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PREDICTION PAGE: Haye and Khan To Win

BY Lee Wylie ON July 14, 2012
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Don't be suprised if Haye stops Chisora early; his style is a perfect match for Chisora.

David Haye-Dereck Chisora:

From a strategical perspective, we already have an idea on how this fight will play out. Dereck Chisora, a swarmer, will be pressing the action,inside his " Joe Frazier-esque" cross arm defense, looking to close the distance so he can smother and throw his short, wider punches in close.On the other hand, David Haye, unlike Chisora, operates best on the back foot, moving away from his opponent, keeping the distance to allow for straighter, more precise power shots from the outside. In this regard, Haye's style is somewhat reminiscent of current middleweight champion Sergio Martinez -looking to lure his opponent into traps.As a result,we have an almost perfect stylistic contrast -think of Ali-Frazier in terms of what both fighters are trying to accomplish against the other.

I believe this fight comes down to two things: Can Dereck Chisora handle David Haye's power? And if he can, Can David Haye prevent a fight at close quarters?

There should be little to no doubt that Haye will be able to land his overhand right hand from the outside. Chisora may resemble Joe Frazier in terms of his characteristics, but he falls way short in matching Frazier's unbelievable head movement and underrated defense. Frazier was very tough to hit with clean blows as he bobbed and weaved his way inside. Chisora however,is pretty much a straight line attacker, whose main form of defense is his durable chin.If you take a look at his losing effort against Vitali Klitschko, you won't see much variation from Chisora in terms of head movement as Vitali was able to land with his right hand almost at will. Chisora though,was able to absorb Vitali's best shots and just kept coming.

So then, if Vitali Klitschko could not take Chisora out within the distance, then surely David Haye won't be able to neither? Not necessarily.

I believe Vitali's at his best when he's pressing the attack, walking his man down behind his jab and straight right hand. David Haye on the other hand is able to generate tremendous power as he's moving away from his opponent. Haye's best work comes when he's backing up.

As a general rule, I'd usually pick a swarmer over a boxer -thinking of how Ali was given hell by Frazier across three fights, how Alexis Arguello could not handle the relentless pressure of Aaron Pryor and more recently, how Ivan Calderon's high level boxing ability was not enough to out manoeuvre Giovani Segura.This is where David Haye is different from most boxers who fight off the back foot -he's a mover of a different sort. Like he'll probably admit himself,he's from the Roy Jones school of boxing. Haye won't be throwing the jab much.Instead, as Chisora's coming inside, Haye will be feinting and falling in with power shots. I believe Haye's ambush style is the perfect foil for ultra aggressive opponents, who have a tendency to leave themselves open as they are advancing.


Prediction:

The fact that this is a ten round fight does not bode well for Chisora, who will most likely be chasing the fight right from the off. Chisora must set a frenetic pace and not give an inch -Haye mustn't be given the space he requires to let his straighter, faster shots go. If Chisora can cut the ring off and keep Haye in front of him, then Haye's lack of in-fighting skills could be exposed for all to see.

Highly unlikely in my eyes.

I have a feeling that this fight could be over very early. Don't be fooled by Chisora's strong showing against Vitali. David Haye is actually more dangerous than Vitali at fighting off of the back foot. Haye's power,contrary to Vitali's,is not jeopardized when he's moving away from his opponent. Haye moves quicker on the back foot, than Chisora can on the front foot.I will concede that the edge in stamina goes to Chisora {Haye has had problems in the past, remember the Thompson fight?} but I don't think this will be an issue here. I fully expect Haye to have connected with something worthy of ending the fight by around the sixth round. Haye's right hand will be unavoidable for Chisora. Look out for the Haye uppercut, which could also be a huge factor especially as Chisora will likely be crouching low as he's trying to weave his way inside -remember how Frazier was decimated twice by Foreman's uppercut as he closed the distance? Ali's jab by contrast, was nowhere near as effective against Frazier -something to look out for.

Don't be too surprised if we see a blowout from Haye before the mid-way point.


