Recently, Mosley's Been A Little Misleading About His Fight With Mayweather

BY Frank Lotierzo ON April 18, 2011
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Recently, Shane Mosley 46-6-1 (39) has been saying that he'll look a lot better against Manny Pacquiao 52-3-2 (38) next month than he did Floyd Mayweather last year because Manny will engage him more than Floyd did when they fought. In other words Mosley is insinuating that Mayweather didn't win by fighting him straight up. And if you buy Mayweather ran from Mosley  when they fought you must have missed the fight or don't know what you were watching.

Since Mosley was shutdown and out-thought and fought by Mayweather he was held to a 12-round draw by Sergio Mora in his next bout four months later. Ironically, in Mora's next fight he lost a split decision to Brian Vera 18-5 (11). Shane has blamed Mora practically being a middleweight and a defensive first minded fighter as the reasons why he wasn't impressive during the fight. And although that may be partly true, I believe it's more the case of how Mosley has regressed as a fighter.

Before Mosley's high profile bout with Floyd Mayweather in May of last year both fighters were subjected to Olympic style blood and drug testing. In the dressing room before going out to the ring the night of the fight, Mosley looked like an empty package shadow boxing and warming up. And it's my belief that Mosley had to give up a lot more blood for the testing before the fight than Mayweather did. No, I cannot prove it but with the suspicion being around Mosley more than Mayweather in regards to fighters using supposed performance enhancing drugs, that's what my instincts tell me. And when it comes to the behind the scenes goings on in professional boxing, I trust my instincts.

What I can speak to with impunity is what transpired over the course of the 12-rounds Shane and Floyd spent in the ring against each other. After a somewhat uneventful first round, Mosley almost put Floyd away with a right hand during the second round. Mayweather survived the round and seemed to be recovered by the bell ending it. Starting in the third round and all the way through the 12th and final round, Mayweather was in control of the bout. For 10 straight rounds Floyd out thought and fought Mosley - and he didn't do it by running and using the circumference of the ring in order to avoid engaging with him.

Actually, Mayweather stood right in front of Mosley and beat him with his jab. Once Floyd saw that he could stymie and disrupt Mosley's offense with just a jab, he picked it up and mixed in some one-twos. On top of being neutralized offensively, Shane was frozen mentally and physically. With him not being sure if it was smarter to try and lead or counter, Mayweather cut loose and gave him more to think about. And a lot of that had to do with Shane's physical decline as a fighter. In actuality, there was no reason for Mayweather to fight Mosley the way Roy Jones did Antonio Tarver during their rubber match. And that's what's so disappointing about Mosley saying he'll do better against Pacquiao than he did Mayweather because Manny won't avoid fighting him the way Mayweather did.

The fact is Mayweather did try to fight Shane. And for whatever the reason was, Mayweather stood right in front of him and got the better of it. It didn't matter what Mosley did or tried, Mayweather  controlled the bout from a physical vantage point for the last 10 rounds. In fact he looked like the bigger and stronger fighter. Even when Mosley became desperate and attempted to impose himself physically over Mayweather, he looked unsure and out of sync.

Since he's turned pro Mosley has been a great ambassador for professional boxing. He's always been more than willing to fight the best available even when it wasn't the best move for his career business wise. It's great to see him getting his two biggest paydays at the end of his career. However, it's dishonest for him to reiterate that he matches up better with Pacquiao because Manny will engage him unlike Mayweather. If you really think about it, Pacquiao engaging him will probably be the reason why there's a good chance he'll be subjected to the worst beating of his career.

As of 2011 Manny Pacquiao's style is much better suited to thump Mosley more than Mayweather's was/is. On the other hand Mayweather is much better equipped to deal with Pacquiao than an almost 40 year old Mosley. At this stage of the game both Mayweather and Pacquiao can better Mosley via boxing, counter-punching or attacking him.

I don't think anyone would dispute that Shane Mosley was one of the two or three greatest lightweights since Roberto Duran ruled the division circa 1972-78. But if you buy that Shane looked so flat against Mayweather because he couldn't find him, you've been mislead or didn't see the fight. Mayweather held his ground and fought Mosley and got the best of it. Pacquiao will also be able to hold his ground and out fight him on May 7th.

