Guerrero Pounds Out Win Over Berto, Wants Mayweather Next

BY David A. Avila ON November 25, 2012
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GuerreroAydin Hogan38ONTARIO, CA-Behind a well-planned attack, Robert “The Ghost” Guerrero pounded the body and floored Andre Berto twice in winning by a wide unanimous decision on Saturday. Next up is Floyd Mayweather if further plans proceed as expected.

“Nobody at 147 pounds can hurt Robert “The Ghost” Guerrero. Nobody,” said Richard Schaefer, CEO for Golden Boy Promotions, which promoted the fight. “Whoever doesn’t have Guerrero in the top five pound for pound list has something wrong.”

Guerrero (31-1-1, 18 Kos) proved his capabilities early on as a welterweight; the beefed up former featherweight looked bigger, taller and stronger in defeating former welterweight world champion Berto (28-2, 22 Kos) before 4,865 fans at the Citizens Business Bank Arena.

The WBC interim titleholder took some shots but proved he was the stronger man against the determined Berto.

Knockdowns in the first two rounds by Guerrero may have startled the crowd and surprised Berto, but from there on the Florida fighter bore down and never quit trying to send the Northern California prizefighter into slumber land.

After a few slow minutes in round one Berto connected with a right hand and quickly Guerrero opened up with his own left cross. Berto’s blow seemed to anger Guerrero who then attacked and fired three successive lefts while Berto held on to his right arm. Down went Berto from the blows in staggering fashion as the crowd roared at the surprise knockdown. It was always assumed that Berto was the stronger puncher, not Guerrero, who began his career as a junior featherweight.

“I can punch,” said Guerrero. “And I can take a punch.”

Guerrero dropped Berto again in round two with left hands as the Floridian attempted to hold. A swelling quickly developed on the right eye of Berto. Guerrero pounded Berto on the ropes excessively and refused to allow Berto to regain momentum.

The fight stayed mainly inside with Berto intent on holding and hitting and Guerrero pounding the body. He never stopped pounding the body. The plan by Guerrero seemed clear that he planned to work Berto’s body. In rounds three through five he pounded away on the body with both lefts and rights every opportunity.

“My plan was to fight on the inside,” said Guerrero. “I love it on the inside. I love to fight.”

The fans could sense the glee in Guerrero’s attack and began to shout “Guer-re-ro! Guer-re-ro!”

Berto finally saw his rights connect in round six as he caught Guerrero with some sizzling uppercuts and right counters. Guerrero didn’t seem fazed by the blows but they scored and probably gave Berto his first round on the judge’s cards.

“He didn’t hurt me at all. He caught me with a few shots and punches hard, but I have a great chin,” said Guerrero.

A perfect left uppercut by Guerrero hurt Berto in round seven who seemed surprised by the big blows. Guerrero walloped him with some more combinations and it looked bad for Berto. But the Floridian fought back with a vengeance. Both of his eyes were swollen from the hits he absorbed.

Berto rallied in round nine with some vicious right uppercuts that found the mark on Guerrero’s chin and face. The Northern Californian’s right eye swelled from the shots but both of Berto’s eyes were swollen even worse. The crowd began to cheer “Guer-re-ro! Guer-re-ro!”

With two swollen eyes Berto still tried to match Guerrero who continued to pound the body. Berto tried valiantly to land that one good right hand that could change the fight but never could land the punch to turn the fight around in his favor.

In the final round both fought in their usual position along the ropes with Guerrero firing body shots like some kind of punching machine. Berto occasionally tried to flurry with some combinations but Guerrero would flurry with his own combinations. With 30 seconds left in the fight both began to fire killing blows with Guerrero getting the upper hand perhaps because he only had one eye closed instead of two like Berto. The bell rang but Guerrero continued to fire as the crowd roared and made it impossible to hear the final bell. Four blows connected solidly on Berto’s chin, then, referee Lou Moret stopped the action through the loud cheers. It was finally over.

“I told Andre I was going to beat him down. I had to keep my word,” said Guerrero. “I had to fight him in the inside and work the body. We were on the inside and I was pushing him on the inside to land my punches.”

All three judges scored it identically 116-110 for Guerrero who retains the WBC interim welterweight.

“I came back after 14 months and fought Robert Guerrero. At the end of the day he fought a great fight,” said Berto.

Is Floyd Mayweather next on the list for Guerrero who is recognized as one of the top fighters pound for pound?

Richard Schaefer, CEO for Golden Boy Promotions, said he will be working on making a Guerrero versus Mayweather fight.

“I don’t know how Floyd Mayweather can hurt Guerrero,” said Schaefer immediately after the fight. “Guerrero hurt a natural welterweight.”

Guerrero agrees that Mayweather cannot hurt him and feels he will dethrone the current pound for pound champion.

“I feel I can’t be beat. I’m unstoppable,” said Guerrero during the post fight conference. “I’m here, let’s do this Floyd.”

Other bouts

Florida’s Keith Thurman (19-0, 18 Kos) floored former world champion Carlos Quintana (29-4, 23 Kos) with a left hook to the liver in the first round. It was all downhill from there for Thurman who chased the Puerto Rican for three more rounds and finally ended the fight with a barrage of brutal blows. Quintana refused to quit and kept firing but seemed out on his feet. Finally, referee Jack Reiss jumped in to end the fight at 2:19 of round four.

“I give myself a B-plus,” said Thurman, who grabs the NABO junior middleweight title with the win. “He had heart.”

Quintana said that he is retiring after the loss, but credited Thurman for his talent.

“He’s a strong fighter. He has a good future ahead of him,” said Quintana of Thurman.