Amir Khan-Danny Garcia:

It's just been announced that this bout will be for the lineal title at 140 pounds. Regardless, I don't view this as a fight between the two best fighters in the division. I think there's quite the gulf in talent between Amir Khan and Danny Garcia, and I think we will see it on Saturday night. Technically speaking, there's not much between them, you could even argue that Garcia is the more proficient fighter from a technical standpoint. Khan however, is the type of fighter who can trump good technical skills with superior athleticism and physical gifts. There aren't many better pure boxers than Paulie Malignaggi, yet he looked like a fish out of water trying to cope with Khan's unpredictable "in and out" style, length and angles.

I'm fully aware that there's a lot of Amir Khan skeptics out there, with most pointing the finger at Khan's lack of an inside game -and rightly so- as a gaping hole in his set up. While this may be true, I think it only becomes relevant against a particular type of opponent. Both Marcos Maidana and Lamont Peterson have a certain toughness and grit to them that most fighters can only dream of. You have to remember, in order for those fighters to get inside on Khan, they both had to take enormous risks as they walked through Khan's offense -both fighters were hurt and dropped early by Khan.

I find it fascinating how far the Garcia camp have gone in trying to antagonize Amir Khan. To me, this is a clear indication that they want Khan to stand and trade with Garcia, which is never going to happen. The deficit in footspeed is gargantuan, and in this, lies Garcia's biggest problem. During the early stages of his last outing, Garcia struggled with Morales' movement as Garcia is at his best when his opponents are stationary, where he can then fire off quick combinations. His left to the body and left to the head is a favourite of his in particular. Khan won't be anywhere near him for this to land I'm afraid. Khan's superior movement, along with his advantages in height and reach will keep the fight where HE wants it. It's not that I consider Garcia a bad fighter, nor Khan a great fighter. I just don't think that Garcia has the mental toughness or footspeed to be able to keep up with, and, exploit Khan's biggest weakness. There's a conflict in styles from where I'm looking in.

Prediction:

Amir Khan's superior hand speed and movement should be far too much for Garcia to contend with, whose own hand speed and footwork by contrast,is pedestrian.Khan will be circling to his left, away from Garcia's best weapon, his left hook, while darting in with rapid fire combinations. By turning his opponent, Khan will reduce Garcia into following him around the ring, trying to land something that could possibly turn the fight around. Garcia's best chance is clearly to get inside on Khan, where Amir's length would count for nothing.I don't think Garcia has the quickness nor grit to get there.I think this fight will be one-sided in Khan's favour. Khan will be controlling the action throughout, using his length, faster hands and quicker reflexes to get in and back out before Garcia has a chance to react. Garcia will be looking to entice Khan to stay within firing range but to no avail. I think it's clear what Khan needs to do to get the win here -keep Garcia on the end of the jab, don't allow Garcia to set himself, which means keep turning him, so that he's moving to his right and against the natural directional flow of his lead left hand.

Khan's superior mobility will be enough to secure a wide decision.

Comment on this article

MisterLee says:

Garcia by UD. Misterlee hands crow.

deepwater says:

Easy money . Haye by ko . Khan by ko

deepwater says:

Garcia knOcked out cold

ali says:

Haye by KO and Garcia by decision

dino da vinci says:

Earlier today I said to my wife: I was reading this article and wondering if I wrote it. I agreed with every last word. And I could of, for all I know, as I've been logging a lot of hours and I'm half delirious, half the time. BUT NOT SO DELIRIOUS THAT I BELIEVE THAT ALI'S JAB WAS INEFFECTIVE AGAINST JOE FRAZIER. Please trust me, those of you too young to remember Ali in his prime. He was really, really special. The complete package. He reigned supreme when the heavyweight division was at its deepest. He lost three and a half years of his prime (Those responsible better hope God is not a vengeful God and a huge fight fan) and who knows how long he would have remained undefeated had he been allowed to fight regularly. A handful of Ali's opponent's could have garnered titles had they fought in this era. As for challenges, if Muhammad was Floyd, Jr, he would have rented buses, planes and watercraft and invaded the Phillipines to badger Manny into fighting him. How the times have changed.

MisterLee says:

I guess I'm handing out crow. Baked this time around. Want some salt Radam? haha

miguel1 says:

Amir Khan shows once a gain his weak chin. This guy is a never was......

