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Fan's Choice For Floyd's Next: KHAN OR MAIDANA?

BY Michael Woods ON February 03, 2014
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amir-khan Slide 06f62So I had my "It's Khan" story pre-written, ready to post ASAP if Floyd Mayweather Tweeted out his next, his foe for the May 3 bout for the boxer just named the 2013 Boxing Writers Association Fighter of the Year, during the Super Bowl halfime. But Floyd, as is his way, threw a curveball, and instead Tweeted out a choice. The Michigan-born boxer, who makes Vegas his home and boasts a 45-0 record, and the standing of the most well paid athlete in all of sports, Tweeted his Instagram post, "I'm going to let the fans vote. Who should I fight next. Khan or Maidana?" after the cruddy blowout football contest ended.

Now, you'll notice that the post didn't contain much specificity there. He said he's going to "let the fans vote." He didn't say he's going to let the fans CHOOSE. So if you answer his Instagram post, it looks to me like you're simply engaging in some market research.

Looks to me, furthermore, that many people are going with Option C, ie Manny Pacquiao, so I'm not certain that this isn't a mini-blowback scenario for "Money."

But anyways, relevancy is his stated aim, and that was pretty well achieved, with his poll, and the shooting down of the $10 million dollar bet on the Broncos, which the boxer refuted, while professing complete bewilderment how such a rumor ever got started. How indeed, Mr Mayweather, lol...

Fans and readers, would you rather Floyd glove up against Khan, whose handspeed is top tier but whose chin is third tier, and could lead to something of a rarity for the stellar pugilist with average power, Mayweather...a stoppage win?

Or would you rather see a man with more primitive basic skills, but a caveman quality which insures he will, I think, look to press Mayweather in a more fevered manner than many previous foes have, Maidana? He has a nice level of buzz clinging to him, after downing the ersatz Floyd, Adrian Broner, on Dec. 14, so there will be a paying public willing to convince themselves that his brand of pressure could allow him to do better than Canelo or Guerrero did. Not me...I see neither of those boxers being of the caliber to bother Floyd at all, though I say that with complete respect.

I don't see anyone other than a Andre Ward at 160, or maybe a skilled Cuban cutie like an Erislandy Lara, who is at least in the same hemisphere as Floyd in regards to ring generalship, as having the chops to so much as win three rounds of 12 against the superior technician of his age.

I don't know, could an ascendent Keith Thurman catch lightning in a bottle and bother Floyd?

Tim Bradley has truly come into his own, that's a compelling bout, if the political winds ever shift enough to make it possible.

Some folks think the patient predator Gennady Golovkin has the goods to test and beat Floyd, do you?

Leave your suggestions for Floyd, in our Forum, friends.

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amayseng says:

Nice try Floyd but you aren't getting me to bite on this bullshit.

Why wasn't Floyd asking this before Pac signed Bradley or before GGG announced his April fight?

Khan does not deserve the shot , Madaina does but not before Garcia or GGG or Lara who is the mandantory

at 154.

Floyd is a great boxer but a brilliant bullshitter.


Floyd only gets half props from me for having Canelo come down to 152 to fight for the 154 belt after all his

BS about wanting his opponent to be healthy not hindered as he threw Pac under the bus. Rewatch that

fight Canelo was horrible, absolutely no adjustment and his stamina is a disgrace.

I will not have a problem if Floyd fights Madaina as I would love him to get the payday and he would at least

put forth the effort and make it exciting. However, a Khan fight is a joke even if it is at 140.

What about Garcia? If you are having a guy move up why not the best guy at 140 as in Garcia?

That fight would do good numbers and Garcia is a solid fighter, his dad is a psycho and would sell the fight.

We know he wont go anywhere near GGG at 154 so I wont even speculate.

leon30001 says:

I'm going to go with C. Pacquiao.

SouthPawFlo says:

I'm going with Chino Maidana..

Khan is marketable but he hasn't had a solid win since Zab Judah, and Maidana name is buzzing after what he did to Broner, and there's a built in Storyline already there for the All Access...

I also think Floyd should stick to fighting at 147, he's not a Junior Middleweight.... Fight Maidana and put Broner vs Shawn Porter on the Undercard, or a Matthyse Comeback fight and you'll easily do close to 1.5 million buys....

SouthPawFlo says:

Question, if Erislandy Lara, and GGG walked down the street in 20 top American cities, how many people do you think would recognize them?????

Radam G says:

Money May already knows that everybodee and dey momma are going to pick Maidana. Dude is a marketing genius. Amir Khan is probably going to get Broner on the undercard. Holla!

Radam G says:

@SPF, absolutely NONE! Hehehe! Wow! Holla!

amayseng says:

Question, if Erislandy Lara, and GGG walked down the street in 20 top American cities, how many people do you think would recognize them?????


What should it matter if Floyd is the King of PPV? The way he talks you can add me to fight him and it would sell right?

Floyd vs Garcia
Mattysse vs Broner
Madaina vs Khan

michigan400 says:

Why?? Is he to stupid to pick his own? Those roids he takes are getting to his brain I think. It makes sense,, I mean Roid and Floyd rhyme don't they?? That proves it right there. Plus he's got enough money to keep any test results under wraps ( until he runs out!! ). So if Pac is "nobody" than WTH does that make Kahn and MM?? Fig newtons of the imagination???

