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It's Past Time For Mayweathers' Legacy Fight

BY Frank Lotierzo ON February 07, 2014
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Five division champ Floyd Mayweather must never sleep. His mind is always working. Last week he floated (yes, it was he who put it out there through one of his gofers) a rumor that he bet $10.4 million on the Denver Broncos to win the Super Bowl, then after the Broncos went down 43-8 to the Seattle Seahawks, he confirmed that he didn't even bet the game.

Before that he Tweeted that he wanted boxing fans to pick who he should fight next between Englishman Amir Khan 28-3 (20) and Marcos Maidana 35-3 (31). Yeah, that'll really make fans feel as if they have a say in the process. I wonder how the vote would unfold if there were other candidates involved named Manny Pacquiao, Sergio Martinez and Gennday Golovkin? Think Floyd would give the fans what they wanted then? Of course not.

However, since we're stuck with Khan or Maidana that's what we have to work with. There's definitely a better story line surrounding Maidana. After all, Marcos just took apart Floyd Mayweather-lite in Adrien Broner in his last fight, and he is an aggressive guy who can hit pretty good. The problem is, Mayweather has already handled bigger and stronger fighters than Maidana without too much trouble. It's unlikely in my mind that Maidana could hurt Mayweather enough to turn the fight with one shot even if Floyd stood right in front of him and gave him a freebie. Add to that Mayweather's boxing skills and defense, how many good shots would Maidana even land over the course of 12 rounds? I bet you could count them on one hand.

So the thought of Mayweather fighting Maidana does nothing to stimulate me and I'm sure I'm not alone. Amir Khan used to be trained by Pacquiao trainer Freddie Roach, and Roach believes Khan could be Mayweather's stumbling block.

"I've always said Amir has the right style to beat Floyd if he fights correctly and doesn't stay in the pocket too long," Roach told reporters earlier this year. "I always thought he could beat him with his speed. I think he's faster than Mayweather and that's what it takes to beat him. Floyd might have his hands full on the night."

Sure, what Roach said is very plausible on paper. But Floyd is too long, strong and accurate for Khan. And though Mayweather is not a single shot knockout type puncher, his accuracy would be a problem for Khan, being that Amir will be lured into pushing the fight and get hit very cleanly on the point of the chin as he tried to pursue Mayweather. The reality is Khan isn't skilled enough and Maidana isn't nearly a big enough puncher to unravel Mayweather. Mayweather's skill set is in a different universe compared to Amir Khan and Marcos Maidana. There's just no buzz, interest or drama in seeing either Khan or Maidana in the ring with Mayweather at this point. Everyone knows Floyd would jog to an easy win over both of these outstanding fighters. The time has come for Floyd to finally take a career defining fight that critics like myself can't attach a "but" too. Like Shane Mosley was a corpse when Mayweather finally fought him seven years after it meant something, or Saul Alvarez hadn't yet arrived as a real threat when Floyd agreed to fight him at a catch-weight. How about beating the much smaller Juan Manuel Marquez on the scale before manhandling him in the ring? Sugar Ray Leonard had a chance to fight Alexis Arguello in 1980 and declined because he felt it was too one sided in his favor. How much credit would Leonard have received had he taken Arguello apart the way Mayweather did Marquez? Not much. Well, Mayweather beating up an over-fed featherweight in Marquez is the same thing.

I was one of the last hold outs to submit that Floyd Mayweather is an authentically great fighter, but I've evolved, he is and he doesn't have to beat Manny Pacquiao to justify it. That said, I still think of him as being greatly managed before I think of what he brings to the ring as a fighter, and I'm nowhere close to being in the minority when it comes to holding that view among boxing observers and historians. Floyd needs a legacy fight in a bad way. Everyone knows there's no one around in his weight vicinity who can beat him, there just isn't. It's past the time for Floyd Mayweather to finally step up and take on a legitimately dangerous bigger fighter without shrinking him down before the fight to where he is compromised. Mayweather has amassed all the money and material things he'll ever need or desire. However, the chance to establish an ever-lasting legacy as an all-time great is running out like sand through an hourglass.

In reality, Gennday Golovkin is the only fighter near his weight who could provide Floyd a real challenge and that's the only fight out there for Mayweather that should interest the public. Roberto Duran and Thomas Hearns took on Marvin Hagler when he was in his prime and lost, but losing didn't hurt their legacy a bit. Sugar Ray Leonard fought Hagler when Marvin was riding an 11 year unbeaten streak and Ray had only fought once in five years, and Golovkin is no Hagler, yet Leonard beating Hagler sealed his legacy forever as one of the greatest of the greats.

Sure, Mayweather is a certain first ballot hall of fame fighter and boxer. But does he really belong in that adjacent room where only the greatest of the greats reside - namely Harry Greb, Henry Armstrong, Sam Langford, Sugar Ray Robinson, Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran and a few other pound for pound greats? Not based on his current resume despite him being undefeated. In fact, it's not even close.

Even if he won a decision over the determined and hard punching Golovkin, it wouldn't open the door for him to join the fighters in that adjacent room as the greatest of the greats, there's nothing he can do to get in there. But beating Golovkin without a stipulation or catch-weight would be a monumental signature win, especially at age 37, and very well could get him a window seat outside it and stir the debate as to whether he should be invited in or not.