MisterLee says:

More than the chin, he's dumb, goes toe to toe when he's hurt, still can't move laterally and jab...

the Roast says:

Let me be first in line at MisterLee's Crow Cafe. I did NOT see that coming. I wouldn't call Khan dumb, he was hurt bad, he was on instinct after the first knockdown. Khan was just trying to hang on. The ref could have stopped it after the first knockdown, he gave Amir every chance. Stunning upset. Congrats to Danny Garcia. The ref cam was awesome.

MisterLee says:

He shoulda held more. Man, i dunno how Khan got KO'd despite all the biases agst Asians! Pow, bam, hmmph! As my uncle would say mo' pple donut shid boud bossing! The buffalo soldiers as I was sitting on GOAT Ali's lap! Holla back!

amayseng says:

that was a hell of a fight and amir seemed to be in control throwing good combinations and getting out of the away until garcia landed that hellacious left hook then battered him the following round with numerous hard hooks and rights.. amir did his best to fight out of it, hang on and run but garcia just kept landing thunderous shots. say what you will about khan but he has heart, he did his best to fight out of it and regain his bearings. khan may be done, ONLY because he was too arrogant to begin with talking before the fight about how he could beat floyd mayweather after garcia. now his belief in himself will be totally shot, he may never get it back. as far as floyd, i have been saying for the last two years that khan has mentioned him that floyd would knock amir out in under two rounds. floyd is too accurate and sharp and khan obviously doesn't have much of a grill.

mortcola says:

Well, not dumb, but in fact Khan has had to rely on sheer heart every time he's been hurt - he really doesn't evade punches nor take himself out of the sweet zone - earmuffs and brave attempts at returning fire is it. Poor clinching, poor lateral....

GANZ says:

Kahn was very good as an amateur but it seems he is unable to win the wars as a pro.

DaveB says:

Man, two action fights in one day. You are lucky to see that in six months. After all the disappointments with cancellations yesterday was good for boxing. Sometimes, oddly enough, it is not the best fighting the best but having fighters that make for competitive, dramatic fights compete against one another that makes excitement. If they happen to be the best against the best that is extra icing on the cake. I didn't expect Haye to knock out Chisora but I was thinking with Chisora coming in at 247 he wasn't in good shape. Haye was just too explosive and Chisora still throws amateurish punches and doesn't throw enough when he gets inside. Haye still has no chance against the Klitschko's because they are on a whole other level. Okay maybe a puncher's chance but he will run like a bandit when faced with better opposition. He can be the king of B level fighters.

Khan was taking Garcia to the proverbial wood shed when Garcia said no Pop I'm too big for this anymore. I almost fell off my chair laughing when I saw that first knockdown. I was thinking this one is not going to last long because Khan was really putting a bad beating on Garcia and then all of a sudden BOOM, Khan goes down. Much to Garcia's credit he didn't get crazy and punch himself out. He kept his composure and was laying some hellacious shots on Khan. Whether Khan could have kept going I don't know but I think it would have had the same outcome regardless. It seemed like Bayless was giving him a lot of extra time every time he made a count. Khan always seems like he can win a rematch but at some point in time it seems his chin always gets tested and it fails the test a lot. Breidis Prescott wasn't just a one time aberration we now know.

ali says:

Khan still fight like an amateur he needs to get rid of Freddie Roach and hire someone like Floyd Mayweather SR.

riverside says:

i was wrong never saw that coming, i thought the Breisis Prescot was a fluke as so boxer as Dlh, Margarito, even Pac got dropped early in their careers! Props to Garcia, very fundamental strategy,as Khan got somewhat careless in going for the quick KO.

brownsugar says:

I favored Khan but also said that Mr Lee would probably be serving crow once again.

Dispite what the announcers were saying, Garcia let his bombs fly every time Khan delivered a Salvo and Garcia was catching Khan with more counters than compu-box was giving credit for.

That wicked Garcia left hook (and right hand) lashed out again and again.... like a whip every time Khan threw and landed a punch. (the effective counterpunching reminded me of a patient JM Marquez).

When Poppy said, "go to work son".... thats all I needed to hear.

You could see the wheels turning in Garcia's head.

In my own head I foresaw Khan slowing down and the fight balancing itself out as a war of attrition in the later rounds due to the punishment both men were receiving.

