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Thursday, 29 March 2012 18:47
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Juan Manuel Marquez and Manny Pacquiao would essentially have the same fight every single time they squared off against one another under sanctioned boxing rules. They are worthy adversaries for one another, and their styles are made to clash in an exciting fight. It’s just the way it is. Against Floyd Mayweather, Manny simply has more ways to win give the sheer fact that he could conceivably stop Mayweather. I find it highly unlikely, but it’s a real possibility. I think anyone with knowledge of the situation would agree that Floyd can’t hurt Manny. Manny’s been in some slugfests, has no problem trading with good punchers, and hasn’t been badly hurt in quite some time. Neither has Floyd, but because he is so seldom hit cleanly, we don’t know much about his ability to take/respond to a good shot. I don’t know that Manny has the power to hurt Floyd, but I really don’t think he has to in order to win. Here’s why: Outside of hand speed, Floyd’s greatest asset is his uncanny ability to remain so confident, calm, and comfortable during exchanges. It reflects his defensive brilliance, and it allows him to see every punch coming and avoid taking any serious punishment. This comfort level would work against him versus a lightning-quick combination puncher like Manny Pacquiao. Floyd Mayweather’s aforementioned comfort level in exchanges has gotten him in the bad habit of consistently allowing himself to be backed into the ropes. Because he is such a good defensive counter-puncher, he’s rarely at a disadvantage up against the ropes (very counter-intuitive to everything a boxer learns growing up). Floyd is not only not out of his element here, but his defensive prowess allows him to actually dictate the pace of a fight while he’s against the ropes. I’m confident that Pacquaio--an uber-aggressive, offensive dynamo--would consistently back Floyd into the ropes. I think this will happen simply because Floyd really doesn’t mind it. His apathy will cost him dearly. While Floyd may deflect or dodge four out of every five punches thrown, Manny can still hurt him with one. More importantly, the volume of punches Manny throws will add up in the judges’ eyes. Speaking of the judges’ eyes, it’s clear that any punches that land cleanly on Floyd are scored with more significance than those Floyd lands. It’s a sad truth for a fighter as defensively stout as Floyd. Since he so rarely gets hit, one clean Pacquiao shot per flurry will register in the crowd/minds of the judges as something more significant. On top of being the harder puncher by estimation, Manny can (and I believe would) steal a minimum of two rounds by firing flurries for the last 20-30 seconds of each round. Even if most of the punches don’t land, his punch output (simply throwing more than Floyd) closing rounds will win him all of the even rounds (i.e. Sugar Ray Leonard strategically did this against Marvin Hagler). I also think Manny’s aggressive, offensive-oriented style alone will win him at least two of the first three rounds since Floyd is a notoriously slow starter compared to Pacquaio. After stealing 2-3 more rounds with flurries to finish close rounds (again, it might not even matter if anything significant is landed), all Manny will have to do is win another round or two and stay off the canvas to win a decision. Sounds simple, right? I’m sure Floyd will consistently land hard, clean counter-punches while Manny is on his way in. The issue is that Floyd Mayweather has evolved into a one-and-done counter puncher. He sparingly throws combinations like he did as a younger fighter. Manny has a tremendous chin, and I think he’d be willing to take one of Floyd’s shots to get off 4-5 of his own. While Floyd is more than capable of winning this fight, the issue is that he would need to employ strategies and tactics he has not shown in almost a decade. It’s been many years since Floyd has stood his ground in the center of the ring and forced an inside fight. I think he can win a fight against Manny in this fashion, but I don’t think he would do it. I think he’s so supremely confident in his ability to counter and fight off the ropes that his stubbornness would prevail. As far as what the fight looks like, I think it looks somewhat similar to Floyd’s bizarre fight against Victor Ortiz. For the most part, Ortiz was able to get Floyd up against the ropes and get off punches. Granted he only landed with his head, but I think this showed an important lesson about Floyd’s current fighting style. In the center of the ring, Ortiz would be nothing more than a sparring session for Floyd Mayweather. He’d pick him apart. But Floyd’s complete lack of concern (ignorance?) for being against the ropes gave Ortiz openings. Again, Ortiz couldn’t capitalize on them, but he’s not a fighter of Manny’s caliber. In a similar situation, I’m confident Manny could not only