Unfortunately, those of us who have followed Floyd Mayweather's stellar career know this will never happen. Floyd is only concerned about retiring undefeated and could care less if he's more remembered for being risk averse instead of as Muhammad Ali once said, not being "afraid to dare to dare!"

Frank Lotierzo can be contacted at GlovedFist@Gmail.com

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SouthPawFlo says:

Floyd has a legacy "Career" one fight wouldn't define him, the man has been a world champion almost 2 decades....

GGG is a fad in my opinion, I'm still not sold on him yet, plus he's advertised by Bob & he's probably 20lbs too big for Floyd, I don't see people asking Rigondeaux to fight Pacquiao at 147 to Define his Career.

It's crazy that people uses Floyd's talent against him like it's his fault he's way better than all the guys in his division..... People wanna see Floyd "challenged" and I get that, but Maidana & Khan are both world class fighters and you don't know what they'll bring to the table on fight night.

The Shadow says:




Five division champ Floyd Mayweather must never sleep. His mind is always working. Last week he floated (yes, it was he who put it out there through one of his gofers) a rumor that he bet $10.4 million on the Denver Broncos to win the Super Bowl, then after the Broncos went down 43-8 to the Seattle Seahawks, he confirmed that he didn't even bet the game.


Not true. He confirmed it five days before the Super Bowl. #factcheck

The Shadow says:

Floyd has a legacy "Career" one fight wouldn't define him, the man has been a world champion almost 2 decades....

GGG is a fad in my opinion, I'm still not sold on him yet, plus he's advertised by Bob & he's probably 20lbs too big for Floyd, I don't see people asking Rigondeaux to fight Pacquiao at 147 to Define his Career.

It's crazy that people uses Floyd's talent against him like it's his fault he's way better than all the guys in his division..... People wanna see Floyd "challenged" and I get that, but Maidana & Khan are both world class fighters and you don't know what they'll bring to the table on fight night.


GGG is actually with the Klitschkos. But he's contractually bound to HBO. Has nothing to do with Arum. Not even sure they've ever met.

Coxs Corner says:

If Mayweather wants to be considered and I do mean considered an "all time great" he needs to do what other all time greats did and mot just cherry pick his opponents. Fight a legitimate middleweight and beat him. Great welterweights like Ray Leonard did it, Ray Robinson did it, Thomas Hearns won a middleweight title. As of now Roberto Duran is the only former lightweight kingpin to win a middleweight title. If Mayweather wants to be considered in the same breath as them he needs to do the same thing. You are who you've fought to as great degree.

Radam G says:

Money May has already said that he is "The Best Ever," not "The Greatest" or even an all-time great. Holla!

The Shadow says:

If Mayweather wants to be considered and I do mean considered an "all time great" he needs to do what other all time greats did and not just cherry pick his opponents. Fight a legitimate middleweight and beat him. Great welterweights like Ray Leonard did it, Ray Robinson did it, Thomas Hearns won a middleweight title. As of now Roberto Duran is the only former lightweight kingpin to win a middleweight title. If Mayweather wants to be considered in the same breath as them he needs to do the same thing. You are who you've fought to as great degree.


Your argument isn't the best because you're missing one important point. Those guys you mention STARTED at welterweight and fought at light heavyweight or heavier.

FM started at super featherweight. He won the Senior National Golden Gloves 105, if I'm not mistaken. Only reason -- or at least a major reason -- he didn't go pro then was because he wanted to win the Olympics.

So overall, he HAS done what other greats have done. Most importantly, Mayweather (along with Pacquiao) holds the record for most legitimate, lineal championships in the most weight classes.

More than Leonard, more than Jones, more than Hearns, De La Hoya, Toney, you name it. You can't cherry pick your way to that. You just can't.

In fact, Floyd, had he signed to fight Garcia at 140, would be the first since Homicide Hank to hold THREE lineal titles at once.

So your point is kinda flawed. He maxes out at 147. Even 154 is stretching it. And he only goes there for mega fights. 160 is just madness. He and Pacquiao are the same size. No one's asking him to go up.

As far as legacy, his legacy is money. His three fights at JMW were record breaking blockbusters, averaging over 2 million buys per bout.

That will be his legacy, if he were to retire today. Not too shabby, in my book.

The Shadow says:

If Mayweather wants to be considered and I do mean considered an "all time great" he needs to do what other all time greats did and not just cherry pick his opponents. Fight a legitimate middleweight and beat him. Great welterweights like Ray Leonard did it, Ray Robinson did it, Thomas Hearns won a middleweight title. As of now Roberto Duran is the only former lightweight kingpin to win a middleweight title. If Mayweather wants to be considered in the same breath as them he needs to do the same thing. You are who you've fought to as great degree.


Interesting point. However you're kinda disrupting your case by ignoring one one important element. Those guys you mention STARTED at welterweight and fought at light heavyweight or heavier.

FM started at super featherweight. He won the Senior National Golden Gloves 106. Only reason -- or at least a major reason -- he didn't go pro then was because he wanted to win the Olympics.

So overall, he HAS done what other greats have done. Most importantly, Mayweather (along with Pacquiao) holds the record for most legitimate, lineal championships in the most weight classes.

More than Leonard, more than Jones, more than Hearns, De La Hoya, Toney, you name it. You can't cherry pick your way to that. You just can't.

In fact, Floyd, had he signed to fight Garcia at 140, would be the first since Homicide Hank to hold THREE lineal titles at once.