Frank Lotierzo can be reached at GlovedFist@Gmail.com

 

Comment on this article

Radam G says:

Ditto Pugilistic Master Scribe F-Lo! Very revealing COPY! You could not put it any plainer. I've been warning everybodeee and dey mommas about Sugar Shane's optical illusion to cause mass confusion. But on May 7, Da Manny is going to cause da sugar great a severe contusion. YUP! On May 1, 2010, Money May engaged him, walked him down and straight-up thrashed his arse for 10 full rounds. Not once did Money May put on his dancing shoes. Da Manny probably will dance a bit for effect. Then Shane's behind, he is going deeply wreck.

Super Genie Naazim, Pops Sugar Jack and Sugar Shane are having a dream. They oughta wake up and smell the coffee, and in it put some back-to-reality cream. This is not a Buster Douglas-Mike Tyson moment for the Sugarman. Shane has jumped outta da Money May's fire into da Pac-frying pan. Da sugar sucka is going to be a cooked-up meal. With Da Manny's speed and power, da Sugarman just cannot deal. Changing history will not get Shane a victory. Money shut him down. Da Manny is going to make him look like a clown and knock him down. I don't have another rhyme, so I'll catch next tyme. Holla!

#1 PacFan says:

It's great to read one of F-Lo's phenomenal pieces once again. Let me add one more thing to your Olympic style drug testing with the Mayweather-Mosley bout. Facts showed that they stopped randomly testing Floyd close to 14 days earlier than Shane which I believe is unfair. If you're going to set a stoppage on a testing you must not give so much gap on each fighters mandatory testing. For example if they stop randomly testing Floyd three weeks before the fight they should also stop Shane from testing 19 dalys before the fight. What makes us believe that Mayweather cant inject himself with some sort of illegal substance within the 21 days before the fight? Is is because Shane was a known substance user? So was Floyd, he used xylocaine to protect his hands. This is the whole reason why I am against this whole Olympic style testing being mandatory with the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight. Manny is being suspected of using performance enhancement drugs which they'll use to stricter testing towards Manny. The Doping Agency is well connected with the Mayweathers which is why there were a lot of suspicions regarding the testing.

#1 PacFan says:

Manny also stated that he would submit to fully random testing but only by the Nevada Atheletic Commission. They didn't trust who was handling the testing and later shows they were right. Pacquiao-Mosley....first four rounds are crucial for Manny. He must break him down in the first two rounds by outboxing Shane and fight him at angles. Third, fourth, and fifth round Manny tears Shane in pieces. But...this is not a bold prediction...Shane has a punchers chance of hurting Manny. I highly doubt Shane wins though, Manny is just too focus and still showing his willingness to stay on top.

Big Daddy says:

Splenda Shane's been Fakin' Da Funk for a LONG time. His only significant wins since beating DLH way back in 2000 were the Roided-Up Rematch with DLH and Faded Vets.. Margarito,Mayorga,and Vargas.

amayseng says:

this article about shane being old and near 40 and not having the ability anymore has already been written 100 times already, months ago...perhaps, why not write an article emphasizing what an aging fighter has to do to win a fight like this...maybe throwing in some abilities old fighters can have like ring iq, picking spots when to fight, not trying to out hustle or out speed an opponent but maybe trying to time punches or work the body...just things that bhop does to stay competitive...

i just think there are many positive things to touch upon...we already know shanes skills are regressing, any athletes skills regress after 30-34 years old respectively...

Coxs Corner says:

@ amayseng. Then Manny's skills must be regressing also since he is 32.

Matthew says:

Mosley's words ring hollow. Boxers delude themselves all the time; it's part of what makes their courage to participate in such a brutal sport so admirable. Every aging fighter still thinks he has something left, and Mosley is no different. I think what was most impressive about Mayweather's performance against Mosley, aside from how he recovered from almost being kayoed in the second round, was the fact that Floyd didn't run and stink the joint out to win. He stood in front of Mosley and beat him to the punch for the final 10 rounds. If he had a finisher's mentality he would have stopped Mosley late in the fight, because Shane had nothing left and couldn't even get out of the way of a jab. Mayweather just isn't willing to take that kind of risk, but Pacquiao is. That, combined with the fact that Mosley's reflexes are considerably dulled and he can't pull the trigger anymore, is why I believe Pacquiao will stop Mosley in the 6th.

mosr says:

I think anyone who's question how legit the blood testing of Mosley &/or Mayweather is full of crap. They are most likely Pacquiao fans who are trying to find any and every reason for Pacquiao and his growing head (very similar to Barry Bond's) to not take random test. Further more, with all the excuses that Mosley has been saying as to why he lost so bad to Floyd, he would've been the first to say that the test weaken him. In fact he said that he felt great on HBO's 24/7. But of course I guess you Pac fans no better about how he feels then Mosley himself. And also, lets look @the fight against Mora, did Mora make him take random blood testing also? So I guess the next thing you Pac fans are gonna tell me is that Pacquiao is getting the better Mosley and that the extra 2yrs of age has made him even better!

