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MASTERFUL MANNY: Pacquiao Beats Bradley, And The Judges Agree

BY Michael Woods ON April 13, 2014
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No doubt about this one, as Manny Pacquiao, yes, still in possession of his aggression, showed Timothy Bradley that he's still master of the ring domain, still has stamina and energy and fire and reflexes..and way too much for Bradley, who had some moments, but generally looked not like the man who dazzled Juan Manuel Marquez last year.

We held our breathe until we heard 116-112, 116-112, 118-110, for Pacman. "The new WBO welterweight champion of the world," said Michael Buffer of the Congressman.

Manny went 198-563 to 141-627 for the Bradley, according to CompuBox.

Congressman Pacquiao (55-5-2; age 35; from Philippines) was 145 at the weigh in, 151 on fightnight, while Bradley (31-0; age 30; living in Cali) was 145.5 and 152 tonight. Manny came to the ring first, of course looking serene. He grinned, waved to fans, looked fully in his element. Bradley, in camo robe, walked to the ring looking less serene than Pacman. He looked down, not inclined to take in the aura.

I had Manny winning, 8-4.

In the first, Bradley's right landed a few times and his movement confounded Manny. He was master of distance.

In the second, the action accelerated, like it was the fifth. They rumbled in the middle of the round and Manny's left found a home a couple times. Bradley got buckled a tiny bit.

In the third, Bradley followed Manny, tried to make the older man work too hard. Pacman's accuracy and movement were on message, though. Bradley loaded up on shots and wanted to aim to the body to sap the Congressman.

In the fourth, Bradley's power spoke. A right hurt Manny a bit, and the Cali boxer was in a groove in this round. Joel Diaz told Bradley he buckled him twice. "Catch him on the way in," he told Bradley. Replay showed Manny was knocked off both feet with the right.

In the fifth, Bradley looked to lure Pacman coming in, but his ring generalship, and his two hard rights took the round. In the sixth, Manny was busier. Volume gave him the round.

In the sixth, Manny teed off on Bradley, who was waving him on, getting macho, and stupid. A flurry on the ropes at the 40 second mark had the crowd buzzing

.In the seventh, Manny had Bradley backing up. Was Bradley trying to lure Manny into making a mistake? I didn't like these tactics.

In the eighth, Manny had his most controlling round. Bradley's balance was off, and he stumbled twice. In the ninth, Bradley looked clumsy, and Pacman's combos were spot on. Tim was fighting like he had too many tequilas. "The fight is real close right now," Diaz told Bradley.

In the tenth, Manny kept pressing, Bradley looked to land wild bombs. For much of the round, Bradley was busier. Freddie Roach told Manny not to follow Bradley, after the round. In the 12th, the Manny left was sharp. Yep, the aggression was still there, wasn't it? Manny's defense, underrated, help up. A butt cut Manny, with 12 seconds left. We went to the cards..

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DaveB says:

Between Bradley hurting his calf and Pacquiao's mother putting a hex on him he lost. Just kidding. All praises to Pacquiao for a well deserved victory. The fight was really good for the first half. Bradley is a head case. What was going on with all of the hands by the side and the head unprotected? That was plain stupid. That made me not care if his butt got knocked out at that point. You know there will be Pac Brad 3 from Papa Bob.

SouthPawFlo says:

Bradley fought a good fight for the first couple of rounds then reality kicked in, he's not better than Pac Man, and he knows it...

The plan of trying to counter Pac was a good plan, but he should've thrown more str8 shots instead of them Looping wide shots...


In My opinion there shouldn't be a 3rd fight because Pac really won both fights.....

Bradley has no power yet he was trying to go for the knockout....

He's the Top Rank version of Paulie Malinaggie (Sp*)

Radam G says:

There will be no three fight. Holla!

Skibbz says:

There will be no three fight. Holla!


That all there is to say RG???

You don't lose boxing skill or intelligence, but what Manny has lost in my opinion is the pop n power he used to have. He's not the same guy he was a few years ago and I think that showed last night.

Bradley on the other hand was looking for one punch all night.. Unfortunately when he rocked Manny, he thought the game plan was the right one and followed it through all the way to the 12th.. He became tired loading all those shots and missing, and paid for it. Diaz did a bad job in the corner he should have changed the tactics, and told Bradley to stop messing around and get serious.

Manny looked reluctant to use the left at points in my opinion because of the threat of the overhand right, but his right hand was working nice.

He will walk through Alvarado, I really don't want to see Pac Marquez 5.. I hope Pac fights till the end of 2015 then calls it an end because I don't see him carrying much into 2016. Still, not a disappointing boxing performance from Manny but it looked like to me Pac wasn't going to drop Bradley. I thought it would require some real venom to do that and Pacquiao didn't have it last night. Will watch it again soon.

Radam G says:

That all there is to say RG???

You don't lose boxing skill or intelligence, but what Manny has lost in my opinion is the pop n power he used to have. He's not the same guy he was a few years ago and I think that showed last night.

