Okay, maybe the business of boxing is not at an all-time peak. But as a sport that entertains its fans and makes those of us who follow it feel downright sorry for those who don’t, boxing is vibrant as a Cosby sweater right now. Coming off another weekend of upsets, thrills, and Fight of the Year candidates, let’s double-dip into the mailbag for one email apiece on each of Saturday’s sensational slugfests:
Nice call there on Berto-Ortiz, Victor never had a chance, huh? I’m just busting your balls—I felt the same way. (I just didn’t write an article all about how the kid was going to fall apart when the going got tough.) I guess Ortiz is a case, sort of like Vitali Klitschko, of a guy who takes criticism for quitting once and doesn’t let it happen again. Good for him, he fought awesome and showed heart and desire. So here’s my question for ya: What the hell do we make of his wuss-tastic performance against Lamont Peterson now? How can a guy be fearless against Andre Berto and refuse to engage against Peterson, who punches like my great-grandmother?
A lot of writers and fans have been eating a lot of crow the last couple of weeks, but I wanted to say your article about Berto-Ortiz was a fun read even if the opinions ended up being way off base. Keep the good stuff coming, you’re a great addition to The Sweet Science. And don’t be shy about making predictions—they let me know who to bet against!
Well done, it’s not easy to kiss a guy’s butt and poke him in the ribs at the same time, but you pulled it off. I’m glad you found my article to be a “fun read,” because that’s really my main goal as a writer. I want to entertain readers and I want to make them think a little bit, and if I get every prediction wrong, so be it; it’s preferable to guessing every outcome correctly but not finding interesting and compelling ways to write about the fights. And, let’s remember, my Ortiz-Berto piece was a column, not a feature story, and a columnist’s aim is to express an opinion with conviction. I took my hard stance, that Ortiz doesn’t have a true fighter’s mental composition, and ran with it. I didn’t write anything about Berto that was untrue and I didn’t write anything about Ortiz’s talent level that was untrue. But I did make false assumptions about Ortiz’s stomach for battle. And I’m delighted to have been so wrong; like Erik Morales the week before, he gave us a stirring fight because he outperformed my expectations.
As for your question about the Peterson fight, if you listened to the most recent episode of my Ring Theory podcast, you know my co-host Bill Dettloff posited a theory that Ortiz might have tanked the Peterson fight in order to land this one with Berto. It sounded outlandish to me at the time, but now that we’ve seen what Ortiz is capable of on a good night, I can’t completely discount that he was carrying Peterson. I’m not saying I actually subscribe to the theory; I’m just saying you can’t totally rule it out. Especially because there’s really no other explanation for the Peterson performance that makes sense, now that we know Ortiz isn’t a mentally incapable fighter.
Just finished watching the Salido-Lopez fight and I’m pretty bummed about the stoppage. Not, like most fans, because it lessens the likelihood of Lopez fighting Gamboa, but because it prevented, in my mind, one of two possible outcomes: one, Salido knocking out Lopez cleanly and being able to enjoy a huge upset win without the cloud of controversy it has attached to it; or two, Lopez surviving the round and going on to win the fight in an even bigger comeback win than the one we saw in the Rios-Acosta fight. Either way, it could have developed into a Fight of the Year candidate. As it is, we saw a very entertaining fight with a very unsatisfactory ending. Which scenario do you think was the most likely had the referee not stopped the fight?
Final question, does Orlando Salido remind you of Glen Johnson? He fights in a similarly tough, dogged style with the air of a perpetual underdog, and you can’t fail to be pleased for him when he wins a fight. Plus, he’s got a wrinkly head to rival that of the Road Warrior.
Keep up the good work!
It was definitely a bad stoppage by referee Roberto Ramirez, but it was one of those stoppages where the execution and timing were much worse than the basic intent. Lopez was taking serious punishment in the eighth round, wobbling repeatedly, and he’d been absorbing similar abuse the previous three rounds. Ramirez was correct to be looking in closely, ready to stop the fight as soon as the next neck-snapping punch landed. Despite the resiliency JuanMa had shown in other fights, there comes a time when you have to look out for a guy’s health, even if you can’t completely discount that he can still come back to win the fight. The problem was that Ramirez jumped in at the wrong moment. He saw Salido land a couple of punches and, I guess, thought they did more damage than they actually did. The ref just picked an inopportune moment to stop the bout, and that did tarnish a sensational battle.
