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Mayweather Is Watching As Pacquiao Eliminates His Options

BY Frank Lotierzo ON March 03, 2011
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Manny Pacquiao vs Shane MosleyIt's been slightly over 10 months since Floyd Mayweather 41-0 (25) scored what has to be considered the signature win of his career over Shane Mosley. Yeah, it may have been eight years after the late Vernon Forest beat a prime Mosley more convincingly than Floyd did, and he did it twice. And granted, though Mosley was a totally spent and empty package the night he fought Mayweather, except for one big right hand in the second round, Shane was still the most formidable and dangerous fighter Floyd's ever shared a ring with. On that there can be no denying, and in Mayweather's defense, he clearly out-thought and out-fought Mosley for 10 of the 12 rounds they spent in the ring fighting. 

Since the night Mayweather outclassed Mosley, his rival and career nemesis, Manny Pacquiao, has brutalized Antonio Margarito, (who Mayweather had a chance to fight circa 2006/2007 but thought it was too risky) and is about to fight and defeat Mosley more impressively and conclusively than Mayweather did. Once again in Mayweather's defense, if Pacquiao beats Mosley more decisively than Mayweather did, it'll be more of a testament to style matchups than it is an indicator as to what would happen if Pacquiao and Mayweather ever fight.

Last week in an interview with Fighthype, Jeff Mayweather said Floyd is considering a summer bout in South Africa in celebration of former president Nelson Mandela's 93rd birthday. For those who don't know, Mandela is a big boxing fan. It's been said elsewhere that Mayweather's decision to fight in honor of Mandela is due to Pacquiao having recently been invited to the White House to meet US president Obama. This is very plausible considering Mayweather's limited options. The fact of the matter is, all Floyd Mayweather can do is watch, wait and hope. Because there are no real alternatives for him.

If you look closely, Pacquiao is doing to Mayweather almost exactly what Muhammad Ali did to reigning heavyweight champ "Smokin" Joe Frazier, circa 1971/1972.

For those who aren't aware of what Ali did in order to secure a rematch with Frazier after Joe handed him his first defeat, it goes like this and it almost worked perfectly. Immediately after Frazier won the "Fight Of The Century" Ali began lobbying for a rematch. There were a lot of things said as to why it didn't materialize, but at the end of the day Muhammad and Joe couldn't agree on purse parity. Frazier felt that he did Ali a favor splitting the purse for their first fight and believed since he won it, he shouldn't have to spit it again as undisputed heavyweight champ. On the other hand, Ali felt because he was the superstar and draw, he deserved at least purse parity.

When Joe declined and said he can't become the champ until he fights me, the hell with him, Ali said, I'll fight and eliminate all the other top contenders so that he'll either have to defend against me or be stripped of the title. For the next year and a half Ali fought every top contender in the world except the one he couldn't get in the ring, George Foreman. And that's only because Foreman's manager and trainer, Dick Saddler, told Ali, "we want to fight the champion, and his style is better suited for young George than yours." Twenty two months after Frazier defeated Ali to become undisputed heavyweight champ, he lost the title to George Foreman 37-0 (34) and the rest is history. 

Back in those days promoter Bob Arum, who promotes Manny Pacquiao, worked with Ali. Now it looks as if Arum has Pacquiao fighting and eliminating all the available opponents left for Mayweather. As long as Pacquiao doesn't run into a welterweight George Foreman along the way, Mayweather is pretty much boxed in. The reality is, there's only fight that matters in the eyes of the public pertaining to Floyd Mayweather and that's a showdown with Pacquiao. Aside from that, Mayweather will have to conjure a huge gimmick to generate interest in his next fight if it isn't against Pacquiao or retire.

Joe Frazier was asked every time he was in public for a year and a half after their first fight, "when are you fighting Ali again?" Mayweather hears the same in reference to Pacquiao these days. The difference is Frazier did fight Ali and beat him legitimately in Super Fight I. Floyd can't say he fought Pacquiao, let alone claim a victory over him. There's really nowhere for Mayweather to turn unless he gives the public the only fight they want from him. So all he can do is watch, wait and hope that Pacquiao either loses or shows some signs that he's on the decline. 

On a personal note, if Pacquiao was fighting Mayweather instead of Mosley on May 7th, I'd probably favor him to win. But obviously Floyd has some reservation about sharing a boxing ring with Manny. Pacquiao must be better than I thought?