Carmine Cas says:

Floyd is smart, he's just trying to develop some more buzz for his next fight and divide the fans further, pushing them away from a Pacquiao fight. Out of the two Maidana is the more deserving but Khan is intriguing. I'd like to see the Danny G fight too but he's not moving up yet. But my choices would Pacquiao, Martinez, GGG, Lara.

The Shadow says:

I'm going with Chino Maidana..

Khan is marketable but he hasn't had a solid win since Zab Judah, and Maidana name is buzzing after what he did to Broner, and there's a built in Storyline already there for the All Access...

I also think Floyd should stick to fighting at 147, he's not a Junior Middleweight.... Fight Maidana and put Broner vs Shawn Porter on the Undercard, or a Matthyse Comeback fight and you'll easily do close to 1.5 million buys....


Quite the optimist, eh?

His next fight will do 1.5 million but not domestically. The are certain thresholds you don't pass unless certain things are in place. Those things are not in place with Maidana.

What I don't get is why people crap on Khan. Everyone loses against Floyd. Maidana will get molested in the same fashion Baldomir was. Hardly scintillating.

At least Khan will make it interesting because of the dynamics. Floyd doesn't knock a lot of people out. Khan's chin is iffy. Khan can match hand speed with Floyd. Khan, historically, has dominated slick fighters.

To deserve or not to deserve?
I don't understand the whole "deserve the fight" argument, either. Sure, he hasn't looked great in recent fights, although I thought he did well with Diaz and was implementing a lot of new Virgil Hunter stuff.

At the level Floyd fights at, you have satisfy A LOT OF stakeholders when you choose an opponent. Fans are only one stakeholder.

When Manny fought Mosley, he was coming off two years without a victory and a woeful performance vs. thee Latin Snake. Everyone crapped all over it. It was still Manny's best selling PPV to date.

Manny's match with Margarito was considered a joke too, yet it exceeded projections and was a smashing box office success.

#Stakeholders

The Big Boys
GGG and his team have publicly said he's not going anywhere till he unifies 160 (plus HBO has exclusive rights to air GGG while SHO has the same with Floyd so it's not happening. It's a contractual impossibility. And forget that whole split PPV theory; that's a last resort only reserved for a 50/50 split scenario, which this isn't and will never be.).

Furthermore, GBP and Floyd's team have publicly said he's done with 154 unless it's mega mega mega fight like Canelo or Cotto. So we can scratch Lara and GGG off the list.

If you really look at all the variables, Khan will be the most exciting fight by far. He will make Floyd uncomfortable for a few rounds. He's not fighting another iron chinned Mexican who refuses to fall.

Khan might actually get hurt and we can see Floyd on the attack. I think it's a fascinating fight. And I think people will be positively surprised by Khan's performance.

Al in all, Khan satisfies more stakeholders than Pacquiao does at this particular time. I think Danny Garcia is a fight down the line, if Danny changes his mind about taking it.

The Shadow says:

I'm going with Chino Maidana..

Khan is marketable but he hasn't had a solid win since Zab Judah, and Maidana name is buzzing after what he did to Broner, and there's a built in Storyline already there for the All Access...

I also think Floyd should stick to fighting at 147, he's not a Junior Middleweight.... Fight Maidana and put Broner vs Shawn Porter on the Undercard, or a Matthyse Comeback fight and you'll easily do close to 1.5 million buys....


Quite the optimist, eh?

His next fight will do 1.5 million but not domestically. The are certain thresholds you don't pass unless certain things are in place. Those things are not in place with Maidana.

What I don't get is why people crap on Khan. Everyone loses against Floyd. Maidana will get molested in the same fashion Baldomir was. Hardly scintillating.

At least Khan will make it interesting because of the dynamics. Floyd doesn't knock a lot of people out. Khan's chin is iffy. Khan can match hand speed with Floyd. Khan, historically, has dominated slick fighters.

To deserve or not to deserve?
I don't understand the whole "deserve the fight" argument, either. Sure, he hasn't looked great in recent fights, although I thought he did well with Diaz and was implementing a lot of new Virgil Hunter stuff.

At the level Floyd fights at, you have satisfy A LOT OF stakeholders when you choose an opponent. Fans are only one stakeholder.

When Manny fought Mosley, he was coming off two years without a victory and a woeful performance vs. thee Latin Snake. Everyone crapped all over it. It was still Manny's best selling PPV to date.

Manny's match with Margarito was considered a joke too, yet it exceeded projections and was a smashing box office success.

#Stakeholders

The Big Boys
GGG and his team have publicly said he's not going anywhere till he unifies 160 (plus HBO has exclusive rights to air GGG while SHO has the same with Floyd so it's not happening. It's a contractual impossibility. And forget that whole split PPV theory; that's a last resort only reserved for a 50/50 split scenario, which this isn't and will never be.).

Furthermore, GBP and Floyd's team have publicly said he's done with 154 unless it's mega mega mega fight like Canelo or Cotto. So we can scratch Lara and GGG off the list.

If you really look at all the variables, Khan will be the most exciting fight by far. He will make Floyd uncomfortable for a few rounds. He's not fighting another iron chinned Mexican who refuses to fall.

Khan might actually get hurt and we can see Floyd on the attack. I think it's a fascinating fight. And I think people will be positively surprised by Khan's performance.

