DOES MANNY PACQUIAO STILL HAVE IT?

BY Blake Hochberger ON June 14, 2013
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Pacquiao Grand Arrival 121204 002aFor those who say Manny Pacquiao was washed up and that his stunning KO loss to Juan Manuel Marquez was simply evidence, I say BS. As I’ve said for years, Manny and JMM are boxing dance partners made sculpted by the boxing gods. Every time they fight (including if they fought a fifth time) will always be extremely close as they are tailor-made for one another’s styles. It will always be close, competitive, and fan-friendly. Manny (seen above, in Chris Farina-Top Rank photo) was actually looking great against JMM in their most recent slugfest, that is, until JMM landed a haymaker of a counter-punch. That isn’t to say it was lucky as he’s timed that right hand on Manny dozens of times over the years, but moreso that it was just a picture-perfect punch that landed on the money.

The loss may have derailed the potential superfight of Manny vs. Floyd Mayweather, Jr., but it doesn’t mean that Manny is done. In fact, assuming he isn’t too affected by the KO, I would still consider taking Manny over Floyd in a fight as I always have. That said, some fighters respond well after KO losses, and sometimes it’s all downhill from there.

When Manny takes on the ever-entertaining Brandon Rios in Macau this November, there will be multiple compelling story lines. Will Manny’s star in China be so bright that his days headlining fights in the US are over? Will Rios bounce back from two brutal slugfests against Mike Alvarado and emerge as one of the premier players in the most loaded division in boxing? But let’s be real, none of these questions carry much weight relative to the elephant in the room: Will Manny Pacquaio be the same fighter after being knocked out cold by his longtime nemesis?

When fighters get knocked out, there’s always questions as to how they will respond. There’s multiple elements to this response. I’ll leave the mental aspect uncovered as there’s no sense in trying to break down what goes on inside another man’s head. That said, boxers cannot have fear. If Manny suddenly becomes averse to exchanges due to the fear of being knocked out again, his patented style that carried him to the height of the sport would be compromised. He’d fail to get off, and as we’ve seen with many fighters, that’s the beginning of the end.

What we can dissect are the physical changes in Manny’s game. A matchup with Brandon Rios is a perfect one to see very quickly what Manny Pacquaio still has left in the tank. If Manny still has his elite talents (footwork, hand speed, punching power/accuracy), he should outclass Brandon Rios. Rios is no slouch. He’s a tough son-of-a-gun who comes forward, throws heavy hands, and seemingly sadistically enjoys taking punches as much as he does giving them out. Rios also presents a formidable challenge in that he will consistently push the pace, and he won’t back down. The reason he is a perfect test is that while he’s a champion-caliber opponent, his defense and hand speed are his two biggest weaknesses. Manny was blessed with the natural skills to pick apart a fighter like those deficiencies. Manny will need to work at a fast pace (which is a part of his style) in order to win this fight. Before the Marquez fight, boxing pundits would have roundly rejected this fight as a serious challenge. But now, with all the questions looming, it’s suddenly an interesting matchup.

Here’s what to look for to see if Manny still has what it takes to climb back up the ladder of the P4P ranks:

1) When Manny does get hit clean, what is his facial reaction? In the past, when you hit Manny, he got mad and ultimately even. If he looks frustrated or dejected, that would be a very bad sign.

2) When Manny takes Rios’ first big shot, do his legs hold up? One of the biggest questions about guys coming off KOs is if they’ll be easier to KO moving forward. Manny has always had a really strong chin and ability to take a punch. If one good shot rattles him, it’s another bad, potentially conclusive sign.

3) Who gets off first? Against Alvarado, Rios took tons of punishment when Alvarado was able to unleash combinations first. Manny is not a counterpuncher, and he’s better at everything Alvarado did well, so if he isn’t the one to get off first, that’s another bad sign.

4) Is Manny throwing combinations with bad intentions? Brandon Rios can be beat by throwing 3, 4, and 5 punch combinations as well as creating angles while he trudges forward. This is what Manny Pacquaio does better than anyone, so if he can’t do that, it’s all downhill from there. Manny doesn’t need to reinvent himself, he just needs to prove he can still be his old destructive force.

5) Is Manny connecting on more than 40% of his punches? While 40% is a pretty high mark, Manny is an incredibly accurate puncher and Brandon Rios’ head movement leaves A LOT to be desired.

6) Does Manny look noticeably faster than Brandon Rios? He better. Rios is not a fast fighter either laterally or with hand speed. Conversely, Manny possesses (er, possessed?) elite hand speed and even more elite foot speed. He should look especially explosive against a relatively stationary target in Brandon Rios. Manny typically darts in all different directions, but is always positioned in a way to throw shots with power. If he isn’t noticeably faster (and quicker) than Rios, his career at the top is all but over.