Bradley on the other hand was looking for one punch all night.. Unfortunately when he rocked Manny, he thought the game plan was the right one and followed it through all the way to the 12th.. He became tired loading all those shots and missing, and paid for it. Diaz did a bad job in the corner he should have changed the tactics, and told Bradley to stop messing around and get serious.

Manny looked reluctant to use the left at points in my opinion because of the threat of the overhand right, but his right hand was working nice.

He will walk through Alvarado, I really don't want to see Pac Marquez 5.. I hope Pac fights till the end of 2015 then calls it an end because I don't see him carrying much into 2016. Still, not a disappointing boxing performance from Manny but it looked like to me Pac wasn't going to drop Bradley. I thought it would require some real venom to do that and Pacquiao didn't have it last night. Will watch it again soon.


Nobody is the same guy that he was a few years ago. That is not the way life goes. Every day we are going down. Nonetheless, styles make fights. And you don't lose punching power. But you do lose pop. [My 114-year-old Tio Mamoy will knock you da double out with the same punching power of the 1920$ and 30$, it will just take the punches snail pace to get there.] However, Da Manny has not yet lost that pop. T-Brad was able to disguise da Pacpop put on him.

The game is full of optical illusions. And if a person is fighting not to get kayoed, he will make the other fighter look a bit listless with the pop. Doing what T-Brad did -- backing the to rope after he got popped -- he made Da Manny's pop look like slop. And then away to the ropes, T-Brad would bunny hop. He's maysadong sywertihon -- very lucky -- that PacMommy's hex didn't work on his arse. Hehehe!

I give it up to him. He fooled a lot of eyes that were looking, but not boksing minds that were seeing. Once you know how the optical illusion is done, you are not fooled by the magic. T-Brad had every intention of not becoming an a-typical PacMan tragic. Holla!

Skibbz says:

I'm not buying it RG.. Yeah a few times Bradley was knocked back but that's more down to his poor balance than Pac's power. His speed is there but the pop just wasn't from what I saw.. Bradley was wobbled a few times but he didn't do himself any favours with his fight plan that was looking for the money shot that was never coming.. Team Pac were steps ahead in terms of a fight plan but the KO did not come. To put Bradley down you need to do a lot and Pac just didn't have it.

Pac was trying to set it up and you're right Bradley wasn't taking the same risks he took previously but that's his progression as a fighter coupled with his respect for Pacman. Pac didn't look great to me, he should be making plans for retirement by 2016 in my opinion, with 2 more straight forward fights and try his earnest to set up the Mayweather showdown.

Radam G says:

I'm not buying it RG.. Yeah a few times Bradley was knocked back but that's more down to his poor balance than Pac's power. His speed is there but the pop just wasn't from what I saw.. Bradley was wobbled a few times but he didn't do himself any favours with his fight plan that was looking for the money shot that was never coming.. Team Pac were steps ahead in terms of a fight plan but the KO did not come. To put Bradley down you need to do a lot and Pac just didn't have it.

Pac was trying to set it up and you're right Bradley wasn't taking the same risks he took previously but that's his progression as a fighter coupled with his respect for Pacman. Pac didn't look great to me, he should be making plans for retirement by 2016 in my opinion, with 2 more straight forward fights and try his earnest to set up the Mayweather showdown.

I'm not selling it. Hehehe! Everybodee and dey momma are looking, but nobody and dey naive neighbor are seeing. Styles make fights.

Nobody in the amateurs or pros have ever looked against T-Brad. He is a modern-day late, very-good Jimmy Young, Emmanuel Augustus and Steve Forbes. Nobody ever looked good against them.

Of course, T-Brad didn't take the same risks as he previously did. He didn't want to get kayoed. So he fought in a crowding, mauling, bytch-swinging style. Hats off to him. Even his saying that Da Manny was going to have to knock him out to win was a trick of the trade by T-Brad.

He had no intent of getting knocked out. And nobody has every kayoed him -- amateurs or pros. Dude is solid. Give him credit and luv. When Da Manny "kayos da next muthapucka," the talk of his boxing demise will shift again. Holla!

amayseng says:

Skibbz, you are missing it my friend, Tim was hurt, a few times, badly why do you think his legs were all over the place, flailing and flopping and flying all over the ring, into the ropes? Why do you think Tim fought well in the early rounds and just did not in the middle and late rounds? because he forgot? NO dude was hurt many times. He was being outclassed and beat up, i think he was quite dazed from mid fight on. And yes he did tire out because Pac made him miss hundreds of power shots, missing punches takes a lot more out of you than landing them or having them blocked.

Pac is 35 not 25 and yes physically he is different. That is life, but at a stage where you see his speed and power have declined a bit he just beat the legit ww champ, who is in his physical prime and a top 5 lb4lb guy 8-4 in rounds, clearly and cleanly...

Is that not impressive?