Al in all, Khan satisfies more stakeholders than Pacquiao does at this particular time. I think Danny Garcia is a fight down the line, if Danny changes his mind about taking it.

Carmine Cas says:

Quite the optimist, eh?

His next fight will do 1.5 million but not domestically. The are certain thresholds you don't pass unless certain things are in place. Those things are not in place with Maidana.

What I don't get is why people crap on Khan. Everyone loses against Floyd. Maidana will get molested in the same fashion Baldomir was. Hardly scintillating.

At least Khan will make it interesting because of the dynamics. Floyd doesn't knock a lot of people out. Khan's chin is iffy. Khan can match hand speed with Floyd. Khan, historically, has dominated slick fighters.

To deserve or not to deserve?
I don't understand the whole "deserve the fight" argument, either. Sure, he hasn't looked great in recent fights, although I thought he did well with Diaz and was implementing a lot of new Virgil Hunter stuff.

At the level Floyd fights at, you have satisfy A LOT OF stakeholders when you choose an opponent. Fans are only one stakeholder.

When Manny fought Mosley, he was coming off two years without a victory and a woeful performance vs. thee Latin Snake. Everyone crapped all over it. It was still Manny's best selling PPV to date.

Manny's match with Margarito was considered a joke too, yet it exceeded projections and was a smashing box office success.

#Stakeholders

The Big Boys
GGG and his team have publicly said he's not going anywhere till he unifies 160 (plus HBO has exclusive rights to air GGG while SHO has the same with Floyd so it's not happening. It's a contractual impossibility. And forget that whole split PPV theory; that's a last resort only reserved for a 50/50 split scenario, which this isn't and will never be.).

Furthermore, GBP and Floyd's team have publicly said he's done with 154 unless it's mega mega mega fight like Canelo or Cotto. So we can scratch Lara and GGG off the list.

If you really look at all the variables, Khan will be the most exciting fight by far. He will make Floyd uncomfortable for a few rounds. He's not fighting another iron chinned Mexican who refuses to fall.

Khan might actually get hurt and we can see Floyd on the attack. I think it's a fascinating fight. And I think people will be positively surprised by Khan's performance.

Al in all, Khan satisfies more stakeholders than Pacquiao does at this particular time. I think Danny Garcia is a fight down the line, if Danny changes his mind about taking it.


Well said Shadow, the Khan fight would be a lot more interesting than a Maidana bout. And if you want to go based on merit Khan did beat El Chino 4 years ago but you are only as good as your last fight. And yes Khan has the speed to bother Floyd and the chin to make him look good as well.

Carmine Cas says:

Quite the optimist, eh?

His next fight will do 1.5 million but not domestically. The are certain thresholds you don't pass unless certain things are in place. Those things are not in place with Maidana.

What I don't get is why people crap on Khan. Everyone loses against Floyd. Maidana will get molested in the same fashion Baldomir was. Hardly scintillating.

At least Khan will make it interesting because of the dynamics. Floyd doesn't knock a lot of people out. Khan's chin is iffy. Khan can match hand speed with Floyd. Khan, historically, has dominated slick fighters.

To deserve or not to deserve?
I don't understand the whole "deserve the fight" argument, either. Sure, he hasn't looked great in recent fights, although I thought he did well with Diaz and was implementing a lot of new Virgil Hunter stuff.

At the level Floyd fights at, you have satisfy A LOT OF stakeholders when you choose an opponent. Fans are only one stakeholder.

When Manny fought Mosley, he was coming off two years without a victory and a woeful performance vs. thee Latin Snake. Everyone crapped all over it. It was still Manny's best selling PPV to date.

Manny's match with Margarito was considered a joke too, yet it exceeded projections and was a smashing box office success.

#Stakeholders

The Big Boys
GGG and his team have publicly said he's not going anywhere till he unifies 160 (plus HBO has exclusive rights to air GGG while SHO has the same with Floyd so it's not happening. It's a contractual impossibility. And forget that whole split PPV theory; that's a last resort only reserved for a 50/50 split scenario, which this isn't and will never be.).

Furthermore, GBP and Floyd's team have publicly said he's done with 154 unless it's mega mega mega fight like Canelo or Cotto. So we can scratch Lara and GGG off the list.

If you really look at all the variables, Khan will be the most exciting fight by far. He will make Floyd uncomfortable for a few rounds. He's not fighting another iron chinned Mexican who refuses to fall.

Khan might actually get hurt and we can see Floyd on the attack. I think it's a fascinating fight. And I think people will be positively surprised by Khan's performance.

Al in all, Khan satisfies more stakeholders than Pacquiao does at this particular time. I think Danny Garcia is a fight down the line, if Danny changes his mind about taking it.


Well said Shadow, the Khan fight would be a lot more interesting than a Maidana bout. And if you want to go based on merit Khan did beat El Chino 4 years ago but you are only as good as your last fight. And yes Khan has the speed to bother Floyd and the chin to make him look good as well.

The Shadow says:

And yes Khan has the speed to bother Floyd and the chin to make him look good as well.


And that's the dualism that can't help but make this an interesting fight!

Floyd-Khan
Maidana-Broner
Lara-Smith
Micky Bey-Omar Fig (if that can be made)
(Badou Jack-James DeGale, if Bey match can't be made)

That would be a decent card. You already know they're gonna put two of Floyd's scrubs in fights so we just have to live with that.

