and Ortiz is made to order for Mayweather and he isn't very good defensively. Ortiz beating Mayweather would almost be on the same level as the Douglas vs. Tyson upset. FJC and Radam G statistically have a better chance of being struck by lighting than Oritiz does of beating the "pound for pound" best boxer in the game. Holler!

FighterforJC says:

"Father Time" will be the foe that eventually takes Floyd down. Everybody on this earth eventually gets TKO'ed by "Father Time" if they live long enough. Bernard Hopkins and Archie Moore are exceptions to the rule, but Bernard will wake up one day and won't be able to fight like a 27 year old lol. Floyd Mayweather jr. isn't a young man and is reaching the end of his physical prime. However, Victor Ortiz is in over his head. Floyd at %70 beats Ortiz by UD. "Money" has forgotten more about boxing than Oritiz will ever know. He was a student of the game before Victor knew how to wipe his a$$. Styles make fights and Ortiz is made to order for Mayweather and he isn't very good defensively. Ortiz beating Mayweather would almost be on the same level as the Douglas vs. Tyson upset. FJC and Radam G statistically have a better chance of being struck by lighting than Oritiz does of beating the "pound for pound" best boxer in the game. Holler!


Careful, there. You're walking a very fine line here. You have to carefull decide between calling Ortiz the chump that he is which is why Floyd conveniently picked him, or you have to hype up Ortiz as this unbeatable monster who only Mayweather could beat. Which one is it, mindless minion? lol

Radam G says:

It is a subtle hatred that you are not aware of, B-Sug! It is all right. It's not your fault. We are all monsters of our creation. Maybe somebody else can explain it to you. Holla!

Radam G says:

Shoulder Roll Defense is such a nuthugger, bullsh*tologist and full of ___ syet. We'll see. I'm waiting to hear your excuses after the bout. I remember Don King telling me the same syet when I told him that Buster Douglas was going to whup "Iron" Mike Tyson's arse. I heard the same jive when I said that Da Manny will kayo Big Money Oscar. And, of course, I've heard ridulous lies of jokers saying that I posted all type of syet that I did not post about fighters' chances or lack of chances. Well, I posting this CLEARLY and LOUDLY. Money May will be troubled by Vicious Victor O. VVO is no BMO. Holla!

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

Shoulder Roll Defense is such a nuthugger, bullsh*tologist and full of ___ syet. We'll see. I'm waiting to hear your excuses after the bout. I remember Don King telling me the same syet when I told him that Buster Douglas was going to whup "Iron" Mike Tyson's arse. I heard the same jive when I said that Da Manny will kayo Big Money Oscar. And, of course, I've heard ridulous lies of jokers saying that I posted all type of syet that I did not post about fighters' chances or lack of chances. Well, I posting this CLEARLY and LOUDLY. Money May will be troubled by Vicious Victor O. VVO is no BMO. Holla!


I'm not a nuthugger Radam G, just a "realist." "Pound for pound" Mayweather has the best skills in boxing. He is 34, not 38, so the I don't believe he will get old over night, which is what the haters such as yourself are banking on. I am going to be all over you like white on rice when Mayweather beats this kid silly on September 17th. I don't want to hear any excuses from you that night!

Radam G says:

Realists don't use bulljive to hide what they really are. Thirty-four ain't young in boxing, especially in the welterweight division. How many dominant 34 years old have you known in that division? That is what I thought! Twist and turn it any way that you like. Money May is fudging long in da tooth, PERIOD! Everybody ages differently. Mayweathers age like ____! Money May ain't no different from his pops or uncles. They were not about ____ when they were in their thirties. Neither is he. We won't see the Money May of yesteryears come September -- a month to remember. You are "going to be all over" me like golden yellow brown where the sun doesn't shine, and dat's on my little Pinoy BEHIND! Money May ain't gonna do syet and beat no one silly. His nuthuggers, fanfaronades and stay-with-him-in-every-delusional-act-hardcore Ebonicans are in for severe a SHOCK! And I will be right here to hear your alibi IQ excuses. Money May ain't gonna get old overnight, he is already OLD! Ya musta' fo'got or missed da Mosley fight.

Let me tell you like the Irish GOAT Ali use to tell "high-boxing-IQ" Howard Cosell: "Can ya fight?" Could he? HECK NO! Having a "high-boxing-IQ" doesn't mean syet if you can no long fight [or even never could]. How many talking heads and scribes have "high-boxing-IQ," but they could not fight their way through a brown papersack? ESPN Dan Rafael has a "high-boxing-IQ," but could he beat Money May? Man, "high-boxing-IQ" doesn't help stop an arse-thrashing that you are taking. GOAT Ali's "high-boxing-IQ" didn't help him against young-a$$es Larry Holmes and Tervor Bervick [name misspelled]. And Sonny "Night Train" Liston's "high-boxing-IQ" was of no matter against a young, hotshot Cassius Clay.

In September, somebody is going to awake from his Money May last forever-because-of-a-high_boxing-IQ Ebonican -- I mean fairy -- tale. Shoulder Roll Defense dat one! Holla!

the Roast says:

So Radam picked the biggest upset of all time. And told Don King about it. I love it! Revelation after revelation, only on TSS!

brownsugar says:

just got back from Planet of the Apes,.. primates in prison, the movie genuinely ROCK!,..(A must see for Sci-Fi fans everywhere)

I can't express how excited I am to finally have the opportunity to watch a real welterweight clash, no restrictions, no stipulations, no catchweights.....no old banged up warriors.... just bring your fists and what ever boxing skills you have.

Will the impecable ring generalship and fantasically high ring IQ of Mayweather (second only to maybe SRR and SRL) overcome the savage beastliness of the young Prince? Or will Ortiz serve Mayweather his eviction papers?. Anything is possible in the world of boxing.

Ortiz is reported to have just completed a triatholon in about an hour and a half... he placed 223rd out of a 1000 competitors, not bad for an evening swim, bike ride and jog around the park. He said to Mayweather..."How do you like me now?"

While Mayweather has brought in the extremely serviceable and competent sparring partners Ouma, Powell, Latimore, along with 3 others to get ready for the bruising battle.

Ortiz has said it won't go the distance.

the fans will be the winner of this fight as I predict a knock down drag out slug fest, with Mayweather orchestrating a close but satisfying victory.

FighterforJC says:

@brownsugar: Mayweather has no heart. He either gets decimated or he dominates Ortiz in typical Mayweather fashion, hopefully it will be as entertaining as vs Corrales or Gatti. But no way is this going to be a knock down drag out fight unless Mayweather's the one doing all the knocking down. If Mayweather hits the floor or gets hurt by a young lion without alzheimer's, he'll be in for a humiliating beating.

Radam G says:

By the way, Money May's sparringmates are tomato cans. Ouma is 40 years old and has been beat by silly for the last five years. Powell got whupped by K-9 -- a bum IBF titleholder! And Latimore got schooled by light-punching Cory Spinks. These sparringcats will not in any way get Money May ready for what the Vicious One, who is gonna present him with -- deadly power and energy, energy and more energy. The magic of Money May is UP! He will be EXPOSED, though he may just get the hometown verdict. Holla!

brownsugar says:

F4JC, Say what you want about his heart, his clothes, his lawsuits, or his attitude but when Mayweather Jr comes to fight, he comes focused, determined and in top shape. he's beaten at least 4 champions with one hand, having broken one of his brittle hands during the fight... 20 champions in a row have fallen.

One thing we can agree on is that Ortiz is dangerous,.. a beast who could quite possibly upset Mayweather if he were to slip on the perverbial banana peel. Ortiz will be bringing the Thunda and Lightning... Mayweathers job will be to difuse that by any means necessary... I truly believe at some point during the fight Mayweather Jr will go into Berzerk mode if necessary. Trust me.... it won't be pretty.

who else is fighing the young lions at welterweight,.. who else is hunting the dangerous game when nobody else will?

you just confirmed my point.

@RADAM G. Watch what you say about Floyds sparring partners.... Ouma just went some hard rounds with Gennady Golovkin a month or 2 ago,.. he lasted till the 10th in a very spirited effort. Golovkin has defeated Andre Dirrell, Bute, Frock, and Korobov(in the amateurs)... all of them currently top supermiddleweights and he's the obvious heir to the REAL middleweight throne... yet Ouma didn't know that night he was supposed to be the tomato can in that fight. He repeatedly drilled Golovkin in that fight with sharp left hands and strafing right jabs...he gave a very good account for himself until the effects of the bigger harder hitting Golovkin took effect...

Ouma will give Mayweather some good work...CHECK OUT THE OUMA/GOLOVKIN FIGHT ON YOUTUBE,.. YOU WON'T BE DISAPPOINTED.

Sechew Powell is a very competent pro, who easily KO'd Bum Bundrage in one of the wackiest fights of the year when they fought. Powell can be inconsistant sometimes but he's been in many thrilling fights and is a gifted athlete and boxer... but hey!...... when Stewart gets his hands on a fighter he can sometimes turn shit to shinola like he did with the 38 year old Bumbrage (sic) and make magical things happen.

Also few boxers could deal with the ultra slick Correy Spinks when he was on his game... Correy has made many a fighter look bad,.. at least Latimor kept the fight close and competitive to his credit... and he still can't buy a fight with Canelo.

Besides the best boxers don't always spar with the best(you know this)... BHop uses similar guys like Yuseph Mack and Ishe Smith. A boxer needs competent sparring partners who are durable yet will keep him honest..but not guys who'll make him punchy before the fight.