When Floyd fights slow, in spots, controls spacing and distance and his opponents out put people say he is fighting smart, but when Pac does it people say its negative...

mortcola says:

Tim did a few dumb things in there, a yearning he has to prove how much adversity he can face and overcome. But when he is on he is underrated. Excellnet use of gloves to catch shots, head angles, RARELY gets hit cleanly by anyone - the harm inflicted by Provodnikov was a result of Bradley doing his macho thing and giving up all semblance of tricky movement, bull to a red flag. Pacquiao did a masterful job of balancing power with the sort of speed and both setting traps and watching head rhythms that lets you deliver an efficient amount of damage while not leaving yourself a sucker for counters. He did more of this after the third round of this fight than in the first. Bradley is a current P4P, high on the list, but not quite at the top; Manny is that much more complete and naturally gifted. Decision is final. No need for 3, like Radam said. the judging injustice was balanced, and there is no question who is the better fighter when you put the two together. Good work, congressman; and props, Tim - you’re a gifted and brave man, and there is no shame in being ALMOST the best. But - even though you might pulled a muscle, just stop offering the world you unofficial diagnoses after the fight. Even if you give the other guy his props, it just makes you look bad.

jzzy says:

Bradley and his corner blew it, stupid execution by Bradley, wasting alot of energy early desparetly swinging for the fences. Hopefully, Marquez
wins and then gives Pacman a rematch. But let's face it , Pacman should retire after that. Can you imagine what Mayweather would do against
Bradley or Pacman at this juncture??

Skibbz says:

Skibbz, you are missing it my friend, Tim was hurt, a few times, badly why do you think his legs were all over the place, flailing and flopping and flying all over the ring, into the ropes? Why do you think Tim fought well in the early rounds and just did not in the middle and late rounds? because he forgot? NO dude was hurt many times. He was being outclassed and beat up, i think he was quite dazed from mid fight on. And yes he did tire out because Pac made him miss hundreds of power shots, missing punches takes a lot more out of you than landing them or having them blocked.

Pac is 35 not 25 and yes physically he is different. That is life, but at a stage where you see his speed and power have declined a bit he just beat the legit ww champ, who is in his physical prime and a top 5 lb4lb guy 8-4 in rounds, clearly and cleanly...

Is that not impressive?

When Floyd fights slow, in spots, controls spacing and distance and his opponents out put people say he is fighting smart, but when Pac does it people say its negative...


Because of his improper balance! His weight is placed awkwardly and when you hit him on his dome or shoulder he will be moved. Yes he was hurt, but that doesn't stop the man from fighting, if anything when Bradley is hurt he fights fire with fire. Reason why he didn't do so well in the middle and late rounds is because he was starting to gas. The occasion coupled with the power he was loading his shots with (and how often he missed) sapped his strength fast. By the time he was 7-2/3 down and already exhausted he could only drop his hands and do the macho act to try convince people he's not phased by his failures up to that point.

I don't deny he beat Bradley fair and square, clean and clear but that was as much down to Tim's fight plan as it was Pacquiao's offense. Manny got caught once and adjusted perfectly, Bradley landed once, missed a thousand more yet still banked on the same shot! If it had gone on for another 10 rounds he would have tried the same thing..

amayseng says:

Because of his improper balance! His weight is placed awkwardly and when you hit him on his dome or shoulder he will be moved. Yes he was hurt, but that doesn't stop the man from fighting, if anything when Bradley is hurt he fights fire with fire. Reason why he didn't do so well in the middle and late rounds is because he was starting to gas. The occasion coupled with the power he was loading his shots with (and how often he missed) sapped his strength fast. By the time he was 7-2/3 down and already exhausted he could only drop his hands and do the macho act to try convince people he's not phased by his failures up to that point.

I don't deny he beat Bradley fair and square, clean and clear but that was as much down to Tim's fight plan as it was Pacquiao's offense. Manny got caught once and adjusted perfectly, Bradley landed once, missed a thousand more yet still banked on the same shot! If it had gone on for another 10 rounds he would have tried the same thing..


And why did Tim keeping loading up on those power shots missing and tiring himself out?

Just like how everyone facing floyd says they wont head hunt, then they do, miss, get countered and tire.

Pac did the same thing, allowed Tim to almost land those shots which made him keep throwing them.

These veterans are doing more than meets the tv eye. Up close they are setting up their opponents for

their own downfall.

Radam G says:

And why did Tim keeping loading up on those power shots missing and tiring himself out?

Just like how everyone facing floyd says they wont head hunt, then they do, miss, get countered and tire.

Pac did the same thing, allowed Tim to almost land those shots which made him keep throwing them.

These veterans are doing more than meets the tv eye. Up close they are setting up their opponents for

their own downfall.


Masterful way to explain what looking eyes don't see. But what seeing eye do see and know.

Yes, indeed! Crafty veterans are always "setting up their opponents for their own downfall." That is the beauty about the art of war of the sweet science. Holla!

Carmine Cas says:

Props to Manny, he's still got something left in him

Bradley fought smart in the earlier rounds but then got drunk as the fight wore on, very very stupid

I'd rather him fight Mayweather then Marquez a fifth time

deepwater2 says:

Good fight by both guys. Undercard pretty good. PAC still has it. This was a fight between two top p4p guys. Even though Bradley didn't go down he was hurt a few times. PAC did something no other pro has done and that his give Bradley his first loss. The fighter of the decade is still impressive . It's a shame that safety first Floyd can't make the fight happen.

deepwater2 says:

Props to Manny, he's still got something left in him

Bradley fought smart in the earlier rounds but then got drunk as the fight wore on, very very stupid

I'd rather him fight Mayweather then Marquez a fifth time


The whole world wants to see him fight mayweather except mayweather.

spit bucket says:

Bradley's chance of winning evaporated the moment he decided he'd win by KO. He was masterful against Marquez so it was alarming and a bit disappointing to see him winging wide energy sucking shots like a B fighter. His balance isn't good anyway but he was trying so hard that it became allot worse. Thought Pac was just OK. He really looks to be on the downslide. Hope he never fights May.
Is it just me or was Lampley especially annoying last night?