I literally leaped out of my seat when Garcia put him down (something I didn't know these old bones could still do) followed by a fist pump.
Not because I wanted Khan to lose,

but because I was revelling in the ecstacy of finally seeing something truly unique happening in the ring (like DaveB said)... I love it when a fight doesn't follow the script......
(Golden boy matches their fighters tougher than ESPN sometimes...Canello not included)

Khan will be back. If he could get a trainer who could lobotimize his agressive tendancies (like Stewart did with WK) and just use his advantages of speed, mobility and power I could even see him defeating the slightly faded Floyd Mayweather.

The Kid is in need of a huge dose of discipline and should go back to taking advantage of winning a fight via a tactically boring strategy.... (like he did against Kotelnik)

(I couldn't believe how complacent Khan's corner was after the 1st knockdown.... no icewater in the trunks... no splash of cold water in the face... no Angelo Dundee slap to the jaw... no pep talk with 4 guys screaming simultaneously... no evasive strategy from Roach ......... "Run Khan,...Run!!!")

Bayliff should have stopped the fight after the first knock down,... Khan was shakier than a con-mans credit report.
I hope he didn't suffer any debilitating damage to his person or his confidence... because it was sheer intertainment watching him try to take advantage of the 2nd chance he was given.... and I'd like to see him again.

Serve me up MrLee, and make it piping Hot!!!!!!

MisterLee says:

Floyd sr is not a good trainer. a good brain yes. khan needs someone that can tailor his style lie robert garcia or pedro diaz. he will never be a boxer or a slick boxer. its just not his temperament... here's the crow! Baked and seasoned with sand, gravel, and roadkill blood...

MisterLee says:

Great post B-sug!

MisterLee says:

@GANZ - I guess fighting without headgears was the end of him...

MisterLee says:

Also, I don't think Garcia was getting beat up badly. He actually landed some thunderous body shots and after round 1 he was starting to adjust to Khan's right hand. By Round 3 he wasn't getting hit with as many right hands. Garcia can adjust, makes him a smart guy. HBO never called ANY of the bodyshots. Instead they did what one person in another site said: "Converse freely and not call the action of the fighter who wasn't the in-house fighter." Typical. I was afraid Kellerman was gonna grill Khan after the fight Juan Diaz style, but he almost did, but should have been more gracious towards Khan and support of him as a prizefighter, action fighter, and one with heart/grits. You gotta respect the loser in that fight. He fought his heart out.

Radam G says:

Never will I lower myself by responding to a ___ ____ _____ _____, who is nothing less than a surrogate for Asian hatred. And da joker doesn't syet about boxing and even less about courage or whup-a$$. He only knows how to get his arse whupped and then show it to the ____ _____ who will give him kudos for being their __ ____ ____.

Amir Khan, a fighter, the same as many fighters, such as Joe Louis, Lennox Lewis, Tommy Hearns, Terry Norris, Archie Moore, Juilian Jackson, Tony Zale, Floyd Patterson, Marvin Johnson, Dick Tiger, Roger Mayweather, Manny Pacquaio, Willie Pep, Larry Holmes, Muhammad "GOAT" Ali, Bobby Chacon and Bob Foster -- in no certain order -- got KTFO in the amateurs and/or pros and came back and won titles after titles.

Some cyberspace ___ ____ ___simpleton can only do what he does best -- TALK SH*T! And show that he cannot fight worth syet because he is a fatalistic TOM for a group of people who think that race give them superiority over all other athletes. It must be a Washington D.C. mudhole trap. Holla!

ali says:

MisterLee Robert Garcia the same guy who has Donaire throwing bombs the whole fight Khan would really get his *** KTFO. I do think Stewart would be good trainer for Khan though. I also had Garcia winning this fight too so u ain't the only one who seen this coming LOL. Now i want to see Zab vs Garcia or Marquez vs Garcia i hope he doesn't start fighting mid level fighters now that he's #1 at 140.