I don’t mean to discredit Brandon Rios as he’s a really solid fighter with great power, tenacity, and pace. He’s also one of the single most exciting fighters in the sport today. But Brandon Rios is no Manny Pacquaio. Before the brutal KO at the hands of his arch-rival Marquez, there wouldn’t be any question as to whether or not Manny would dominate Brandon Rios. Now, there’s nothing but questions. It’s up to Manny to provide the answers.

Comment on this article

Radam G says:

YUP! Da Manny still has it. He broke Hulkquez's nose, left-eye orbital, off-set the new-muscled one's eye vision and chumped down the one-punch Hulkquez from dancing for triple the amount of millions.

If Da Manny is finished, Bam Bam Rios will proved it. After all, Da Manny was giving Hulkquez a severe whuppin until lightning of the Hulkish Aztec warrior struck. Holla!

SouthPaul says:

Manny, just like Juanma, still has plenty of IT left.... which is why once again Robert Garcia will advise his fighter to come in over weight. The Oxnard weight bandits pulling out every advantage possible!

Radam G says:

C'mon, SouthPaul! All is fair in love and war. Now Bobby G suppose to tell his Lil' Bro to push to the folder. It is the sweet science, not fair science or U.S. Attorney General Holder. Hehehe! Holla!

leon30001 says:

I don't consider it that likely a fighter like Manny would be gun-shy even after a knockout defeat; so if his speed and volume remain, I'll look for him to do a number on Rios in an entertaining fight.

amayseng says:

He will beat the brakes off of Rios.


Rios will never be the same.

Carmine Cas says:

Solid article, this is easy work for pacquiao if he still is the same. Rios is limited and one dimensional fighter, albeit a tough fighter with good power. Perfect style for manny,if he still is the same which I hope he is. And I don't think pacquiao broke Marquez' nose, he did in their first fight though and Dinamita fought back like the warrior he is. Marquez has never been stopped, pacquiao has been 3x.

Carmine Cas says:

And after Floyd's slick mobile showing in his last outing, Pacquaio loses. Mobility and counterpunching is his kryptonite

Radam G says:

Info is easy to find. One just doesn't need to have some much inattention blindness. Da Manny clearly BROKE Hulkquez's nose and messed up the one-hit wonder's breathing in Bout I and IV. And the repeat-of-puberty Aztec warrior admitted to it. Even on Golpe y Golpe. Warriors deal with the truth about injuries.

And ask Morales how much kryptonite is "mobility" to Da Manny. Da Manny is mobile his darn self. Maybe somebody get kryptonite confused with A Thousand and One Bullsyet Nites.

Money May knows what time it is. And Da Manny is still on his agenda. Fam May ain't _____ _____! The master KNOW! The bullshyters B_ _ _! Hehehehe!Holla!

SouthPaul says:

Unforgivable propaganda until you provide copies of X-rays.

Raiders says:

Manny should beat Rios easy, that's why Koncz and Arum picked him. Manny is done being elite, he'll be 35 after his fight with Rios, swarmers don't fight into an old age successfully. People act like the wars don't catch up but they do.

Radam G says:

It is "unforgivable" truths that come with the territory. Noses, hands, jaws, eye orbitals and ribs are broke on the regular. Hey you supergreat TSS scribes! Help a P-playa out. Most readers in this Universe don't accept and believe syet dat I say until you guys write it, or Deepwater, the Roast, Real Talk, B-Sug or Kuya Fe'Roz post it. The game is so full of bullshyting, lies and clutter that those on the slow and don't know won't accept the true, straight-up righteous bread and butter. Holla!

Radam G says:

We will see Raider. Besides name all the wars that Da Manny has been in? You have the wrong fighter. People were wrong and said the same syet about Bobby Chacon, Roberto Duran, the late, greats Archie "The Old Mongoose" Moore, Jersey Joe Walcott and even Willie Pep and Willie Pastrano, Bob Foster and of course the came-back-from-the-boxing-dead Rev. "Big" Greorge Foreman and Doc Vitali K. And B-Hop.

Different strokes for different folks. "Old age" is subjective and in the mind of the beholder. Don't be surprised to see old-@$$ Money May and "is done being elite" Da Manny fight for 10,000 mints and a 100 tons of loot. Holla!

amayseng says:

Gatti was in wars.

Manny no.


Manny will seek and destroy Rios and it will be hellacious.

Raiders says:

Manny took more shots in his fights with JMM than Floyd took his whole career, people will say Floyd fights at 36 why can't Manny, Manny is an old 34, he let Margarito have his way with his body, Manny will regret his style one day.