Mosley on the other hand was sparring with BrotherNazims son and nephews,...2 gifted middleweights who I learned were ringing his bell every day with wicked head shots.... No wonder he gets into a fight and looks lost and confused after 3 or 4 rounds...

Besides if Floyd could handle ODLH at middleweight, what makes you think he's going to suddenly fold against Ortiz... Floyds been sparring with middleweights since he was a kid.

But you've confirmed what I've been saying,.. this is a real fight and a real challenge for Mayweather... this ain't no Marquez vs a real welterweight. This is a FIGHT!!!!

So remember.... while your poking your pins and needles into Mayweather Voodo Dolls hoping he's gonna lose,.. don't forget to appreciate his willingness to bring the fans an interesting fight for a change. holla'

Radam G says:

Nice alibis, B-Sug! Golovkin had a bad night. K-9 got tagged with a lucky punch. Same thing happened to Lennox Lewis back in da day. Now Cory Spinks is all right. But he ain't the one sparring with Money May. The chump who he beat is the one. Team Money May is putting out propaganda and bullsh*tology. The fight ain't selling. This is why Team Money May even brought up jive about how well he was doing in sparring. It doesn't mean a thing. Any fighter can get in gym shape, but in order to get in fight shape, you have to fight. Money May doesn't do that anymore. Four fights in seven years is shameful. Vicious Victor is gonna tag and rag dat money arse of Money May. And ya heard it here FIRST! And that is what da Don would say. Holla!

brownsugar says:

you never know RG, anything can happen and if Floyd losses the sun will still rise in the east and the icecream truck will still make it's daily passes thru the neighborhoods in the summer time.

But stranger things have happened,.. how did Ray Leonard come back from a 3 year layoff to eek a win over the Marvelous one by just being a gym rat.

How did Carlos Molina a pro who was off for 2 years and only has a handful of amateur fights move up in weight class to fight Erislara Landy a profusely decorated former amateur with over 300fights and and undefeated pro record and hold him to a draw?... and then Molina move up to 154 to best Cintron in a one sided beatdown?\

How did Carlos Monzon remain an undefeated middleweight champion while smoking a pack a day?

How did Mayweather outlast all the other hall of fame champs he defeated while being older than most of them by a few years?

These are the questions you must ponder.

as far as sales go...most of the demographic who will buy this fight won't even decide until the last minute... same as when you said Mosley vs Mayweather was going to be a box office dud but went on to do outstanding numbers once the sales were tallied up.

Yes even the great ones have to face defeat... you say Deandre Latimore is a bum?... I'd be hard pressed to say Ortiz could beat him in his own weight class especially since they both have an almost identical free swinging style.

yes even the great ones lose someday... Will Floyd have his ticket punched? It's possible but I think not... either way I hope to be there to catch every minute.

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

I have to agree with Brown Sugar. You have to applaud Mayweather for fighting a young champion. Mayweather has too many skills to fall back on and the hand speed/counter punching ability is going to be in full affect on September 17th. I would say that Ortiz has a puncher's chance, but Money has a heck of a chin and Ortiz would have to be able to put his punches together to knock Money out. Its not going to happen and Mayweather should win by UD in boxing clinic.

FighterforJC says:

F4JC, Say what you want about his heart, his clothes, his lawsuits, or his attitude but when Mayweather Jr comes to fight, he comes focused, determined and in top shape. he's beaten at least 4 champions with one hand, having broken one of his brittle hands during the fight... 20 champions in a row have fallen.



You do well in keeping it generic by referring to the "champions" Mayweather has beaten. Put a name next to each of those "champions" and the list is downright embarrassing.

FighterforJC says:

I have to agree with Brown Sugar. You have to applaud Mayweather for fighting a young champion. Mayweather has too many skills to fall back on and the hand speed/counter punching ability is going to be in full affect on September 17th. I would say that Ortiz has a puncher's chance, but Money has a heck of a chin and Ortiz would have to be able to put his punches together to knock Money out. Its not going to happen and Mayweather should win by UD in a boxing clinic.

Applaud Mayweather for fighting a young champion? LOL. Should a parent applaud their teenager for being able to wipe their own butts? But I guess you're right, for as many bums as Mayweather has fought in the last 5 years, he deserves a little encouragement for fighting someone with a pulse.

brownsugar says:

F4JC, you already know the names, it's the same fighters Pac gets accolades for beating several years after Floyd.

brownsugar says:

ShoulderRollDefense,.......... check out Floyd on Youtube training for Ortiz during the open media workout on July 21st if you haven't seen it yet. Not bad for the layoff, however you can tell he could do much better. It's gonna be like night and day the closer he gets to the fight.

Radam G says:

Wow! Money May ain't any of those champions, nor does he have a heart like them. Besides, they -- including Sugar Ray Leonard -- were younger in there comebacks than what Money May is. Plus, Money May has a severe case of aging -- apparent by his arthritis in the angles, knees and shoulder blades. His way winning nowadays is more psy ops than combat ops. If he can psych out the young lions not to punch, he has an victory. But I know Vicious Victor Ortiz, and he is one hardheaded muthasucka, who doesn't given a ___ about many of his elders. Money May is in deep kimche no matter how you try to spin it.

And Money May never fought Cotto, Clottey and Margarito as Da Manny did. Talkin' about leftovers. Didn't Money May fight one of Da Manny. I recall an overweight Money May fighting Marquez after Da tapped dat arse twice, official mistake in scoring and boxing officially. C'mon, B-Sug, you cannot see your own biasness and subtle hatred of Asians. It is very obvious. Just get about five opinions from your real dawgs, who don't have a bone to grind. Maybe dat Pinay kickin' you in the balls and the one putting you on legal hold have affected you more than you realize. But it is all good. Holla!

FighterforJC says:

F4JC, you already know the names, it's the same fighters Pac gets accolades for beating several years after Floyd.


I hope you're not referring to DLH, who many believe actually beat Mayweather (including Mayweather Sr) though Floyd Mayweather was the favorite to win, but got decimated by a 3 to 1 underdog in Pacquiao. I also hope you're not referring to Hatton, who fought at his optimum weight and got destroyed by Pacquiao but was very competitive against Mayweather despite being previously exposed by Luis Collazo.

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

ShoulderRollDefense,.......... check out Floyd on Youtube training for Ortiz during the open media workout on July 21st if you haven't seen it yet. Not bad for the layoff, however you can tell he could do much better. It's gonna be like night and day the closer he gets to the fight.


I checked that out last month and he was hitting the mitts a bit slower than usual, but that is to be expected when you have been off as long as he has. There isn't a fighter in the game with a better work ethic and he will be ready to go on September 17th. Don't pay any attention to some of the accusations from certain people on this thread. I haven't read anything that you post that indicates that you are racist towards Asians.

brownsugar says:

Thanks SRD I actually spent a year and a half in the Phillipines total, learned the language and almost got married (thank God I didn't). I know the good side and the bad side but I prefer not to dwell on the negative. Also did a tour in Thailand, HongKong, SeyChelles (Off the coast of Africa) Guam, Japan and Hawii. Learned how to use my feet and cook squid... fun times, shoulda took more pictures LOL>

brownsugar says:

Good forehand Volley F4JC,....but the return was kind of weak....... the insiders know that Hatton was a used up shell of himself when he fought Pac...and was almost KO'd by a journeyman before Pac because he could no longer make the weight comfortably... ...... any comparison to the 162 lb ODLH who was sporting a robust 6 pack against Mayweather,........ to the 145lb zombified husk of the semi retired ODLH who was demolished by Pac has got to get a new pair of glasses.

Radam G says:

Naku! Talaga, B-Sug! We have to shoot da syet in da P-dialect of your choice. Since you were around Olongapo City and American-occupied Subic Bay and Cubic Point, I know that you learned -- at a minimum -- all the bad words. You Yanks can learn cuss and gutter words in a New York minute or an Ohio Buckeye wink. Holla!

Radam G says:

Pay that joker behind the curtain no attention. He claims to be a college professor, but he doesn't know the different from "hatred of" Asians with a cause and "racist toward Asians." And da sucka jumped on me and started fibbing about me being on SSI or some syet like dat. Somebodee and dey momma oughta tell him how well Asians do in the "Promised Land of America" and take care of one another. [Besides, the computer that dat sucka keyboard taps on is Asian MADE. Straight outta ASIA. Not from the "PEN," where too many ____ go. Somebody told me that they call it going to college. Wow! That is terrible for any type of ethnicity to believe that the only college for the vast majority of them is the "PEN" I suspect that there is a lot of shoulder-roll college teaching going at cellblock C.] Also this shoulder roll sucka came at me for not attacking FJC for calling Money May a monkey or something similar to that. But does anyone see that poppycock professor saying anything about criminals and hoodlums in London? NYET! I didn't think so.

In his own word, he realizes that this is a boxing site, but yet he makes a connection between "monkey," SSI, this Asian, and "racist toward Asians," but he says JACK NUFFIN' and front no connection between the British blacks and black immigrants murdering innocent, hard-working, law-abiding, British-Asian Citizens. I'm reminded of Rodney King Riots of 1992. A couple of jelly-belly, big-arse dome, black hoodlums rolled up on my little teenager arse [back then] in KoreaTown, and I dropped their big, ole arses like they were some chocolate-colored Humpty-Dumplies. KABOOM! OOP! ZUNK! Dey had a GREAT FALL onto that jungle concrete of the City of Angels. Their domes cracked open like giant eggs. Those devils were in the wrong place, messing with the wrong Asian. I fudged 'em UP! Then rode off into the night with a car-full of gun-carrying Koreans.