Coachella’s Randy “El Matador” Caballero (17-0, 9 Kos) pounded out a third round technical knockout victory at the end of round three against Mexico’s iron chinned Rigoberto Casillas (8-9-1, 6 Kos). Caballero was pounding out combinations throughout the first two rounds including a right uppercut that stunned Casillas. In the third round a seven-punch combination wobbled Casillas but he refused to go down. Both exchanged freely but it was Caballero doing much more damage. At the end of the round referee Jack Reiss brought in the ringside physician who conferred with Casilla’s corner and the fight was stopped for a technical knockout win by Caballero.

Houston’s undefeated Jermell Charlo (19-0, 10 Kos) beat Escondido’s Dashon “Flyboy” Johnson by unanimous decision after 10 rounds of a junior middleweight bout. Charlo was busier throughout the fight with his straight punches through Johnson’s high guard. Every so often Johnson would erupt with a barrage of punches but it wasn’t enough to win the rounds. The judges scored it 100-89, 99-90, 98-91 for Charlo. There were no knockdowns.

Former Olympian Dominic Breazeale (2-0, 2 Kos) started slowly against Tennessee’s Michael Bissett (1-1) who landed some good blows early, but that just seemed to wake up the bigger Breazeale. A four-punch combination sent Bissett down midway through the first round. Then another right cross connected to floor Bissett again. Round two saw Bissett look to kill or be killed instead of running. But Breazeale was too accurate and quick and floored the Tennessean twice in round two right rights. Referee David Denkin stopped the contest at 1:17 of round two.

Manny “Chato” Robles (3-0, 2 Kos), a sharp punching featherweight from Paramount, stunned Missael Martinez (0-7) of Los Angeles with a counter right in the opening round. Then a flurry of 30 blows ensued snapping Martinez’s head back and forcing referee Jack Reiss to stop the fight at 2:15 of round two.

Comment on this article

Bernie Campbell says:

I mell Joe Watson's Funk here!

ali says:

The ref was terrible but that ain't the reason why Berto lost. Props to the ghost but he has no chance against Mayweather.

Radam G says:

Crow for SRD and his boy SCLA Ali. Y'all KNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW! And, SRD, you really need to trash that bigger-man syet. Size doesn't matter. The smallest creatures dominates the larger one in all of nature. So "the nature bigger man" doesn't mean a hill of black-eyed peas to those in da know. The sweet science history has a bloody trail of small @$$es whuppin and dominating the BIG one for dat moolah.

The Cali Ghost will whup every big and/or steroid-filled arse to get to Money May and largely paid. Though out by Money May, the Cali Ghost's arse will likely get laid. Money May still ain't no joke. In Sin City, a Cali Ghost's @$$, he'll smoke. Holla!

Radam G says:

Agreed, SCLA Ali. The ref should be kicked to the curve and forced to retired from refereeing like the power that be did Joe Cortez. The old doc couldn't move around fast enough to see a lot of the dirty tricks of the Cali Ghost. But that is how a ghost suppose to roll. Berto's corner is at fault. They should've raised sand to the commissioner sitting at ringside letting syet pass him by.

It is just like anything. To get attention and justice, you have to bytch sing. After the bout is finished and done, it's often too late. But Team roids -- I mean Berto -- should file a protest. They just may get another date. Holla!

Carmine Cas says:

Guerrero is tough no doubt, he has the physical tools to beat mayweather but he'll have to utilize a different strategy. Mayweather loves it when opponents pressure him on the ropes. If Guerrero uses lateral movement, angles, and his left mayweather is going to have a big challenge. And Guerrero has a lot of stamina so he could get away with smothering mayweather probably. Idk we'd have to see. I think he beats pacquiao though

ali says:

Berto has a lot of talent and heart but he is one of the dumbest fighters I've ever seen. His chin gets better as the fight goes on but at the beginning he can't take a punch for sh$t. Also his trainer is straight up trash and needs to be replace ASAP!! Berto has zero defense and can only fight in spots. PS Radam you must be a lil man with a little man complex lol!! Its ok u lil guys get lucky sometimes.. But u did pick the ghost sounds like u made some bread off of the fight.

Radam G says:

Every hater thinks the latest hype can beat Da Manny. I guess that is just the stanky - I mean Yanky -- way. Da Manny will kayo the Cali Ghost in two rounds or less.

The Cali Ghost should go fight the Cali Cranium Crusher in an interstate bumfest. And see which one of them is the best. The winner then could call out Money May or Da Manny, and get dat hinny sliced and diced.

I believe that both Rios and Broner can beat TCG and the CCC in catchweights or at welterweight. Da double fudge the latest hyped-up syet. Berto has always been a B fighter on PEDs and roids. And TCG is a B-plus. No matter what he's been through. Holla!

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

Well, I just finished eating my crow sandwich. Guerrero suprised me with how strong and durable he is; he has quite a chin. He turned the boxing match into a "street fight" and Berto couldn't adjust. Why did Berto try to use the "Philly Shell" style of defense? The "Philly Shell" isn't a defense that you can just learn and implement at the last minute, it takes years to perfect it. Berto should have used the traditional orthodox high guard stance. Also, Berto's poor footwork hasn't improved, he didn't know how to weave or spin Guerrero, thus he allowed himself to be pinned on the ropes. Berto makes exciting fights, but is just about a "shot" fighter because of his defensive deficiencies. I don't Berto beating any of the elite welterweights, with the exception of Paulie Malinaggi.