IF not that, they're gonna stack it with Mexicans in title fights.

I'd love to see Broner vs. Guerrero on that card, too.

That said, I have no idea nor any tips on what the undercard is going to look like. I'm just throwing out what I'd like to see.

amayseng says:

Ok Shadow I understand the attributes Khan has that could give Floyd trouble ( speed, power, agility)

However, what has he done in the last two years to make anyone think he can apply those against the

best boxer on the planet when he has had trouble with a journeyman of recent?


why would I buy this ppv to see THIS Khan vs floyd?

because two years ago he showed what he can do?

Carmine Cas says:

And that's the dualism that can't help but make this an interesting fight!

Floyd-Khan
Maidana-Broner
Lara-Smith
Micky Bey-Omar Fig (if that can be made)
(Badou Jack-James DeGale, if Bey match can't be made)

That would be a decent card. You already know they're gonna put two of Floyd's scrubs in fights so we just have to live with that.

IF not that, they're gonna stack it with Mexicans in title fights.

I'd love to see Broner vs. Guerrero on that card, too.

That said, I have no idea nor any tips on what the undercard is going to look like. I'm just throwing out what I'd like to see.


That would be a pretty good card. Personally I'd rather see the the Khan fight because of the speed factor and the work he's been doing with Hunter. TMT is truly comprised of scrubs, I hear Badou Jack isn't that bad though.

Where do you get your in depth info in regards to the promoters are doing behind the scenes and TV stats? Is it just a result of working in the industry?

SouthPawFlo says:

Floyd is notorious for choosing guys who just came off a "big win," (Ortiz, Guerrero, Canelo) and Khans last fight was a struggle against a journey man....

I think the Khan fight can be a big fight, just not right now, he needs a "showcase fight" to show the public how skilled he is, he dropped the ball not taking the D. Alexander fight in Dec...

The Shadow says:

Ok Shadow I understand the attributes Khan has that could give Floyd trouble ( speed, power, agility)

However, what has he done in the last two years to make anyone think he can apply those against the

best boxer on the planet when he has had trouble with a journeyman of recent?


why would I buy this ppv to see THIS Khan vs floyd?

because two years ago he showed what he can do?


That seems to be the doubt a lot of people have.

Personally, I think it's the intrigue of the unknown. We already know what's going to happen in Floyd-Maidana because we've seen him deal with that crude pressure before, easily.

But we don't know for sure what happens vs. Khan because he hasn't faced that in a while.

We can all agree that Broner is no Floyd. (I can point out at least three guys who do the shoulder roll defense better than Broner.) So I don't think it's fair to say that Maidana can pull that off vs. Floyd.

And keep in mind, the way Khan loses is not how Floyd wins.

Vs. Khan, I think it would be an exciting fight as long as it lasts. And Khan might just shock people.

Remember, he's been in training camp with Andre Ward for something like six months straight now, doing repetitious drill after repetitious drill.

I know you're one who believes in repetition and how you can improve from that. And Khan never trained in between fights before. Hunter is a huge believer in repetition. You have a 100 rule. He has something like a 10,000 rule LOL.

I think he's a little better equipped now. He'll still get smoked, though. LOL. But I for one would like to see Khan's delusional a** silenced.

He's talked about how he can beat Floyd for years.

We all know styles make fights. And as you've pointed out before, we saw how Floyd had to adapt to Judah's speed before eventually dominating him.

He also had to adapt to Mosley's speed the hard way -- which I actually think was better than Floyd's -- until Floyd got Shane's timing down.

I'd like to see how Floyd adapts to Khan. I think he does it very similarly to how Lamont Pederson beat him where Khan stays competitive throughout.

The Shadow says:

Floyd is notorious for choosing guys who just came off a "big win," (Ortiz, Guerrero, Canelo) and Khans last fight was a struggle against a journey man....

I think the Khan fight can be a big fight, just not right now, he needs a "showcase fight" to show the public how skilled he is, he dropped the ball not taking the D. Alexander fight in Dec...


SPL, there are too many corporate dollars involved. They're sooooo worried the guy will lose. They were supposed to have this fight in 2012 but he lost to Peterson.

Then he was going to unify with Garcia, because there was the built-in excuse of juice w/ Pederson, and go on to Floyd, but he got suckered into a firefight vs. Garcia because of Angel.

So they did not want to let him near Alexander with that on the horizon.

No matter what happens in a fight with Floyd, Khan doesn't lose value, he only appreciates. He's expected to get smoked. So once he does well, he'll be right back in that conversation he was in before.

amayseng says:

That seems to be the doubt a lot of people have.

Personally, I think it's the intrigue of the unknown. We already know what's going to happen in Floyd-Maidana because we've seen him deal with that crude pressure before, easily.

But we don't know for sure what happens vs. Khan because he hasn't faced that in a while.

We can all agree that Broner is no Floyd. (I can point out at least three guys who do the shoulder roll defense better than Broner.) So I don't think it's fair to say that Maidana can pull that off vs. Floyd.

And keep in mind, the way Khan loses is not how Floyd wins.

Vs. Khan, I think it would be an exciting fight as long as it lasts. And Khan might just shock people.

Remember, he's been in training camp with Andre Ward for something like six months straight now, doing repetitious drill after repetitious drill.