mosr says:

Exactly!

ultimoshogun says:

Wow! So F-Lo believes Mosley looked bad vs Mora because of his regression as a fighter, but then insinuates that Mosley's poor performance vs Floyd was because of an unfair advantage due to Mosley having to give alot more blood? This is just more fodder for Mayweather haters and a lousy attempt to discredit Floyd's win based on just someones gut feeling. F-Lo almost makes it sound like the USADA was having a blood drive back in Shane's dressing room. Yahoo Sports has the dates of the tests, and there was no 14 day advantage for Mayweather. The final tests prior to the fight were taken 18 and 19 days out, so there was only a difference of one day. Mayweather won that fight on superior skills alone.

DaveB says:

Mayweather beat Mosley plain and simple. To use Radam's words he was invisible while in plain sight. Mayweather didn't need to run and from the second round on he just kicked Mosley's behind. Mosley looked like a shuffling old man out there. I'll be the first to admit that Mosley's body looks a lot different now then it did before and I don't think that it is from aging. The man is not that old for his body to change that much. On the other hand, skill wise yes his better days are behind him. I have a lot of respect for Mosley and his career but he is going to take the worst thumping of his life on May 7. I feel bad for him to go out this way but it is inevitable and he asked for him. In fact he begged for. Be careful what you ask for because now he is really going to get it. About the drug testing - it should be done by a neutral party and each athlete should be tested an equal amount of times, preferably within a day or two of one another.

#1 PacFan says:

I want to admit i was inaccurrate with my cutoff dates regarding the Mayweather-Mosley fight. It was 18 to 19 days before the fight that they stopped testing both fighters. First off I don't want you to read my posts and right away treat me like any other PacFan. I'm the #1 PacFan you hear. I make sure my facts are 100% legit. Like I said millions of times I'm all for the blood testing but Manny just don't want to get testing right before the fight. He has good reasons and he does have proof of it. He has said right after the first Morales fight in an interview that he felt weak after they took blood from him right before the fight. I've watched that fight many times and I truly believe he was not the same fighter that night. Besides the fact that they took away the Reyes gloves he didn't look as strong as he did when he fought Marquez and Barrera. He hit Morales with some hard shots all throughout the fight especially in the later rounds but Morales didn't budge. We can keep going in circles with these fantasy fight everyone craves for but it clearly shows it's Mayweather who doesn't want to fight.

#1 PacFan says:

You sound like full of crap. I'm going to look for that episode where it shows Mosley saying that all the testing has takin a lot from him. You better pray I'm wrong son lol.

I think anyone who's questioning how legit the blood testing of Mosley &/or Mayweather is full of crap. They are most likely Pacquiao fans who are trying to find any and every reason for Pacquiao and his growing head (very similar to Barry Bond's) to not take random test. Further more, with all the excuses that Mosley has been saying as to why he lost so bad to Floyd, he would've been the first to say that the test weaken him. In fact he said that he felt great on HBO's 24/7. But of course I guess you Pac fans no better about how he feels then Mosley himself. And also, lets look @the fight against Mora, did Mora make him take random blood testing also? So I guess the next thing you Pac fans are gonna tell me is that Pacquiao is getting the better Mosley and that the extra 2yrs of age has made him even better!

mosr says:

You sound like full of crap. I'm going to look for that episode where it shows Mosley saying that all the testing has takin a lot from him. You better pray I'm wrong son lol.
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Your full of crap, the part your talking about Mosley is just talking about them calling him for testing at a point in the day where he was tired from training not the blood being extracted!

the Roast says:

What we got here? A slugfest brewin between #1PacFan and new guy mr. 3 posts mosr? Tell him where you live #1! Tell him what street to meet you at!

#1 PacFan says:

That's just my point exactly son. This Olympic style testing can be very intruding and disrupt training camp. I know you'll say that Mayweather went through the same kind of testing but my defense to that is Mayweather is the much younger and fresher fighter compared to Mosley(Mosley trained for Berto before Mayweather). I know you're a hardcore Mayweather but you have to come at me better than this.

You sound like full of crap. I'm going to look for that episode where it shows Mosley saying that all the testing has takin a lot from him. You better pray I'm wrong son lol.
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Your full of crap, the part your talking about Mosley is just talking about them calling him for testing at a point in the day where he was tired from training not the blood being extracted!