The poppycock professor could never get the moral of this story, but here it is. If you crack dat eggshell-like fat arse, nobody would need to put a bullet or two in it. Thus, you have saved lives. GIVE ME A _______ medal. By whuppin' gingerbread-colored arse, the undertaker didn't have a supergood night. I was a unnoted hero of 92. Hehehehe! Holla!

brownsugar says:

Yes!! Talaga!(really). RG Olongapo City was an impoverished sewer of filth, corruption and abject dispair. The town was so infested with virulent non-curable STD's we had to wear three condoms just to go outside and take out the trash. Dead fetus's floated in the hand dug sewers that bracketed the side streets. Indeed It was one of the most depressing examples of lack and depravity I've ever witnessed. Hundreds of miliary personel were fighting false lawsuits imposed by impoverished gold diggers and we had to pay or go to jail... and everyone knows no GI ever survived a stay in jail... they all left alive but died weeks or days later from malnutrition.... tatooed up with profanity even on their faces.

If I were prone to making generalized statements based on stereotypes like you love to do I wouldn't have a single good thing to say about the philipines. Even though the country is below the poverty line of 32% (40% poverty in the PI) ... much worse when I was there.
I still found a lot of beauty and uplifting Humanitarian goodwill from many of your countrymen. Sometimes it's possible to find amazing examples of the human spirt in the most desolate places.

We normally hung out in the gym and took every opportunity to venture as far from Olongapore as feasibly possible. Got to see some of the rural provinces and big cities like Manilla..... in addition to this.....some of the countryside was amazing to behold. All in all in turned out to be a very positive experience.

Yeah I learned how to say "fu#k you" in Tagalog but I learned how to speak the language from book because the locals talked too fast. They preferred me to speak english because the book version was too formal in the Navy town... however it did come in very handy.

that was 30 years ago.... no need for it now,...haven't received an correspondence from the PI in 13 years..... currently trying to learn spanish.

you have to realize that life is not a cliche' inhabited by cardboard cut out characters.
and there are examples of good and bad in all demographics.


I am grateful for the Filipinos' who help me improve my chess game.

we had guys who fed their families by doing our laundry and shining out shoes in our barracks for $3 bucks a day. They called themselves houseboys but I prefer to call them "hospitality representatives"... I only won one chess game against those guys and I think he let me win.. anyway I still found much joy and satisfaction there...

you really don't know as much about me as you think... but that's ok.. I'm just here to primarily talk boxing.

Radam G says:

C'mon, B-Sug! I don't know jack or jill about ya, bro! But you do have a way with word tricks and stereotypes. Trust me! Olongapo is not is .00000000000000000000000001 percent of legit Filipino life. Even in Olongapo, you saw what was ajacent to Subic Bay and Cubic Bay. Even Olongapo has palaces and mansion in it. And a LARGE, LARGE royal Muslim population exist there. Trust me. You didn't see even 50 percent of the true Olongapo. Maybe you shoulda visit American stationed there and living outside the base. Holla!

Radam G says:

B-Sug, if you would have been a "station deto" -- the pseudonym for Americans assigned on base and not on the ships -- you would not have the opinion and misinformation about the Philippines that you apparent have. Matter of fact, you would have been no value to the Filipino mafia and criminal cartels, which have you thinking the way you are about the Philippines. Every American and his cousin stationed in the Philippines knew that Olongapo City -- not Olongapo suburbs and farmland -- was the "sh*thole" of the Philippines. BTW since the U.S. Navy has been kicked to da curve, Olongapo City is now a 99 percent clear, clean, and a prosperous city.

The criminal syndicates that use to entertain and rip off Americans GIs have packed up and left. No more sex and drug trafficing, no more poverty-plague pretending beggars begging and slicking the naive Yanky sailors out of their money and property, then drive off in the night in their jeepees, Benzes, Beemers or Chevy Trucks. Hehehehe! No more Fil-mafia lawyers paying off working-and-joy girls to put American sailors on legal hold. And all the shankyhouse neighborhoods around sh*t river, where all type of immoral behavior and freaky-deaky behaviors were going on 24/7, are completely destroyed

Not a single part of the Philippines is or has ever been Haiti-like or Somalia-like poverty. You'd no longer recognize Olongapo, Subic Bay or Cubi Point. Olongapo-Subic Bay-Cubi Point is as San Diego Point Loma-NTC-RTC is -- a hub of legit businesses, upscale residents and tourism -- since the Navy recruit training center and Naval Service School training center have been cut down. Enough from me. Holla!

brownsugar says:

There you Go again Radam,.. speaking out of turn... about things you couldn't possibly know anything about.

I was there probably there before you were even born. How could you possibly gauge my experience?

The fact of the matter is I was stationed there against my will... I was there on a very lenthy legal hold.... And I saw much more of the place than just the cesspool of city Olongagapo was Than you can ever imagine..... I just had certain methods of facillitating my release from the base. (nuff said)

They were talking about kicking out the military bases when I was there(but they weren't quite ready)...
So Your preaching to the chior Radam... I'm ecstatic that social and economical conditions have improved greatly in the Philipines...And I hope that Things continue to get better.

Hell, my job may even end up in the PI some day.

The country as a whole still has a 40% poverty rate which is still a huge improvement from when I was there (by contrast China now has 3% poverty rate). ..but nobody ever said poor folks have to be beggars prostitutes and thieves.....

There's no shame in poverty unless it can steal your dignity.. most of the time it exists because of the greed of those who sit in the seat of power and Corruption.... It's no secret Pac had to sell cigarettes on the streets to survive in his early youth... and now look what he's become...the selling of Pacs lowly beginnings has endeared him to millions,..Now he's a bonified Super-Star.

poverty is the same no matter where it exists

the lack or possesion of wealth is the great equalizer...whether it be in Somalia the PI or South Africa.

I don't think people veiw the PI as a third world nation anymore... for that you should be thankful.

So why would you try to sugar coat the truth?..... as if I was trying to put down your country?...I've got no beef with any peoples...... I'm just speaking from the very facts that have been known by virtually everybody for quite sometime now

And Why would I want to be of value to anybodies slimy mafia?,... my very brief involvement with them was about how I could use them for my own personal gain, it was a mutually gratifying circumstance for the short while it lasted.

You can't fight the truth RG... The truth will set you free... It'll still ring loudly from the mountain tops even if no one is around to proclaim it.

Thanks for your concern.

Much more truth will be revealed on Sept 17 when Mayweather meets the young lion Ortiz... don't miss it.

Radam G says:

Naku! Depends on what is your definition of poverty is, poverty is a catchword for bullsh*ting. Just like in the USA, you have people on poverty, but the vast amount of them have two televisions, a car or two, fridges, microwaves, DVD players, Playstations, etc., etc. And many of them live in upscaled neighborhoods by the enjoyment of Section 8. So are they really in poverty? [Maybe when it comes to personal income.]

C'mon B-Sug! The 8,000 islands of the Philippines is plentiful in every resource known to humanity. So-called 40 percent poverty is an imaginery boundary that some Western political nonsense has put on Eastern peoples to feel superior and powerful. A lot of the US jobs have already relocated to the Philippines on Subic Bay and Clark Air Base. But you have a lot of wrong sighting and misinterpetation about the Philippines. Besides, the U.S.A. owe us money -- just as it does India, China, Taiwan, Singapore, Japan and South Korea. Our Pinoy Pesos is now STRONG. The U.S. dollars is weak. But it is all right.

I understand that you saw the Philippines from the pride and arrogrance of your being American born and reared. A person may not believe what he sees, but he sees what he believes. Everywhere where there is the U.S. Navy -- including the USA -- their is poverty appearance adjacent to the bases. The same thing exists in San Diego, where I have a home and several business outlets. Any way, I was not picking a fight with you. I was just trying to say that you should be more openminded and not so imperialistic and certain that you are right about OPP -- Other Peoples' Philippines. Holla!

Radam G says:

One last point, B-Sug! Being on legal hold, you were suppose to be restricted to the base and let out only when you were in Philippine court. OMFG! But you were apparently one slick cookie gettin' on your A-Team-escape syet. Hehehehe! Man, you are too much. The whole U.S. Navy and Pinoy Mafia crook could not keep you detained. WOW! You're quite interesting. I know you are not going to share to me how you were escaping from the base, and getting your fun one, while the powers that be thought that they had your arse on lockdown inside the base. I'm impressed. It is all good. I'll just wait for you to write your book. I know that you are going write one. Don't try to convince me that you are not. Holla!

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

Pay that joker behind the curtain no attention. He claims to be a college professor of social behaviors, but he doesn't know the different from "hatred of" Asians with a cause and "racist toward Asians." And da sucka jumped on me and started fibbing about me being on SSI or some syet like dat. Somebodee and dey momma oughta tell him how well Asians do in the "Promised Land of America" and take care of our own. [Besides, the computer that dat sucka keyboard taps on is Asian MADE. Straight outta ASIA. Not from the "PEN," where too many ____ go. Somebody told me that they call it going to college. Wow! That is terrible for any type of ethnicity to believe that the only college for the vast majority of them is the "PEN." I suspect that there is a lot of pen*s-and-a$$ roll -- I mean shoulder-roll -- college teaching going at cellblock C.] Also this shoulder roll sucka came at me for not attacking FJC for calling Money May a monkey or something similar to that. But does anyone see that poppycock professor saying anything about criminals and hoodlums in London? NYET! I didn't think so.