The Shadow says:

Bradley and his corner blew it, stupid execution by Bradley, wasting alot of energy early desparetly swinging for the fences. Hopefully, Marquez
wins and then gives Pacman a rematch. But let's face it , Pacman should retire after that. Can you imagine what Mayweather would do against
Bradley or Pacman at this juncture??


Sadly, yes. Something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fr8O6Tn6nc

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=deepwater2;49096]The whole world wants to see him fight mayweather except mayweather.[/QUOTE]

It's funny people say that. Privately, the reason he came out of retirement was to fight Manny Pacquiao. That's the truth.

I think you're right about Manny. He still looks amazing. He still has everything he had before, sans being impervious to pain and having nuclear power.

Radam G says:

[QUOTE=jzzy;49086]Bradley and his corner blew it, stupid execution by Bradley, wasting alot of energy early desparetly swinging for the fences. Hopefully, Marquez
wins and then gives Pacman a rematch. But let's face it , Pacman should retire after that. Can you imagine what Mayweather would do against
Bradley or Pacman at this juncture??[/QUOTE]
Fam May and the shadow Al Hymen can let the world see what Money May will do to Da Manny. Money May will get his arse handed to him. And it will jive up his great myth of invincibility. As the same that happened to his great grandpopses in their war in the P-Islands.

Family May, tsAH, Pops Joy May and Showtime are masters of illusions and BIG lies.

If Money May could so easily have beaten Da Manny, he'd have already done it. But for him, and the American way, myth is more popular and acceptable. Holla!

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=Radam G;49112]Fam May and the shadow Al Hymen can let the world see what Money May will do to Da Manny. Money May will get his arse handed to him. And it will jive up his great myth of invincibility. As the same that happened to his great grandpopses in their war in the P-Islands.

Family May, tsAH, Pops Joy May and Showtime are masters of illusions and BIG lies.

If Money May could so easily have beaten Da Manny, he'd have already done it. But for him, and the American way, myth is more popular and acceptable. Holla![/QUOTE]

Al Haymon doesn't speak to anyone. How is he lying?

Manny isn't knocking anyone down, let alone out above lightweight anymore. If he can't stop Bradley, Marquez or Rios, he sure as hell isn't stopping one of the greatest defensive fighters in history.

Whatever was in Alex Ariza's MannyPak has left with Ariza and taken Manny's big-weight power with him.

We can agree to disagree, which is great, too.

Instead, let's do the bet. $1000 and if I win, you work my corner for an amateur fight. If you win, $1000 for you and I videotape me running down Ocean Drive screaming Hakuna Matata 73 times in my underwear.

If I get arrested, so be it. LOL.

Deal?

spit bucket says:

[QUOTE=amayseng;49091]And why did Tim keeping loading up on those power shots missing and tiring himself out?

Just like how everyone facing floyd says they wont head hunt, then they do, miss, get countered and tire.

Pac did the same thing, allowed Tim to almost land those shots which made him keep throwing them.

These veterans are doing more than meets the tv eye. Up close they are setting up their opponents for

their own downfall.[/QUOTE]

Great Post, amayseng

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=spit bucket;49120]Great Post, amayseng[/QUOTE]

Agreed.

Carmine Cas says:

[QUOTE=deepwater2;49096]The whole world wants to see him fight mayweather except mayweather.[/QUOTE]

They do, perhaps Mayweather doesn't want the fight, but it's safe to say Bob Arum doesn't want the fight either.

the Roast says:

[QUOTE=Carmine Cas;49122]They do, perhaps Mayweather doesn't want the fight, but it's safe to say Bob Arum doesn't want the fight either.[/QUOTE]

I don't see why not. It's still the biggest fight that can be made. Both sides will make the most money than any other fight. Come on people, lets get it on already!

SouthPawFlo says:

Where does Tim Bradley go from Here???

Maybe give Providinikov a rematch or take a "showcase" fight against a lesser opponent???

He's definitely not a PPV star so it's back to HBO for him

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=SouthPawFlo;49125]Where does Tim Bradley go from Here???

Maybe give Providinikov a rematch or take a "showcase" fight against a lesser opponent???

He's definitely not a PPV star so it's back to HBO for him[/QUOTE]

Kell Brook, if he beats Porter/Malignaggi!

BFF says:

man that was a great display of skillz behind the mad science of manny!
im so glad i stayed up that late here in europe to watch it. i was in my living room going crazy off my seat the whole time by myself. was it wrong for me to chant the greatest chant of all time....

ole ole ole ole Pacquiao!!! ole ole ole ole Pacquiao!! Pacquiao!!