So your point is kinda flawed. He maxes out at 147. Even 154 is stretching it. And he only goes there for mega fights. 160 is just madness. He and Pacquiao are the same size. No one's asking him to go up.

As far as legacy, his legacy is money. His three fights at JMW were record breaking blockbusters, averaging over 2 million buys per bout.

That will be his legacy, if he were to retire today. Not too shabby, in my book.

Coxs Corner says:

Roberto Duran turned pro as a featherweight and had a long reign as lightweight champion before moving up to welterweight and didn't even bother with the junior welterweight title and fought the best 147 pounder in the world, Ray Leonard instead of trying to make a match with say Pipino Cuevas who held the WBA title he could have made that fight before Thomas Hearns signed to fight him. Duran fought Marvin Hagler for the middleweight title and went the distance and Hagler had to rally over the last 3 rounds to earn the decision. Think Mayweather could go the distance with Marvin Hagler? He wouldn't even sign to fight him. GGG isn't exactly Hagler now is he? Duran won a middleweight title against the much bigger, stronger and more powerful Iran Barkley. I don't see anything like this on Mayweathers resume. Money is his legacy and that's about it.

amayseng says:

Roberto Duran turned pro as a featherweight and had a long reign as lightweight champion before moving up to welterweight and didn't even bother with the junior welterweight title and fought the best 147 pounder in the world, Ray Leonard instead of trying to make a match with say Pipino Cuevas who held the WBA title he could have made that fight before Thomas Hearns signed to fight him. Duran fought Marvin Hagler for the middleweight title and went the distance and Hagler had to rally over the last 3 rounds to earn the decision. Think Mayweather could go the distance with Marvin Hagler? He wouldn't even sign to fight him. GGG isn't exactly Hagler now is he? Duran won a middleweight title against the much bigger, stronger and more powerful Iran Barkley. I don't see anything like this on Mayweathers resume. Money is his legacy and that's about it.


Agreed.

Duran superior to Floyd by FAR. As is Hearns, Hagler and SRL.

The Shadow says:

Think Mayweather could go the distance with Marvin Hagler? He wouldn't even sign to fight him...Money is his legacy and that's about it.


His legacy will be money and drug testing.

Here's a question. Think Marvin Hagler would sign to fight Archie Moore? Think he would win? I don't see anything like that on his resume, either.

AMayseng, I dig Hagler though. A real blue-collar type of grinder. Who wins, him or GGG?

amayseng says:

His legacy will be money and drug testing.

Here's a question. Think Marvin Hagler would sign to fight Archie Moore? Think he would win? I don't see anything like that on his resume, either.

AMayseng, I dig Hagler though. A real blue-collar type of grinder. Who wins, him or GGG?


Hagler.

Radam G says:

@CC, Money May is in the art of prizefighting, and he gets it. His legacy should be about making that money. All the pugilist who were/are in the ring for pride fighting and fan fighting, are in the end fool fighting against the bill collectors and trifling government tax bullies. Holla!

SouthPawFlo says:

I think Floyd will go down as the Biggest Boxing Star since Muhammad Ali, Iron Mike is probably more recognizable right now but that hasore to do with his outta the ring antics too, but Floyd and his handlers have done an excellent job of making him as "mainstream" as possible even though boxing isn't a Mainstream Sport.....

The Shadow says:

I think Floyd will go down as the Biggest Boxing Star since Muhammad Ali, Iron Mike is probably more recognizable right now but that hasore to do with his outta the ring antics too, but Floyd and his handlers have done an excellent job of making him as "mainstream" as possible even though boxing isn't a Mainstream Sport.....


He will never be bigger than Iron Mike in my book. He was famous for knocking motherfockers out COLD. HE was arguably the most famous person in the world at one point, right there with Michael Jackson.

Radam G says:

Biggest money boxing star. Money May is not facially or name recognized by none boxing fans, even on the mainland USA. People around the globe knew/know GOAT Ali by FACE and name, as they do the late, great Mike Jackson. Holla!

The Shadow says:

Biggest money boxing star. Money May is not facially or name recognized by none boxing fans, even on the mainland USA. People around the globe knew/know GOAT Ali by FACE and name, as they do the late, great Mike Jackson. Holla!


...AND Mike Tyson!

Exactly right, if you got Europe and ask about Mayweather, most people won't know him.

People will know the fock outta the Three Mikes though. And Ali. And Barry O (not Orton).

brownsugar says:

I beg to differ regarding Mayweathers popularity.... when ever May fights. fight parties abound,.... and they are attended by females... non boxing fans. Even Women only parties..... I don't know anybody who doesn't have Floyd on there twitter and face book accounts. Floyd's diligence in the social media realm (which has made the world infinitely smaller) is paying dividends. Floyd is inexorably embedded in the culture for better or worse.

People tuned in to Canelo vs Floyd the same reason they tuned in to watch Floyd vs Del la Hoya, the size differential and the quality of the opposition made them both must see fights.

a junior middle versus a very good natural junior welter.... and guess who came out on top.

But fans rarely care what happened yesterday... casually writing off the opponent as too old or too green or suddenly full of faults.

Boxing is a like walking on a tightrope.... when you walk it at 50 feet. the paying customers want to know if you can walk the rope at 100 feet above concrete without a net.