I know you're one who believes in repetition and how you can improve from that. And Khan never trained in between fights before. Hunter is a huge believer in repetition. You have a 100 rule. He has something like a 10,000 rule LOL.

I think he's a little better equipped now. He'll still get smoked, though. LOL. But I for one would like to see Khan's delusional a** silenced.

He's talked about how he can beat Floyd for years.

We all know styles make fights. And as you've pointed out before, we saw how Floyd had to adapt to Judah's speed before eventually dominating him.

He also had to adapt to Mosley's speed the hard way -- which I actually think was better than Floyd's -- until Floyd got Shane's timing down.

I'd like to see how Floyd adapts to Khan. I think he does it very similarly to how Lamont Pederson beat him where Khan stays competitive throughout.


I understand and concur.

I think Khan is faster than Floyd, but not quicker. Stringing punches together Khan is faster, off the gun Floyd is quicker.

I also agree about Madaina. Foot speed is what will give Floyd competition. Foot speed, foot agility and spacing. Khan's is better than Chino's, Pacs is superior to all others and thats why a Pac fight would be so competitive....Having said that, I agree a Khan fight may be a closer contest but I feel a Madaina fight would be a more exciting fight for at least the first 8 rounds until Madaina tires. You fatigue quicker from missing punches than you do landing or having them blocked. Floyd makes you miss and reach and fatigue.

I didnt realize Khan was in camp with Ward.

Broner not only does not utilize the shoulder roll properly but he has terrible footwork. Floyd can fight moving any direction, Broner cant punch while he is moving, and has trouble defending as well.

It's Floyd's money to lose. I just dont see Khan selling well with the public. Of course us die hard fans will watch but Chino beat the holy bejeezus out of AB and the public gets excited with that....(see ufc)


I want to see Floyd challenged, I want to see the best brought out in Floyd (cotto, corales, hatton)

I dont want to watch a glorified sparing session (ghost, canelo)

Floyd has little time left I want the best of what he can offer, not an easy payday

The Shadow says:

That would be a pretty good card. Personally I'd rather see the the Khan fight because of the speed factor and the work he's been doing with Hunter. TMT is truly comprised of scrubs, I hear Badou Jack isn't that bad though.

Where do you get your in depth info in regards to the promoters are doing behind the scenes and TV stats? Is it just a result of working in the industry?


LOL dude, you should go watch one of his fights! He's definitely benefiting from being in Floyd's corner. Doesn't impress me.

But kudos to him, he left his country to follow his dream so I applaud him for that. In spite of having fought for Gambia, he's essentially just a regular Swedish bloke like Grimm.

As for info, people talk. The boxing community is small. Fighters are not inaccessible and protected behind layers of advisors and sh*t. The landscape is not hard to scan, either. And a lot of the stuff is public knowledge, believe it or not.

Although I have to say this: when it comes to big-time PPV, there are only a handful of people in boxing that really, truly know what's going on, how it works and how much money comes in. It's like an esoteric community.

So I don't have first-hand knowledge of those figures.

Fighters talk a lot but a lot of times, no one is listening. I could tell you some JUICY ish about Roy Jones' Square Ring Promotions. But I haven't corroborated it so I don't speak of it.

I've also heard bullsh*t rumors from very solid sources, guys that you'd probably know, who suggest some outrageous things at times. Just like Radam pointed out.

I've even heard of something about Floyd too but I found it totally not credible, although it came from guys at HBO.

When you go to gyms, the fighters often spill their beans when they're fired up, adrenaline's pumping and so forth.

Prior to the Super Six, before Mikkel Kessler split from Mogens Palle, and was sitting on the sidelines, I knew what was going on despite not having any network of sources at the time yet. I simply visited his gym because I wanted to see if I could train there.

Kessler happened to be sparring. After his session, he was talking about every single issue he had with his promoter, what was going on behind the scenes, basically yelling out his frustration to whoever he was speaking to.

At the time I was a soccer writer but I definitely took notice.

So to answer your question -- sorry for the long-winded response -- it's sources on both sides of the pond, common sense, and public knowledge. Having been a media analyst/reporter and an MBA definitely help with understanding certain things and putting them in perspective.

I can give you a few examples when I get some time to put it together about some things that were happening, people flexing muscles and how they use the media to execute their plans.

The Shadow says:


I want to see Floyd challenged, I want to see the best brought out in Floyd (cotto, corales, hatton)

I dont want to watch a glorified sparing session (ghost, canelo)

Floyd has little time left I want the best of what he can offer, not an easy payday


Yeah, me too. Ghost and Canelo were worthless. They're not going to bring Floyd out of his shell, literally or figuratively.

Maybe those things that you point out could get him to fight a little harder. With those flashy combinations, Khan might just hit Mayweather flush in the mouth a few times and embarrass him. And we both know how Floyd gets when he gets hurt...

And that's where we could have a fight!

I'd like to see him really challenged too, but I just don't see what guy out there in the pool of available guys who can give him that. I think a drained Ward at 160 would be the best bet, which I've thought since he beat Green, but I doubt that happens.

He's on a collision course with GGG, anyway.

And spot on with Broner...

amayseng says:

Yeah, me too. Ghost and Canelo were worthless. They're not going to bring Floyd out of his shell, literally or figuratively.