Radam G says:

Quit it, SCLA Ali! Of course I made plenty of bread. "A little-man complex" is another myth to make big @sses like your feel good. Neither history nor reality support that big-man-is-superior-to-a-smaller-man syet.

I heard of keeping hope alive, but yo' big, ole @ss keep a joke alive. Choke yo'self, or even smoke yo'self! Haha! Holla!

amayseng says:

As I had repeatedly mentioned the ghost would whoop berto with no problem...

if only the ghost was NOT trying to prove a point and just fought at mid range he would have had berto out of there in 4 rounds. truth..

however, the ghost wanted to prove the POINT that HE was tough enough and strong enough to push a true ww around and man handle him.

this was the worst ref i have ever seen in my life what was he even doing in that ring?

the ghost DID earn a shot at floyd, but all of you haters need to realize that styles make fights and the ghost wont be fighting floyd the same way

as he fought berto.

the ghost not only applies his skills but also his IQ, as does floyd, although berto is far from a smart boxer...

Carmine Cas says:

Ah yes Radam, catchweights. The road to fame for pacquiao, dehydrating your opponents and implementing stipulations in the contract that limit rehydration on fight night causing his opponents to be stationery, weak, and slow. Beating dehydrated champions and former greats doesn't make you the king pin had welterweight! Catchweight coward pacquiao tried doing the same to marquez last time around and he looked befuddled. Pacquiao couldn't keep up his assault last fight against bradley and missed a lot of his punches, he had to steal rounds, he hasn't had a knockout in the last 3 years against an unconfident, badly coached, dehydrated cotto. I am no hater, I am just calling it as it is, pacquiao was a beast up until a couple years ago, he looked great against stationery opponents who gave him little lateral movement. His physicality and athleticism are what made him good, not boxing skills. At this stage mayweather would pick him apart, 3 years ago because of mayweather's stationery philly shell defense it would be a very tough fight. PACQUIAO iS A HYPE JOB AT WELTERWEIGHT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY NO ELSE SEES THAT. WHO DID HE BEAT AT WELTERWEIGHT THAT WASN'T PAST THEIR PRIME OR AT A CATCH WEIGHT? Ricky Hatton? Lol. Clottey who statyed in defensive shell? A Plaster less margacheato? And no Guerrero isn't the latest threat at welterweight, when he was supposed to fight mayweather a year or so ago a lot of writers and fighters were saying he would give mayweather trouble. And rumor has it that he hurt pacquiao when they sparred. Pacquiao is lucky to be #4 on espn's p4p rankings

Radam G says:

Berto had a lot of steroids and PEDs in his arse. Without that he is revealed like the former sprinter Ben Johnson. He got caught with the syet in him. Carl Lewis officially didn't. Sounds like nowadays boxing. Officially Money May is getting a pass. But dat syet, as Pops Joy May calls it, is all up in his son's money-braggin' @$$. Holla!

brownsugar says:

good assesment amaseng...went just like you called it.

amayseng says:

Thanks brownsugar i have officially called two fights correctly ha. Ward - froch and now ghost- berto.
I see the ghost similar to floyd in that he is highly skilled and smart in the ring. Of course floyd has better physical gifts but the ghost has an iron chin for sure.
Maybe if the ghost beats one more ranked WW he could have a shot at floyd.
I favor floyd in that fight but i would like to see robert get the shot and the payday.

amayseng says:

Actually i called the sergio- chavez fight as well and maybe a few others. Ha.

Radam G says:

Boxing is a business of fame. And has 14 official catchweights. Learn the game, ___ ___ __. The real Queensberry game of pugilism has eight legit weight divisions. As Uncle Roger May likes to croon: "Most people don't syet 'bout bosking." If those shoes fit, wear them. Danggit! Nice the Tea Party bytches are up in boksing's britches. Haha! Get a life, hater! What is the percentage of ____ _________ ______ ! Four more catchweights! Let's go! Fire UP!

It's all about the money! Ain't d@mn thang funny. You need it to live in this world of mike -- I mean milk and honey. No time for the phoney. Holla!

Radam G says:

The very nature of boxing -- except for those sorry-out heavyweights -- is signing contracts and draining, so dat moolah, you can be gaining. That is why fighters come down, for dat moolah, not to wolf pride syet and clown. Pride is for cojones-less ___ ___ who has never been in this ride. It is known as prizefighting, not pridebytching. This is why Sergio Martinez will lost his johnson and an arm to make the weight to fight Da Manny or Money May. And they beat da hebejeebeez outta him. But he will be paid phatty.

Those who don't have skills to pay their pays and talent to leap ant hills, are the ones in cyberspace bytch spitting about imaginary dumbsyet, such as catchweights. Look at it as catchmoney. Something you are apparently having hell and high water catching. The blindest and the dumbest are usually the proudest with the least means and money. Go eat you some ant honey. It has a calming effect. And will halt your mental wreck. Hahaha! I'm the have-been-pro-making-money one percent up in herre! And it's gettin' hot in herre! Holla!

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

Crow for SRD and his boy SCLA Ali. Y'all KNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW! And, SRD, you really need to trash that bigger-man syet. Size doesn't matter. The smallest creatures dominates the larger one in all of nature. So "the nature bigger man" doesn't mean a hill of black-eyed peas to those in da know. The sweet science history has a bloody trail of small @$$es whuppin and dominating the BIG one for dat moolah.

The Cali Ghost will whup every big and/or steroid-filled arse to get to Money May and largely paid. Though out by Money May, the Cali Ghost's arse will likely get laid. Money May still ain't no joke. In Sin City, a Cali Ghost's @$$, he'll smoke. Holla!