In his own word, he realizes that this is a boxing site, but yet he makes a connection between "monkey," SSI, this Asian, and "racist toward Asians," but he says JACK NUFFIN' and front no connection between the British blacks and black immigrants murdering innocent, hard-working, law-abiding, British-Asian Citizens. I'm reminded of Rodney King Riots of 1992. A couple of jelly-belly, big-arse dome, African-American hoodlums rolled up on my little teenager arse [back then] in KoreaTown, and I dropped their big, ole arses like they were some chocolate-colored Humpty-Dumplies. KABOOM! OOPS! ZUNK! Dey had a GREAT FALL onto that jungle concrete of the City of Angels. Their domes cracked open like giant dragon eggs. Those devils were in the wrong place, messing with the wrong Asian. I fudged 'em UP! Then rode off into the night with a car-full of gun-carrying Koreans.

The poppycock professor could never get the moral of this story, but here it is. If you crack open dat ebony-colored eggshell-like, fat-arse noggin, nobody would need to put a bullet or two in it. Thus, you have saved lives. GIVE ME A _______ medal. By my whuppin' ebony-colored arses, the undertaker didn't have a supergood night. I was an unnoted hero of the 1992 L.A. riots. Hehehehe! Holla!



Ok Radam G, enough is enough. Let's keep the postings on this board about boxing. What does you killing or hospitalizing two black guys in Korea Town during the 1992 L.A. riots have to do with the "sweet science"? You have issues, but thats ok. Keep your personal issues to yourself! You have no right trying to put words in my mouth or any other poster on this board. I can't speak for others, but I know that you don't know me. I think you have some serious insecurity problems and don't like it when people disagree with you. We can agree to disagree, but lets keep the topics on boxing. You made a racist comment about Lateef Kayode a couple of months ago by calling him a gorrilla. "Real Talk" got in your a$$ and checked you before I could. That type of behavior won't and shouldn't be tolerated. I love debating, but race bating or accusing somebody of being racist because they don't agree with you is insane. In the words of Roberto Duran, "no mas!"

brownsugar says:

Radam, every 24/7 show about Pac starts off with the announcers explaining, "he started off as poor kid selling cigarettes in the streets of.....", I've never see Pac protest deny or direct a law suit toward HBO for slander or liebel, And Pac himself goes to great lengths to explain his lowly beginnings... He says that's why he can keep a level head ,.. his past is the foundation that helps keep his feet on the ground while his eye focused on the prize... it's his motivation for running for office... and you would ruin it in a weak effort to protect what you feel is negative image? You can't protect Pac from his past life...Pac exalts in his successes and so do his fans...... and from what I've seen of Pac.... he does a pretty good job of protecting himself.

They ought to call you the Filipino Fillabuster the way you can pump this stuff out by the ton...day and night..... you would think A man with your skills should be in congress with Pac...shutting down his opposition with one fillabustin rant after another...... your last post is so full of Jive I bet IceBerg Slim is rolling over in his grave.

I see you got jokes... but do you got Boxing?

Radam G says:

NO! B-Sug! Da Manny sold Pan de sal, as all kids do. Cigarettes selling is the adult business. Maybe you should go and review that 24/7. You can holla at it on HBO.com or Youtube. Da Manny was a poor kid selling Pan de sal, just as I was a rich kid selling Pan de sal, video movies, gold rings, etc., etc. I know that you believe that you are certain, but you are 100 percent wrong. Of course Da Manny had a low beginning. I don't deny that. Low is low, not necessary poor. The P-islands are full of the necessaries -- FOOD, WATER and LUV. Da Manny sold jive, so that his family could have some material comforts. Being POOR is subjective. American poor ain't got no business judging what Filipinos and Asians consider as poor. North Korea has a poor problem similar to Haiti and Somalia. But the Philippines does not. My nation has plenty of enough for people to survive in wealth of food, water and love. Your poor ain't Filipino poor. We see the world differently from you. But if you like to keep saying that we are POOR, or even PO -- because we cannot afford the O and R. go right ahead. Hehehehe! But it is all good, though, B-Sug. I don't expect for you to change your mind. The Filipino is use to being call some type of jive. IT doesn't, but it just ain't true. Holla.

Radam G says:

Obviously SRD has a comprehension problem and insecurity issues. I'm 100 REAL and LEGIT. Real Talk has never got into my arse for racist comments because I don't may them. This SRD is a troublemaker for all to see. This is the latest _____ who believes that he can control this Universe with his reverse racism, but he cannot. So he oughta to ____! Holla!

Radam G says:

Apparently da sucka doesn't know boxing slanguage. Gorrilla beatdown is a boxing term not a racist one. Everyone and his cousin in boxing talk about giving "Gorrilla beatdown." I'm a good friend of the African boxers that ___SRD lies about. What a w_____. Holla!

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

Apparently da sucka doesn't know boxing slanguage. Gorrilla beatdown is a boxing term not a racist one. Everyone and his cousin in boxing talk about giving "Gorrilla beatdown." I'm a good friend of the African boxers that ___SRD lies about. What a w_____. Holla!


At first you don't recall "Real Talk" pulling your card on that comment and now you try to defend it. The bottom line is that you offended many of the posters on this site when you made that comment. Keep the comments about boxing and there won't be any problems. I think we should have a annual TSS gathering to expose jokers like you, but cats like you usually hide behind the internet, telephone, or steering wheel.

Radam G says:

This Poppycock professor is as crooked as a banana, and he got the monkey on his back and can get it off. Trust ME! Real Talk is REAL TALK and righteous with da REAL. He can talk for himself. I've never been racist to a single boxer in or out of cyberspace. And absolutely no one has ever checkmated me on racist terminology toward any fighter, reader, writer or dey momma. This latest behavior of the shoulder roll defense nutcase under his latest TSS pseudonym ought to get a life and dump the imaginary racists that he keep posting about. [Dude is a racist piece of dejecta, so he thinks that everybody else is one.]

I'm a Thrilla from Manila and I've not called any boxers -- black, white, brown or purple -- a gorrilla. Maybe this chump catastrophe case has me mixed up with the Irish GOAT Ali. I guess it was that Irish blood in GOAT Ali that made him call Smokin' Joe Frazier "Da gorrilla." Grow UP, SRD! No real professor gets in cyberspace or any space and go bunker with make-believe. I'm certain that Real Talk will not appreciate you fibbin' on him. Holla!

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

This Poppycock professor is as crooked as a banana, and he got the monkey on his back and can get it off. The sucka is caught up in his ON GREAT FIBBING. I've never said syet about "not recalling" what Real Talk said, because he and your momma and my momma and everybody else momma never heard me call any boxer a racist term with the use of an animal. Besides, I think -- NO! I know -- that most gorrillas and monkeys are smarter than the average human. Trust ME! Real Talk is REAL TALK and righteous with da REAL. He can talk for himself. I've never been racist to a single boxer in or out of cyberspace. And absolutely no one has ever checkmated me on racist terminology toward any fighter, reader, writer or dey momma. This latest behavior of the shoulder roll defense nutcase under his latest TSS pseudonym ought to get a life and dump the imaginary racists that he keep posting about. [Dude is a racist piece of dejecta, so he thinks that everybody else is one.]

I'm a Thrilla from Manila and I've not called any boxers -- black, white, brown or purple -- a gorrilla. Maybe this chump catastrophe case has me mixed up with the Irish GOAT Ali. I guess it was that Irish blood in GOAT Ali that made him call Smokin' Joe Frazier "Da gorrilla." Grow UP, SRD! No real professor gets in cyberspace or any space and go bunker with make-believe. You are delusional and just believe that being black makes your arse tough, superior and feared. You don't have a clue. Good protects babies and fools. And you are no baby. I'm certain that Real Talk will not appreciate you fibbin' on him. Holla!



I'm not the only that post on here that realizes that you over step your boundaries and have some serious personal issues that need to be clinically addressed. Read the following post from a past thread, I'm not fibbing on any one. I was about to get in your a$$ also because you have no business degrading civil rights leaders or calling people gorrillas. Like Ice Cube says, "check yourself before you reck yourself." Refresh your mind with comment Real Talk made in reference to some of your comments on a previous thread:


Re: Mayweather To Fight Victor Ortiz On September 17
Originally Posted by Radam G
Shoulder Roll Defense, I am talking about the super experts, not low-level ones and boxing scribes. The late, great Gil Glancy didn't agree that SRR is the best ever. The late, great Eddie Futch didn't agree. The very live Angelo Dundee doesn't agree. Lou Duva doesn't agree. Ham Johnson doesn't agree. Billy Miller doesn't agree. Jesse Reid doesn't agree. Nacho Beristein doesn't agree. You get my point. Sugar Ray Robinson was a creation of civil rights avocates, just as all the great Robinsons were. Jackie Robinsons, Oscar Robinsons, Smokey Robinsons, Robinsons, Robinsons, etc., etc., These civil rights jokers love to give the African Americans Robinsons to admire, believe in and cheer for. They don't dig Jack Johnson and Muhammad Ali or any REAL GREAT P4P sportsman of color. I ain't African American, but I know what time it is. Holla!