Frank Lotierzo can be contacted at GlovedFist@Gmail.com

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KyleeSmootsx says:

^: heh, thanks. This give me some ideas.

fogfrogblog says:

Sorry folks, the writer of this article hit it on the spot when he mentioned that Floyd Jr. has allowed to open talks about a possible Pacquiao fight, and at the same time to promote his tune up fight.

Didn't that already happened when Floyd Jr. fought against Marquez? But, the fight with Pacquiao never materialize, and pure silence on Mayweather's part on the second attempt to make the fight happen.

If Mayweather did not agree because of his demands not being met despite $40 million dollars on the line, what makes anyone think that he is for real this time and not just fooling the fans again on supporting his tune up number two, before Pacquiao.

FrederickaRoufst says:

Interesting topic. Want to see more on what you guys think about this.

ultimoshogun says:

I agree that the only fight that really matters for Floyd is a showdown with Pacman... If he truly wants to go down as the best of his era he needs to defeat Pacman, bar none, because at this point Pacquiao is the man...that being said, it would be wise for Floyd to take a tune up fight before stepping into the ring with Pacquiao though.

FighterforJC says:

Ray Leonard didn't need a tuneup for Hagler and he was out for way longer than Mayweather.

Radam G says:

Money May is the Sugar Ray Robinson of our time. But than again, maybe that is just the way the game rolls. And as time goes by people get amnesia. SRR ducked and dodged the whole "Black Murder Row," and some other fighters for whatever was going on in his thinking. Maybe Money May is just ducking and dodging a Pinoy Murder Row. Ask him to rumble with the Pinoy welterweight contenders who are getting no copy or media time, because all the focus is on Da Manny and Money May tangling.

I can have mad respect for Money May. He knows the lesson of everybodee and dey momma calling for undefeated James Jeffries to comeback out of retiring to put a whuppin' on the out-of-group Jack Johnson. A lot of Americans don't like to admit to it on the television, the NET or in the newspapers, but in person, they got some hardcore patriotic fever for Money May being able to beat Da Manny, who they are extremely hostile toward. On the U.S. mainland around California way, at a lot of the gyms, on the streets, at the airports, eateries, amusement parks, malls, on the military bases, and even in the restrooms, 95 percent of African Americans, 75 percent Anglo Americans, 75 percent of Puerta Rican Americans and 50 percent of Mexican Americans will proudly and loudly tell you, especially if you are Asian and light-skinned Pacific Islanders, that "Mayweather is the better man, and PacCow [sic] is on something. He's cheating! No Asian can beat somebody like that unless he is using steroids." Mythology and xenophobism will always be a lot of in-group people's best friends and nemesises of thinking, commonsense and fairness.

IMHO Money May doesn't need to do JACK, but stay undefeated. And he will go down in American history just as Sugar Ray Robinson did. How the public quickly FORGETS! The ducking of Da Manny will be forgotten and forgiven. I can hear all the excuses that boxing scribes and talking heads will be sugar-ing Money May legacy with in about 40 or 50 years. Danggit! And I will probably still be alive to literally hear that mythical crap. "I can see the future Larry Merchant of that time saying, "Money May said that he was the best, and he was. That Filipino Congressman later became president of his country. But he didn't agree to take Olympic-style testing to check for steroids. Maybe he was on 'em! Maybe he wasn't! But Floyd Mayweather was one great American and the greatest, undefeated boxing champion of all times." I cannot see Money May fighting Da Manny any time soon. But I can see me hearing jingoistic crap about him in two scores and a decade from now. A lot of you suckas who will be taking a dirt nap, you are the lucky ones. You are even lucky if you do the cremation shower. You won't feel a thing when your ashes are being pour down the toilet stool. Hehehehehe! Ain't ever heard ashes speak up. Holla

the Roast says:

Damn FighterforJC, you stole the words right out of my head! If SRL didn't need a tuneup for Marvin Freakin Hagler than Floyd doesn't either. He's a 34 year old man who has boxed all his life. He knows what he's doing. Follow the SRL fight plan. Demand a bigger ring, run around alot and throw flurries at the end of each round, and try to steal it. It has worked before.

Coxs Corner says:

Radam it is just wrong to mention Mayweather in the same sentence as SRR. Robinson was 128-1-2 in his prime that included winning undisputed welterweight and middleweight titles, and he beat 10 Hall of Famers. Mayweather will be remembered more for who he didnt fight than who he did fight.