Radam G, you act like you are never wrong on your predictions. You predicted Chavez jr. to defeat Martinez, which was obviously wrong. As far as size is concerned, it can play a factor in sports. I come from school that a "good big man" will usually defeat a "good little man." However, there are exceptions to every rule. I got this prediction wrong, it happens. Berto's downfall was his poor choice to use the "Philly Shell" and his sloppy footwork.

Radam G says:

You must be wrong sometimes, just as everybody loves somebody sometimes. Sure I'm wrong about 15 percent of the time. I'm a darn 85 percenter. Don't hate. Just communicate. We can all relate. Nobody -- not even Jesus, Mary and God, The Father -- has a perfect slate. And that is not up for debate. But you know me! I'm down with O-P-P! Hehe! Holla!

ali says:

Radam G, you act like you are never wrong on your predictions. You predicted Chavez jr. to defeat Martinez, which was obviously wrong. As far as size is concerned, it can play a factor in sports. I come from school that a "good big man" will usually defeat a "good little man." However, there are exceptions to every rule. I got this prediction wrong, it happens. Berto's downfall was his poor choice to use the "Philly Shell" and his sloppy footwork.

He also said Victor Ortiz was going to whoop Floyd Mayweather LMAO! His footwork is unbelievably terrible and his attempt at the Philly shell was shameful. His trainer is teaching him absolutely nothing he needs to know to be elite real talk.

Radam G says:

BTW! Berto lost for the choice of not being wanting to be caught with roids in his arse again. I'm reminded of a situation in the amateurs. Maybe we will run into each other one of these days. And we can discuss a whole lot of my realities and actualities and your -- I mean other people's -- myths. Hehe! Holla!

Radam G says:

SCLA Ali, even SRD -- as everybody in this Universe -- know that you LIE a lot and/or struggle with comprehension. Don't even act like a Creshaw crackhead ho. How many times are going to forget syet and straight-up try to spread discord by having a darn fork tongue? Everybody and dey momma know dat you are talkin' outta yo' head like __ __ who wanna smbd. Haha! Cut out dat down-low jive and sippin' yo juice in da hood.

Anybody with even a peabrain can go to the TSSU archives of Radam G's more than 3,000 posts and see that you are fudging hallucinating and gettin' on bull$hitology to get a bone from one of the know-dey-syet posting BIG DAWGS! Bow wow! Hahaha! Are you hungry to fit in for a bit of TLC. Take yo' @ss to church! You need Jesus, Mohammed, Moses and Buddha. Hehehe! Holla?

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

He also said Victor Ortiz was going to whoop Floyd Mayweather LMAO! His footwork is unbelievably terrible and his attempt at the Philly shell was shameful. His trainer is teaching him absolutely nothing he needs to know to be elite real talk.


Yeah, he definitely needs a whole new team. My question is this; how much of his game can be refined at the age of 29? I think what you see is what you get with Berto. He is a "B" level fighter that will never be elite. Guerrero isn't elite either and will get exposed when he fights an elite welterweight.

bigstinkybug says:

Yeah, he definitely needs a whole new team. My question is this; how much of his game can be refined at the age of 29? I think what you see is what you get with Berto. He is a "B" level fighter that will never be elite. Guerrero isn't elite either and will get exposed when he fights an elite welterweight.


[COLOR="#FF0000">I agree..Berto had no plan. That shoulder roll stuff killed Berto... if Berto comes out throwing like he usually does, he wins this fight.

i disagree on Berto not being an A level fighter... same with Guererro... no flunky is gunna come in a beat these guys. That said, he can't beat May... May is a great fighter... May would litterally pick him appart.

Carmine Cas says:

Radam making fighters come to catch weights and not allowing them to fully rehydrate over night is cheap and cowardly. Yes it happens, but pacquiao has gained his fradulent fame from it. And you failed to address the fact that DLH and mosley were past their prime. Use all the fancy you lingo want but the fact of the matter is now that pacquiao does not have negotiating power cuz he is slowing down he can't demand fighters to fight at inconvenient weights. Freddie Roach says Mayweather is trying to control by implementing random drug testing, pacquiao and arum did the same thing with these bogus catchweights. He won't fight a dangerous fighter unless they come down in weight, and brandon rios as next possible opponent? The guy is a perfect stationery opponent for him. Yes when asked about fighting sergio, roach responded unenthusiastically we'll fight him at 147. Pssshhhh of course have sergio try to rehydrate with an iv overnight like oscar. Sergio said he's willing to fight him at 150. Hmmm he fought margacheato at 150 for the 154 title, why not sergio? Oh yeah that's right cuz sergio is a legitimate threat, he moves laterally, is fast, great left hand, and will prob knock out pacquiao. Margarito was a fraud without plaster but he appeared to be a tough opponent to the general public because he could still walk through punches, but in reality that's it because lost his punching power. Pacquiao turned down yuri foreman before he fought margacheato, who is 5'11, same height has margacheato. Pacquiao said "he's too tall" hmmmm or maybe he just is an above average fighter who has good foot work and movement, it would be a difficult task for me. Yes I know about fighters coming in down in weight for big pay days whether they are 100% or not they still fight to get paid. Beating washed out and drained fighters one after another doesnt make you the best, it just makes you rich but it'll bite you in the end. Like you said there are several divisions, either fight at the weight or move down. And yes you have been wrong about your predictions, most of them being roach fighters. You're the biased hater drinking the pacquiao and roach kool aid. At least mayweather fought and beat to game fighters in his last two fights without making them cut off their arms. Can't say the same about manny. You can write all the forums you want but clearly you're biased in favor of team roach

spit bucket says:

Max Kellerman is turning into Jim Grey in the post fight interviews... obnoxious and disrespectful to the loser. Berto fought hard and left it all in the ring, all while operating with only one eye from early on in the fight. But Max did have the quote of the night... "It isn't pretty... it's beautiful." Great fight, like watching something out of the forties. The Ghost is very good at punching hard without the big windup... they look like sparring punches until you see the opponent's legs buckle. Because of the unfortunate early eye probs for Berto, a rematch might be more competitive. Like Hatton, that ref should call it a day. Did Berto's corner say anything relevant or helpful during the fight? A bad cornerman is sometimes a greater danger to the fighter than his opponent.

ali says:

Another thing why doesn't Berto ever double up on his jab then throw the right hand. How about thowing a lead right hand and not falling in. How about changing the speed on your punches instead of throwing bombs all the time. How about throwing a check left hook while the ghost was coming in instead of just ducking all the time. I can't say it enough he needs a new trainer ASAP!! ShoulderRoll you might be right about him being who he is but he has to try something else cuz the sh$t he's doing right now is pathetic.

amayseng says:

Another thing why doesn't Berto ever double up on his jab then throw the right hand. How about thowing a lead right hand and not falling in. How about changing the speed on your punches instead of throwing bombs all the time. How about throwing a check left hook while the ghost was coming in instead of just ducking all the time. I can't say it enough he needs a new trainer ASAP!! ShoulderRoll you might be right about him being who he is but he has to try something else cuz the sh$t he's doing right now is pathetic.


i have asked those questions for years..

he is what he is,

which is disappointing....

speed and power do not equal coordination, instincts and reflexes, and IQ, which all berto is lacking in the ring....

SouthPaul says:

Taking nothing away from Guerrero but Berto's plan to impersonate Floyd Mayweather and Adrien Broner was a huge disaster that led into him being dropped and a bad eye injury. Instead of helping his defense it created more offense for Robert. Effffin' Berto was too focused on raising his shoulder high (and making a face that resembled a angry pug) and forgot to throw punches and protect himself. Lol, my boxing god, what a dumb *** plan! Whaaaadafuck, some of the stupidest crap I've seen in a while.

Radam G says:

Go away C Cas! The game is famously know as "The hurt business," as coined by Sugar Ray Robinson when he spoke to the U.S. Congress after he professionally done his job and killed Jimmy Doyle. Contracts are to make money. Cowardly and whatever are for the making-up-syet purist bytches. No honey, no money! Hurting @$$ and gettin' @$$ hurt is "hurt bitnezz for that special breed. Losing weight or blood, they would bleed.

Later for that weak syet. The late, great Hector "MACHO TIME" Camacho would workout and sit in the sauna for hours to lost weight according to the contract and fight, not bytch about some dumbsyet about cowardly this and that. Convince none-boksing bytches about your diatribe, because I'm straight-up legit. No cyberspace bullsyet. It is all about the play to get the pay.

I'm reminded of SuperBad Chad Dawson going down in weight to get the BIG pay. And don't say syet about him. I know why you harp on Da Manny. Later for the Ugly American and ___ _____! America, The Beautiful is now running syet, and the world has mad luv fo' dat fine mamajama. Later for the ___ ___ holdouts with thier interposition and nullification. Alternate reality is bunk! And cannot handle da FUNK! Holla!

ali says:

Taking nothing away from Guerrero but Berto's plan to impersonate Floyd Mayweather and Adrien Broner was a huge disaster that led into him being dropped and a bad eye injury. Instead of helping his defense it created more offense for Robert. Effffin' Berto was too focused on raisinG his shoulder high (and making a face that resembled a angry pug) and forgot to throw punches and protect himself. Lol, my boxing god, what a dumb *** plan! Whaaaadafuck, some of the stupidest crap I've seen in a while.

Hellva post your a thousand % right

Radam G says:

SouthPaul, holla at old footage on Youtube of Ken Norton again Ernie Shaver and Gerry Cooney. Berto looked more like Norton than a bootlegged shoulder-rolling genuis taught by Pops Joy May. Berto was doing a broke-@$$ version the Philly Shell/crab, no doubt. But he was stiff and jittery like Norton against the above that I mention. I've not seen any other fighter with the adroitness that Money May has in doing the PJM version of the Ps/c. Holla!

Carmine Cas says:

I didn't mention chad dawson because it was his choice to go down to 168 from the get go! Andre Ward didn't demand him to come down to 168, Dawson initially agreed to it. And if they fight at LH it'll be a similar outcome. Yes a lot of fighters work out, sit in the sauna, etc to make weight but guess what they are allowed to fully rehydrate to their normal weight whatever it is. Sometimes they put on 10-15 lbs over night having a size advantage, but that's the hurt business radam right? And it can be very difficult to make it but than you throw a catch weight on top of it, making your opponent come down more. And further it's bs when your opponent isn't allowed to fully rehydrate over night or they come down to a weight they haven't fought at in over 7 years. Making your opponent come down in weight is one thing but making them come down further and unable to fully rehydrate is bs. Yes radam contracts are made for money and in the process of writing them is negotiations, pacquiao's opponents were stupid to agreeing to those terms but I guarantee you if he fights Cotto again at 154 not 150, Cotto dominates. Oh btw I'm glad you brought up Ray Robinson, however you failed to mention that when he challenged Lamotta for the first time he gave up 13 lbs and when he challenged Joey Maxim for lh title he gave up 16 lbs! Catch weights weren't used back then, the best fought the best and no bs about making them come to a catch weight. Sh*t if sugar would have made maxim come to a catchweight maxim might have passed out before the ref did on that 103. Fighting the best at their best, regardless of weight; that is the hurt business. I single out pacquiao because he was ranked #1 and #2 recently for the last couple of years for beating compromised opposition. I'd a lot better job convincing people than you, my english is decent who knows what you are saying. And if I were a hater of pacquiao I'd be on the steroid bandwagon but I'm not. I just call how I see it. Go brush up on your history