Radam G says:

[QUOTE=The Shadow;49116]Al Haymon doesn't speak to anyone. How is he lying?

Manny isn't knocking anyone down, let alone out above lightweight anymore. If he can't stop Bradley, Marquez or Rios, he sure as hell isn't stopping one of the greatest defensive fighters in history.

Whatever was in Alex Ariza's MannyPak has left with Ariza and taken Manny's big-weight power with him. [url]https://mobile.twitter.com/ArizaFitness/status/206112057353977857

That said, we can agree to disagree, which is great, too.

Instead, let's do the bet. $1000 and if I win, you work my corner for an amateur fight. If you win, $1000 for you and I videotape me running down Ocean Drive screaming Hakuna Matata 73 times in my underwear.

If I get arrested, so be it. LOL.

Deal?[/QUOTE]

It is opponents' styles, glass chins and abilities to take body shots that get you the knockouts over them, not that hyped-up mythical syet. A boxer's punches on and off roids and PEDs have been no stronger or weaker. Holla at Sport Science. Punchers are born. Just as those who can take a good punch are born.

When Da Manny get into the squared jungle with a fighter with Redcoat Ricky's chin and style, and he will get a knockout. If he gets into the ring with Money May, he will get a knockout, because Money May will not be able to psych him out. Optical illusions are all up in the game. Make the style-up matches, you will get the knockouts. It has always been more about the matchmaking. This is why the nowadays George Foster Deontay Wilder appears to be a knockout great. Put him against a live body, and you will see that he ain't got nuffin.'

The knockout artist, the young Big George Foreman was going never kayoed the late, very good Jimmy Young or GOAT Ali, because styles and chins didn't allowed it. But every single time, BGF's style was going to yo yo the late, great Smokin' Joe Frazier and the wrongly-matched Gerry Cooney every day of the week, and seven times on Sunday.

BTW, if the late, great GBG Manny Steward would not have improved the style of heavyweight king Doc W.K., the doctor would be being put the sleep every other fight.

Greatness does not requires for one to knock out or down opponents. The greatest P4P boxer ever Willie Pep only had 65 stoppages in 241 bouts. And how many knockouts have Money May had in a decade? Less than "The Fighter of The Decade."

The greatest defensive of all times was stopped. So will Money May be if he fights a real challenge, instead of an optical illusion setup. But I ain't hatin' him. That's hurt bitnezz. Holla!

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=Radam G;49137]It is opponents' styles, glass chins and abilities to take body shots that get you the knockouts over them, not that hyped-up mythical syet. A boxer's punches on and off roids and PEDs have been no stronger or weaker. Holla at Sport Science. Punchers are born. Just as those who can take a good punch are born.

When Da Manny get into the squared jungle with a fighter with Redcoat Ricky's chin and style, and he will get a knockout. If he gets into the ring with Money May, he will get a knockout, because Money May will not be able to psych him out. Optical illusions are all up in the game. Make the style-up matches, you will get the knockouts. It has always been more about the matchmaking. This is why the nowadays George Foster Deontay Wilder appears to be a knockout great. Put him against a live body, and you will see that he ain't got nuffin.'

The knockout artist, the young Big George Foreman was going never kayoed the late, very good Jimmy Young or GOAT Ali, because styles and chins didn't allowed it. But every single time, BGF's style was going to yo yo the late, great Smokin' Joe Frazier and the wrongly-matched Gerry Cooney every day of the week, and seven times on Sunday.

BTW, if the late, great GBG Manny Steward would not have improved the style of heavyweight king Doc W.K., the doctor would be being put the sleep every other fight.

Greatness does not requires for one to knock out or down opponents. The greatest P4P boxer ever Willie Pep only had 65 stoppages in 241 bouts. And how many knockouts have Money May had in a decade? Less than "The Fighter of The Decade."

The greatest defensive of all times was stopped. So will Money May be if he fights a real challenge, instead of an optical illusion setup. But I ain't hatin' him. That's hurt bitnezz. Holla![/QUOTE]

So that's a "Yes!" Done deal!

Skibbz says:

[QUOTE=amayseng;49091]And why did Tim keeping loading up on those power shots missing and tiring himself out?

Just like how everyone facing floyd says they wont head hunt, then they do, miss, get countered and tire.

Pac did the same thing, allowed Tim to almost land those shots which made him keep throwing them.

These veterans are doing more than meets the tv eye. Up close they are setting up their opponents for

their own downfall.[/QUOTE]

That's nothing new, my point is that Bradley and his corner should have seen it was never going to happen. The odd time he did catch Pacquiao, Pac would kick it up a gear and Bradley wouldn't score for a while. Not many doubted it would be a Pacquiao victory, but I think the ease of which he cruised it is much more down to Bradley's failures than Pacquiao's skill, and I don't mean to take anything away from Pacquiao's skill level.

Pacquiao dangled the bait and everybody in Team Bradley was reaching out for it.

Radam G says:

Never do I deal. Money May will never even sample a PacMEAL! Because for the rest of Money May's life, he will not heal. Holla!