As for Hagler-Leonard completely different. Leonard knew after watching Duran fight evenly with with hagler for 10 rounds by boxing him that he could beat Hagler. Hagler fought like his feet were stuck in the mud against Ray. This is a different fight. Im not saying who wins but Pacman is a busier fighter than Hagler who gave away the first 4 rounds vs Leonard. No comparison.

FighterforJC says:

Still, the fact that Mayweather would be the naturally bigger man against Pacquiao, as opposed to Leonard making the jump to middleweight coupled with the fact that Mayweather has been living clean and not doing cocaine and has been more active by far than Leonard was when he fought Hagler, leaves Mayweather with absolutely no excuse why he shouldn't fight Pacquiao immediately. I'm even for a Berto-Mosley situation where Berto got paid off by Goldenboy to make way for Mayweather-Mosley. Maybe Mosley can be paid off by Arum AND Goldenboy to make way for Pac-Mayweather in May instead.

ultimoshogun says:

FJC, so just because Mayweather's the bigger man and doesn't do drugs, he's not entitled to take a tune up fight? C'mon man! Now you're just reaching for something to knock Mayweather. If Floyd feels a tune up will help him stay sharp leading up to a Pacman fight, who are we to judge him?

nashingun says:

floys is only using pacquiao to hype up his next fight away from pacquiao but not really wanting to fight him. floyd would never, never fight pacquiao. floyd jr is going around the bush to earn money and then jump out after he earns some money pretending he wants another fight or opens negotiation. well, dont fall to this scheme people, learn!

the only fight floyd has to take is pacquiao first before he can take someone else. with no pacquiao, no fight for floyd jr.

the Roast says:

I always thought it was the Mugabi fight that Ray saw that Hagler was slipping. Ray took on that challenge. Does anybody really think Floyd would watch a slugfest like Hagler-Mugabi and say "put me down for some of that" No freakin way. Floyd just doesn't want any part of that. He won't fight Pacman. There will always be an excuse. Anyway, Floyd already had his tuneup fight vs little JMM. He just boxed him. Never tried to finish the smaller, overmatched fighter. Some athletes are just natural born competitors. They play or fight with a fury most others cant match. Micheal Jordan was that way. Sugar Ray Leonard was that way. Floyd Mayweather is a very talented boxer. No doubt. He just doesnt have the fire in his belly.

Radam G says:

Sugar Ray Robinson was 128-1-2 because he got gift decisions and fought a lot of tomato cans, marshmellows and stiffs and ducked every black -- a few white ones too -- threat to him. [Take a bite off B-Hop, a slick boxing African American from the intercity" would kick SRR ducking arse. He knew it. But I will give him credit. In his own words, there was no money in fighting colored fighters.] Willie Pep had a better overall record than SRR and Archie Moore, who the Sugarman ducked at middleweight had more knockouts. Anybody is free to think whatever he or she wants to think about any boxers. I'm not restricted from criticizing SRR, as no one is restricted from doing the same to Money May and Da Manny. Just the slightest research will show that a lot of fighters have/had similar records to SRR. His final run was 42 wins, 17 losses and four draws. What a CHUMP performance, even for outta prime. That didn't happen to Willie Pep or Archie Moore.

Willie Pep and Archie Moore were everything good and a bag of chips. SRR was aight! But he got a lot of gift decisions in a lot of close fights. And did I say that he was known for ducking? Money May would have kicked SRR's butt as Ralph Charles did. Go to Youtube and holla at that fight. I think that it is there. I may be wrong about the name. I will follow up later. Later for the hyperluving and exaggerating the myth of Sugar Ray Robinson. There is plenty of footage on him. In his days, boxers fought a lot of bouts and sparred a lot less than nowadays. Nowadays boxers spar a lot of opponents and fight less, so it all balances out. Big DEAL that SSR was 128-1-2 in bouts at one point. At that same time, he was probably 50-25-6 from sparringmates dusting that arse off. Money May is 41-0 in boxing bouts and 250-0-0 in sparring bout. So everything is everything and balances totally out. In my independent ways to think for myself. I WILL! Take Money May over SRR. And I take Da Manny over Money May by early KO. Dat is my SYET! And I sticking with it. Holla!

brownsugar says:

Ray Robinson is a legend,.. he's not universally considered one of the greatest if not the P4P greatest worldwide because of the whim of few relatives and close friends.. countless hours of footage from his epic fights confirms what the world already knows... Ray possessed some of the most awesome tools a fighter ever used to practice the sweet science with. No amount of hate from frustrated fans can ever diminish his legacy. It's already etched in stone.