Radam G says:

Catchweight has always been used. Tommy Burns -- the heavyweight champion of the world at 168lbs -- made Jack Johnson come in at a catchweight of 192lbs of below. Oh, YUP! Heavyweight used to fight at contract weights. HEY, TSS artmaster scribe Springs To, want you go deep and school these know nothing about the long-@$$ history of catchweights, including the fact that there are now 14 catchweight in the game nowadays. What da double fudge, there are more catchweight than the classic weights of legal mayhem.

This latest P-stalker is all up in my arse with imaginary jive and hate. Can P-playa get some luv. Holla!

ali says:

B-Sug where u at I want to know what u thought about the fight.

Carmine Cas says:

Now you're contradicting yourself with heavyweights, I thought they didn't use catch weights plus heavyweight and supermiddleweight is a huge difference in, put catch weights on top of catch weight is ridiculous. That fight was over 100 years ago when health of the fighter was last on the list and colored fighters rarely fought white fighters. Being the heavyweight champ at 168 is asking for a beating And Johnson literally chased Burns around the world to fight him. I've been reading articles on this forum for the last two years. I am not the latest I'm the greatest. Pacquiao is an overrated welterweight, he was a beast at the lower divisions, get your head out of your arse.

gibola says:

Can I request this ref for the next Wlad fight? If people are allowed to punch out of clinches with Wlad we would see a whole different fight. If anyone dares to punch Wlad once he grabs them they get a warning from the ref! This fight and Khan-Peterson show that if the ref decides not to break the clinches an aggressive mauling fight can upset the smoothest of boxers. If only Hatton-PBF had been ref'd this way!!

deepwater says:

Broner could not win against Guerrero . G already called him out to his face and Broner shut up.

Radam G says:

Wow! I got a really __ ____ _____ stalker/faker. What a bull$h!t talker/trouble maker. And he's wrong one mo' time! You know that he is far from a dime.

White fighters did indeed fight the black and even the red, yellow and Brown fighters 100 years ago plus. It was just not for the world heavyweight title until TB gave JJ that shot and lost. Canadian TB had cojones and gave "Unforgivable Blackness" that forbidden fruit -- Heavyweight Champion of the World. And in history -- to this day -- TB is paying for it by the powers that be not rating him as one of the true p4p greatest of all times.

Back in that era, Stanks -- I mean Yanks -- cared about the heavyweight division staying white, not the other seven divisions being that way. Because at flyweight, one of my ancestors was whuppin arses and taking names. Matter of fact, he beat the ancestor of nowadays of great ring announcer Mike Buffer's ancestor. Pinoy Time has been up in the hizouse for scores and a decade.

I don't know what your obsession is with jumping up in my grill, but I have a bad bit. And you won't get a thrill. BTW, "Forgivable Blackness" George Dixon was the first cat to rule two divisions at the same time and during the 1890s, so you are wrong again about whites not fighting "coloreds." Old GD whup many of arse -- white and black.

I'm certain that everybody has enjoyed me kicking your stalker-time @ss, but it is time for me to put you on ignore. Holla!

Carmine Cas says:

Radam hush if you want to use history for catch weights be consistent. I'm 90% correct of the time, it's better than 85% lol. I'm pretty certain that everyone on this forum is tired of you giving pacquiao cyber f*ll*tio

SouthPaul says:

Thanks Ali!


Radam

When I get some time I'll definitely be Youtube'ing Norton.

Radam G says:

OOPS! I musta' fo'got! Don't thought -- THINK! The only contradicting is that yo' @ss is outta of your league messin' with the one and only Radam G.

There was a time in every sports that a player would get fined for coming in "overweight" -- the signed contracted weight. In basketball, the powers that be would dig deep into Charles Barkley's pockets for dat syet. In football, they got rid of William "Refrigerator" Perry for not being able to hang below 290lbs. In boksing, in the heavyweight division, back in da day, comissions took money from Buster Mathis, David Bey, James "Bonecrusher" Smith and "Big" John Tate, to name a few, about come-in-weight issues.

Uncle Roger May is ditto to daang max about you: "Most people don't kno' sh*t 'bout boksin!'" And let me add: But dey fake dey @sses off in cyberspace, 'cause dey cam't (sic) hang wif da top dawgs' pace in a righteous place. Holla!

vjoe says:

About Norton, Ken's defense worked great as long as he was allowed to always move forward. Only three opponents could back him up and they made very short work of him.
Berto's stance against the Ghost didn't look natural. Hard to believe that his trainer would allow him to test this style in such a big fight, especially when it didn't appear that he was really comfortable with it.

Carmine Cas says:

Yes and in those sports the contracts were with their teams not their opponents who were going to war with them in the square jungle. Making weight in other sports to meet team standards is much different from boxing. The great SRR didn't use catch weights to jump up to middleweight and lightheavyweight. And say what you want about him not fighting murder's row but he is still one of the greatest, in addition a lot of white fighters avoided them. What I'm trying to say is pacquiao used catch weights and rehydration limitations to take advantage of his opponents in addition to beating over the hill fighters. He's an overrated get off his johnson. Preach about donaire. Uncle Roger also says pacquiao ain't sh*t

SouthPaul says:

Uncle Roger rarely says anything positive of anyone other than himself and his nephew. Total obnoxious asshole.