get off combinations, but actually land punches. Simply put, Manny Pacquaio is pound-for-pound the most explosive, complete offensive fighter in the last 15 years of boxing. Floyd Mayweather is undoubtedly the best defensive fighter of my lifetime (25 years and counting), but I think it’s very hard for defense to win out on scorecards against an aggressive puncher like Manny. I’m not even saying that Manny is better; I just think his style is going to make Floyd work for everything. Floyd hasn’t had to do that in several years since he’s hand-picked his opponents and had seldom faced a top-tier fighter in their respective prime. I don’t think he can hurt Manny, but the more I think on it, he’ll need to in order to win this fight. amayseng says:
this article is what i have been saying for a year. todays floyd vs pac will not win. BHarper85 says:
Good article, especially the line about the transitive property not applying to boxing. So many people thought that because of Pacquiao's last fight with Marquez, Mayweather would comfortably beat him. They all essentially asserted that Floyd is a bigger, stronger, faster carbon copy of JMM, which isn't true and got old. I still would give Floyd a slight edge in the fight, but it's close. Unfortunately, we're probably never going to see it. By the way, Floyd isn't the best defensive boxer of the last 25 years, let alone "undoubtedly" the best. That distinction belongs to Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker. Period. Other than that, good article. burayray says:
No, I dont think Pac will win this time, Floyd will dance around and try his best to avoid exchanging punches with Pac...Pac doesnt have the grace from God since he is no longer a catholic but a born again whatever....I hope that converts like him get punished for blaming his former religion for his past sins...Pac is slipping....he will lose vs. Bradley nashingun says:
Floyds fast jab actually are SLAP JABS with not much power to hurt or shutter his opponents chin. instead its use is to disrupt your movements and timing. floyd knows if he can tip your angle or timing out he could take over the fight. this is also the loophole of his style, he cant handle an aggressive puncher like margarito with a good chin and stamina floyd will surely end up using his shoulder role. but to margarito this wont be very effective knowing he will keep throwing and keep coming. pacquiao is a more dangerous challenge against floyds type of defenses, with his unpredictable use of footing and angles floyd technically may fall to openings. we've seen this against mosley vs pacquiao fight where mosley realized he is already at the canvas trying to figure how pacquiao manage to knock him down. floyd dont make openings for a knock out punch. he will try to manipulate the game by throwing slap jabs with some one to combinations that are not meant to hit your chin and bring you down, its some kind of a fake aggresive attacks with half way to move backwards. this is why floyd never really had this one punch knock out in the middle of exchanges. he never take chances. he is always ready to move backwards then goes to shoulder roll turtle defense. floyd never really change his style yet he is effective against his previous cherry picked opponents. but looking at his previous fights he was brilliant in his lightweight bouts specially against corrales where he became famous but coming up to welter he never really showed skillful abilities except a round by round technical win. floyd never really uses powerpunches for a knockdown to preserve his strength instead maximizes speed and movements. running backwards is his very essential ability to avoid getting hit. deception is floyds strategy, he'll make you think he is this good and fast and agile. thats why he trash talks alot. but pacquiao carries the keys to his downfall. pacquiao moves in speed and throws punches in weird angles with monstrous stamina always moving forward and creates openings for a KO. he throws power punches all the time seeking to knock you down. with the southpaw stance pacquiao stands as floyd biggest threat. ali says:
In my Charles Barkley voice this article was terrible....First of all how in the F do u figure Mayweather can't hurt Pac?..Marquez did and he's not known for his power...Margacheato did and he not either...so that some straight B.S...why do you keep saying Pac will back him up to the ropes?...have u seen Mayweather fight lately or against southpaws he moving forward most of the time...how in the F can u say you your not sure if Mayweather has a chin?...did u see the Corley fight how about the Zab fight maybe you missed the Mosley fight cause he was hit clean by some bombs and didn't go down he came back and dominated those fights. gibola says:
No he won't, and it won't even be that close. I don't see a competitive fight. Pacquaio loses by 9 rounds to 3 or even by late stoppage. JMM baffled Pacman, Mayweather will do it far worse, gain control early and leave no doubt. Pacman's flurries won't land, he will find himself getting him with jabs and lead right hands and Pacmans alleged speed advantage won't be a factor at all. The bigger, better fighter will fight at his pace, avoid getting hit and almost certainly win by wide, unanimous decision. If anyone thinks Pacman was impressive against Mosley and JMM and that PBF wasn't against Ortiz, you watched different fights to me. I assure you I don't read too much into any one fight (JMM3), I don't have to it's just always been the case that PBF could outbox Pacman, even if Pacman had knocked JMM in one round, he still can't beat PBF and he won't - not in 2012 or back in 2009. It needs to happen for the good of the sport, it'll be a good fight, a big fight, a necessary fight, but it won't be a close fight. Radam G says:
Keep it coming, Mayweather's loyal ___ ___ ____! Listen to your supreme demigod's pied-piper flute. He just keep you muthasuckas running off that cliff with his bullspit playing of that music. PLAY DAT FUNKY MUSIC, dumber [sic] boy -- I mean Money Money. michaelabii says:
Some good points but in essence this is a flawed assesment of both fighters current fighting styles. The writer fails to mention the evident signs of Mannys decline in recent fights. Mannys aggresive fighting style much like a young Mike Tysons can only last so long especially in the lower weight classes. I see him pushing his punches more so now than he used to. Manny really peaked as a complete fighter when he fought DeLaHoya and Cotto and in all honestly does not do so well against technically proficient counter punchers. It will be a competitive fight but Mayweather is the all round more skilled fighter. The Mayweather who fights these days is more comfortable staying in center ring and firing off two punch combinations. He is also extremely strong at welterweight especially in clinches and on the inside so manny will not manhandle him. There again mannys game will be to overwhelm mayweather with his punch volume. I can see this working for the first five rounds or so but mayweather has an uncanny ability to blunt the effect of those punches by not taking them flush (except the one Mosley got him with) and we know what happened after that. manny will push Mayweather to the limit but an in shape mayweather will most likely close the show between rounds 7 - 12 not by knockout by by clean, hard counterpunching. I am willing to bet that at some stage Mayweather will start to back Manny up with short sharp combinations with Manny goading him on and trying to retaliate but not hitting much. Am I dreaming or what ?? Come on guys - make the fight ! michaelabii says:
No he won't, and it won't even be that close. I don't see a competitive fight. Pacquaio loses by 9 rounds to 3 or even by late stoppage. JMM baffled Pacman, Mayweather will do it far worse, gain control early and leave no doubt. Pacman's flurries won't land, he will find himself getting him with jabs and lead right hands and Pacmans alleged speed advantage won't be a factor at all. The bigger, better fighter will fight at his pace, avoid getting hit and almost certainly win by wide, unanimous decision. If anyone thinks Pacman was impressive against Mosley and JMM and that PBF wasn't against Ortiz, you watched different fights to me. I assure you I don't read too much into any one fight (JMM3), I don't have to it's just always been the case that PBF could outbox Pacman, even if Pacman had knocked JMM in one round, he still can't beat PBF and he won't - not in 2012 or back in 2009. It needs to happen for the good of the sport, it'll be a good fight, a big fight, a necessary fight, but it won't be a close fight. I completely agree with this assesment. The antidote to Mayweather is a fighetr with the technical skills and speed of a Mentally focused Zab Judah and the puch power and volume of Manny. deepwater says:
blah blah blah. this fight is turning into nonsense. sign the contracts! brownsugar says:
I'm speechless, gibola, michaelabi, and ali said what I was thinking but much better .....but it's fast becoming a fantasy. If Floyd does well with Cotto, the only options are Martinez, Canello, or Pac..... but I honestly see Khan as a bigger threat than Pac because he's a mover-boxer with power. hfayetim2 says:
Why are you hating on him when he's a way better person now? hfayetim2 says:
No, I dont think Pac will win this time, Floyd will dance around and try his best to avoid exchanging punches with Pac...Pac doesnt have the grace from God since he is no longer a catholic but a born again whatever....I hope that converts like him get punished for blaming his former religion for his past sins...Pac is slipping....he will lose vs. Bradley Why are you hating on him when he's a way better person now? Have you even wondered what the reasons behind his change are instead of hating? You'll never find understanding if there's too much pride and hate, and less knowledge. Pacquiao found wisdom, a different understanding of the world and his life, closeness to God, and joy in becoming a born again Christian. Christianity isn't even religion. It's having a close relationship with God, following only what's on the Bible, and not the man-made beliefs and traditions in religion. I pray, despite you being a religious person, that you'll stop hoping for bad things to happen on others and that God will touch your heart and open your eyes so you will find peace, like Pacquiao have in himself. ali says: @Michaelabii, Gibola great post... deepwater says: Dont bring G-d into this . Do you really think G-d is up there playing puppetmaster?picking winners and losers? The Creator of the universe gave us the best gift possible= free will. The best prayer to G-d before a fight= "G-d please stay out of it, thank you" ultimoshogun says: I'll second that, brownsugar. I've been reading some good insightful stuff from gibola, michaelabii, and Grimm's pretty good too when he partakes in the discussion...keep it coming fellas. Real Talk says: This is exactly what donputo69 called fantasy boxing. I got to disagree with almost everything in this article. It's fantasy not reality. How can you throw a 4 to 5 punch combo when you're getting countered after the first one. Can you say reset. I got a lot of ammo to blow holes all through this article, Swiss cheese...but I got to head out the door. I'll revisit this one for sure. Dueces Radam G says: Wow! No nowadays elite gun in his 30s has "declined" like Mayweather. His whole style has gone through a evolution of vulnerabilities. Just look how Sugar Ray Mosley got to him. And look what dumba$$ Victor Ortiz was putting on him until Victor turned into a head-butting ram. Radam G says: Money May is no boksing paradox. He thinks straight-up inside -- not outside -- the box. At 35 years old, his boxing-grandpa legs ain't what they use to be. And this -- for an opponent -- makes his coming punches easy to see. He's everything that TSS reader Nashingun posted, including "a jab slapper." And a shoulder-rolling tapper. On Da Manny, Money May's punches will not hurt. Outta Money May's bad mouth, Da Manny will knock da dirt. And that kangaroo hook Money May loves to throw, on Da Manny it won't sail. Da Manny's punches will be nuke dropping on Money May like soft-ball size hail. ali says: Ultimoshogun u also post some good stuff...im glad you brought up Grimm cuz he brings it. TotoyBato says: Pacquiao peaked @ the Cotto fight and is now about to retire. Little Floyd may have missed his chance or just may have made the most important DUCK of his career and questionable claim for greatness. nashingun says: floyd vs ortiz! ali says: @Nashingun Your boxing knowledge is very, very low...just because a fighter doesn't have scratch or a cut on his face don't mean he didn't his *** whooped...Zab had his moments early but was figured out and was about to be knocked out until Zab intentionally hit him with a low blow...ODL was thowing a lot of punches but was basically missing everything, he was hurt by a uppercut in the 3rd or the 4th round when Mayweather was up against the ropes even with 10oz gloves....Victor the obituary liar Ortiz was getting out classed from the get go I can't believe u even bringing up that fight so im not even going to waste my time on it...Mayweather whooped JMM because of skill not weight Mayweather wasn't roughing him up during the fight or throwing his weight around so the argument your trying to make don't make any sense...The Mosley fight lol your a funny guy Nashingun he got hit buy a moster over hand right that would have knocked out any welterweight Mayweather took it like G didn't go down, was hurt and was still coming forward... rounds 3 through 12 Mayweather mop the floor with Mosley and hurt him numerous times...Your post got more holes the the guy who posted this article. ali says: @Nashingun Your boxing knowledge is very, very low...just because a fighter doesn't have scratch or a cut on his face don't mean he didn't his *** whooped...Zab had his moments early but was figured out and was about to be knocked out until Zab intentionally hit him with a low blow...ODL was thowing a lot of punches but was basically missing everything, he was hurt by a uppercut in the 3rd or the 4th round when Mayweather was up against the ropes even with 10oz gloves....Victor the obituary liar Ortiz was getting out classed from the get go I can't believe u even bringing up that fight so im not even going to waste my time on it...Mayweather whooped JMM because of skill not weight Mayweather wasn't roughing him up during the fight or throwing his weight around so the argument your trying to make don't make any sense...The Mosley fight lol your a funny guy Nashingun he got hit buy a moster over hand right that would have knocked out any welterweight Mayweather took it like G didn't go down, was hurt and was still coming forward... rounds 3 through 12 Mayweather mop the floor with Mosley and hurt