FighterforJC says:

FJC, so just because Mayweather's the bigger man and doesn't do drugs, he's not entitled to take a tune up fight? C'mon man! Now you're just reaching for something to knock Mayweather. If Floyd feels a tune up will help him stay sharp leading up to a Pacman fight, who are we to judge him?


It's not a matter of judging him. It's the fact that this is what the people have been demanding this fight for a bouple of years. He's had his tuneups against Marquez and Mosley. It's clear that Mayweather is waiting for someone else to beat Pacquiao or until Pacquiao looks unimpressive. Also, why should the self-proclaimed greatest fighter who ever lived need a tuneup to fight someone who's as untalented and ordinary as he claims Pacquiao to be? The way Mayweather talks, Pacquiao is just barely good enough to be a tuneup fight for him. Mayweather has no excuse.

the Roast says:

Damn Radam, did you fall and hit your head or something? So you have Floyd Mayweather beating Sugar Ray Robinson? Floyd?? LOL!!!! That is crazy talk! Pacman by early KO vs Floyd so now you are telling me that Manny is the greatest of all time? I thought you were an Ali guy. You know, the same Ali who lost to a novice Leon Spinks, Larry Holmes and, here comes the best one, Trevor Berbick. All outta prime of course. You gotta put down the coconut juice my brother.

the Roast says:

That's for you Ultimo!

Radam G says:

@the Roast, YOU ALREADY KNOW THAT WITH YOU ARE GOING TO GET A PHAT STORY -- THE WHOLE SKINNY. I'm totally AIGHT! Go to Youtube and holla at the beatdown that "shoulder rolling," 5-foot-6 Ralph Jones put on your -- I guest -- icon and hero 33-year-old Sugar Ray Robinson. No little man or Sugarman could put a whuppin' on 33-year-old Money May. Joey Maxim put a beatdown on a 31-year-old SRR. Randy Turpin put a beatdown on the 30-year-old SRR. Jake LaMotta whipped a 20 year-old SRR. Holla at Boxrec and see that SRR got six controversial close wins and three draws before he was 30 years old. Now holla at Money May. He has only gotten two controversial wins in his whole career. A win in his third or fourth bout, where southpaw Reggie Sanders put it on him and cut his eye. In the other close bout, Money May got a close win over J.L. Castillo.

When you holla at GOAT Ali, all his losses came after he came back from being exiled for almost four years and past his prime. He was expected to lose. Same as in the case of SRR, SRL, Sugar Shane Mosley and tons of other passed-their-prime age-ies. That is why I don't buy all these internet experts lippin' about Superman Roy Jones Jr has ruined his legacy. If a passed-his-prime Sugar Ray Robinson can lose 17 bouts, get eight gift decisions and four draws, and STILL be CALLED the greatest boxer ever, then why cannot somebody believe the same about nowadays boxers. GUEST WHAT? In 50 and 60 years, when all you nostalgic SRR nutgrabbers will be taking those dirt naps, every bit of information and videos on SRR will be out for all to see. He ain't all that. Walker Smith was a legend, better known as Sugar Ray Robinson by the fanfaronades, groupies, fans, haters, faders, FBIers, crooks, con-men, etc., etc. Legend means "Popular myth of origin." In other words, in my humble opinion, Sugar Ray Robinson WAS 75-percent reality and 25 percent mythogy and BIG tales woven by the greatest pugilistic talebearers of our time. Money May and Da Manny are 100-percent reality. You can see all of them in real time -- your real self. You see SRR on film, but hear a million excuses about that "he was better than what [your lying eyes] see on film."