Carmine Cas says:

Seriously lol

ali says:

Carmine Cas is a beast Radam u got your hands full against this guy.

deepwater says:

pac cleaned out the mexican murderer row so he will always be rated high on that alone. guerero should fight broner next. guerrero already shut broner up, walked right up to him and called him out.broner looked away and didnt say much. styles make fights and if guerrero can rough up broner on the inside he can win easy.

Radam G says:

SCLA Ali, you oughta quit being a chameleon. Everybodeee and dey momma can see reality and actuality of your peabrain siding with every nutcase that rolls up in this Universe. It they are against Radam G and everything Asian and 75 percent of everything European, you are with 'em. Especially if they have the audacity to LIE, and think nobody knows or know how to check the Universe archives.

This latest nutcase's band wagon, that you have jumped on and morphed into, fits you to the T. He will not go the fudge away with know-nothing arse, and he believes that he is showing sumptin, sumptin, when his arse is moppin' up da floor. Kinda reminds me of what I do to yo' makin'-up-bullsyet arse. You muthafudgas are ___ __ __ ___! And kiss me where the sun doesn't shine and dat is my Pinoy _____! You knooooooow!

BTW! Since Steroid-PEDs-using Money May will probably bytch out again in steppin' up in dat squared jungle across from Da Manny, the Cali Ghost will get the shot in April. Watch what you wish for, as the Chinese maxim goes. You may get it. Another one will bite da dust after crybaby Marquez get da double fudge Mexecutioner KAYOED, FINALLY! Dat ho is worst than a thousand-and-one ugly-@ss Jasons. BTW, the Cali Ghost Guerrero's face will look similar to Berto's syet after Da Manny get finish muggin' and Mexecutioning dat Cali Ghost's arse.

One more thang [sic], SCLA Ali, you are dat d@mn "Ugly American," who hates anything not in your favor. Plus you are an Ebonican, urbanite Mitt Romney. You believe that everybody is with your dumbsyet, and then you are shock when you lose BIG TIME! And nobody like yo' arse.

"America, The Beautiful" has your number and will always reject your ___ ____ ____ ____ _____! Get use to the today's new-world order. And buy gold and silver like deepwater told. Da Yank dollar ain't worth a SCLA Ali's tiny ____ ____! Hehe! Holla!

Radam G says:

THAT IS IT! Holla!

Carmine Cas says:

He did deepwater give him credit for that, he was great below welterweight. But setting a record of winning titles in 8 straight divisions is bogus, he's not an elite welterweight or junior middleweight lmao. I think guerrero could maybe rough him on the inside but his best bet would to be fight him on the inside, use angles,feints, and most importantly that left. The left hand is kryptonite to an ortodox philly shell, whether it be a jab or straight. The philly shell leaves you partially exposed to the left because it's in the punch's trajectory path and same angle. You see Oscar and cotto tagging floyd with their jabs, unfortunately they got tired. But pressuring a fighter with great philly shell defense in a linear fashion with no angles plays right into their strategy ala demarco. I've witnessed it first hand sparring with my friend who employs the defense decently. The straight right rolls off his lead shoulder but when I double jab he can only turn his shoulders so many times before I get him, in addition I work a hook/uppercut off the jab. His right hand is on the right side of his face ready to throw it. He can't defend my left so much with it otherwise he loses his ability to counter cuz he would have to bring across to the left side of his face thus rendering it an ineffective punch. And in that stationery defense his head can only go down, where he meets my uppercut. This is why Mayweather didn't want to fight pacquiao 2-3 years ago, Mayweather is the superior boxer but pacquiao's multi-angle attack presented a huge problem to him. Now mayweather would have a field day with him Idk why he's still chicken. You can't simply pressure the philly shell with wide punches, the jab/left is the key....

deepwater says:

give pac credit for ruining margocheato and almost making cotto quit for good after he made hatton commit bogus suicide.. no weight issues there.demarco didnt do anything but stand there. he coulda tried to box on the inside or outside but did neither. watch the technique southpaw spadafora used on mayweather in sparring. yeah i know its just sparring and all that but look at the way mayweather was handled. guerrero beats broner and maybe mayweather if he can use the same style as he did juiced up berto.and radam is right, trade your worthless federal reservwe notes for real money= gold and silver.

Carmine Cas says:

Lol you talk about race, you seem to be the ethnocentric one only favoring pacqiuao and donaire. Lol as mayweather says "you ain't gon do sh*t" Pacquiao couldn't knock out the broken foot vegan soft punching Bambi of Bradley, how the hell do you expect him to knockout the ghost he takes heavy shots and boxes very well. Pacquiao is a one dimensional fighter; offense only and now that he's slowing down his legs won't serve as his primary source of defense anymore. Manny's mexecutioner days are over he couldn't even beat an older marquez. Holla at me dam dam or should I say dumb dumb lol

Carmine Cas says:

Yea except Cotto couldn't rehydrate over 150. A little curveball no? Margacheato was already powerless after he go exposed

deepwater says:

broken foot big head bradley didnt fight and ran . if he tried to fight he would of got clipped. if pac doesnt beat up marquez this time around then he might be done soon. if mayweather and pac fight and steve smoger is the ref then mayweather gets knockout. if mercante jr is the ref the fight will be a joke.