Maybe those things that you point out could get him to fight a little harder. With those flashy combinations, Khan might just hit Mayweather flush in the mouth a few times and embarrass him. And we both know how Floyd gets when he gets hurt...

And that's where we could have a fight!

I'd like to see him really challenged too, but I just don't see what guy out there in the pool of available guys who can give him that. I think a drained Ward at 160 would be the best bet, which I've thought since he beat Green, but I doubt that happens.

He's on a collision course with GGG, anyway.

And spot on with Broner...


Ward cant come down to 160 that is too much to lose he is too big...

Garcia at 147 would be the second best fight behind Pac at 47, or Lara at 54, which wont sell and is understandable not to make.

The Shadow says:

Ward cant come down to 160 that is too much to lose he is too big...

Garcia at 147 would be the second best fight behind Pac at 47, or Lara at 54, which wont sell and is understandable not to make.


Agree on all points. Although Ward says he can but he'd be useless. I'm intrigued by Danny Garcia as well.

Carmine Cas says:

And that's the dualism that can't help but make this an interesting fight!

Floyd-Khan
Maidana-Broner
Lara-Smith
Micky Bey-Omar Fig (if that can be made)
(Badou Jack-James DeGale, if Bey match can't be made)

That would be a decent card. You already know they're gonna put two of Floyd's scrubs in fights so we just have to live with that.

IF not that, they're gonna stack it with Mexicans in title fights.

I'd love to see Broner vs. Guerrero on that card, too.

That said, I have no idea nor any tips on what the undercard is going to look like. I'm just throwing out what I'd like to see.


That would be a pretty good card. Personally I'd rather see the the Khan fight because of the speed factor and the work he's been doing with Hunter. TMT is truly comprised of scrubs, I hear Badou Jack isn't that bad though.

Where do you get your in depth info in regards to the promoters are doing behind the scenes and TV stats? Is it just a result of working in the industry?

TotoyBato says:

Floyd can fight them both on the same night.

Radam G says:

And beat 'em both. Holla!

Carmine Cas says:

Yeah I've gotten little tid bits in the gym but I am going to start involved a little in journalism and promoting so I hope to meet more of the top fighters.

Thanks Shadow!

Carmine Cas says:

Yeah I've gotten little tid bits in the gym but I am going to start involved a little in journalism and promoting so I hope to meet more of the top fighters.

Thanks Shadow!

The Shadow says:

Yeah I've gotten little tid bits in the gym but I am going to start involved a little in journalism and promoting so I hope to meet more of the top fighters.

Thanks Shadow!


Here's an example of public knowledge you might like. Reading it, you'll start to see what's preventing A LOT of stuff that fans would like to see.

You'll also understand why certain folks hold grudges and don't wish to do business with one another.

For those that don't know, here are a few interesting facts a lot of people don't know:

- there's a bout agreement for the match between Mayweather and Pacquiao -- and Mayweather signed!

(In the agreement, you can see that the blood testing issue was there all along. Everything was there; who walks in first, whose name goes first on billing, purse split, etc etc.)

- The lawyer who drafted this bout agreement? None other than Mr. SHO Sports himself, Stephen Espinoza.

- Espinoza, ironically, also happens to be the same guys who filed the lawsuit that separated The Golden Boy from "Robert Arum;" a lawsuit Arum called [URL="http://www.latinosportslegends.com/DeLaHoya_sues_Arum.htm">"despicable." (THE PLOT THICKENS!!)

- The Cold War has four-five significant milestones/dates that gradually escalated everything to the the hatred filled fever pitch of today: 2000, [URL="http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/boxing/2004-11-22-delayhoya-hopkins_x.htm">2004, 2006, 2009, 2012.

These events got things to the point of no return with promoters, networks, stars and managers, dividing US boxing in two. (These things are available for everyone as most of it is documented through public knowledge.)

These events have carried over to rival promoters who won't get no dates (meanwhile Mayweather Promotions gets ENTIRE CARDS on SHO), fighters affiliated with certain people get yanked from cards, and since 2011-12, the networks have become involved as well.

There are even cases of one promoter pitching a fight to a network with the network turning it down, only to accept the very same fight from another promoter.

One guy who really took a hit was Lou DiBella. I'm sure you can put two and two together on that one.

If not, I'm sure Kevin Rooney Jr. will be glad to give you some "background information," if you want to get into writing. You might even get the boss himself to tell you some stuff off the record.

Without being too specific, here's something to get an idea of power moves behind the scenes that are taking place. These events can be directly traced to conflicts from the aforementioned dates:

- http://www.boxingscene.com/dib-officially-off-cotto-trout-velez-place-ponce---59122

- [url]http://www.maxboxing.com/news/max-boxing-news/is-it-no-time-for-top-rank

- [url]http://www.boxingscene.com/schaefer-sees-long-pact-with-puerto-rico-best-boxing--74120

Once you start to see to see the picture, you will start to realize how little "fear" and "ducking" have to do with certain promotions not coming together.

Carmine Cas says:

I understand, but if they all work together don't they stand to make more money? Especially when they they have competing cards on the same night. If there was one one promoter for the sport with one governing body it would be much better overall for the sport and fans i.e. the UFC. Multiple promoters vs a central promoter, they both have their pros and cons I guess.

So promoters like SMS, DiBella Ent, Main Events (them not as much), are victims of the cold war crossfire?