There are tons of things that you won't ever hear about Sugar Ray Robinson because of political correctness, and maybe because that he is one of the Robinsons -- "Heroes that was approved and mytholized by the FBI and J. Edgar Hoover" "to keep the colored folks from accepting radical colored heros, [like Jack Chase]." You oughta holla at the archives of the FBI and some other three-letter word organizations of latent oppressing, clowning and straight-up misleading the public. I'm glad that I live in the age of WiliLEAKS and easy access to yesteryears' bullsyeting of the naive, meek public. When it comes to entertainment and "the people be damned," It's Robinsons' TIME! Jackie Robinson in baseball. Oscar Robinson in basketball. Sugar Ray Robinson in boxing. Smokey Robinson in Music and The Family Robinson in television. WTF! HEHEHEHEHEHE! Danger! Danger! Will Robinson! Danger! Danger! [If GOAT Ali would have known about Sugar Ray Robinson back then like he knew about Jackie Robinson, he would have also called SRR an "Uncle Tom," as he bitterly and constantly called Baseball great Jackie Robinson.]

By the way, Da Manny is the greatest southpaw fighter of all times. The greatest boxer of all times is Willie Pep. The greatest fighter of all times is Irish GOAT Ali. The greatest southpaw boxer of all times is "Sweet Pete [Pea]" Whitaker. The greatest MYTH of all times is Sugar Ray Robinson. The defensive boxer of all times is Money May. The greatest defensive fighter of all times is Roy Jones Jr. The greatest southpaw defensive fighter of all times is Hector "Macho Time" Camacho. The game is known as "The Sweet Science" for a reason. There are several ways to sweetly get it done -- book, hook or crook, and even --as in the case of SRR-- sweet optical illusional look. And, of course, A BIG TALE! Holla!

Radam G says:

You can slide and ride to Dailymotion dot com and holla at Sugar Ray Robinson: The Bright Lights and Dark Shadows of a... If you have problems there, hit it up on videosurf. One of these days when the webnet powers that be quit knocking down my sneak videos, you are going be surprised about a lot of fighters and their dark shadows and those videos and files that U.S. spy agencies have on them. You can be fooled by the magic 24/7/365 when you don't know how the optical illusion works. Holla!

the Roast says:

Check, 1 2 I just wrote a big reply RG but it didnt post!

the Roast says:

Let me try again. I grew up hearing about that "myth" my Dad talked alot about Sugar Ray, Joe Louis and of course, Ali. You know I love you no matter if we agree or not. In this case it's "not". I've seen that documentary, Bright lights and Dark Shadows. I found it depressing as hell. Same thing for that doc on Ali-Fraizer a few years ago. I cant agree with your picks of Roy Jones Jr. or Hector Camacho as ATG of anything. I would pick Whitaker as ATG of defense. He was very hard to hit with a clean shot when he was at his best. I havent seen much footage of Pep, I hate that black and white stuff, it makes me sleepy. I'll take Micheal Jordan over anybody in basketball. Thats my man.

Radam G says:

C'mon, the Roast! I got you measured now. Some of Pinoy cousins around the Chicago way, are probably pumping you full of fermented Pinoy coconut juice. Danggit! I won't be bringing more of dat buzz juice to the States. [Next, those cousins of mine will be feeding you tasty Pinoy balut and betamax.] You are gettin' yo' buzz on. Now you know Pinoy are basketball-lovin' diehards. Of course you are going to pick Chicago's great MJ. Okay! But I'm also a MJ MAN -- Magic Johnson, BAAABBBBBEEEEEEEE! Also a Dr. J, the late, great Pistol Pete Maravich and Kareem Abdul Jabbar. His son and I are boys. So whenever you see a 6-foot-6 cat walking into the fights with 5-foot-6 Pinoy-TIME dude, don't guess too long about what tyme it is. True story: One time Michael Jordan, Dennis Rodman and I were gettin' our Blackjack gamble on in New Jersey. I cleaned those suckas clock on dat night. They were GREAT B-ball players. Terrible Blackjack players. Another true story: Dennis Rodman has two Pinoy blood brothers on the Filipino National Basketball team. His father lives in the Philippines and has 15 sons -- toddlers to twenty-something-year olds. Holla!

the Roast says:

So now you are trying to tell me that Jordan wasnt the greatest of all time? Ask Magic the next time you see him. He will tell you it's Jordan. Magic had Kareem and Worthy, while Jordan had only Pippen. I dont know any celebrities but I saw a ton of Bulls games during MJ's prime. That man was a killer. Refuse to lose. The best ever.