Skibbz says:

[QUOTE=The Shadow;49129]Kell Brook, if he beats Porter/Malignaggi![/QUOTE]

Wouldn't mind seeing Bradley in the UK again. But Brook would make nice work of him in my opinion. A Provo rematch is the last thing Bradley wants but i'm sure he'd take it if that's what's left on the table.

deepwater2 says:

[QUOTE=The Shadow;49107]It's funny people say that. Privately, the reason he came out of retirement was to fight Manny Pacquiao. That's the truth.

I think you're right about Manny. He still looks amazing. He still has everything he had before, sans being impervious to pain and having nuclear power.[/QUOTE]

That is funny. If Floyd came out of retirement to fight PAC he would have opened his mouth and said he wants to fight PAC. Maybe he would put a silly poll on his Facebook asking PAC or khan? Floyd checks under his bed at night to see if PAC is there. If PAC retires next year Floyd will call him out.

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=deepwater2;49149]That is funny. If Floyd came out of retirement to fight PAC he would have opened his mouth and said he wants to fight PAC. Maybe he would put a silly poll on his Facebook asking PAC or khan? Floyd checks under his bed at night to see if PAC is there. If PAC retires next year Floyd will call him out.[/QUOTE]

Lol. Really? And he hasn't opened his mouth and said that?

Why don't you click on the links and see for yourself:

[url]http://m.espn.go.com/extra/boxing/story?storyId=7447532&src=desktop

[url]http://m.espn.go.com/extra/boxing/story?storyId=7235880&src=desktop

[url]http://www.mlive.com/mayweather/index.ssf/2011/11/report_floyd_mayweather_to_fig.html

[url]http://m.espn.go.com/extra/boxing/story?storyId=7433886&src=desktop

Floyd Calls Out Pacquiao Before Marquez III (2011): [url]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jwhjPoMdtvE

Mayweather: I Want To Fight Pacquiao (2010): [url]http://m.espn.go.com/extra/boxing/story?storyId=4806180&src=desktop

Source: Floyd To Come Out Of Retirement, Wants Pacquiao (2009): [url]http://m.espn.go.com/extra/boxing/story?storyId=3994843&src=desktop

Floyd Calls Out Pacquiao -- Again (2012): [url]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mayweather-to-pacquiao-step-up-punk/

I know it's sorta off topic but just for fun, here are Bob Arum's responses to each challenge: [url]http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content11512.html

The Shadow says:

This is not about Mayweather, though. This is Manny's moment, no pun intended. He proved a lot of people wrong last night, for better or worse.

Radam G says:

[QUOTE=The Shadow;49153]This is not about Mayweather, though. This is Manny's moment, no pun intended. He proved a lot of people wrong last night, for better or worse.[/QUOTE]

They're bounded together like Siamese twins. And Money May is a master of perpetrating a fraud. He got an idea to do that jive on Tweeter from the old gossip of GOAT Ali calling out the late, great Smokin' Joe Frazier to fight him at Philly City Park. The GOAT was bulljiving, but thousands of people showed up at that park to the phantom fight.

Money May is a Tweeting bullspitter. He plays to the naive. If he really wanted to fight Da Manny on such-and-such day, he would have got it on a signed contact, as "Unforgivable Blackness" Jack Johnson did heavyweight king Tommy Burns over a 100 years ago. He followed the champ around with the contract in hand.

Money May has never wanted to fight Da Manny. He just wanted publicity from pretending to. Now his bulljive is dying out. This is why he spent a mil or two putting advertisement all over the MGM and Sin City about his May bout with Maidana during the Pacquiao-Bradley II fight week and day. Holla!

The Shadow says:

To quote Jim Lampley, "IT HAPPENED!! IT HAPPENED!!!"

Canelo-Lara. Is. On.

Wow.

deepwater2 says:

[QUOTE=The Shadow;49152]Lol. Really? And he hasn't opened his mouth and said that?

Why don't you click on the links and see for yourself:

[url]http://m.espn.go.com/extra/boxing/story?storyId=7447532&src=desktop

[url]http://m.espn.go.com/extra/boxing/story?storyId=7235880&src=desktop

[url]http://www.mlive.com/mayweather/index.ssf/2011/11/report_floyd_mayweather_to_fig.html

[url]http://m.espn.go.com/extra/boxing/story?storyId=7433886&src=desktop

Floyd Calls Out Pacquiao Before Marquez III (2011): [url]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jwhjPoMdtvE

Mayweather: I Want To Fight Pacquiao (2010): [url]http://m.espn.go.com/extra/boxing/story?storyId=4806180&src=desktop

Source: Floyd To Come Out Of Retirement, Wants Pacquiao (2009): [url]http://m.espn.go.com/extra/boxing/story?storyId=3994843&src=desktop

Floyd Calls Out Pacquiao -- Again (2012): [url]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mayweather-to-pacquiao-step-up-punk/

I know it's sorta off topic but just for fun, here are Bob Arum's responses to each challenge: [url]http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content11512.html[/QUOTE]