SouthPaul says:

It is "unforgivable" truths that come with the territory. Noses, hands, jaws, eye orbitals and ribs are broke on the regular. Hey you supergreat TSS scribes! Help a P-playa out. Most readers in this Universe don't accept and believe syet dat I say until you guys write it, or Deepwater, the Roast, Real Talk, B-Sug or Kuya Fe'Roz post it. The game is so full of bullshyting, lies and clutter that those on the slow and don't know won't accept the true, straight-up righteous bread and butter. Holla!


southpaw needs no help. You know me, I try to keep comedy with a dash of seriousness, but tell you what..what you saw tonight was clear bullshit coming out of the Garcia camp. They got baby Mikey faking the scale funk. The bullshit smell is so overwhelming we all need gas masks. You can spin it all night tonight and many times tomorrow, Radam, it's okay .... I know it's the Donaire connection ......we all got our favorites ..... So it's forgivable favoritism on your part.

Radam G says:

Hehehehe! C'mon, SouthPaul! I'm just down with O-P-P! You know me. Holla!

SouthPaul says:

I know, that's why said what I said. I was studying yo' funny arse long before I became a member. Lmfao

Radam G says:

Keep reaching, Raiders! The pundits said that the late, great Archie Moore was an old 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, and then his "old" @$$ won the world light heavyweight at 39 year old, and held it until he was 49 years old.

And for Da Manny regreting his style, maybe so, maybe not. But a sweet-fighting defensive style didn't help GOAT Ali and Sugar Ray Robinson stop from being damaged "someday,"

Jake LaMotta -- with his banging style -- is kicking still at 92 years old. And the dude is sharp minded and still moving. So is the 77-year-old George Chavalo. And so is my 113-year-old Tio Mamoy.

Life is full of some types of regrets "someday." That is a bytch! Then you die. Regret not what got you by and by. Da Manny has done what most people won't even try. And being haters is their reply. OMFG! Holla!

ali says:

The only way Pac us getting it back is if he gets back to using PEDs lol

Radam G says:

SCLA Ali, QUIT! Yo' @ss is scare now. Money May got just 850thou PPV payouts his last dance, so with the red-headed hype, he has to take a chance. Da Manny-Rois China Show is going to smash all PPV records, and Da Manny is going to get back on track by putting down Bam Bam.

Your PEDw alibis for Da Manny's greatness is getting old. Grow UP! Be bold! As he got, Da Manny will still knock Money May, Hulkquez and your homeboy Big Foot/Cali Cranium Crusher COLD! And that is real. They all know da real. Holla!

Radam G says:

Good to see you post, Kuya Fe'Roz. It's a few moons and a lot of suns, a bit of rain and storms and global chaos. Holla!

ali says:

Radam and u saying Bradley and Marquez r on steroids is getting old. When was the last time u called Marquez by his name? Anytime u mention Bradley u talk about,his head and feet. Time for u to come with some different jokes cuz like Sunshine Anderson said ive heard it all before.

Radam G says:

Life is a bytch! Then you die! Don't cry! Do the crime, and you have to have to take the slime. Those roids and PEDs gave your homie Bradley big feet and a big dome. They gave Marquez a second puberty. As my icon GOAT Ali did, I too give nicknames for characteristics and behaviors and origins. You're SCLA Ali. Your homie is the Cali Cranium Crusher/Big Foot and your across the southern border boy is the Aztec Hulkquez warrior.

You be getting all uppity. I'm down with O-P-P! You know me. Call me what you will. I'm not Jack, and with Jill, I won't go up the hill. She is probably not on the pill. And I don't need a thrill. I'm going to just chill. My arse, my wifey will try to kill. And I want my blood not to spill. Holla!

dino da vinci says:

Poor fella might be insane.

Matthew says:

Pacquiao hasn't been in the same number of wars as Gatti, but he's been in some hard fights and absorbed some punishment over the last several years. He took many clean punches in the Cotto fight, admitted to being hurt against Margarito (and he let the "Tijuana Tornado" pound at his body), and of course, was brutally kayoed by Marquez in his last fight. Let's not forget that this man turned pro when he was 16, and there were times when he wasn't exactly taking care of his body between fights. In my estimation, Pacquiao first started showing signs of decline in the Margarito fight. His punch output is not the same as it was three or four years ago, and you can probably chalk that up to age. I think you can also question his desire at this point. Having accomplished so much, and with so many other things going on in his life, how much does he really want to keep doing this? Father Time is undefeated, as well all know. He should be able to treat Rios like a sparring partner, but if he struggles more answers will be questioned than questions answered.