Posted By Real Talk on 6/11/11
Civil rights jokers???!!! You jumping way out there. Don't come out your third eye talking about civil rights jokers. That's a slap in the face to all the people that got hung, blown up, beat up, bit by dogs and water hosed down and humiliated just because they wanted to be treated as equal American citizens. An Old timer once told me when people talk bad about someone they're really talking about themselves. You called Ali a racist the other day but the only one acting like a racist up in here is you with that Gorilla comment you made about Cayote. I losing a lot of respect for you. You come across as a childish adolescent type keyboard commando. Where they do that @?!?! You need to watch what you say or rather watch what you type. You're making an @$$ out of yourself up in here champ. You speak of what this person or that person says but I wonder if the people who's names you're trumpeting knew what you were saying would they even look at you the same. I doubt it, but you know where to do that....in here where it's safe. Shame...dishonor. Dueces

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

Did you really think I couldn't look up past comments Radam G?


Posted by Radam G on 6/11/11
Roach's Guy Kayode Wins Featured ShoBox Scrap Over Godfrey
I don't know what it is. But it is a certain power spark that Kayode just doesn't have. Maybe "Ready" Freddie "No Joke Coach" Roach need to have a fitness coach to check da Kayode spark plugs. Dude's is lacking that killer-instinct-gorrilla-beatdown spark. Holla!


Posted by Real Talk on 6/11/11
Re: Roach's Guy Kayode Wins Featured ShoBox Scrap Over Godfrey
For Real Though???? Gorrilla beatdown spark????

Radam G says:

You nut___, you made my point and straight fibbed on Real Talk. "Lacking that killer-instinct-gorrilla-beatdown spark" is for all fighters of any color. If you knew boksing, you poppycock professor, you'd know that "gorrilla-beatdown spark" is boxing slanguage. Readers in this Universe have heard me speak of it for the five years plus, that I've been here. Maybe Real Talk will just pass you by, because everybodeee and dey momma can see dat you are a jealous piece of crap trying bring chaos to this Universe with your _____ arse! Do us all a favor, and quit going ape syet, and go and professorize at your imaginary university. Probably the University of Jabberwocky at Bullsh*tuality. Everyone and his cousin know dat anybody can go to my more than 900 posts and find absolutely no racist comments, just boxing jive, maxims and slanguage. Twisting off the words of Uncle Roger May: "Most [poppycock professors] don't know sh*t 'bout boksin!'" You can con literally none of the TSS readers here, dude. Pull up your skirt and grow up. You ain't runnin' nuffin' herreeeee! Holla!

Radam G says:

Keep pulling up all my posts, SRD idiot. You are making me look better and better. You have yet to pull up a racist comment of mine, because none exist. You are the type of racist bigot that make up syet, because you believe that the world owes you something, and that it is picking on you for being black. And you can outsmart everybodee and dey momma with imaginary racist attacks coming your way. But than again, you claim to be Cherokee. That appears to be a case where you are denying your own blackness. Hehehehe! Move on, dude, because I surely will be. You cannot control your own self, so don't try to control yours truly. Post what you don't know, and that is boxing. Holla!

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

Keep pulling up all my posts, SRD idiot. You are making me look better and better. You have yet to pull up a racist comment of mine, because none exist. You are the type of racist bigot that make up syet, because you believe that the world owes you something, and that it is picking on you for being black. And you can outsmart everybodee and dey momma with imaginary racist attacks coming your way. But than again, you claim to be Cherokee. That appears to be a case where you are denying your own blackness. Hehehehe! Move on, dude, because I surely will be. You cannot control your own self, so don't try to control yours truly. Post what you don't know, and that is boxing. Holla!



Academia 101, site your sources. The post that I pulled up speak volumes about your ignorance. You talk about stuff that doesn't relate to boxing and is offensive to some people. I don't think that you are racist, but you are definitely ignorant and shouldn't talk about other people's culture when you don't have a clue about it. ON SEPTEMBER 17TH YOU WILL LOOK LIKE THE FOOL YOU ARE. IF YOU KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT BOXING YOU WOULDN'T BE FOOLISH ENOUGH TO PICK AGAINST MAYWEATHER. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANY EXCUSES AFTER MONEY CRUISES TO A UD. I HOPE YOU TAKE IT LIKE A MAN ON SEPTEMBER 17TH. ALSO, YOU BETTER HOPE THAT MARQUEZ HASN'T TAPPED INTO THE FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH LOL.

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

Radam G: "But than again, you claim to be Cherokee. That appears to be a case where you are denying your own blackness. Hehehehe"


Once again you are speaking on things you don't know. I don't claim to be Cherokee, I am Cherokee; as well as African-American and French. I love and identify with all three cultures, so stop trying to put me in the box because you don't know me. Smithsonian and the National Musuem of the American Indian have a traveling exhibit that I was fortunate to be a part of intitled "IndiVisible: African-Native American lives in the Americas." You should check it out if you get a chance. There are plenty of African-Native Americans that identify with both cultures. I'm not trying to attack you, but I don't like it when you try to stereotype me. You will never hear me disrespect Filipino people or culture, so please don't disrespect me. Game recognizes game and respect is given and then earned.

Radam G says:

You are an idiot! If gorilla is a racist word toward blacks, who is "The Fighting Gorilla" of the 1920s. And tell me who is the very popular Gorilla Jones of Akron, Ohio. I can care less what you claim to be, poppycock professor of an imaginary university or community college, depending on what lie you are going to use next. You are on my List of the RidicuList. In Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, besides the obvious anthropoid ape, gorilla also means "an ugly or brutal man," and also "THUG" and "GOON." Boxing is a very brutal sports, faker! So Shoulder Rude with the imaginary racism, oughta grow his old, gray, a$$ up and quit bycthing about this imaginary racial conspiracy that he believes is going on in TSSU. Da sucka has come after me, because he has apparent fear of reader FJC.

Beast is a euphemism for gorilla. I'm reminded of "Beauty and the Beast," and John "The Beast" Mugabe. He ain't a beauty, so I guess that he is a black man, who is a racist against himself. Everybody and his cousin know that King Kong is a big-a$$ gorilla. So I guess that African fighter, who uses "King Kong" as his nickname is a fudging black sellout. And tell me about the ex wrestler Gorilla Monsoon? Is he racistly mocking blacks for calling his on very white a$$ gorilla?

SRD, under any of your TSS pseudonyms, your know-nothing p***a$$ oughta stop! You're a fudging disgrace with your simpleton racial conspiracies. And you are BIG coward for coming after me because FighterforJC got into your syet with the use of the word "MONKEY." Learn boksing slanguage, chump a___ ____! And quit cowarding from FJC. Whatever black-white war and Cherokee-white war that you have with the white man, I ain't in it! We already whup ya' arse when you came Buffalo Soldier marching into the Philippines. Got the Mayweathers so fudging paranoid and frighten that they have come up with some mythical syet that we use known as A-side Meth to cow down from dancing with Da Manny. And I wonder if Vicious Victor O's leftovers of Money May is gonna want any part of Da Manny. I think NOT! Holla!

Radam G says:

The boxer nicknamed King Kong could take too many punches to the cojones. Hehehehehe! A shot to the nuts will make anybody go apesh*t! Holla!

the Roast says:

This is good times! We got a FOTY candidate right here!

Radam G says:

Spot on! The Roast is BACK! Where da heck have you been, "FOTY candidate?" Holla!

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

Radam G, I don't agree with some of things you say, but I give you respect. Thank you for clarifying YOUR usage of "gorrilla" in reference to Kayode. However, you can't assume that everybody uses slang universally the same. In the communities that I am from, calling a person of color a gorrilla or monkey is a quick way to get your head split open. Most African-Americans would agree that when Ali called Frazier a gorrilla, he was calling him ugly and using mind games to get in his head, thus gorrilla WASN'T being used in a racist context. When Joseph Agbeko is referred to as "King Kong," it is in reference to his ferocity and dominance, NOT in the context of his RACE. Once again, I don't know you and you don't know me, therefore lets keep the topics about BOXING.

Also, I am asking because I don't know, which is what an intelligent person does. Please clarify your comment about Mayweather in regards to A-side meth? Peace, holla back! Oh, and on another note, I did check FJC when he made the monkey comment about Mayweather and Brown Sugar kind of checked him also. Please review the pervious post in the archives. Peace!

brownsugar says:

and we go to the judges score cards... can we get a round of applause these two warriors.

Condor says:

SRD wins. I've been reading TSS since 2005 (several monikers - I too like Son of Sam Peter, Roast), and EVERYTHING for Radam is race. EVERYTHING. When in doubt, it's racism. He's the most hyper-sensitive person I've ever encountered when it comes to race. See for yourself. Read his next 10 posts, race will come up. EVERYONE is a racist (except for him, of course). Although, pinoys are Gods on earth. They're flawless, clean, pure, live to 157 years old, know EVERYTHING. The Phillipines is UTOPIA. FU-K the United States. America sucks. The Phillipines is where its at. Everyone's rich and prosperous there. Why even maintain a residency in the US? Move back. And yes, I understand that you wipe your a-s with $100 bills, and you've got 9 figures collecting dust in a Swiss bank account, on top of the $70mm you have yawning in a Bank of America account, and you KNOW, and have a deeply personal relationship with Barack Obama, and you took a sh-t on Ali, and you've held MAJOR titles in 4 different weight classes, and we all know NOTHING, and you know EVERYTHING. You speak 7 languages, you fu-k glamorous women, you'd throw Sharapova out of bed because she doesn't meet your standard, you WILL be POTUS soon. You cured polio. You're 705 for 705 in fight picks. You don't know what it's like to lose. You don't know adversity. You're GOD. Yes, we know. We've heard it all before.