brownsugar says:

sorry RG,.. anyway you slice it dice it rationalize it or justify it. you can't take anything away from SRR,. the guy dominated the 147, 160, and almost the 175lb weight classes...Your argument is superficially compelling but it doesn't hold water.... Sure he lost some,.. even Willy Pep got thrashed by Sandy Saddler on several occassions... back then guys almost had a 200 fight career,.. and would fight the same guys half a dozen times. Wouldn't be surprised if some guys including Ray lost on purpose just to keep things interesting. SRR is still considered the gold standard that pros are measured by. I heard that he could be aloof and non-sociable sometimes... even to the point of being disrespectfully rude. Demanding privacy in the presence of demanding fans ....refusing to sign autographs and shake hands etc..... But SRR wasn't out to win a popularity contest and his person quirks are probably what made him such a magnificent boxer... I couldn't imagine Floyd or Manny beating him more than once or twice in ten meetings apiece. Ray had too much stamina, too much movement,.. too much activity,.. to accurate a jab and left hook... plus he could nail you while fleeing in reverse... awesome.

Radam G says:

It is not me, B-Sug. I've only seem Sugar Ray Robinson on film. But it just been tons of oldies -- living and dead -- such as Dick Saddler, Sandy Saddler, Archie Moore, Frankie Karr, Chuck Bodak, Lou Duva, Angelo Dundee, Drew Bundini Brown, Yanky Durham, Kirk Johnson, Bill Miller, Earl Wilkerson, Champ Chaney and Bob Griffin, just to name a few trainers and boxers who saw SRR in many of his amateur fights and pro ones. How many times did you hear the late, great Eddie Futch say that the Sugarman was the greatest? That is what I thought -- NEVER! Matter of fact, Earl "Silky" Wilkerson kayoed SRR in sparring. Archie "The Old Mongoose put it on the Sugarman so bad that he was fired, as was Jersey Walcott. And the Sugarman didn't coming up in weight and challenging them. A lot of these cats went up in weight because SRR wouldn't fight them. And he was terrible over 158lbs.

He was a great little man. Roy Jones, Bob Foster, Michael Spinks, Archie Moore and even Mavin Johnson would have been arrested for attempted murder, if SRR could have and would have stepped up to them. He only fought ONE Light-heavyweight champion and LOST, so he didn't come anywhere close to dominating that division. His dominance was Welterweight, not even middleweight. He kept losing and regaining the title. Check it out. And short Tiger Ralph Jones almost killed him, when he -- the Sugarman was 33 years old and at middleweight. People who have never seem SRR fight live make tons of excuses for his beatdowns at middleweight. They claim that his was his best at welterweight and has a short prime and there are no films on him. Where as Money May was still considered PRIME at 33 and now 34, SRR nuthuggers claim that he was already passed his PRIME when his fainted at 31 years old in the bout with Joey Maxim. No excuses! The heat was the same for both fighters, and Maxim had to make weight. SRR didn't. When trialhorse Tiger Ralph Jones put the beatdown on the 33-year-old Sugarman, there were tons of excuses according to the oldtimers. Faders and busters also had a million excuses for SRR when Carmen Basilio also kicked his arse.

Now that Boxrec has unreleaseable info on the Sugarman losing a fight under his birth name of Walker Smith, it has labeled that loss an amateur one. Go and holla at the passive boxing site. I will not slice and dice anything about SRR. There are still quite a few of oldtimers around who will say the truth about SRR. He was 75 percent great and 25 percent myth. Too bad that those who have never seem him in person won't ever know. They have to depend on talebearers, as they have to do for religion. With the exception that Jesus was born of a virgin. Everybody in science and dey mommas can't prove Jack. Nobody and dey dawgs can prove that Sugar Ray Robinson was the pound for pound greatest of all times. It is just by word of mouth by 95 percent who never saw him in a live fight. Two percent who did. And three percent who just lie about everything. Champion Sugar Ray Robinson may have regained the middleweight title the most, but he was also the fighter who lost it the more. And with the times that he got shots and didn't win, he has the record lost a draw attempts at the middleweight title. But that is OKAY! On the GOD of boxing, turn the cheer and then your arse cheers, lmfao! Wow! I always wonder why don't nowadays boxing scribes interview the Angelo Dundees and Lou Duvas who will tell you where to go about SRR. Holla!

FighterforJC says:

So now you are trying to tell me that Jordan wasnt the greatest of all time? Ask Magic the next time you see him. He will tell you it's Jordan. Magic had Kareem and Worthy, while Jordan had only Pippen. I dont know any celebrities but I saw a ton of Bulls games during MJ's prime. That man was a killer. Refuse to lose. The best ever.