Carmine Cas says:

Then why has Manny only looked against old straight foward dehydrated welterweights, and poor against mobile fighters. He is very mobile but when his opponent is slick and mobile themselves he becomes befuddled and he doesn't know how to attack. Marquez admitted on video his nose wasn't broken, he said that there was a deep cut. http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/boxing/2012/12/09/manny-pacquiao-juan-manuel-marquez-fourth-fight-mgm-grand/1756141/. Mayweather might be scared of pacquiao but so is uncle bob. Mayweather easily outboxes fanny pac. Your too blind by pride and ethnocentrism to realize your idol's farce

Radam G says:

I can ride with a bit of Matt's post. As we age, we all have a lost. For doing da d@mn thang, dat is da cost. And in da end, dead is da boss. Fakers, busters and vaporers oughta halt acting like this is just exculsive to Da Manny. Hulkquez, Money May and early-arriving Big Foot/Cali Cranium Crusher are all in that club of fading fighters.

A spade is a spade. Only a muthasucka with a bone to grind won't give a fair, proper grade. Dat never-done-syet bytch is always drinking his haterade. And the poor soul thinks that he has it made.

Like all, he is going to taste death, he too will take his last breath. Holla!

Radam G says:

Hulkquez's got plastic surgery on his nuzzle to halt continous leaking of snot and blood. And his nostril would swell so badly that he could not breath. Internet groupies cannot sell make-believe jive to those who are right in the real boxing hive. Even Sugar Shane suffered the same damage once. Money May was talking much jive about it.

Anyway, it is dumbsyet to be blind to reality. I guess that is internet. The cyberspace _____ _____ think that their mythological syet ride into reality of the real world. NEW FLASH: It doesn't!

When a boxer's career is finished. He is finished. Xenophobic bytches don't make the rules of physics and reality. They just have their illusions and hope syet to happen. They are lotto players who win a million a week in their distorted minds. Holla!

Radam G says:

Ethnocentricism is for caveman mentality, who cannot see two minute beyond the here and now, and has bytch behavior blindness on those outside the caveman's creepy, unkempt domicile of mass control of everybody's thinking. He constantly accuses everybodee and dey momma of being guilty of the very flaws of his expressions.

The culture of boxing is draining and straving down, dehydration and getting the edge syet. Da Manny didn't bring it. And he won't leave it behind. Wanting that MONEY the tricks-of-the-trade way started da syet. And it is prizefighting. An off-the-wall hater and hoper of disasters to those who he hates, can never see his outrageous dummy double standards. And it is no doubt because he is down with PRIDEFIGHTING!

WTF! Dat muthablind@ss see tricks of the trade from a high-yellow brown man of Asia as cheating and goes OCD about him.

Sugar Ray Leonard made fighters fight at the so-labeled "catchweight" limit publicly and privately -- known as back-room deal making. Money May is doing it and violated the agreement on one of them against a much smaller man. The late, great Homicide Hank Armstrong did it. WTDF! Tommy Burns even made "Unforgivable Blackness" Jack Johnson do it to get a shot at the heavyweight title of the world way, way, super back in da day. And tons of other fighters have done it. But it is okay, because they are not Asian. HUH! Only in the noggin of a hater with thinking-chemical problems, because he hasn't figured out that whup @$$ knows no ethnicity, origin or creed. And hoping and cheering don't control syet but the psyche of the fools, failures, flunkies and leading-off-the-cliffs fluters. And they end up as they started -- with NOTHING!

Somebody and dey sidekick and two of dey hos tell this card _____ ______ that he is beating a dead horse. Everybody and dey momma are on to him. Dude just get a hard on by trying to devalue Da Manny.

Keep twisted hope alive about Da Manny! Whatever helps you to get on with life. But your argumentative jivebull about Da Manny and boxing are like the U.S. dollar -- WEAK! But you keep trying to make it survive by waging war everywhere and giving the corrupted, body-parts eating opposition DAT Ole MIGHTY WEAK DOLLAR along with outdated weapons. Then you lose the war, but pulls out and declared victory. YUP! RIGHT! You are such a winner!

I can name five so-labeled mobile pugilist that Da Manny bum rushed. And da cowardly bytches' doggs went BUNK! But I guess the Big Foot/Cali Cranium Crusher and the Cali Sugarman are not mobile. Now you will call Sugar Shane OLD! I don't have a clue of what you will call big-dome Bradley.

It is all about bringing "@ss to get @ss." And that originated from the colorful heavyweight king Max Baer, and James "Lights Out" took it and rode with it. Holla!

gibola says:

Pacquaio's been fading since Cotto and he's nearly at the end. Brandon Rios may walk through a hail of leather and beat him, or he may not, but the end for Manny is near. A lot depends on who he's matched with, I think he can still beat all but the elite right now but at his age, with so many miles on the clock, he isn't going to get better. He's been a great fighter but it's almost over. I pick Pacquaio to bust Rios up, but I think Rios has a helluva chance to walk him down and KO him. I think it's an interesting, live, fight and I can't wait. Brandon Rios is no walk in the park for a guy who got KO'd in his last fight.