Floyd has to keep the circus rolling and I fear that Khan is not worthy enough for Floyd to get the type of revenues he claims he deserves.
Only Cotto (if he wins) Martinez (if he wins) or Thurman (if he continues to be successful) will bring out the curious. Possibly Maidana for the casual fans.
Floyd grow older while the challengers are younger and bigger... how long can he pull this off???
How long can a wealthy man maintain his hunger for boxing?... Floyd has to be a man of incomparable discipline to continue in this potentially dangerous sport.

Radam G says:

"Fight parties abound" on the U.$. mainland in the Midwest and East Coast involving working class cats and kittens might know Money May. But none-fightfan women in the upper-class society do know not Money May. Even guys who don't follow boxing don't know Money May by name or face.

He is no GOAT Ali, Mike Tyson or Manny Pacquiao. The three are the most recognized names and faces on the planet at this time. They are up there with Prez Obama and the Pope.

SORRY! But Money May is boxing BIG money, not world popularity. Football -- socker -- players are more known than he is. Even basketballers Kobe Byrant, C. Anthony and King Lebron James are more global well known than Mayweather.

It is not hard to prove how not well known Money May is around the world. Any scribe here can do it in a nano second.

Again, Money May is boksing riches -- not high global popularity. Da Manny's dog "Pacman" has more world popularity than Money May.

Money May can hangout with Bieber in Europe, Asia, Africa, South America or Australia and the Bieber will be more recognized.

Let's deal with reality and actuality. Big-Screen Rocky, Apollo Creed and Clubber Lang are most global recognized than Money May.

Real-time traveling, instead of cyberspace traveling would leave no doubt. Holla!

amayseng says:

My close friends, all who played baseball, basketball and football through the years in high school and in college aren't die hard boxing fans and don't know who Floyd is. They don't watch any PPV's.

My boys in Ohio, who I grew up with watching boxing and ordering PPV's in the mid and late nineties and early 2000's, don't really watch boxing anymore.

However, they order the monthly UFC ppv and make that their fight party. Reasoning why---action and numerous great match ups and fights.

When I was up there for the Silva fight there were nine of us, 2 white and 7 black, and this is the usual group who watches the UFC.

So although I understand Shadows facts of a nation of blacks looking for someone like Floyd to follow, there are many here in this country , some of my lifelong friends that are not intrigued by Floyd for some reason.

I think because he doesn't knock people out and his style is somewhat boring. I appreciate a pure boxer, but I am human as well and Floyd coasts to safe decisions, it can get boring watching the Ghost with slow feet plodding, missing a few shots and Floyd hitting him once and bicycling out and away for 20 seconds till it happens again.

The Shadow says:

I beg to differ regarding Mayweathers popularity.... when ever May fights. fight parties abound,.... and they are attended by females... non boxing fans. Even Women only parties..... I don't know anybody who doesn't have Floyd on there twitter and face book accounts. Floyd's diligence in the social media realm (which has made the world infinitely smaller) is paying dividends. Floyd is inexorably embedded in the culture for better or worse.

People tuned in to Canelo vs Floyd the same reason they tuned in to watch Floyd vs Del la Hoya, the size differential and the quality of the opposition made them both must see fights.

a junior middle versus a very good natural junior welter.... and guess who came out on top.

But fans rarely care what happened yesterday... casually writing off the opponent as too old or too green or suddenly full of faults.

Boxing is a like walking on a tightrope.... when you walk it at 50 feet. the paying customers want to know if you can walk the rope at 100 feet above concrete without a net.

Floyd has to keep the circus rolling and I fear that Khan is not worthy enough for Floyd to get the type of revenues he claims he deserves.
Only Cotto (if he wins) Martinez (if he wins) or Thurman (if he continues to be successful) will bring out the curious. Possibly Maidana for the casual fans.
Floyd grow older while the challengers are younger and bigger... how long can he pull this off???
How long can a wealthy man maintain his hunger for boxing?... Floyd has to be a man of incomparable discipline to continue in this potentially dangerous sport.


You're completely right, Suge. But as far as his popularity, you're talking in the US. I'm talking on a global scale.

Keep in mind, I'm a foreigner.

Here's a good example: when Tyson fought, the entire continent of Europe was up late at night to watch him. From the '80s until the 2000s.

When Mayweather fights, no one really gives a crap. No one even knows. I'm telling you the truth.

You know I respect Floyd's boxing big time but that's just the truth.

brownsugar says:

"Fight parties abound" on the U.$. mainland in the Midwest and East Coast involving working class cats and kittens might know Money May. But none-fightfan women in the upper-class society do know not Money May. Even guys who don't follow boxing don't know Money May by name or face.

He is no GOAT Ali, Mike Tyson or Manny Pacquiao. The three are the most recognized names and faces on the planet at this time. They are up there with Prez Obama and the Pope.

SORRY! But Money May is boxing BIG money, not world popularity. Football -- socker -- players are more known than he is. Even basketballers Kobe Byrant, C. Anthony and King Lebron James are more global well known than Mayweather.

It is not hard to prove how not well known Money May is around the world. Any scribe here can do it in a nano second.

Again, Money May is boksing riches -- not high global popularity. Da Manny's dog "Pacman" has more world popularity than Money May.

Money May can hangout with Bieber in Europe, Asia, Africa, South America or Australia and the Bieber will be more recognized.