Of your two scenarios, I think it was much more likely that Salido was about to knock Lopez out for real than that Lopez was going to somehow rally back. And that’s why, while I dislike the stoppage, I don’t HATE it with every fiber of my being. And I must say, even with the unsatisfying ending, this WAS a Fight of the Year candidate. I still like Hernan Marquez vs. Luis Concepcion for the award as of this moment, but Salido-Lopez, Ortiz-Berto (what a shame that it slowed down over the second half), and Maidana-Morales are all worthy runners-up.
As for Salido, sure, I’ll call him a poor man’s Johnson. I’m going with the “poor man’s” designation because he’s not as likable (a positive steroid test will do that for you), he isn’t as consistently competitive with everyone as Johnson is, and his brain isn’t nearly as visible through his scalp (clearly, you’re a Ring Theory devotee).
But enough about Salido’s brain and Johnson’s brain. It’s time to go inside my brain with the weekly Rants:
• Just a quick scorecard breakdown, I had Ortiz beating Berto 115-111. I thought Ortiz won the first round (10-8), the third, fourth, fifth, eighth, ninth, 10th (though the point penalty made it 9-9), and 11th. I gave Berto the second (only 10-9, since he was losing the round clearly prior to scoring his flash knockdown), sixth (10-9 in the Round of the Year candidate in which both scored knockdowns), seventh, and 12th. Ultimately, I thought the judges nailed it. I got an email asking me how Dan Rafael could have scored the fight for Berto, and I’ll repeat my Twitter comment: That scorecard might qualify him for induction into the New Jersey Boxing Hall of Fame. Hey, fights look different live sometimes and we all have bad scoring nights on occasion, but to have Berto ahead after 12 rounds was fairly mystifying.
• Ortiz also won the battle of postfight interviews (a battle he hasn’t always won in the past). He was very likable and respectful, without being boring and programmed. Berto, on the other hand, busted out the dreaded “everyone knows that wasn’t me in there” routine, which is basically a fighter’s way of saying, “I’m not going to tell you what my excuses for losing are, but I have them and I want everyone to know I have them.”
• Did everyone enjoy the ring announcing work of Drexl Spivey (http://tinyurl.com/3jf9vy4) on the HBO broadcast?
• So, Mr. Arum, how’s that cake baking coming along?
• No truth to the rumor that it was Khoren Gevor who threw that water bottle at Al Bernstein.
• I criticize Gus Johnson with regularity, noting that both his substance and his style are all wrong for boxing, but I’ll also give credit where it’s due, and his thoughts in tribute to Gil Clancy were well-delivered. The wiping away of the tear was a bit melodramatic, but I guess it was genuine (unless Johnson can cry on command for effect, in which case that’s impressive in its own right).
• Speaking of Clancy, would it have been so difficult for someone at HBO or Showtime to Photoshop out the ear hair in the photo of him we keep seeing? When my time comes, first of all, I hope people will use a photo of me from my 20s, not my 80s, but if they do use a photo from my 80s, I give permission to airbrush out any hair growing from places from whence it didn’t grow in my prime.
• In a fighting fortnight loaded with upsets, the biggest one of all has to be Buddy McGirt finding himself in a winning corner. The last time that happened, Dunkleman and Seacrest were on equal career footing.
• Congrats to all of my fellow TSS writers on their Barney Awards, and particular congrats to the site’s editor, Michael Woods, for steering a ship that tied for the lead in most Barneys this year.
• Hey, I’m not happy about Humberto Soto-Urbano Antillon II falling apart either. But if we get Brandon Rios vs. Antillon in July, I think I’ll get over it.
• True news story: A Russian college professor was stabbed to death recently for insisting in a boozed-up argument that Mike Tyson would beat the Klitschko brothers. The moral of the story: Message boards are actually a pretty good place for fight fans to argue irrationally, when you consider the alternative.
• This is the week Ring Theory (http://ringtheory.podbean.com) fans have been waiting for, as the one and only Jim Bagg will be gracing us with his presence. Just a heads-up to subscribers that we’re recording Wednesday night (instead of the usual Tuesday) and posting the episode Thursday night (instead of the usual Wednesday). This is either going to be the best episode in the history of the show … or the episode that gets us all stabbed to death by crazy Russian fight fans.
Eric Raskin can be contacted at RaskinBoxing@yahoo.com. You can follow him on Twitter @EricRaskin and listen to new episodes of his podcast, Ring Theory, at http://ringtheory.podbean.com.
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