Carmine Cas says:

Yes but they haven't used these BS REHYDRATION STIPULATIONS at such a cheap cut off. I don't care if it was for money, you can't say your p4p when you're making old fighters come in not fully recovered Lmao dude everyone and their momma knows Mosley was old he hadn't looked good since Margacheato in 09, and that's only cuz he was pissed from the divorce and Margacheato was nervous from being exposed. Dude even Teddy Atlas and the pacquiao nutt hugger himself Skip Bayless admitted that PACQUIAO HASN'T FOUGHT ANYONE GREAT AT WELTERWEIGHT. The only two solid ww's were bradley and marquez and he lost. And I am by no means a mayweather nut hugger like you are to pacquil. I am very critical of Mayweather as well, he is a hypocrite for taking the catch weight which was OFFERED TO HIM, NOT WHAT HE PROPOSED. Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather are equally guilty of cherry picking, go talk to the bob father. As I have stated before Manny was great below welterweight, whose on his resume, De La Hoya, Hatton, Margacheato, Cotto, Mosley, Clottey. Sh*t even at lightweight he fought the slow moving David Diaz, instead of the unified champ Nate Campbell.

The bob father carefully cherry picked pacquiao's opponent to develop a cash cow, just like Floyd. How ironic! Marquez and Bradley exposed pacquiao further. Show me proof of Marquez nose broken from the last fight? I just posted a link, regardless, his nose was broken in the last fight and stormed back for the draw. Marquez is a true warrior, he came back and capitalized on manny's flaws. Your perspective is skewed because your pride blinds. For example you stated that both of pacquiao's previous knock out loses were way worse than his last one. Lmao get real dude you're delusional, everyone on this forum knows you're very biased. And I'm no cyber punk, would you like me to skype you? Write a letter? Sh*t I'm 3,000 miles away but I might be in Malibu, we can argue about it in person. And like I said before holla and Henry Armstrong, he didn't need any catchweights like your princess pacquiao and he unified the featherweight lightweight welterweight and almost middleweight simultaneously

amayseng says:

Manny beats Rios like a drum.

Rios will be hooked, chopped and straight shot out on his feet after a few knockdowns.


Manny will hand a beating for a few reasons.


1. Rios was making fun of Roaches disease.
2. Manny is a competitor and rios style will suit him.
3. Manny is embarrassed and sometimes u have to be humbled to get that fire back.


Rios will never be the same after this.

Radam G says:

First of all, Homicide Hank Armstrong never fought for any version of the middleweight title, except for the World California version. And at a catchweight of 152lbs against my late, great Uncle Ceferino Garcia. And when Armstrong fought for that, he wasn't holding three titles at one time and was going for "the holding of four" at one TIME! Beside the NYSAC belt that my tio had would not even recognize that 10-round bout. Mexico did, though. What a BIG-*** WORLD in 1940!

C'mon, cyberspace con man, you are outta your league. I'm for real. One-hundred percent BOXING LEGIT! AS the late, great "Unforgivable Blackness" Jack Johnson used to say to the corruputed, stereotyping, lying powers and con artists that be: "HERE I IS! Tell da TRUTH!"

You keep fudging coming after me because I'm PROUDLY a Pinoy. Not "A half child, half devil tar baby," that hateful invaders called the Filipinos until we KICKED their arses and made 'em pay rent to stay for the next 95 years.

Everybodee and dey momma can go to boxrec and READ 97 percent of the truth about Homicide Hank Armstrong. And watch him on Youtube and see Tio Celly [Ceferino Garcia] whup his arse TWICE -- a gift decision for Armstrong at welterweight and a gift draw for Armstrong at a "152-pounds catchweight" version at MIDDLEWEIGHT.

Catchweight is so REAL in the REAL history of hurt business that Boxrec was forced to quit noting the weights of boxers on its site.

I will always call a spade a spade, and give an unbias grade. I'm finish with this subject. Welcome yourself back to my ignore. You cannot help the way that you are anymore than the tar baby Bradley. Look up the word "tar baby," since you told me that it is racist. My Hoodologist begs to differ. He said that you are full of cyberspace bullsyet and are grandstanding with imaginary powers.

Anyway, it is time for me to split like an atom. I'm hitting da pit. It is five in the morning Leyte, Philippines's TIME. Holla!

Radam G says:

Wow! Nice short power nap that I had. I'm just waiting for a TSS scribe to prove me 100 percent correct that Homicide Hank didn't almost hold four titles at once. He gave up the featherweight title so that -- in his own words -- he "could (focus) on defending" the lightweight and welterweight titles. And he lost one of those titles to Lou Ambers (name made be misspelled) before he fought Tio Celly for the 10-round California version of the world middleweight title.