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

SRD wins. I've been reading TSS since 2005 (several monikers - I too like Son of Sam Peter, Roast), and EVERYTHING for Radam is race. EVERYTHING. When in doubt, it's racism. He's the most hypersensitive person I've ever encountered when it comes to race. See for yourself. Read his next 10 posts, race will come up. EVERYONE is a racist (except for him, of course). Although, pinoys are Gods on earth. They're flawless, clean, pure, live to 157 years old, know EVERYTHING. Americans are impure, corrupt, stupid, and filthy. The Phillipines is UTOPIA. There's no poverty there. The dirty Yanks soiled that land. FU-K the United States. America sucks. The Phillipines is where you'll flourish. Everyone's rich and prosperous there. Why even maintain a residency in the US? Move back. Sure, you can drop $6mm on a beach house in San Diego, big deal. Let it burn. And yes, I understand that you wipe your a-s with $100 bills, and you've got 9 figures collecting dust in a Swiss bank account, on top of the $70mm you have yawning in a Bank of America account, and you KNOW, and have a deeply personal relationship with Barack Obama, and you took a ghastly sh-t on Ali, and you've held MAJOR titles in 4 different weight classes, and we all know NOTHING, and you know EVERYTHING. Larry Holmes is a punk. He's an assho-e. He's fecal matter on one's shoe. You still foot his bill. You speak 17 languages, you fu-k glamorous women, you'd throw Sharapova out of bed because she doesn't meet your standard, you WILL be POTUS soon. You cured polio. You'll cure cancer. You're 1705 for 1706 in fight picks (only missed Arreola KO2 V Klitschko). Hector Camacho is better P4P than Walker Smith Jr. Hell, so is Camacho Jr. Panama Lewis was INNOCENT and is RIGHTEOUS. Pera Pac is your bit-h. You advise him. He needs to clear his itinerary with YOU. You're GOD. Yes, we know. We've heard it all before.

Radam G, we both DEEPLY detest each other. Neither of us would save each other from imminent death. But you have some nerve man. But you know what, you're probably a 14 year old kid typing away, and I'm truly the a-s for taking you seriously.



Hilarious, your post had me rolling on the floor!

Radam G says:

The birdbrain Condor will get no reading of his bullshyt by your's truly. He is an old, gray, smelly, cripple, dodo who tries everything possible to get attention from me, since his sorry, trifling a$$ cannot clone in this world. I would expect for you to find anything he says as "hilarious," SRD. [You need the release from my retort.] It was also hilarious when one of your cohorts said that God made the bottom of a black man feet white as a sign to how a ____ is meant to walk on and floor one. I find you and Condor hyper-racists of the same cloth, who don't know syet about boksing, and are like a sickling virus trying to infect this new TSSU.

You psychoclowns use this forum to spread hatred, because your pathetic, fading lives have not been in your charge. You work and lie your arses off and still remain and recline at the bottom of the financial and social ladder. And then you -- SRD -- actually have the audacity to attacking people on SSI, apparently because you believe that I'm on it. YUP! NYET! Wow! Bitter ______cases, because you wasted your whole life away and now that dirt nap is around the corner. As not many people know you, not many people will miss you, or will attend your last act -- corpse time -- to get attention. Holla!

Condor says:

Radam, we only wish we could be as enlightened as you. Man, I pity the people that are forced to stomach you in real life. Those poor souls. I'd rather endure Auschwitz. You pass judgement on others all the time. You're simply out of line. And I'm thrilled to see that Brownsugar and Shoulder Roll Defense walked all over you. All you know is ad hominem attacks. That's your whole game. Name calling. Woohoo. Real clever. You write like a 14 year old illiterate child. "Hehehehehehehe." Little girls use that phrase. You're are pathetic man. Truly pathetic.

You give pinoys a very bad name.

Radam G says:

Apparently there is no boksing in your communities, SRD. How much about the game do the people from your communities know? Apparently not much, because using the word gorrila is common as using the term one, two, three! Holla!

Condor says:

And yes, you're right, I do miss cloning you. It was fun as hell. And I was good at it. People never knew the difference. Because you're so out there, so psychotic, misinformed, and warped, that whatever I concocted was simply accepted as genuine from "Radam G Always Humble." What was the other, Radam G AKA Humble PRG. Radam G giving 10% to Charity. Just nonsense and more nonsense. The irony is that you called yourself humble, and if .00001% of what you claim is true, you're the most arrogant asshole on the planet. And not for nothing, but name-droppers are NEVER in the know. NEVER. You're a joke. And like I said, we hate each other. You're pond scum to me. Below pond scum. And I'd never want it any other way.

Condor says:

And last thing, I absolutely do NOT seek your attention. Frankly it's quite the opposite. But you know what, I was reading this the other night and almost responded, but didn't. Then I read it today and couldn't resist. Who the hell do you think you are to talk sh-t like that to Brownsugar, SRD, or any other readers for that matter? My last statement on this: FU-K YOU!

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

Apparently there is no boksing in your communities, SRD. How much about the game do the people from your communities know? Apparently not much, because using the word gorrila is common as using the term one, two, three! Holla!


I try to level with you, but you just won't quit. Go to Compton, Watts, or Ingelwood and call one of the brothers a gorrilla and I gurantee you that you will get "dropped like a bad habit." You don't know anybody on this board or the communities and cultures that we belong to. You are a coward and don't exist in the real world, get a life! If you are going to post on one of my comments, keep it in the context of boxing.

Radam G says:

You are full of IT! I've been to Compton, Watts and Ingelwood. The boxers, basketballers and footballers -- of all hues -- call each other gorilla, beast and ape 24/7. But I guess that ya' musta' fo'got dat more than blacks reside in the above locations. C'mon, DUDE! Ya' oughta QUIT! [Gorilla is sports' talk from the streets, gyms and playing fields, courts and, of course dat squared jungle.] "Dat mothafu*cka is a gorilla on the field," is the saying in football. Matter of fact, back when SnoopDogg's, aka Uncle Snoop Dogg, son was the superstar of Snoop Dogg little league footballers, which included kids of all different ethnics, the coaches always spoke about the tough, hard-hitting kids being fu*king gorillas and apes on the field. In every boxing gym and MMA/UFC gym in SoCal and NoCal, the blacks, whites, Latins and Asians use the term "fu*king gorilla" and "fu*king beast" BIG TIME, all the TIME.

Dude, I'm not some INTERNET nutcase or a chump making up syet like you. I've been around the brothas -- even those with real Cherokee Indian blood -- in Long Beach, Compton, Watts, Ingelwood, Santa Monica, San Diego, Oakland and every da*n where else in Cali virually my whole life, especially the boxing and athletic part.

FYI, ex-egger-ration [sic] won't get you anywhere. Even a birdbrain know that gorillas, like humans, come in different hues. I just watched the latest movie of the Planet of the Ape in South Central LA. In the movie, there was an old, gray, a$$ gorilla, who's ugly mug and double-wide a$$ is just like the meddling birdbrain. HILARIOUS! SRD, you must really be super color blind. I've seen blonde, brown, black, red, white and gray-haired gorillas. Danggit! I guess the non-black ones must be passing or sumptin!'

I guess you have already written to all the movie theatres, including Magic Johnson ones, and told them to quit showing the fudging ape movie, because it is offensive to some [black] people. You will no doubt stay on my Radam G's LIST of the super fudging RidicuList. I even saw a Filipino-speaking gorilla in the ape movie, and I ain't mad! Hehehehe! WTF! I guarantee you are 100 percent wrong about any dude in your locale "dropp[ing me] like a bad habit." You are such a name-caller and everyone reader is on to you, or should be. I agree that you should stay with the context of boxing, because you are outta ya poppycock professor class with your's truly. Holla!

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

You are full of IT! I've been to Compton, Watts and Ingelwood. The boxers, basketballers and footballers -- of all hues -- call each other gorilla, beast and ape 24/7. But I guess that ya' musta' fo'got dat more than blacks reside in the above locations. C'mon, DUDE! Ya' oughta QUIT! [Gorilla is sports' talk from the streets, gyms and playing fields, courts and, of course dat squared jungle.] "Dat mothafu*cka is a gorilla on the field," is the saying in football. Matter of fact, back when SnoopDogg's, aka Uncle Snoop Dogg, son was the superstar of Snoop Dogg little league footballers, which included kids of all different ethnics, the coaches always spoke about the tough, hard-hitting kids being fu*king gorillas and apes on the field. In every boxing gym and MMA/UFC gym in SoCal and NoCal, the blacks, whites, Latins and Asians use the term "fu*king gorilla" and "fu*king beast" BIG TIME, all the TIME.

Dude, I'm not some INTERNET nutcase or a chump making up syet like you. I've been around the brothas -- even those with real Cherokee Indian blood -- in Long Beach, Compton, Watts, Ingelwood, Santa Monica, San Diego, Oakland and every da*n where else in Cali virually my whole life, especially the boxing and athletic part.

FYI, ex-egger-ration [sic] won't get you anywhere. Even a birdbrain know that gorillas, like humans, come in different hues. I just watched the latest movie of the Planet of the Ape in South Central LA. In the movie, there was an old, gray, a$$ gorilla, who's ugly mug and double-wide a$$ is just like the meddling birdbrain. HILARIOUS! SRD, you must really be super color blind. I've seen blonde, brown, black, red, white and gray-haired gorillas. Danggit! I guess the non-black ones must be passing or sumptin!'