Golden Boy is pretty impressive for such a young company to take half the market share from Top Rank.

At the end of the day they act like high school girls, acting catty and bikering ruining boxing for the fans. And the networks are guilty as well, so even a hypothetical singular promotional would face difficulty. Unless they had the networks bid for the fight card....

It seems like GB is more willing to make the fights than TR

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=Carmine Cas;43500]I understand, but if they all work together don't they stand to make more money? Especially when they they have competing cards on the same night. If there was one one promoter for the sport with one governing body it would be much better overall for the sport and fans i.e. the UFC. Multiple promoters vs a central promoter, they both have their pros and cons I guess.

So promoters like SMS, DiBella Ent, Main Events (them not as much), are victims of the cold war crossfire?[/QUOTE]

Main Events are straight, they work with HBO and NBC.

SMS f'd with Haymon. You don't do that.

DiBella is guilty by association for trying to mess up their Canelo PPV.

If the promoter can put on compelling fights with just his guys, there's no way he's losing.

And GBP is an EXTREMELY impressive company, having accomplished what they have in such a short time. Don't sleep on Swizz Bankz. Dude is bad.

Carmine Cas says:

[QUOTE=The Shadow;43502]Main Events are straight, they work with HBO and NBC.

SMS f'd with Haymon. You don't do that.

DiBella is guilty by association for trying to mess up their Canelo PPV.

[B]Co-promoting[/B]
No, working with other guys isn't a great deal if you can avoid it. If the promoter can put on compelling fights with just his guys, there's no way he's losing.

Remember the stretch of fights over a few months where Top Rank was trying to ice GBP's top guns: Pavlik-Hopkins that was supposed to be B-Hop's professional burial, Pacquiao-De La Hoya (which went according to plan), and Margarito-Mosley.

Ended Pavlik and Margarito. They managed to squeeze a few more paydays out of Margarito but Pavlik was done.

Top Rank thought they had those fights won. So it's risky business. Better to take that risk with your own guys.

Top Rank wasn't getting no options on Floyd, I'll tell you that.

And GBP is an EXTREMELY impressive company, having accomplished what they have in such a short time. Don't sleep on Swizz Bankz. Dude is bad.[/QUOTE]

Yeah that is very true, big Al is the most powerful man in the sport and fiddy was disrespecting GB as well.

I totally forgot about those fights being split between the two promoters LOL. How'd they split the revenue with Oscar and Manny? (Big Money O just wanted his last big pay day, he was shot to shyt). And also with Pavlik-Hopkins, were they even splits?

And I know that each promoter stands to make more money in house as opposed putting up the money when they are splitting it with another promotional company.
But what I'm saying is collectively the fans stand to gain more and the sport will grow.

What I think they should do is follow the blue print of the Federal Reserve, as I'm sure you're aware of. A little more a than hundred years ago the worlds most powerful banksters, I mean bankers hehehe got together and formed the fed to eliminate competition within the industry caused mostly by smaller non nationalized banks.

GB TR ME DE should all do this and form one company, therefore eliminating competition and maximizing profit from the customers. But unlike the fed they use their own capital and do not screw over the people.

I propose this to benefit the sport and the fans, eliminate competition and animosity so we get the fights we want to see. And in the long run they make more.

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=Carmine Cas;43509]Yeah that is very true, big Al is the most powerful man in the sport and fiddy was disrespecting GB as well.

I totally forgot about those fights being split between the two promoters LOL. How'd they split the revenue with Oscar and Manny? (Big Money O just wanted his last big pay day, he was shot to shyt). And also with Pavlik-Hopkins, were they even splits?

And I know that each promoter stands to make more money in house as opposed putting up the money when they are splitting it with another promotional company.
But what I'm saying is collectively the fans stand to gain more and the sport will grow.

What I think they should do is follow the blue print of the Federal Reserve, as I'm sure you're aware of. A little more a than hundred years ago the worlds most powerful banksters, I mean bankers hehehe got together and formed the fed to eliminate competition within the industry caused mostly by smaller non nationalized banks.

GB TR ME DE should all do this and form one company, therefore eliminating competition and maximizing profit from the customers. But unlike the fed they use their own capital and do not screw over the people.

I propose this to benefit the sport and the fans, eliminate competition and animosity so we get the fights we want to see. And in the long run they make more.[/QUOTE]

Read that first link I posted very closely, that document.

Not sure what the split was for those fights. Ironically, Oscar-Manny had an identical purse guarantee split to that of Manny-Bradley, $20m for Oscar, $6m for Manny.

It's a wonderful idea and a great concept -- especially from a fan's perspective. Unfortunately, promoters aren't fans. So I don't think that model would work in boxing.

For one, promoters don't give a fock about the "sport." Two, they are in the business of making money.

Oscar may care and Floyd may care because they were actually fighters. But as you know, they're not doing any promoting. They have businessmen doing it for them. Who don't give a rats a**.

Also, if you unionize in that fashion, you become subject to regulation. They're not going to let that happen. That Wild, Wild West atmosphere works for the crooks.

I think the WWE/UFC model of becoming the recognized market leader is the best bet towards a united league. I think the most likely way that scenario unfolds is if we see one company running the majority of the big events with fighters flocking towards them.

With Arum nearing his mid-eighties, while Schaefer, B-Hop and Oscar are between 40 and 50, I think we could see them forming the basis of a league like that. Which I know for a fact that they want to do.