WTF! It is a lot haters up in cyberspace trying to run syet with their optical illusions and huffing-and-buffing bulljive. C'mon, TSS, write the skinny and phat on Homicide Hank. What I said about him, I will take to the bank. Outter my syet, I cannot seem to get this shady-changing-of-history-and-reality stank. Weave the truth about Homicide Hank! Holla!

Radam G says:

I think it would be great for the TSS scribes to spit copy on boxing myths versus the hardcore realities. For instance, in the little man-big man battles and wars, the little won 60+ percent of the time. Homicide Hank didn't almost hold four different weight titles at one time. Cassius Clay didn't get 3-5 minutes to recover after getting knocked down by Henry Cooper. Catchweights are a new thing, chiefly started by Da Manny. Alphabet-sanctioning organizations were not around in boxers 50 to 120 years ago. The Bolo punch is an invention by Cuban Kid Gavilan. Gaintheavyweights are new in da game. People having been calling boxing a dying Sports for 70 odd years.

Oh, YUP! Spit some sweet copy about boxing myths versus realities. Holla!

amayseng says:

Radam I wish I had your memory, just for everyday life.


Ima check out your uncle on YouTube in a bit.

Carmine Cas says:

[QUOTE=Radam G;32159]I think it would be great for the TSS scribes to spit copy on boxing myths versus the hardcore realities. For instance, in the little man-big man battles and wars, the little won 60+ percent of the time. Homicide Hank didn't almost hold four different weight titles at one time. Cassius Clay didn't get 3-5 minutes to recover after getting knocked down by Henry Cooper. Catchweights are a new thing, chiefly started by Da Manny. Alphabet-sanctioning organizations were not around in boxers 50 to 120 years ago. The Bolo punch is an invention by Cuban Kid Gavilan. Gaintheavyweights are new in da game. People having been calling boxing a dying Sports for 70 odd years.

Oh, YUP! Spit some sweet copy about boxing myths versus realities. Holla![/QUOTE]

Sorry Dam dumb wrong again, go look on boxing rec. Armstrong held the undisputed championships in featherweight, lightweight, and welterweight. Undisputed; he didn't have uncle bob cherry pick for him. And yes my point wasn't the catch weights by themselves. It was catch weights coupled with rehydration limits. For whatever amount of money is cheap and stupid on both fighters part, Idc if it's been a part of the game. And if were a pacquiao hater I'd be on the steroid band wagon. "Armstrong was the only boxer to hold world titles in three different weight divisions simultaneously, and all three titles were undisputed championships. After Armstrong turned the trick in 1938, no boxer was ever again allowed to be a champion in more than one weight division simultaneously."

Carmine Cas says:

He lost the lightweight title one year later, after he was the undisputed champ in 3 divisions. C'mon son get your facts straight looks like your out of money, doesn't the truth comes out funny?

Radam G says:

The whole Universe can clearly see who is the bytch phony. Stroll up! Dude bluffed that Homicide Hank almost held four title divisions at one time. Now he's claiming that he didn't. Read what he posted and what I posted for yourself. I don't think that he can magically make your eyes not see his posts and mine. And he definitely cannot corrupted your brains' comprehension.

The con man is busted. He is probably boys with Curtis Jackson and believes that Homicide Hank -- birth name Henry Jackson -- is his uncle. Hehehe! Dude tried to clown me. What a bunch of CRAP! He ought to forget it. It a RAP! I'm right! He's double fudge wrong! But he cannot MAN UP, and let it alone. Holla!

Radam G says:

[QUOTE=Carmine Cas;32166]He lost the lightweight title one year later, after he was the undisputed champ in 3 divisions. C'mon son get your facts straight looks like your out of money, doesn't the truth comes out funny?[/QUOTE]
Again! Homicide Hank never almost held four-division titles at one time. Stroll up, and see that you posted that propaganda. He gave up the featherweight belt immediately and indeed got kayoed by Lou Ambers for the lightweight one. With the one title -- welterweight -- that he had left, he tried to win the California version of the world middleweight title from my uncle to no avail. That was not going to sail. The truth has handcuffed you. And I got a lot of truths. Holla!

Radam G says:

Holla at this propaganda post. You are clearly off. Bradley got his arse beat, PERIOD! He exposed that he was a tar baby who would get a gift. And read your last sentence. Everybodeee and dey can clearly read that you have posted that Henry Armstrong "unified the featherweight, lightweight, welterweight and middleweight simultaneously."

No tricks! That is what you posted. But when Armstrong fought for the California version of the middleweight in a 10 round bout, he only had the welterweight crown, because he gave the featherweight belt and got kayoed for the lightweight one. I'm RIGHT and you are WRONG. Suck it up! Man up! And move on! Know before you blow. Holla!