Let's deal with reality and actuality. Big-Screen Rocky, Apollo Creed and Clubber Lang are most global recognized than Money May.

Real-time traveling, instead of cyberspace traveling would leave no doubt. Holla!




RG... Nobody's comparing Floyd to Ali... Nobody comes close in popularity because Ali represented so many things.

And its common knowledge Paq is globally more popular... But after selling more PPVs vs Guererro than Paq sold in his last 2 fights
combined is a clear indicator of how well known May is domestically....
and.obviously a household name in Africa and England.
Although Paq has sold about a million more PPVs than Floyd in his lifetime according to google.. The money man is catching up fast..... No one in the past decade has sold more than 2 million PPVs twice.. So I would venture to say Floyd
is known by more than the black community and hardcore fans. The non ending PPV promos alone are enough to provide face recognition in every cable owning household domestically. Personally I have the images of MMA fighters indelibly etched in my consciousness... Guys I never watch. Due to the nonstop barrage. And like it or not he will only become more well known.

In the larger scope of things ... It makes no difference to me if a fighter is a pauper or a prince... I dont have a Paq or Floyd fan club card.... I just watch em fight.

The Shadow says:

"Fight parties abound" on the U.$. mainland in the Midwest and East Coast involving working class cats and kittens might know Money May. But none-fightfan women in the upper-class society do know not Money May. Even guys who don't follow boxing don't know Money May by name or face.

He is no GOAT Ali, Mike Tyson or Manny Pacquiao. The three are the most recognized names and faces on the planet at this time. They are up there with Prez Obama and the Pope.

SORRY! But Money May is boxing BIG money, not world popularity. Football -- socker -- players are more known than he is. Even basketballers Kobe Byrant, C. Anthony and King Lebron James are more global well known than Mayweather.

It is not hard to prove how not well known Money May is around the world. Any scribe here can do it in a nano second.

Again, Money May is boksing riches -- not high global popularity. Da Manny's dog "Pacman" has more world popularity than Money May.

Money May can hangout with Bieber in Europe, Asia, Africa, South America or Australia and the Bieber will be more recognized.

Let's deal with reality and actuality. Big-Screen Rocky, Apollo Creed and Clubber Lang are most global recognized than Money May.

Real-time traveling, instead of cyberspace traveling would leave no doubt. Holla!


You make some excellent points. However you take a it a liiiiiittle too far with the Manny thing. Yes, he may be more known globally than Mayweather. But he is not even close to being among the most famous people on Earth, that I know for a fact.

Not even close. You're giving him too much credit now. I don't even think he's up there with Frank Ribery or Lionel Messi.

But among fighters, yeah, absolutely. I think he's the most famous fighter globally right now.

ANother interesting thing: People didn't really know Oscar De La Hoya either. Only reason I knew him was because he beat this Danish schmuck Jimmy Bredahl for the then-minor WBO title in 92-93 around that time.

(Oscar's six weight world champ status is iffy. The WBO titles he won then were considered minor, much like the IBO is today. Although he did win an IBF title at 135. So I'll give him five. The Prince is really the one who legitimized the WBO, much like Big Larry legitimized the IBF.)

Among die-hard sports fans, De La Hoya, where I'm from anyway, is known as the guy who always loses. Whenever there was a fight that made it to the news just a little, he always lost. That's what he's known for.

And like I've pointed out before, if you go to Europe and ask if people know Alex Rodriguez, Tom Brady, and Kevin Durant, they will not know who they are. Even in this digital age.

While US produces superstars, US popularity doesn't equate worldwide fame.

The Shadow says:

I think because he doesn't knock people out and his style is somewhat boring. I appreciate a pure boxer, but I am human as well and Floyd coasts to safe decisions, it can get boring watching the Ghost with slow feet plodding, missing a few shots and Floyd hitting him once and bicycling out and away for 20 seconds till it happens again.


Good, informative post. I think you're right. You and I can appreciate it. But the masses won't.

A guy like Guerrero should have been tattooed with five-punch combos. Which I'm sure Floyd has the skill to do while still being safe.

He's even admitted as much himself. But those brittle hands of his....

But yeah, tremendous point. I think the lack of knockouts hurt his popularity, for sure. Now people just want to see him lose.

Radam G says:

@The Shadow, you can lead a horse to the brook, but you cannot make it drink the water. Kanos think that the whole globe follows their taste. And if the AmerKanos sneeze, the whole catches a cold. And if you don't, off you will be told.

BTW, I've been to Africa many times and 90 percent of them, including Sub Sahara Africans don't know Money May. And the one who do are very xenophobic and tribal, and won't accept him. He just doesn't have the GOAT Ali or the late, great Nelson Mandela charm, charisma and magnetism. Holla!

Radam G says:

@The Shadow, you can lead a horse to the brook, but you cannot make it drink the water. Kanos think that the whole globe follows their taste. And if the AmerKanos sneeze, the whole catches a cold. And if you don't, off you will be told.

BTW, I've been to Africa many times and 90 percent of them, including Sub Sahara Africans don't know Money May. And the one who do are very xenophobic and tribal, and won't accept him. He just doesn't have the GOAT Ali or the late, great Nelson Mandela charm, charisma and magnetism. Holla!

Radam G says:

@The Shadow, I know not your definition between popularity and fame. I saw Money May in Abu Dhabi and nearly no one knew him. [Amir Khan is better known there.] Money May didn't even have a lot of security guards.