MisterLee says:

Hey man, he's the same trainer who trains mikey garcia. Yo Radam, I still respect you and what you write, but you're the one who's deluded and full of hatred. If you think my not supporting Khan makes me a racist, it actually makes you racist. I don't have to support any boxer based on his race or what skin color/relation he has to me. I like fighters based on style, temperament, personality, skills, courage, and ability. You go around and make predictions, and you brag and talk more trash than I ever will, but you can't handle a dose of your own medicine. Were you undefeated as a fighter? I don't care if I win or lose, I fight to fight and to improve, and I share my fights with the boxing community b/c i respect the community and you and what critiques they have to offer, and even more so, I'm TRANSPARENT. You hide behind a screen name and have false associates, and you're too dang scored to reveal your "great name" and your record and your fights. You're being overly sensitive, a sore loser, and frankly I don't even know why you post here if you're gonna get angry and riled up every time someone disagrees with you. Or you can't even take a little humor when I imitate your style! Haha. I guess some pple can talk the talk, but can't walk the walk. Radam, or whatever name you go by, I have no hate for you, but you dig yourself into a hole as far as being a respectable character. I have many fights left in my career, yours is done, and no one knows about it b/c you're too damn scared to post it. Boom. There. Take it or leave. Have a nice day! And btw- I got that fight right. Have some crow.

MisterLee says:

Btw- where's the don? He's someone that's good at keeping balance in the universe!

MisterLee says:

BTW- You ever fight someone 3 weight classes above you, or just spar? Two different things. I spar all the time!

brownsugar says:

If your fight predictions get anymore accurate Mister Lee I may have to start doing business with Vegas again....LOL.

I guess you Ali,... and few others are spared your horrible home cooking this time.

BTW I hope everyone is still around to see Ward defeat Dawson. Especially Ali.

the Roast says:

Hey man, he's the same trainer who trains mikey garcia. Yo Radam, I still respect you and what you write, but you're the one who's deluded and full of hatred. If you think my not supporting Khan makes me a racist, it actually makes you racist. I don't have to support any boxer based on his race or what skin color/relation he has to me. I like fighters based on style, temperament, personality, skills, courage, and ability. You go around and make predictions, and you brag and talk more trash than I ever will, but you can't handle a dose of your own medicine. Were you undefeated as a fighter? I don't care if I win or lose, I fight to fight and to improve, and I share my fights with the boxing community b/c i respect the community and you and what critiques they have to offer, and even more so, I'm TRANSPARENT. You hide behind a screen name and have false associates, and you're too dang scored to reveal your "great name" and your record and your fights. You're being overly sensitive, a sore loser, and frankly I don't even know why you post here if you're gonna get angry and riled up every time someone disagrees with you. Or you can't even take a little humor when I imitate your style! Haha. I guess some pple can talk the talk, but can't walk the walk. Radam, or whatever name you go by, I have no hate for you, but you dig yourself into a hole as far as being a respectable character. I have many fights left in my career, yours is done, and no one knows about it b/c you're too damn scared to post it. Boom. There. Take it or leave. Have a nice day! And btw- I got that fight right. Have some crow.


Nice post Caveman Lee, well said. I have gotten to know MisterLee over the years here on TSS and facebook and he is a quality dude. He walks it and he talks it. He is also about as far from racist as you can possibly get. Type on my brother. (fist bump)

ali says:

MisterLee your last post about Radam was 110% on point I hardly agree with u but i do think your fair so for that u got my respect.

ali says:

B-Sug your a TSS legend, a hall of famer im going nowhere win or lose if Dawson loses? I will give props to Ward and u for making a correct prediction. Its boxing anything can happen but my money is on Dawson.

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

I must admit, I predicted that Khan would win a UD, but was wrong like most of the population. My father would always tell me that having a chin (punch resistance) is a gift that one is blessed with; similar to being born with a KO punch. Khan, like many fighters before him, doesn't posess a great beard! He has fast hands, average power, above average agility, and a slightly below average ring IQ. He needs a trainer that specializes in defense, which is one of Freddie's weaknesses as a trainer. He should give Floyd Mayweather Sr. another try. It may sound crazy, but "Sweet Pea" might be a good fit. The bottom line is that he needs to move up to 147 and start from scratch by finding his identity. A guy with a fragile chin can't trade in the middle of the ring with his opponent and must stick and move, keep the fight in the center of the ring, and their chin tucked, holla!

ali says:

@SRD Your right needs to move to welterweight asap. I remember when Cotto stayed at jr welterweight to long and started to get hurt alot but when he move up he was able to take punches better. Who knows if the move up is going to help some but at this point in Khan's career he needs to find out.

ali says:

@SRD Your right needs to move to welterweight asap. I remember when Cotto stayed at jr welterweight to long and started to get hurt alot but when he move up he was able to take punches better. Who knows if the move up is going to help some but at this point in Khan's career he needs to find out.