I guess you have already written to all the movie theatres, including Magic Johnson ones, and told them to quit showing the fudging ape movie, because it is offensive to some [black] people. You will no doubt stay on my Radam G's LIST of the super fudging RidicuList. I even saw a Filipino-speaking gorilla in the ape movie, and I ain't mad! Hehehehe! WTF! I guarantee you are 100 percent wrong about any dude in your locale "dropp[ing me] like a bad habit." You are such a name-caller and everyone reader is on to you, or should be. I agree that you should stay with the context of boxing, because you are outta ya poppycock professor class with your's truly. Holla!



You are as bad as Don Imus trying to justify his racial slurs. "They call each other the N-word." You need to stop, "Condor" and others have you all figured out. I have participated in athletics my whole life and haven't ever heard people from my communities refer to each others as "gorrillas." The term "beast" is used to describe a player who is unstoppable or having a great game, etc. It isn't used in a racial context. What high school did you go to? What year did you graduate? What sports did you participate in? A nut case like you wouldn't have been able to make intermural sports in Los Angeles. Game recognizes game and a real athlete wouldn't be talking the BS that you are. "I'm on the Radam G list"! Really, who the heck are you? Probably a midget with a Napoleon complex!

brownsugar says:

@CONDOR, Awesome post... Proverbs says open dislike(hate) is far healthier than secret love that is never expressed. Especially the part about us Americans...... Personally I'm proud to be one dispite the bleating voices of terrorist propoganda,... besides how can a nation whose population is made up of people from all over the globe, from every country on the planet be reduced to a stereotype?

It's natural and healthy for folks to be biased toward their own ethnic group, or nationality, etc..Its all part of the fun... (just like football fans root for the teams that inhabit their cities).. But the more extreme forms of racial bias is reserved for those who are truly the most insecure about who they are a person.

I'd say that the Klitschko brothers have probably been victimized the most by this, Even though I attribute much of their dominance to their size, at least they both have taken on the top contenders at least 1-3 times a year for almost a decade now while scouring out the heavyweight division like an extra strength bottle of Tidy-Bowl. And they've done this in very professional manner, always ready,.. always prepared..... Even though we can complain about the boring fights and weak contenders,.. based upon the virtue of strickly winning one challenge after another , the K brothers should at least be in the top P4P #1,#2, or #3 position of the argument. .....you should rant more often.

Condor says:

Thanks Brownsugar. It truly is a pleasure reading your opinions and insights on TSS.

No two people will agree on everything. That's human nature. But when a disagreement arises, to always cry racism and "asian hater" and to fiercely attack one's PERSONAL LIFE EXPERIENCES as disingenuous and the like is simply an outrage. It's abundantly clear that what you write is sincere and genuine. To try and state that you're misinformed or naive or worse is an absolute insult (understatement). And this behavior has been going on for YEARS.

And yes indeed with regard to the K's. Even though they've fought in a bleak era, and haven't had an opponent define them (Lennox to a degree with VK; WK none), it's their dedication to the craft (always in shape, ready, and willing to fight any and all, etc) that I admire. Do I hope someone steps up and beats them? Sure. It would be great for boxing. I've always felt that boxing's overall bill of health is better with a heavyweight division that's relevant.

@SRD: Keep it up man. And I'm with you. If I strolled into the rough section of my city and started dropping the word gorilla, I'd have written my last post.

Radam G says:

Dude has serious PARAMNESIA! An old fart with a bad lean. Youth would crush him like a jelly bean. Wow! I never knew that a poppycock professor of an imaginary university was so full of hullabaloo and such a vexatious _______. I guess his old, cripple arse is not in the know in this zoom age of information. "Game recognizes game." YUP! Scum game just keep trying to run a con and control the flow of reality and actuality of the cats, who've DONE DAT and KNO' DAT! Da sucka ____got on his warbonnet. And with everybodee and dey momma, he is a BIG_TIME faker, I willing bet. Da sucka can't stand da heat, and is so old dat he cannot keep his arse neat. Everyone and his cousin know who's real and who's not.

I'm reminded of my man Evander Holyfield's bar-b-cue sauce. A couple of weeks ago, I was hanging out with him at Albertson in Lemon Groove, Ca., as he was promoting the B-sause. This big dude -- about 6-foot-4, 400 pounds -- stepped up to get on his purchase. He told Holy and myself that hope the B-sauce could give him "some gorilla-smackin' power like yall boxers." So, one again, SRD is full of syet or just likely lives a mudholed existence and has never been around elite athletes. Da sucka has been exposed!

One can go to Youtube and HEAR Money May calling HIMSELF a "GORILLA," during the joint L.A.-promotion pressday of leading up to the Mayweather-Mosley dance. And one can go to Youtube and holla at the 24/7 footage of Money-May-Marquez. In that footage, Money May said that Marquez could drink his [Money May's] "GORILLA PISS." Now how is the ____ gonna Houdini his trifl*ng arse outta this one? HE'S NOT! Because those in the know already know his type and my A-CHAMPION-FOR-LIFE type, who knows the know, done da DO and speak the REAL. Everybody and dey momma can go on Youtube and hear Money May in "Living Color." You can even holla at Smokin' Joe Frazier calling himself gorilla.

This is the age of ZOOM information and even IP tracking. If I were and A-hole, I'd give you da sucka's name so you could go to Beenverified.com and holla at the real him. I'm cool with any fool. Holla!

Radam G says:

FYDAI, I'm the same true height, size and built as Money May. [You can holla at me in a few of Missy E's videos, life waster and now mad about it. What was your youth really spent on? Fu*king up and looking for imaginary whiteman's oppression alibis. You shoulda and coulda just suck dat sh*t up.] So I guess that Money May is a "midget" too. {He wouldn't talk to you, anyway.] And he's gonna get his fudging "midget," long-in-da-tooth, arthritis-in-da-knee-caps-and-shoulder-blades arse tore UP! Vicious Victor O is gonna put it on him. Old men, as you, who haven't done sh*t with their lives, think syet last forever. But, at least, Money May was a superbad multi-divisional champion in da pros and da amateurs. He's one of the ATGS; better than Sugar Ray Robinson IMHO. More than ya a$$ could say, SRD.

Beenverified.com and IP trackers are the worst nightmare for an old cyberspace chump, who hallucianates being a "sparring partner for Marvelous Marvin Hagler," an employee "for Don King, and now "a part-time California college professor" calling me a SSI case on one post and now back to calling me a midget under his latest TSS psuedonym. WTF! What a bunch of poppycock! Wow! I'm glad that my good genes won't allow me to get so _____ as yo ___ _____! Some people have holes in the flicking head to match their holes in da ___ grill. Man, go see a denist and a doctor. In this age of advanced technology to have a very good chance of gettin' fixed. Holla!

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

FYDAI, I'm the same true height, size and built as Money May. [You can holla at me in a few of Missy E's videos, life waster and now mad about it. What was your youth really spent on? Fu*king up and looking for imaginary whiteman's oppression alibis. You shoulda and coulda just suck dat sh*t up.] So I guess that Money May is a "midget" too. {He wouldn't talk to you, anyway.] And he's gonna get his fudging "midget," long-in-da-tooth, arthritis-in-da-knee-caps-and-shoulder-blades arse tore UP! Vicious Victor O is gonna put it on him. Old men, as you, who haven't done sh*t with their lives, think syet last forever. But, at least, Money May was a superbad multi-divisional champion in da pros and da amateurs. He's one of the ATGS; better than Sugar Ray Robinson IMHO. More than ya a$$ could say, SRD.

Beenverified.com and IP trackers are the worst nightmare for an old cyberspace chump, who hallucianates being a "sparring partner for Marvelous Marvin Hagler," an employee "for Don King, and now "a part-time California college professor" calling me a SSI case on one post and now back to calling me a midget under his latest TSS psuedonym. WTF! What a bunch of poppycock! Wow! I'm glad that my good genes won't allow me to get so _____ as yo ___ _____! Some people have holes in the flicking head to match their holes in da ___ grill. Man, go see a denist and a doctor. In this age of advanced technology to have a very good chance of gettin' fixed. Holla!


I'm going to ask you the question again because you are obviously insane. How much is your SSI check? You are one insane nut case! I never said I was an employee for Don King or a sparring partner for Hagler. Please site your sources and post that if you have evidence that I ever said that lol. This a democratic society and majority rules. You are the only poster on this site that has caused problems or over stepped your boundaries on numerous occassions. I can pull up post from Brown Sugar, Condor, and Real Talk. You need to keep the topics on boxing or find another site, plain and simple.

Just because a race or culture uses certain phrases, doesn't give you the right to do so. Money May isn't speaking in the context of race when he uses the term gorrilla in reference to himself. The "N" word in the African-American community can be traced back to slavery, but African-Americans aren't using it in racial context when they refer to each other by using it. Also, Snoop Dogg and Money May don't speak on behalf of the entire African-American community. The last time I checked it is pretty diverse lol! Stop talking about other people's cultures and stick to what you supposedly know, which is boxing lol. Keep the Buffalo Soldiers and Civil Rights leaders out of your mouth. Your opinions on those topics have a place on another site, not this one. Peace, I'm out like Pac Man getting knocked out by Rustico Torrecampo, Holler!

Radam G says:

Everybodee and dey momma can see for themselves. Dude is _______! His sorry ____ is obsessed with a SSI check, because it is so obvious that the U.S. government is sending him one. But that it how Uncle Sam is. He takes care of his sick nephew, because nobody else will. Da sucka oughta be glad that he is an American and quit all that racism syet. Dude has about 20 personalities that keep changing up. Nobody has been talking about syet in a racist contest but that ____. I'm out like Mayweather never beating a non-black southpaw. In the amateurs, he got he arse served. And Vicious Victor O is gonna cut his arse up worst than Reggie Sanders did. Money May's psy-ops won't work, but VVO black-ops will. Holla!