#1 PacFan says:

LOL, nah I'm going to let it brew a bit Roast. Ima try and toy with him.

What we got here? A slugfest brewin between #1PacFan and new guy mr. 3 posts mosr? Tell him where you live #1! Tell him what street to meet you at!

the Roast says:

Come on mosr, 4th post time! I dont think you sound like full of crap at all. BTW, Happy 24th Birthday to my dream babe Maria Sharapova. Long live the Queen!

Big Daddy says:

I hate to be a Side Buster.. Thousands of athletes have gone through Olympic Caliber Drug Testing and the only 1 that Ive ever heard complain about it affecting their performance is Manny. Love Manny, But C'MON MAN!!!

mosr says:

#1 PacFan
Re: Recently, Mosley's Been A Little Misleading About His Fight With Mayweather

That's just my point exactly son. This Olympic style testing can be very intruding and disrupt training camp. I know you'll say that Mayweather went through the same kind of testing but my defense to that is Mayweather is the much younger and fresher fighter compared to Mosley(Mosley trained for Berto before Mayweather). I know you're a hardcore Mayweather but you have to come at me better than this.
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Listen, who cares about how old Mosley was. The facts are the facts! 1.Mosley wanted a big payday. 2.Mayweather had more to lose (41-0) than Mosley. 3.Mosley has admitted to using HGH before! So once again who cares about Mosley's age (Pac sure is not caring about Mosley being almost 2yrs older than when he got dismantled by Mayweather)?

Radam G says:

Danggit! Some newbies are definitely now sliding up and steamrolling in this Universe. Since when have #1 PacFan been "a hardcore Mayweather [fan]? Wow! How REVEALING is a pseudonym labeled "#1 PacFan" is to SIGNAL that a person is "a hardcore Mayweather [fan]?" (That is a bit of my sarcasm for those who won't catch it.) Boxing is the "threatre of the unexpected," and what some of these newbies and faders will come up with and try to convince you of, are likewise the "threatre of the unexpected." Holla!

Radam G says:

Sugar Shane Mosley has absolutely ZERO CHANCE. I know that because CHANCE has been sitting at the Blackjack table with me. He told me that he is taking Da Manny to kayo the Sugarman somewhere in the middle rounds. ZERO stop gambling with me yesterday, because I was straight-up kicking his butt. Anyway, he is betting on Da Manny by kayo also. I ate chow with the second cousin of ZERO and CHANCE. His name is SLIM, and he told me he'd not be in Vegas for the bout. But he has put all his money on Da Manny knocking the Sugarman da double fudge out. Hehehehehe! You know where my money is going. Holla!

#1 PacFan says:

I never mentioned about Mosley being old. I said that Mayweather is the younger and fresher fighter. I also said that Mosley recently trained for Berto before training again for Mayweather. Say what you want but I think Mosley overtrained. Since your new I clearly stated in my old posts that Manny gets no credit from me when he beats Mosley. I will give him little if he destroys him in five rounds. Mosley definitely has nothing left, I give him two rounds of a punchers chance.

#1 PacFan
Re: Recently, Mosley's Been A Little Misleading About His Fight With Mayweather

That's just my point exactly son. This Olympic style testing can be very intruding and disrupt training camp. I know you'll say that Mayweather went through the same kind of testing but my defense to that is Mayweather is the much younger and fresher fighter compared to Mosley(Mosley trained for Berto before Mayweather). I know you're a hardcore Mayweather but you have to come at me better than this.
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Listen, who cares about how old Mosley was. The facts are the facts! 1.Mosley wanted a big payday. 2.Mayweather had more to lose (41-0) than Mosley. 3.Mosley has admitted to using HGH before! So once again who cares about Mosley's age (Pac sure is not caring about Mosley being almost 2yrs older than when he got dismantled by Mayweather)?

amayseng says:

@ amayseng. Then Manny's skills must be regressing also since he is 32.


i said 30-34 respectively. that is the average..if you want i can find my resources from physical therapy school where i learned it...let me know ill dig up my books..

Joe says:

Sugar's powerboxing days are almost completely gone. If he can get to little man within three or four rounds he has a chance otherwise he'll be pumpkinheaded. Hey he's still got a bigtime name may as well milk it as long as possible. Jin needs mo money!!! Shoulda just kept her.