In every single part of the world that Da Manny goes, he has a minimum of 40 armed guards and 60 unarmed, just as GOAT Ali did. And still does. Thousands of fans come out everywhere Da Manny goes. When a crowd knows that Da Manny is near by, traffic comes to a stop. That does not happen with Money May.

I'm not exaggeration an iota about Da Manny. Just ask the scribes in this Universe and other that you know. Da Manny has met and been in the company of 40-plus heads of states, including Prez Obama, the Queen of England, the leader of the largest country in the world -- China. And Da Manny has been in company of the spiritual heads of the major religion of the world. Check the records about Da Manny's popularity.

Money May is a turn off and has only been invited to three heads of states, when he was in their countries. [Heads of states mean counties' prime ministers, presidents, kings and leaders.]

Money May has not been invited to the White House, despite claiming on one of his ShowTime Access that he'd "let Obama carry one of" Money May's title belts into the ring. Holla!

Radam G says:

BTW, it is one-the-seen news powerhouses such as "Time," "Forbes," Wall Street," London Times, Los Angeles Times and the New York Times calling Da Manny "one of the most recognized facest on planet," not me. Holla!

Radam G says:

Now that I've checked, Dennis Rodman has sit and spoke with more heads of states than Money May. And in Asia and Eastern Europe, Dennis is better known than Money May. Optical illusions are everywhere. And they are Money May's strongest trait and trade in and out of the ring.

I don't buy them. Because I know how they work. I just salute Money May's great game of taking advantage and making that moolah, and doing it his way and causing inattention blindness to many. Holla!

The Shadow says:

Now that I've checked, Dennis Rodman has sit and spoke with more heads of states than Money May. And in Asia and Eastern Europe, Dennis is better known than Money May. Optical illusions are everywhere. And they are Money May's strongest trait and trade in and out of the ring.

I don't buy them. Because I know how they work. I just salute Money May's great game of taking advantage and making that moolah, and doing it his way and causing inattention blindness to many. Holla!


I think that's the point I was trying to make.

Not comparing the two. Just saying that Manny's not on the Obama level.

He's far beyond Floyd globally though, in terms of fame. And yeah, so is Rodman. And Shaq. And Magic.

You're right about that thing, though, which is an excellent point. He doesn't have Ali or Mandela's magnetism.

(And I can totally see tribalism causing hate for Lil Floyd.)

I still struggle to figure out what it is. I appreciate his craft. Much like I appreciate Rigo's.

Bencal says:




Five division champ Floyd Mayweather must never sleep. His mind is always working. Last week he floated (yes, it was he who put it out there through one of his gofers) a rumor that he bet $10.4 million on the Denver Broncos to win the Super Bowl, then after the Broncos went down 43-8 to the Seattle Seahawks, he confirmed that he didn't even bet the game.

Before that he Tweeted that he wanted boxing fans to pick who he should fight next between Englishman Amir Khan 28-3 (20) and Marcos Maidana 35-3 (31). Yeah, that'll really make fans feel as if they have a say in the process. I wonder how the vote would unfold if there were other candidates involved named Manny Pacquiao, Sergio Martinez and Gennday Golovkin? Think Floyd would give the fans what they wanted then? Of course not.

However, since we're stuck with Khan or Maidana that's what we have to work with. There's definitely a better story line surrounding Maidana. After all, Marcos just took apart Floyd Mayweather-lite in Adrien Broner in his last fight, and he is an aggressive guy who can hit pretty good. The problem is, Mayweather has already handled bigger and stronger fighters than Maidana without too much trouble. It's unlikely in my mind that Maidana could hurt Mayweather enough to turn the fight with one shot even if Floyd stood right in front of him and gave him a freebie. Add to that Mayweather's boxing skills and defense, how many good shots would Maidana even land over the course of 12 rounds? I bet you could count them on one hand.

So the thought of Mayweather fighting Maidana does nothing to stimulate me and I'm sure I'm not alone. Amir Khan used to be trained by Pacquiao trainer Freddie Roach, and Roach believes Khan could be Mayweather's stumbling block.

"I've always said Amir has the right style to beat Floyd if he fights correctly and doesn't stay in the pocket too long," Roach told reporters earlier this year. "I always thought he could beat him with his speed. I think he's faster than Mayweather and that's what it takes to beat him. Floyd might have his hands full on the night."

Sure, what Roach said is very plausible on paper. But Floyd is too long, strong and accurate for Khan. And though Mayweather is not a single shot knockout type puncher, his accuracy would be a problem for Khan, being that Amir will be lured into pushing the fight and get hit very cleanly on the point of the chin as he tried to pursue Mayweather. The reality is Khan isn't skilled enough and Maidana isn't nearly a big enough puncher to unravel Mayweather. Mayweather's skill set is in a different universe compared to Amir Khan and Marcos Maidana. There's just no buzz, interest or drama in seeing either Khan or Maidana in the ring with Mayweather at this point. Everyone knows Floyd would jog to an easy win over both of these outstanding fighters. The time has come for Floyd to finally take a career defining fight that critics like myself can't attach a "but" too. Like Shane Mosley was a corpse when Mayweather finally fought him seven years after it meant something, or Saul Alvarez hadn't yet arrived as a real threat when Floyd agreed to fight him at a catch-weight. How about beating the much smaller Juan Manuel Marquez on the scale before manhandling him in the ring? Sugar Ray Leonard had a chance to fight Alexis Arguello in 1980 and declined because he felt it was too one sided in his favor. How much credit would Leonard have received had he taken Arguello apart the way Mayweather did Marquez? Not much. Well, Mayweather beating up an over-fed featherweight in Marquez is the same thing.