Will that happen? Only time will tell.

Carmine Cas says:

[QUOTE=The Shadow;43511]Read that first link I posted very closely, that document.

Not sure what the split was for those fights. Ironically, Oscar-Manny had an identical purse guarantee split to that of Manny-Bradley, $20m for Oscar, $6m for Manny.

It's a wonderful idea and a great concept -- especially from a fan's perspective. Unfortunately, promoters aren't fans. So I don't think that model would work in boxing.

For one, promoters don't give a fock about the "sport." Two, they are in the business of making money.

Oscar may care and Floyd may care because they were actually fighters. But as you know, they're not doing any promoting. They have businessmen doing it for them. Who don't give a rats a**.

Also, if you unionize in that fashion, you become subject to regulation. They're not going to let that happen. That Wild, Wild West atmosphere works for the crooks.

I think the WWE/UFC model of becoming the recognized market leader is the best bet towards a united league. I think the most likely way that scenario unfolds is if we see one company running the majority of the big events with fighters flocking towards them.

With Arum nearing his mid-eighties, while Schaefer, B-Hop and Oscar are between 40 and 50, I think we could see them forming the basis of a league like that. Which I know for a fact that they want to do.

Will that happen? Only time will tell.[/QUOTE]

The UFC/WWE model is what I was alluding towards, the one big promoter in the sport that every fighter seeks to be a part of. I know the promoters' number one goal is to make money, but their goals are more instant gratification. If they were to unite and form a "league" they command a much larger part of the market share, and in the long run make more money. The brand would be better known to casual fans around the world

With Arum getting old it could happen, and hopefully it will.

The Oscar-Pac split is pretty funny

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=Carmine Cas;43539]The UFC/WWE model is what I was alluding towards, the one big promoter in the sport that every fighter seeks to be a part of. I know the promoters' number one goal is to make money, but their goals are more instant gratification. If they were to unite and form a "league" they command a much larger part of the market share, and in the long run make more money. The brand would be better known to casual fans around the world

With Arum getting old it could happen, and hopefully it will.

The Oscar-Pac split is pretty funny[/QUOTE]

Did some research. The other two were 50-50 until Margarito started acting like a spoiled b*tch so HBO had to give him a little extra money on the side because he felt he was the bigger draw and the champion.

Which I guess in some way was fair enough but he allegedly started with the crap after everyone thought they had a deal. Good for him he got spanked.

As for market share, they already dominate it. GBP and TR already sit atop roughly 80% of the market, overall, if not more. There are no outside threats.

In 2013, GBP/SHO had a 80-85% market share of the domestic PPV boxing industry, which is damn near monopolistic. Google, by comparison, has 90% of the search engine market.

So I don't know how much larger of a market share they can realistically have.

Granted, the big disparity was due to unlikely events -- Mayweather fighting twice with Pacquiao only fighting once, a record-breaking year, etc.

That said, in 2014, while that figure will drop, with the emergence of Saul Alvarez as a PPV star, we will likely see a similar trend in GBP/SHO PPV dominance.

You also have to look at how the dominance in those other fields came about.

Vince McMahon, WWE's CEO, bought out his competition by signing their biggest talents and watching them go out of business.

UFC has done a similar thing, capturing a share of the MMA market as high as 90%.

While the idea is great for fans, I just don't see an incentive for promoters to unite. I see even less incentive for fighters.

WWE and UFC both GROSSLY underpay their talents compared to boxing, which they can due to the nature of the one-league system.

So again, with the large market share GBP/TR currently have, they already have that in place. And promoters do work together. Formalizing it creates far more problems for the principals than it solves.

Carmine Cas says:

[QUOTE=The Shadow;43544]Did some research. The other two were 50-50 until Margarito started acting like a spoiled b*tch so HBO had to give him a little extra money on the side because he felt he was the bigger draw and the champion.

Which I guess in some way was fair enough but he allegedly started with the crap after everyone thought they had a deal. Good for him he got spanked.

As for market share, they already dominate it. GBP and TR already sit atop roughly 80% of the market, overall, if not more. There are no outside threats.

In 2013, GBP/SHO had a 80-85% market share of the domestic PPV boxing industry, which is damn near monopolistic. Google, by comparison, has 90% of the search engine market.

So I don't know how much larger of a market share they can realistically have.

Granted, the big disparity was due to unlikely events -- Mayweather fighting twice with Pacquiao only fighting once, a record-breaking year, etc.

That said, in 2014, while that figure will drop, with the emergence of Saul Alvarez as a PPV star, we will likely see a similar trend in GBP/SHO PPV dominance.

You also have to look at how the dominance in those other fields came about.

Vince McMahon, WWE's CEO, bought out his competition by signing their biggest talents and watching them go out of business.

UFC has done a similar thing, capturing a share of the MMA market as high as 90%.

While the idea is great for fans, I just don't see an incentive for promoters to unite. I see even less incentive for fighters.

WWE and UFC both GROSSLY underpay their talents compared to boxing, which they can due to the nature of the one-league system.

So again, with the large market share GBP/TR currently have, they already have that in place. And promoters do work together. Formalizing it creates far more problems for the principals than it solves.[/QUOTE]

Yes, now the only problem is the cold war. Fights that were in high demand did not happen because of all this promotional beef.

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