Actually Jordan had more than Pippen. MUCH more. He had the ENTIRE NBA. Jordan was the biggest cash cow in NBA history and could get away with everything. He could practically supplex you and hack your arm with an ax and not get called for the foul, but if your breathe on him you'll get a flagrant. Besides, the guy has no integrity whatsoever.

the Roast says:

You must be from Utah FighterforJC. Sounds like sour grapes. Did MJ beat your team? Of course he did, he beat everybodys team. It took Jordan seven years to will the first title. Nobody handed him anything. You still gotta put the ball in the hoop, right? As far as the integrity thing I'm not sure what you are addressing there. I have heard alot of rumors and stuff but I sure as hell dont live in a glass house so....

brownsugar says:

Thanks for the response Radam G would have responded earlier but one of our Pinoy associates was teaching us how to fry redsnapper in coconut milk batter(delicious).......Wow.... you're as stubborn and hardcore as the Pinoy Icon Pacman himself... I can usually go 8-10 rounds with no trouble...but I feel like I'm running out of coconut milk.... and you look like you could go another 15 rounds or more without breaking a sweat... So I'm going for the Knock Out.. to end this once and for all. ..first it's pretty much comman knowlegde SRR lost an amateur fight..and I can understand why Archie Moore and the rest of his peers were hating on him so much...partly is was because he was the first Black boxer to achieve "Rock Star" status and present himself as a celebrity.. Ray travelled with an entourage of folks including a barber, and masseur,.. and a guy who whistled while he worked out, he drove a flamingo pink caddy... always had a list of conditions that had to be met before he'd sign a contract... the man was a obviously a Diva...but inside the ring he was a Demon... some fighters I guess didn't think highly of him.. but the ones who mattered did.. Ali,.. Joe Louis,.. and Sugar Ray Leonard all said he was the greatest ever... The term P4P was created for Ray Robinson so that he could be compared to other fighters irrespective of weight class... in1997 the Ring, (still a credible rag at that time) ranked him the best fighter in history...1999 he was rated welterweight and middleweight of the century by the Associated press*** the same organization that rated Pacman the fighter of the decade....in 2007 ESPN, the most respected sports network on the planet rated him the best boxer in history when they ran thier top 50 ranking...the middleweights he beat like Basillo and Fulmer just to name a few were like a who's who of Hall of famers... He was rated "Fighter of the Year" twice... the Legacy is real... so tangible that other fighter who possessed even a semblance of his skill (like SRL and Shane Mosley) took his name and went on to be great themselves... so I feel like I'm in pretty good company.. .... everyone is entitled to their own opinion...maybe someday we can watch somebody take his place....but not today.... thanks again my friend for the earnest discussion...I'll catch you on the next one.

Radam G says:

@B-Sug, you missed the knockout. I rosed before the ref reached 10. No way is it common knowledge that Sugar Ray Robinson got beat as an amateur, because the sucka was straight-up defeated. He was even held overnight until the powers that be could confirm that his was indeed the amateur great after his put a serious beatdown on Willie Pep. Maybe you can holla at that in his boxrec bio. If not his, it will probably be in Willie Pep's. Boxrec is a passive, free site. It only gave the Sugarman a lost as an amateur, because it is chicken to report that it happened early in the Sugarman's pro career. I've been telling that jive in TSSU for years. There are powers around which are protecting some lies about SRR. The FBI has a BIG FILE on him and even Army intelligence. SRR was more a creation for a cause than the greatest P4P pugilist of all times.

Have you check with The Ring Magazine lately. It has Harry Greb as number one P4P of all times, not SRR. And I bet that in a few more years, it will mysteriously find info where SRR lost a fight or two "in the South" under his birth name of Walker [George] Smith Jr. Double lives and fighting in more than one name have always been the norm for a lot of pugilists. Then when they become GREAT, certain and sometimes many powers cover up their dirt or mishaps. Da hurt bitness is full of optical illusions and is indeed the theatre of the unexpected. Holla!

the Roast says:

Ding! Ding! Ding! Alright you mugs, now hug it out like Rocky and Apollo! "Aint gonna be no rematch" "Dont want one" Crowd goes wild! Music plays....

Radam G says:

Hehehehehehehe! The Roast, you're too much! Holla!

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