Radam G says:

Micde[QUOTE=Carmine Cas;32150]Yes but they haven't used these BS REHYDRATION STIPULATIONS at such a cheap cut off. I don't care if it was for money, you can't say your p4p when you're making old fighters come in not fully recovered Lmao dude everyone and their momma knows Mosley was old he hadn't looked good since Margacheato in 09, and that's only cuz he was pissed from the divorce and Margacheato was nervous from being exposed. Dude even Teddy Atlas and the pacquiao nutt hugger himself Skip Bayless admitted that PACQUIAO HASN'T FOUGHT ANYONE GREAT AT WELTERWEIGHT. The only two solid ww's were bradley and marquez and he lost. And I am by no means a mayweather nut hugger like you are to pacquil. I am very critical of Mayweather as well, he is a hypocrite for taking the catch weight which was OFFERED TO HIM, NOT WHAT HE PROPOSED. Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather are equally guilty of cherry picking, go talk to the bob father. As I have stated before Manny was great below welterweight, whose on his resume, De La Hoya, Hatton, Margacheato, Cotto, Mosley, Clottey. Sh*t even at lightweight he fought the slow moving David Diaz, instead of the unified champ Nate Campbell.

The bob father carefully cherry picked pacquiao's opponent to develop a cash cow, just like Floyd. How ironic! Marquez and Bradley exposed pacquiao further. Show me proof of Marquez nose broken from the last fight? I just posted a link, regardless, his nose was broken in the last fight and stormed back for the draw. Marquez is a true warrior, he came back and capitalized on manny's flaws. Your perspective is skewed because your pride blinds. For example you stated that both of pacquiao's previous knock out loses were way worse than his last one. Lmao get real dude you're delusional, everyone on this forum knows you're very biased. And I'm no cyber punk, would you like me to skype you? Write a letter? Sh*t I'm 3,000 miles away but I might be in Malibu, we can argue about it in person. And like I said before holla and Henry Armstrong, he didn't need any catchweights like your princess pacquiao and he unified the featherweight lightweight welterweight and almost middleweight simultaneously[/QUOTE]

See how you clearly posted that Homicide Hank Armstrong held "the featherweight, lightweight, welterweight and almost middleweight SIMULTANEOUSLY." Again, no optical illusions from me. You are100 percent WRONG! When Armstrong fought for the Cali version of the world middleweight title, he still held only the welterweight crown. And that is a hard fact, that you cannot change or clown! Holla!

The Good Doctor says:

[QUOTE=amayseng;32151]Manny beats Rios like a drum.

Rios will be hooked, chopped and straight shot out on his feet after a few knockdowns.


Manny will hand a beating for a few reasons.


1. Rios was making fun of Roaches disease.
2. Manny is a competitor and rios style will suit him.
3. Manny is embarrassed and sometimes u have to be humbled to get that fire back.


Rios will never be the same after this.[/QUOTE]

Just talking about this with my boys yesterday. I believe you are spot on. I do hope that Garcia has the decency to stop the fight when Rios is beaten to a pulp unlike he did for Margarito. I am firm believer that Garcia probably cost Margarito 2-3 more fights with a couple of them being decent paydays.

Carmine Cas says:

[QUOTE=Radam G;32173]Again! Homicide Hank never almost held four-division titles at one time. Stroll up, and see that you posted that propaganda. He gave up the featherweight belt immediately and indeed got kayoed by Lou Ambers for the lightweight one. With the one title -- welterweight -- that he had left, he tried to win the California version of the world middleweight title from my uncle to no avail. That was not going to sail. The truth has handcuffed you. And I got a lot of truths. Holla![/QUOTE]


Lmao look at you trying to influence everyone else. Okay I'll admit I was wrong about him almost holding 4 titles simultaneously, he did give up the featherweight title and lost the lightweight. But you are wrong about his loss to Lou Ambers in their rematch he didn't get knocked out, it was a decision lost. He still was the first fighter to hold three championships simultaneously before giving up the featherweight a few days later Looks like you're not perfect either.

And pacquaio got exposed by bradley, his punch out was down, and a lot of those significant punches that were said to be landed; were slipped or blocked. The fact that you said that pacquaio's previous knockout losses were way worse than his last is an optical illusion.

Carmine Cas says:

[QUOTE=Radam G;32175]Holla at this propaganda post. You are clearly off. Bradley got his arse beat, PERIOD! He exposed that he was a tar baby who would get a gift. And read your last sentence. Everybodeee and dey can clearly read that you have posted that Henry Armstrong "unified the featherweight, lightweight, welterweight and almost middleweight simultaneously."