I was one of the last hold outs to submit that Floyd Mayweather is an authentically great fighter, but I've evolved, he is and he doesn't have to beat Manny Pacquiao to justify it. That said, I still think of him as being greatly managed before I think of what he brings to the ring as a fighter, and I'm nowhere close to being in the minority when it comes to holding that view among boxing observers and historians. Floyd needs a legacy fight in a bad way. Everyone knows there's no one around in his weight vicinity who can beat him, there just isn't. It's past the time for Floyd Mayweather to finally step up and take on a legitimately dangerous bigger fighter without shrinking him down before the fight to where he is compromised. Mayweather has amassed all the money and material things he'll ever need or desire. However, the chance to establish an ever-lasting legacy as an all-time great is running out like sand through an hourglass.

In reality, Gennday Golovkin is the only fighter near his weight who could provide Floyd a real challenge and that's the only fight out there for Mayweather that should interest the public. Roberto Duran and Thomas Hearns took on Marvin Hagler when he was in his prime and lost, but losing didn't hurt their legacy a bit. Sugar Ray Leonard fought Hagler when Marvin was riding an 11 year unbeaten streak and Ray had only fought once in five years, and Golovkin is no Hagler, yet Leonard beating Hagler sealed his legacy forever as one of the greatest of the greats.

Sure, Mayweather is a certain first ballot hall of fame fighter and boxer. But does he really belong in that adjacent room where only the greatest of the greats reside - namely Harry Greb, Henry Armstrong, Sam Langford, Sugar Ray Robinson, Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran and a few other pound for pound greats? Not based on his current resume despite him being undefeated. In fact, it's not even close.

Even if he won a decision over the determined and hard punching Golovkin, it wouldn't open the door for him to join the fighters in that adjacent room as the greatest of the greats, there's nothing he can do to get in there. But beating Golovkin without a stipulation or catch-weight would be a monumental signature win, especially at age 37, and very well could get him a window seat outside it and stir the debate as to whether he should be invited in or not.

Unfortunately, those of us who have followed Floyd Mayweather's stellar career know this will never happen. Floyd is only concerned about retiring undefeated and could care less if he's more remembered for being risk averse instead of as Muhammad Ali once said, not being "afraid to dare to dare!"

Frank Lotierzo can be contacted at GlovedFist@Gmail.com[/QUOTE]
Macos Maidana throws caution to the wind. He could give Floyd a go in the early rounds.

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=Bencal;43718]Macos Maidana throws caution to the wind. He could give Floyd a go in the early rounds.[/QUOTE]

IF he throws caution to the wind, he gets stopped. Quickly.

brownsugar says:

[QUOTE=Radam G;43712]@The Shadow, I know not your definition between popularity and fame. I saw Money May in Abu Dhabi and nearly no one knew him. [Amir Khan is better known there.] Money May didn't even have a lot of security guards.

In every single part of the world that Da Manny goes, he has a minimum of 40 armed guards and 60 unarmed, just as GOAT Ali did. And still does. Thousands of fans come out everywhere Da Manny goes. When a crowd knows that Da Manny is near by, traffic comes to a stop. That does not happen with Money May. Most of the time in parts of Sin City, Money May can drive around and not be known by face.

I'm not exaggerating an iota about Da Manny. Just ask the scribes in this Universe and other that you know. Da Manny has met and been in the company of 40-plus heads of states, including Prez Obama, the Queen of England, the leader of the largest country in the world -- China. And Da Manny has been in company of the spiritual heads of the major religions of the world. Check the records about Da Manny's popularity.

Money May is a turn off and has only been invited to three heads of states, when he was in their countries. [Heads of states mean counties' prime ministers, presidents, kings and leaders.]

Money May has not been invited to the White House, despite claiming on one of his ShowTime Access that he'd "let Obama carry one of" Money May's title belts into the ring. Holla![/QUOTE]


RG that's totally absurd,... he 2.2 mil PPV buys and nobody knows him.... he sold more vs Guerrero that packs last two fights even if you use the 850 thousand figure. and yet he's still not known???



apparently at least 2.2 million wallets know his name and that's all that really matters. .. and in one place called the Philippine Islands the whole country is painfully aware of him.
If boxing was a popularity contest, Paq would have ko'd Marquez instead of the other way around.
None of the other stuff matters inside the ring.

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=brownsugar;43723]RG that's totally absurd,... he 2.2 mil PPV buys and nobody knows him.... he sold more vs Guerrero that packs last two fights even if you use the 850 thousand figure. and yet he's still not known???



apparently at least 2.2 million wallets know his name and that's all that really matters. .. and in one place called the Philippine Islands the whole country is painfully aware of him.
If boxing was a popularity contest, Paq would have ko'd Marquez instead of the other way around.
None of the other stuff matters inside the ring.[/QUOTE]

Suge, there's truth to it man. Mayweather is HUGE domestically. Not as much in other parts of the world -- just like Manning, A-Rod and guys like that are not.