I remember those incidents at the time . Floyd calling PAC a punk and saying to fight on his twitter mixed in with his other antics isn't a formal challenge . Offering PAC 40 million isn't the way business is done. I can get 100s of links that have mayweather excuses . Al Haymon has to sit down at the table and the dotted line is the only way it gets done. PAC says the lines are open. Floyd says this:
'We all know the Pacquiao fight, at this particular time, will never happen, and the reason why the fight won't happen is because I will never do business with Bob Arum in life, and Pacquiao is Bob Arum's fighter,' Mayweather told Fight Hype.
'Bob Arum gives Pacquiao a date, whereas Floyd Mayweather gives Floyd Mayweather his own date. I will be fighting again in May and September.'
Mayweather also hinted that he does not believe the eight-division world champion is a big enough draw.
Pacquiao's win over Brandon Rios in Macau last month achieved 475,000 pay-per-view buys compared to 2.2m for Mayweather's masterclass against Saul Alvarez in September.
'I want to see Manny Pacquiao's real pay-per-view numbers,' added Mayweather. 'Get them from his last fight and compare them to my numbers with Canelo Alvarez.'

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=deepwater2;49170]I remember those incidents at the time . Floyd calling PAC a punk and saying to fight on his twitter mixed in with his other antics isn't a formal challenge . Offering PAC 40 million isn't the way business is done. I can get 100s of links that have mayweather excuses . Al Haymon has to sit down at the table and the dotted line is the only way it gets done. PAC says the lines are open. Floyd says this:
'We all know the Pacquiao fight, at this particular time, will never happen, and the reason why the fight won't happen is because I will never do business with Bob Arum in life, and Pacquiao is Bob Arum's fighter,' Mayweather told Fight Hype.
'Bob Arum gives Pacquiao a date, whereas Floyd Mayweather gives Floyd Mayweather his own date. I will be fighting again in May and September.'
Mayweather also hinted that he does not believe the eight-division world champion is a big enough draw.
Pacquiao's win over Brandon Rios in Macau last month achieved 475,000 pay-per-view buys compared to 2.2m for Mayweather's masterclass against Saul Alvarez in September.
'I want to see Manny Pacquiao's real pay-per-view numbers,' added Mayweather. 'Get them from his last fight and compare them to my numbers with Canelo Alvarez.'[/QUOTE]

Yes, there's a lot of nonsense back and forth. I was just responding to you saying you wanted Mayweather to speak it out of his mouth.

But I know there has been good-faith attempts from Amayweather's side while he was inactive. I know there has been several bad-faith attempts from the other side, as well.

Mostly, it's been a power struggle. Flashing their peckers to see whose is bigger. It's really that childish.

Speaking of non-publicized negotiations, I have that from first-hand accounts. Jeff Mayweather, the only college graduate of the family, was the point of contact.

During the first negotiations, Mayweather also compromised like a MOFO. He repeatedly refused 50-50 but agreed to it. Then he went along with the mind-f*cking $10m-per-pound penalty.

The whole issue of drug testing was there from day one.

In spite what they said, they NEVER agreed to it. After Mayweather's side said the 14-day cutoff was of the table, they THEN said "OK." (My pecker is bigger than yours!)

Then when they did that silly countdown clock, using Floyd to promote the next fight (which pissed them off), the contract they had offered didn't accept drug testing.

They always would use little tricky language like, we've accepted "more or less," or we've accepted "with provisions."

Here's the truth about the second round negotiations: through Ross G., they sent their deal terms they would agree to which included a COMPROMISE between Floyd's first compromise (14 days) and latest stance of testing up to fight.

(Hey Dick! My pecker is bigger than yours!)

Of course, that got rejected before negotiations could even start.

Then Floyd came with the whole thing where he said "this is the time and place." From what I heard -- perhaps RG can confirm -- PAC was down!

Then his leech team got in his ear and said "don't let him dictate to you, Manny! You're Manny Pacquiao, loved all over the world! He's just some hoodlum ******."

"But aaaaaah, I want to go toe to toe."

"No, Manny! Don't let him dictate to you!"

It's all posturing. That's what killed it. People in a pecker-comparing contest.

With all that being said, the Mayweather camp has indeed pursued it. GBP called Top Rank's offices, they wouldn't return the call.

What's really crazy to me is that Arum used Floyd to build Marquez III. "Floyd fears Manny's right hand," he said. "If Manny agrees to only jab with the right hand, the fight will be made in five minutes."

Then when they use that judge, who's been the mediator between them, they sent an email talking about "oh we're gonna make Pacquiao-Marquez 4."

Man while he keeps lying to media about how he wants to make the fit.

Ain't that some sh*t.

Either way, you wanted to see Floyd say he wanted it and I think he's pretty much made it clear for years straight.

brownsugar says:

Wow what a fight... Manny truly defined himself as a very efficient fighter last night in beating Bradley.... Bradley had to expend 110% of himself just to keep even, he set a pace that was impossible to maintain and tried to compensate by offering up commentary by way of body language after the halfway point of the fight. The trouble with that is, all the posturing and gestering can't whitewash the fact that Bradley was losing the war to a fighter who was faster... smarter and who paced himself more efficiently.