No tricks! That is what you posted. But when Armstrong fought for the California version of the middleweight in a 10 round bout, he only had the welterweight crown, because he gave the featherweight title up and got kayoed for the lightweight one. I'm RIGHT and you are WRONG. Suck it up! Man up! And move on! Know before you blow. Holla![/QUOTE]

Bradley made pacquaio look pedestrian, and once again Lou Ambers did not knock out Armstrong. Looks like I am right about this one, and you my son are wrong

Radam G says:

Don't blame the trainer. Tony Margarito was fine. Robert G did his job. He will do it against Da Manny and let Bam Bam fight and fight. Stopping fights are what Buddy McGirt does. If you want to watch "I'm-stopping-it" fights, holla at the fighters of Buddy McG, not those of Robert G.

Sorry! But fans don't run the show. Let the blood and snot flow. In this sport, you have guts. Later sissy butts. Hehehehe! Holla!

[My bad! I posted the above on the wrong thread.]

Radam G says:

C'mon, TGD! Trainer Robert G will do his job and let Bam Bam MAN UP and going out on his field. This is boxing, not the medical ward, and you don't ever YIELD. You good doctors are a bunch of wuzzies. The game is da hurt business -- called "da hurt bitnezz."

Tony Margarito was not a wuzz. The trainer is there to tell you how to serve whup arse. First! Stopping fighter are Buddy McGirt, not Rob G. Holla!

Carmine Cas says:

[QUOTE=Radam G;32200]C'mon, TGD! Trainer Robert G will do his job and let Bam Bam MAN UP and going out on his field. This is boxing, not the medical ward, and you don't ever YIELD. You good doctors are a bunch of wuzzies. The game is da hurt business -- called "da hurt bitnezz."

Tony Margarito was not a wuzz. The trainer is there to tell you how to serve whup arse. First! Stopping fighter are Buddy McGirt, not Rob G. Holla![/QUOTE]

Welp it looks like someone still needs man up but it's okay dam dam I'll let this one slide, just ignore my previous posts. And Tony Margarito was a scum bag, if anything he was a "wuzz" bring plaster into the ring with him

The Good Doctor says:

[QUOTE=Radam G;32200]C'mon, TGD! Trainer Robert G will do his job and let Bam Bam MAN UP and going out on his field. This is boxing, not the medical ward, and you don't ever YIELD. You good doctors are a bunch of wuzzies. The game is da hurt business -- called "da hurt bitnezz."

Tony Margarito was not a wuzz. The trainer is there to tell you how to serve whup arse. First! Stopping fighter are Buddy McGirt, not Rob G. Holla![/QUOTE]

I know it is called "The fight game" for a reason or better yet I heard someone say you play basketball, you play hockey, you play football, but you don't play boxing, you fight. However, to quote a term you often use, it is also PRIZE FIGHTING. Can''t fight for too many prizes if your eyes are destroyed. I know boxers are not suppose to yield but in the interest of a career you have to save some fighters from themselves.

Radam G says:

Wow, TGD! Many of a boxers fought while legally or half blind. Holla at the late, great "Smokin" Joe Frazier and the, late, great Sam Langfort. And even holla at 1972 Olympic Games' gold medalist Sugar Ray Seales.

You don't need eyes to fight. You can smell doze bytches. Great boxers are hunting dawgs. We will track an arse down and destroy it if the ref or corner doesn't halt thefight in due time.

Don't harp on that bullsyet about boxing not being a game. Some controlling bytch came up with that nonsense. He also said that checkers weren't a game. No one needs his semantics. Everybodee and dey momma in da game call it "da game." Those small d¡¢ks who get bent out of shape because boxing is called "Da fight game," are the ones who will tell you to never lead with the back hand or hook with it. And never throw a jab to the body. Double jive those pseudoexperts.

As Uncle Roger May will say, "Most people don't know syet 'bout boksin!'" Holla!

dino da vinci says:

[QUOTE=Raiders;32056]Manny should beat Rios easy, that's why Koncz and Arum picked him. Manny is done being elite, he'll be 35 after his fight with Rios, swarmers don't fight into an old age successfully. People act like the wars don't catch up but they do.[/QUOTE]

Very accurate. It [I]has been[/I] a great ride. Hopefully the boxing gods smile on him and grant him at least an additional small dose of success before the well-earned retirement party kicks in. I'm proud to say he was from our generation of monsters.

More than anything, as you age, even if you don't take much punishment in training, injuries are lurking around every corner. They're slower to heal, and even all by themselves create anxiety and disruption in even elite fighters.

amayseng says:

Manny was never a "swarmer".

He was/ is a seek and destroyer.

Sure he's slowed down just a bit which is natural.


So has Floyd who remains and accurate razor puncher just a little less busy and risky.


It's all about adapting with age.

Bhop has done it.

So did foreman when he made a comeback.

Floyd has made adjustments as well.

I think Manny will as well.

More control with his aggression, resting in spots and being more patient

helps conserve energy.


Rios will be beat like a piñata.

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