Carmine Cas says:

Yea except Cotto couldn't rehydrate over 150. A little curveball no? Margacheato was already powerless after he go exposed

deepwater says:

broken foot big head bradley didnt fight and ran . if he tried to fight he would of got clipped. if pac doesnt beat up marquez this time around then he might be done soon. if mayweather and pac fight and steve smoger is the ref then mayweather gets knockout. if mercante jr is the ref the fight will be a joke.

deepwater says:

rehydrate? I thought the catchweight was 150lb. weigh in then rehydrate and stick an iv in your arm. pedro diaz knows how do it.who exposed margocheato? mosley? mosley was mad because his x wife jin gave him divorce papers right b4 that bout. she even went for the belts. a cold women can make a boxer very angry. in pro boxing boxers/teams try and get advantages whether its size of ring,tightness of ropes,gloves oz and glove brand. catchweight is part of it.

Radam G says:

Tim Bradley has been waterlooed. The Sin City stanks used him, and has destroyed his career. Dude is messed up in his big, ole cranium, his muscle-bound torso and his big-arse feet. Nobody even want to fight his arse. Now he is "The most avoided boxer on da planet." Hehehe! I wonder why. [It ain't worth a hill of beans fighting a mirage victor.]

WOW! What type of victory did he get? A fudge-you, you-ain't-syet one! Everybody and dey momma are ignoring him. Only two or three of his Mexican relatives, a couple of Anglos, a hand full of Ebonicans and a band of haters with a big L attached to 'em are giving TB luv. Hahaha! They say that it is lonely at the top, and I guess so, especially when you have been used by hating dark forces still bucking for ____ ___ control and given a trumped-up, coded victory.

Anybody with a brain is laughing at bambi Big-foot's arse for even hallucinating that he really won and that Da Manny is really scared of him. YUP! Da Manny is like those Martians who are scared of that space rovers. Those scary-@ss Martians are cave-and-underground hiding like bats and groundhogs. RIGHT! Some people will believe anything or make it up and then starting believing. "Say it! And it comes about!" Huh! OMFG!

Da Manny is notorious for wrecking syet. WOW! He got himself a wreck yard of boxers. What a LONG LIST that crybaby Marquez will certainly join on December 8, 2012. Money May can get some in 2013, but it will likely be a Cali Ghost with the cojones. He is gonna get PAID and LAID -- Mexecutioner style! Holla!

Carmine Cas says:

The catch weight was 145, Cotto couldn't exceed 150 on fight night when he clearly walks around over 150. A logical stipulation but still protocol that a lot of fighters aren't used too, fighting not fully re-hydrated with a bad corner and low confidence is a recipe for disaster. Yeah the IV would def work, ask oscar, he'll tell you all about it. Nazim the "genie" as radam refers to him, exposed margacheato (nazim is a very good trainer). Margarito was tripping over himself when he fought mosley, he looked like an amateur. He was exposed and psyched out during the fight. After margacheato came back from suspension his power mysteriously lagged, looking average against poor competition before he fought pacquiao . Deepwater answer me this. Why would Margarito use plaster only against a seemingly faded 37 38 year old mosley and not against one of the top p4p miguel cotto in his previous fight or any of the more competitve opponents before him? And manny took his foot off the gas in the last half of the fight with bradley, roach will even vouch. Fighters who are technically sound and use lateral movement give pacquiao issues. Manny will get schooled come Dec 8 by Marquez like he always does

amayseng says:

@carmine

no how and no way can you take away shanes near decapitation of margacheato...

shane straight went crazy on his *** due to his wife serving him papers, not because margacheato got caught before the fight with some wraps..

half the time a fighter is made to rewrap in front of the opponents cornerman or the official, just for mind games...

secondly once margacheato got punched in the face all the pre wrap **** goes out the window, as u go into fight mode..

shane straight laid a beating, a fantastic beating, in fact my favorite ever live fight in the last ten years,....

cant take nothing away from it, no excuses...

pacman whooped bradley, you cant win a fight by running like a bitch for 12 rounds while taking a whoopin and only winning two rounds because the other fighter took them off...


the ghost would whoop broner in good fashion, broner is a physical beast, but he doesnt have the skills and tools along with iq that the ghost has...


also, pac will beat a Jacked up and roined out jmm next week...

im a fan of jmm, but lets be honest dude is on PEDS

no doubt about it..

at 38 near 39 you dont start adding more muscle fiber, testosterone levels arent adequate enough to do that.....

deepwater says:

I think margarito loaded his gloves many times.Mosley would have punished him if he had a knife. You can say manny took his foot of the gas but I can say Bradley stepped on the gas and made sure not to exchange.nothing is worse chasing around a guy that doesnt want to fight. Look how frustrated Duran got chasing Srl around and at least ray thru some punches and a couple bolos .

Carmine Cas says:

I'm not taking anything away from mosley but it def was a combination of Mosley's intensity coupled with Margarito's pyschological short comings. Margacheato deserved it. We'll see about pac-marquez, pac was supposed to beat him the last two fights decisively but we're having a fourth now. Arum and mayweather are both the same when it comes to cherry picking opponents

ali says:

Berto is no Mayweather not even close. If yall think the ghost will be able to rough up Mayweather on the inside yall crazy. Money wins easily it will be like 10-2 and I'm being nice.

SouthPaul says:

Agreed. He's the perfect opponent for MAyweather. Not overly risky..Floyd won't have to share much of the revenue nor will he have to share much of the spotlight cause in the big scheme of it all.. Not too many people outside the hardcore scene know who Guerrero is. He's got just enough of a name to make a nice little quick buck for the Money Team. Team. Perfect match to carry them over to the next mega showdown. They definitely love these kind of opponents.

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