Bradley gave all he had to give but was clearly outmatched in the finess department. Manny reminded me of how Aaron Pryor(a far better boxer than given credit for) would land multiple combinations rather than launching homerun haymakers.... an error Bradley made repeatedly in the second half of the fight.

I liked watching Bradley take the fight to Manny... It was the few times he fought effectively.. but the amount of energy he had to expend was way more than what he could afford to pay.
It was a good try but no need for a rematch unless Manny reaches the age where he begins to decline. No need for Bradley to feel embarrassed ... He put in worthy although misguided effort. He was never going to duplicate Marquez's perfect punch....I'm surprised that he kept trying to use the strategy over and over.... even though it was clearly obvious to the audience as well as Manny what his intentions were.

Waiting for a sucker punch in a title fight against an elite quality opponent like Manny shows just how much Team Bradley had run out of ideas.
The only fighter gifted enough to compete with Manny at this point and time is an aging Mayweather. Perhaps when the slightly disappointing numbers come in after his fight with Maidana, they can sit down like mature capitolists and make the fight.

Manny clearly proved that he along side Mayweather is truly in a class of his own

MisterLee says:

Nice recap EM, I agree with most of it, but I remember giving Bradley more rounds b/c of activity. Radam is right tho, Bradley is a tough sonuvabitch! I couldn't believe he was chasing a lion around the ring! Some balls!

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=MisterLee;49188]Nice recap EM, I agree with most of it, but I remember giving Bradley more rounds b/c of activity. Radam is right tho, Bradley is a tough sonuvabitch! I couldn't believe he was chasing a lion around the ring! Some balls![/QUOTE]

I was thinking the same thing.

He's one of those guys that had he lived in Ancient Rome, he would've been condemned to [I]Damnatio Ad Bestia[/I] -- death by being fed to a wild animal like a lion -- he would've fought the lion to his dying breath.

And the lion would've felt it.

(Funny sidebar story, George Foreman once knocked out a lion.)

Radam G says:

The Rev. Big George had a pet lion. He use to drive it around in a fantasy convertible car. You can probably find old photos in cyberspace somewhere. Iron Mike had a pet lion too. Holla!

Radam G says:

The Rev. Big George had a pet lion. He use to drive it around in a fantasy convertible car. You can probably find old photos in cyberspace somewhere. Iron Mike had a pet lion too. Holla!

the Roast says:

[QUOTE=Radam G;49275]The Rev. Big George had a pet lion. He use to drive it around in a fantasy convertible car. You can probably find old photos in cyberspace somewhere. Iron Mike had a pet lion too. Holla![/QUOTE]

Mike did have a pet lion. Those guys stole it in the Hangover movie...

mortcola says:

Many hasn’t lost power. He was destroying Marquez and was close a KO, strafing him, wobbling and cutting him, when he walked into that right hand. Bradley takes a great punch, and is hard to hit cleanly. You put Manny in with a top 135-142 lber and you’ll see the effects of the power. Plus - every fight in which Manny was complaining of leg cramps are ones in which he didn’t set up his best punches. There is little if any physical decline.

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=mortcola;49277]Many hasn’t lost power. He was destroying Marquez and was close a KO, strafing him, wobbling and cutting him, when he walked into that right hand. Bradley takes a great punch, and is hard to hit cleanly. You put Manny in with a top 135-142 lber and you’ll see the effects of the power. Plus - every fight in which Manny was complaining of leg cramps are ones in which he didn’t set up his best punches. There is little if any physical decline.[/QUOTE]

"He didn't punch as hard as the last time." - Tim Bradley.

mortcola says:

[QUOTE=Radam G;49137]It is opponents' styles, glass chins and abilities to take body shots that get you the knockouts over them, not that hyped-up mythical syet. A boxer's punches on and off roids and PEDs have been no stronger or weaker. Holla at Sport Science. Punchers are born. Just as those who can take a good punch are born.

When Da Manny get into the squared jungle with a fighter with Redcoat Ricky's chin and style, and he will get a knockout. If he gets into the ring with Money May, he will get a knockout, because Money May will not be able to psych him out. Optical illusions are all up in the game. Make the style-up matches, you will get the knockouts. It has always been more about the matchmaking. This is why the nowadays George Foster Deontay Wilder appears to be a knockout great. Put him against a live body, and you will see that he ain't got nuffin.'

The knockout artist, the young Big George Foreman was going never kayoed the late, very good Jimmy Young or GOAT Ali, because styles and chins didn't allowed it. But every single time, BGF's style was going to yo yo the late, great Smokin' Joe Frazier and the wrongly-matched Gerry Cooney every day of the week, and seven times on Sunday.

BTW, if the late, great GBG Manny Steward would not have improved the style of heavyweight king Doc W.K., the doctor would be being put the sleep every other fight.

Greatness does not requires for one to knock out or down opponents. The greatest P4P boxer ever Willie Pep only had 65 stoppages in 241 bouts. And how many knockouts have Money May had in a decade? Less than "The Fighter of The Decade."

The greatest defensive of all times was stopped. So will Money May be if he fights a real challenge, instead of an optical illusion setup. But I ain't hatin' him. That's hurt bitnezz. Holla![/QUOTE]

Perfect

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