him numerous times...Your post got more holes the the guy who posted this article. Radam G says: C'mon, Real Talk! Where ya at! SCLA Ali is a ballin' fo' ya! You KNOOOOOOOOOOOOW that he is the number one Money May blanka-da-blank [sic] groupie! And he wants you to spit some Money May woopee-woopee! Radam G says: C'mon, Real Talk! Where ya at! SCLA Ali is a ballin' fo' ya! You KNOOOOOOOOOOOOW that he is the number one Money May blanka-da-blank [sic] groupie! And he wants you to spit some Money May woopee-woopee! Radam G says: I'm with deepwater. Don't bring God, and I promise not to bring the satan. Holla! ali says: Triple O.G Your P4P the best Pactard in the world...Stop acting like you know Mayweather personally cuz you don't...taking a picture with him don't make y'all homeboys...come on down here to L.A and kiss Freddie Roach *** and maybe he will let you into his gym so you can an autograph or somethen from Pac... Radam G says: Don't be hatin,' SCLA Ali! I've been knowing Fam May from birth. You can believe whatever you get you off. I hope that you have a clean towel. Hehehehe! Radam G says: Muthasuckas and their sidekicks want everybodeee and dey momma to believe dat Money May is caviar, but he's just cheese and crackers, or maybe grits and a biscuit, or maybe cheap whisky and a gingerbread cookie. Holla! ali says: I finally figured out Radam G real name, it's Victor the obituary liar Ortiz lol!!! Your not a pinoy your a damn mexican just be proud of who you are triple og...come on. back to L.A and I will get u into the gym so you can watch Pac train for his up coming fight with Bradley no B.S me and Pac are good friends.. Radam G says: HEHEHEHEHE! WOW! SCLA Ali, you crack me up! First and foremost, I'm the typical Pinoy -- A PROUD MUTT living mostly on the mainland of the USA! Shoulder Roll Defense says: What is this, hate Mayweather month? Even at 35 years of age, "Money" is too smart and would exploit Manny's weaknesses during the second half of the fight. If Mayweather didn't stop Manny, he would at least knock him down a couple of times because Manny has poor footwork and would get countered or fall into traps that Mayweather set. I see Mayweather utilizing his size and jab (72 inch reach) like he did against Marquez and coasting to a relatively easy night via UD or KO (8 rounds to 4rounds UD or 9th through 12 round KO). Radam G says: SRD, there will be no second half of the fight. Da Manny will kayo Bluecoat Money May in the same manner -- EARLY and QUICKLYT -- that he kayoed Redcoat Ricky Hatton. I know that it is hard for you to accept. But is just like when you were about 10 years old and learned that there was no tooth fairy, Easter Bunny or Santa Claus. You got over it. You will be all right, bro. undisputed34 says: this was a horrible article. period. Larry Merchant says: Hey Ali, Gibola and Michaelabii - Larry Merchant says: Hey Ali, Gibola and Michaelabii - Larry Merchant says: Hey Ali, Gibola and Michaelabii - gpike says:
You're talking about a Pacquiao three years ago, not now. The Manny who has shown up in the ring in his last three fights is slower, easier to hit and more easily befuddled than the Manny who pulverized Cotto and Hatton.
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Let me get this out of the way: The transitive property does not apply to boxing. I’m well aware that Juan Manuel Marquez was shutout by Floyd Mayweather, Jr. in a one-sided drubbing September of 2009. Even more impressive was the fact that Floyd was coming off a long layoff. I also know the every one of the three times that same Juan Manuel Marquez has fought Manny Pacquiao, Manny was fighting for his life in hotly contested slugfests. This has no bearing on a (sigh) potential fight between the Manny and Floyd.
I will first read what all the _____ _____ _____ ____ ___ ____ and ___ --____ are going to spit. SCLA Ali use to spit, "That Pacquiao [doesn't] fight black (opponents)." Then when Da Manny whoop those arses of Clottey -- an African -- and Mosley [An American], SCLA Ali started posting that Da Manny "didn't do sh** and "is not the same fighter he was."
Well! Now let me start some jive-turkey sh**! Money May looked like syet against Victor Ortiz and doesn't fight Pinoys. The one-man Pinoy murder row would kick his arse. And Money May knows it. This is why he ducks like a thousand and one birdbrains and make up ridicious jive about the Bobfather not wanting Da Manny to tangle with him.
BTW I'm shocked that TSS has not reported that Money May admitted to Da Manny that he is scare of losing to him. This is why Money May wanted such a BIG cut of the purse. Muthasucka said that boxing was his only outlet for making the big bucks and a lost would take that away. RAT [sic] ON! And you KNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW once Da Manny tap dat Lil' Floyd that is all she rows. So you muthasuckas listen to Money May blow his pied-piper flute and fall your ___ ____ ____ ____ over that cliff! Holla!