MisterLee says:

Khans move up to 140 improved his punch resistance. maybe 147, like alexander malignaggi and ortiz is the answer.

Radam G says:

MisterLee, go away! You know what you are. Quii showing a$$-out nonsense to fit in with people who will never let you in. Khan got his arse whup -- plain and simple. And he will be back. End of that.

Quit looking for syet that does not exist to entertain your ___ ____ ____ hood homies, who don't give a sh*t about you or themselves. Hate me or love me. I don't give a flying fudge. Those bytches cohabitat anyway. Just as good and bad, right and wrong, victory and defeat, life and death, etc., etc.

You are not inside of me, so don't try to think for me. "overly sensitive, a sore loser..." my ASIAN a$$! The shoes fit you, so wear them. And being a clown, that makeup fits you too, so wear it, BABBBBEEEEEE! Wear IT! HEHEHEHE! You are wonderful in Chocolate town. Marion Barry want yo' a$$, though!

People on da hate love those of your kind. And you cannot read a single person's d@mn mind. Especially one that belongs to genius ME. You know that there is some medication that will help your paranoia and Icrazy. TIME Magazine wrote about nice article about how the internet is fudging pre-exposed crazies like yourself up. READ THE PIECE!

Once again, those shoes fit, and you wear them well. YUP! You are "far from racist," but close to ____ __ ____ and a Tom. Do yo' thang! Yo' be doin' good! Hehehehe! Entertain 'em! They have put the reverse paint face on you.

Stick with boxing, and nothing else. You don't have a much of a chance in any of it. That's life. It's a BYTCH! THEN YOU DIE! Hehehehe! Holla!

Radam G says:

SCLA Ali, nobody would expect anything less of you. You are a chameleon and a parasite. And love when a muthasucka go off with a wilding imagination of makebelieve and pure nonsense. Holla!

Radam G says:

MisterLee, go away! You know what you are. Quii showing a$$-out nonsense to fit in with people who will never let you in. Khan got his arse whup -- plain and simple. And he will be back. End of that.

Quit looking for syet that does not exist to entertain your ___ ____ ____ hood homies, who don't give a sh*t about you or themselves. Hate me or love me. I don't give a flying fudge. Those bytches cohabitat anyway. Just as good and bad, right and wrong, victory and defeat, life and death, etc., etc.

You are not inside of me, so don't try to think for me. "overly sensitive, a sore loser..." my ASIAN a$$! The shoes fit you, so wear them. And being a clown, that makeup fits you too, so wear it, BABBBBEEEEEE! Wear IT! HEHEHEHE! You are wonderful in Chocolate town. Marion Barry want yo' a$$, though!

People on da hate love those of your kind. And you cannot read a single person's d@mn mind. Especially one that belongs to genius ME. You know that there is some medication that will help your paranoia and Icrazy. TIME Magazine wrote about nice article about how the internet is fudging pre-exposed crazies like yourself up. READ THE PIECE!

Once again, those shoes fit, and you wear them well. YUP! You are "far from racist," but close to ____ __ ____ and a Tom. Do yo' thang! Yo' be doin' good! Hehehehe! Entertain 'em! They have put the reverse paint face on you.

Stick with boxing, and nothing else. You don't have a much of a chance in any of it. That's life. It's a BYTCH! THEN YOU DIE! Hehehehe! Holla!

Radam G says:

SCLA Ali, nobody would expect anything less of you. You are a chameleon and a parasite. And love when a muthasucka go off with a wilding imagination of makebelieve and pure nonsense. Holla!

Radam G says:

OOPS! My Bad! That iCrazy piece is written in Danny Garcia -- I mean Newsweeks. Hehehe! Hahaha! The MisterLee's visceral bullsh*t was so off the mark about your's truly, that I had to read it twice without laughing my arse off. HehahaHEHEHeHAHAHaHEHEHe! Somebody musta' be suffering from reactive psychosis, and it ain't me.

Wow! Neurosis and psychosis. Maybe somebody oughta holla at shrink Doc Morcola. Holla!

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