Unlike Ali, Tyson etc., Floyd's not globally TRANSCENDING (which few are).

My dad sat up to watch Ali, Tyson and Holyfield, who's still known, which is why he could command a seven-figure purse in Denmark in his latest fight.

However NOBODY sits up to watch Mayweather. No one even speaks of it.

If there's boxing, they speak about Mikkel Kessler. Roy Jones is better known in Europe even. Remember, all those cable commercials you're used to seeing don't exist like that in other countries.

The way they're airing GGG, I wouldn't be shocked if he's starting to get more famous.

But your point still is valid: 2.2 million here decided to BUY his fights, which is all that matters.

As he says, it's better to be rich than famous.

Two different topics, though. As far as Manny's security goes, I know nothing about that. But I wouldn't be surprised.

brownsugar says:

[QUOTE=The Shadow;43728]Suge, there's truth to it man. Mayweather is HUGE domestically. Not as much in other parts of the world -- just like Manning, A-Rod and guys like that are not.

Unlike Ali, Tyson etc., Floyd's not globally TRANSCENDING (which few are).

My dad sat up to watch Ali, Tyson and Holyfield, who's still known, which is why he could command a seven-figure purse in Denmark in his latest fight.

However NOBODY sits up to watch Mayweather. No one even speaks of it.

If there's boxing, they speak about Mikkel Kessler. Roy Jones is better known in Europe even. Remember, all those cable commercials you're used to seeing don't exist like that in other countries.

The way they're airing GGG, I wouldn't be shocked if he's starting to get more famous.

But your point still is valid: 2.2 million here decided to BUY his fights, which is all that matters.

As he says, it's better to be rich than famous.

Two different topics, though. As far as Manny's security goes, I know nothing about that. But I wouldn't be surprised.[/QUOTE]


Shadow,...your telling me something I already know.... I have never made a claim professing Mayweathers Global popularity, I've already said in my initial comment that Paq is the more globally recognizable guy....... My comments are referring to his domestic appeal....and his financial viability.... which is very respectable.

but to say Mayweather is not known, or a nobody is absurd. He wouldn't be able to generate the revenue... out selling Paq 2 to 1 off the Guerrero fight alone if he wasn't known by somebody. popularity be damned.

Radam G says:

Nobody is talking about PPVs in the world of the U.S.A. We are talking about awareness of the world not the U.S.A. It is pure nonsense that the whole of the Pilipinas know Money May. That is total bullsyet.

Only about a third of Pinoys -- not Pinays -- on the Philippines' nearly 8,000 islands know Money May's face or name. Ninety percent of Pinays over 50-years old don't have a d@mn clue who he is and don't care. It's 99 percent for Pinays under 20-years old.

Wow! You really have some outrageous beliefs about the worldwide popularity of Money May. Justin Bieber is 100 times more known in the P-Islands than Money May. All of his fights are shown FREE in P-Islands via the American Forces Network. But only about two percent of the Filipino population watches his fights.

Money May isn't known -- less alone -- popular or infamous by the general P-Islands' population.

You have really lost it now. When was the last time that you were in the Philippines? Holla!

Radam G says:

Wow! Woopy do! The free telecast of Money May's bouts in the P-Islands don't even draw 50,000 nationals. The only time that Money May will be watched by even 20-percent of P-Islands' nationals is that he is across dat squared jungle from Da Manny. Holla!

brownsugar says:

Nope... RG,... They know him... They know him very well.

Radam G says:

Keep believing in vile fantasies.

The P-Islands were suppose to fall apart and be taken over by "Communist Red China and North Korea" when we kicked the making-up-syet Yanks out for good in the 1990s.

The vast amount of Filipinos know Money May as well as we know that Red China boogie dragons and North Korean monsters are coming to get us.

Keep alternate reality alive -- I mean hope. Holla!

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=brownsugar;43729]Shadow,...your telling me something I already know.... I have never made a claim professing Mayweathers Global popularity, I've already said in my initial comment that Paq is the more globally recognizable guy....... My comments are referring to his domestic appeal....and his financial viability.... which is very respectable.

but to say Mayweather is not known, or a nobody is absurd. He wouldn't be able to generate the revenue... out selling Paq 2 to 1 off the Guerrero fight alone if he wasn't known by somebody. popularity be damned.[/QUOTE]

Oh, got ya. I was talking globally. And I know you know, you're a sensible, highly intelligent man. I was simply clarifying my position, in case I failed to convey it well enough.

The Shadow says:

OK, now I'm lost? Domestically or globally?

RG, are Manny's fights on PPV? They better start putting Dr. Rigo Da Surgeon on Pinoy PPV. With Tatalog translators in the corners.

Hire Buboy! #FreeIncognito #JonathanMartinIsAPunk

Radam G says:

Yup! Whenever Da Manny fights, his bouts are always doing BIG PPV numbers in the P-Islands, Canada, Abu Dhabi, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Qatar and Japan.

The Kano Money May nut-riders don't know jack about how and from where Da Manny's moolah is generated.

Jealousy, hatred and grand standing creates severe inattention and know-nothing blindnesses.

I won't even waste time my posting how PPV optical illusions have haters thinking that Money May is the BIG BOSS.

Yup! On the U.S. mainland, not global. Something that Da Manny is, as was GOAT Ali and Iron Mike.

What I think is that TSS scribes should inform how various types of prizefighting money is made. Holla!

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