FighterforJC says:

Plain and simple, Mayweather was on steroids against Mosley and who knows for how long? Mayweather looked like the incredible hulk standing next to Mosley. Mosley's pleading for Olympic Drug Testing is just a front, a cover up with the fact that he's in league with the anti doping agency who will benefit millions of dollars in revenues should they become the new standard in boxing. Mayweather is the "ambassador," but at the same time, he's struck a deal with them that he'll be able to use steroids as much as he wants and never test positive.

DaveB says:

Wow, now wouldn't that be a story if FighterforJC is right. That would be one hell of a story.

FighterforJC says:

Wow, now wouldn't that be a story if FighterforJC is right. That would be one hell of a story.


Now if anyone had the means to pursue this I have no doubt Mayweather will be exposed as the real PED user.

ultimoshogun says:

Yo FJC, could you please elaborate as to why you suspect Floyd is or has been on the juice or how he's supposedly in cahoots with the USADA? I didn't see this noticeble size difference that you speak of.

FighterforJC says:

Yo FJC, could you please elaborate as to why you suspect Floyd is or has been on the juice or how he's supposedly in cahoots with the USADA? I didn't see this noticeble size difference that you speak of.


I did. The man is YOKED. Mosley looked tiny compared to him. Floyd's in cahoots with the USADA because he struck a great deal with them. They get to earn millions, Pacquiao gets to fail the blood test no matter what because the USADA will sabotage the test (actually they don't even have to. they just have to declare it and nobody can contest), and Floyd will be free and clear to use as many kinds of PEDs his money can buy.

ali says:

Stop trying make excuses for Shane.... Mayweather kicked his ass plain and simple blood test or not ...I know u hate but him but give him the man full credit for his win over Shane....I see you still on that B.S when it comes to Mayweater...

Radam G says:

Hum! When Da Manny kayos Sugar Shane, don't holla jack about Money May! Holla!

ali says:

Styles make fights so even if Pac K.Os Mosley it won't mean sh*t. If Pac struggles and wins a very close fight it doesn't mean he can't beat Mayweater. So lets stop comparing how one fighter beats another cuz at the end of the day the only way where going to know who's a better fighters is when they get in the ring together.

brownsugar says:

It'll be interesting to see the what happens at the trial scheduled next week.

Radam G says:

Just another one of those crazy-everybodeee-and-dey-mommas-recited maxims. "Styles make fights" is lamed political pugilism, save-face, side remark. What office is Ali running for? Styles don't necessary make fights. Just like the style of Donald Trump or the style of Prez O don't necessary make U.S. Presidents. Sugar Shane has lost six times in the pros to four different types of styles. He lost about 15 times in the amateur to about 10 different types of styles. So don't feed me this style jive. It will mean a lot if Sugar Shane get kayos. Nobody esle in the pros could do it. Just like when he got stopped in the amateurs, nobody else but the Pinoy who stopped his arse could do it. I'm with Uncle Roger. You know what he says about some people's skinny of da game. Holla!

the Roast says:

I agree with Radam. Nobody has ever stopped Sugar Shane before. If Manny does get that KO, I will be impressed. Especially if he knocks him clean out,flattoned like Hatton. I was reading on ESPN that Manny's people have made JMM an offer for a fight for the WBO welterweight belt in October. That sounds pretty confident. JMM will get knocked out this time. Money May will still be sitting on the sidelines I bet.

Radam G says:

I don't think that it is a BIG story that Money May uses PEDs. Of course he uses those that are considered legal. He uses LEGAL PEDs, so does every other boxer and athlete. All this jive about PEDs and steroid is just to pass time while thinking about what to clutter and mutter next. Like I said, the great ones whupped arses -- steroids or not. Matter of fact, in the words of ATG Sugar Ray Leonard: "For the right money, I will feed an opponent steroids and then will whup his arse." PEDs, steroids, or what else types of poison is your choice, don't give anybody talent and skills.

If you cannot fight -- 95 percent of steroid users in the game cannot -- no PEDs will help you. And that's a fact, JACK! Maybe Marquez's peepee oughta be made illegal just for the heck of it. I remember when the powers that be made blood doping illegal. All the suckas that did it could not fight and it didn't help them. Using jive junk gives a placebo effect more than an actual effect. I'm reminded of how this coach once made this messed-up-in-the-head kid believe that kelp pills would give you speed and power, as if you were on steroids. The kid went out and kicked butt, but one time the coach forgot the kelp pills, and the kid lost to a joker that he had beat five times in the amateurs and twice in the pros. I won't tell you who the kid is. But he's still fighting and no longer believes in the mythologies of PEDs. Holla!

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