Radam G says:

Hey, SRD, Superboxingscribe, Michael Marley, the self-proclaimed "White Gorilla," scribbled that black Amerian boxers are a vanishing breed." What is your opinion about that? Just asking! Holla!

brownsugar says:

excuse me for butting in............. but I can tell you that intercity swimming pools, tennis courts and athletic programs at schools and recreation centers are either shutting down or forcing parents to pay higher fees than their budget can withstand.. 4 of the major amateur boxing gyms in the Buckeye capitol are down for the count... even the one that I trained in that also produced a gold medalist in the 80's.. Kids have better options today, and the sport is no longer televised at the amateur or pro level on network TV anymore...as a result the sport is not attraction as large a pool of candidates as it once did because it's damn near invisible. But Thankfully Mexican immigrants are flocking to the sport in droves... It's not dead yet... just slowed down to a trickle... as young black athletes have many more options to weigh now than they did decades ago. I was Following this years Olympic trials... We have 3-5 team members who may medal in the Olympics this year..(not the worst team,.. but definitely not the best either)

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

Hey, SRD, Superboxingscribe, Michael Marley, the self-proclaimed "White Gorilla," scribbled that black Amerian boxers are a vanishing breed." What is your opinion about that? Just asking! Holla!


That is a interesting question Radam G. To a degree I have to agree, especially in reference to the heavyweight division. Most of the elite African-American athletes are playing basketball or football. Basketball is around 80-85 percent black and American football is around %70 black. Jackie Robinson is probably turning over in his grave because MLB is under %10 African-American, which is sad. Like baseball, boxing isn't marketed properly in the black communites. The kids see Lebron and Kobe commercials and rather pick up a basketball. Light Heavyweight on down to jr. welterweight is still littered with quality black fighters, but they are usually kids that come from boxing families/communities. If USA boxing wants to improve upon their recent dismal olympic outings, they better invest in creating quality inner city amauter programs. They need to some how divert the attention of these supremely gifted kids that choose basketball and football over second tier sports such as boxing, soccer, and baseball. The little league baseball series is going on right now and I haven't seen many teams that have a African-American kid on it. How and why did this shift occur? My father is 69 and when he was a child baseball was the number one sport in America and he was able to go to the movie theater to watch boxing replays on the regular. He also listend to boxing on the radio! This is a different era and there has been a cultural shift in the interest of African-American athletics. However, after the Kiltschko brothers finally end their reign over the heavyweight division; there is a good chance that the next champion of one of the belts will be a second-tier African-American athlete that slipped through the grasp of the NFL and NBA.

Radam G says:

Wow! I don't quite agree. I think that the rest of the world just caught up, just like in basketball. You see how cats from all over the world is now in American-style basketball. Boxing use to be dominantly a poor-man sport with little schooling. A bunch of hard heads. Blacks were drawn to it because of the quick opportunities and money. Now you have over 50 percent of the champions in the game with college degrees. I'd love to say that I was one of the egg heads in the game. Holla!

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

Wow! I don't quite agree. I think that the rest of the world just caught up, just like in basketball. You see how cats from all over the world is now in American-style basketball. Boxing use to be dominantly a poor-man sport with little schooling. A bunch of hard heads. Blacks were drawn to it because of the quick opportunities and money. Now you have over 50 percent of the champions in the game with college degrees. I'd love to say that I was one of the first egg heads in the game. Don't ask me who I am. I'm hiding in plain sight and The roast is moving in on my "Kid Rapido" arse. And NO! I ain't on SSI. Maybe OPP, "you know me!" Holla!


Don't take my SSI comments serious. You know how isht talking can get, it's all good!

Radam G says:

Hehehehehe! Holla!

brownsugar says:

That's the same thing I said RG,... the sports been imported into other sectors of society... even the bible says the first will be last and the last will be first. Boxing is not the only option for african americans anymore,.. but the international community has been flooding into the gap for the last 15-20 years... makes things much more interesting. If you want to talk about racial dominance in boxing, I'm not going there with you,... in my eyes it's up to the individual, not the genetics.

Radam G says:

Never has boksing been about "racial dominance," just a poor-man sports for many years. Whenever ethnicites moved up in American society out of being the bottom immigrants -- from other countries or the Southern part of the U.S.A for black -- in the Promised Land, they moved out of the hurt bitnezz. Boxing served as a quick opportunity to make money and to get to the good life for tons of children of new-arriving immigrants starting back in the 1890s. A lot of these kids sneaked to boxing, and hid it from their mothers -- who were against it -- by not fighting in their real names. Until the 1960s, 80 percent of boxers boxed in names that they were not born with. The more famous would be the likes of Jack Johnson, Tony Zale, Willie Pep, Rocky Marciano, Jersey Joe Walcott, Sugar Ray Robinson and Henry Armstong to name a few. Holla!

brownsugar says:

Wow 24/7 was a blast as usual,... but at the expense of Floyd Sr. I read about the incident where Floyd Jr kicked his dad out of his training camp. but to actually see it,.. it appeared to be pretty disrespectful on the surface. When it comes to family, you never know the complete story from both sides... but I expect this is something that's been brewing for some time.

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

Wow 24/7 was a blast as usual,... but at the expense of Floyd Sr. I read about the incident where Floyd Jr kicked his dad out of his training camp. but to actually see it,.. it appeared to be pretty disrespectful on the surface. When it comes to family, you never know the complete story from both sides... but I expect this is something that's been brewing for some time.


I don't care what kind of beef you have with your parents; you don't crap on them on national television. I felt sorry for Mayweather Sr. and embarassed for Mayweather Jr. Roger shouldn't have allowed his brother and nephew to get into such a silly argument!

brownsugar says:

ShoulderRoll,...I think the majority of the people watching were similarly shocked and outraged. Without going into a lenthy Biblical exposition, Honoring your father is one of lifes spiritual principles..violating that principle can result in a curse on your life.. Floyd and his dad definitely need to work some things out..."Privately".... according to insiders Floyd Jr has been growing increasingly resentful of Floyd Sr's constant interviews and weekly internet PODcasts where he's always taking credit for Floyds successes... not to mention the fact that Floyd Sr was continuing to publically accuse Pac of using PED's long after Floyd Jr decided it was best to refrain from such comments during an ongoing lawsuit. Whatever the reason it does't rationalize that type of outburst. Floyd Jr will undoubtedly be receiving the flack from this episode for weeks to come. In usual form he'll more than likely make a public apology.... But the damage is done... Even the normally talkative Roger looked concerned and tried to call Jr down. It may make for good TV, as the ratings, reveiws, and notoriety are going thru the roof,.. but it was a real sad and embarrassing moment for both father and son.

Radam G says:

I'm 100 PERCENT SHOCK! SRD and I have something that we agree upon. And HBO is still a piece of dejecta. HBO did a similar thing to Vicious Victor Ortiz because his loss to Maidana. It let him lose his mind in going off on his father, who apparently abandoned the kid. HBO tried the same syet with Da Manny. It wanted Da Manny to go off on his father. Of course, the jive station didn't get it. It didn't the same thing to the Filipino Flash. It had TFF speaking badly of his father. And, of course, you saw what happen with Fam May. HBO is agitating this type of animalistic syet of minority for rating. It just to do the same thing to the Garcia family. Danny, VVO's trainer should to Robert's house cussing with HBO camera behind him. Robert did the right thing and called the cops. HBO is no doubt the humbuggery bullsh*t offender to the dirty landry of boxers of color. Holla!

Radam G says:

Bottomline, HBO is full of bullsyet. The fighters should crackdown on giving full excess to it. I salute trainer Robert Garcia for not playing into the jive that HBO tied to get him to do with his kuya -- elder brother -- Danny. As I salute Uncle Roger for not playing that sad sh*t. HBO really was trying to stage some Cain-and-Able brother Biblical beatdown sh*t. It wanted the big brothers -- Danny and Pops Joy -- to metaphoric slay the younger ones, Robert and Uncle Roger, with a metaphoric jackass bone.

That was some sad, sorry-arse footage of Pops Joy May and his seed. The viewing of a son-father war syet like that, no viewers need. HBO could have showed class, and faded to black and sound off while that syet was going. But the station was just concerned about high ratings. HBO left the Garcia brothers alone when Robert would not come out of his house and fight with his kuya Danny. And then the HBO video team really got those a$$es outta Dodge when Johnny Law sped up in black-and-white wagons with cherries on top. FUDGE HBO!

24/7 has become a sensational piece of crap seeking disfunctional bullsyet of boksing families of color. HBO's motto is to peddle that Anglo boxing trainers/fathers are sorry, ineffective trainers for their sons. And that boxers of color have disfunctional, violent relationship with their pops and bros.

Footnote: Everyone and his cousin know that Pops Joy May's old arse cannot and could not whup his son, so why even show the temporary insanity of a delusional, jealous father who felt betrayed? Besides, Just as Robert Garcia called the cops to get his kuya Danny Garcia removed from his proverty, Money May coulda and shoulda and woulda done the same with the cops removing Pops Joy May from his proverty if not for sorry-arse HBO. It didn't won't cops conducting the right thing -- LAW and ORDER! Shame on HBO! It never fails to continue its sneaky, trifling bullspit and double bullsh*t! Holla!

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