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Pacquiao Might Have Blueprint to Beat Mayweather

BY Lee Wylie ON February 29, 2012
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PacquiaoMarquezIII Hogan 34It now looks like the much anticipated fantasy fight between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather will remain just that.

A fantasy.

During the recent Mayweather/Cotto presser in NY, Floyd announced that the fight would remain unlikely as long as Pacquiao is promoted under Bob Arum. Mayweather went on, adding that he was not willing to split the purse with Pacquiao either.

But Floyd is considered the betting favourite. So why the apparent reluctance?

Nobody knows Floyd Mayweather better than, well, Floyd Mayweather. He knows his likes and dislikes. He knows what makes him happy or sad. More importantly, he knows his strengths and his weaknesses.

Mayweather versus Pacquiao was once thought of as an even fight. Not anymore. Back in November of last year, Manny Pacquiao was awarded a highly controversial decision win over Juan Manuel Marquez with the Mexican great once again proving to have the counterpunching style to neutralise the Filipino's overwhelming offense. Making things look even more ominous for Pacquiao, was back in 2009, after an 18 month lay off, Floyd Mayweather dominated the very same Marquez, winning just about every second of every round. It was as one sided a fight as you are likely to see.

As a result, most are now of the opinion, that if Manny Pacquiao could not handle Juan Manuel Marquez, who is a great counterpuncher, then surely Floyd Mayweather, who is an all time great counterpuncher, will be able to control Pacquiao with relative ease.

Many who felt Pacquiao may have had the style to cause Floyd problems before the last Marquez fight, now think otherwise.

Nothing could be further from the truth. There was nothing in the last Pacquiao/Marquez fight that has changed this writer's opinion that if they ever meet in the ring, Manny Pacquiao will be Floyd Mayweather's toughest challenge to date. To further my point, there were elements in the last Pacquiao/Marquez fight that have enhanced my opinion.

Juan Manuel Marquez operates very differently from Floyd Mayweather. Marquez is probably the best combination puncher in the sport. He owns a variety of punches that he mixes up, to body and head, throwing as many as five at a time. He is never afraid of letting his hands go, and he is able to mount offense without hesitation. One of the reasons Marquez enjoys great success over Pacquiao is his willingness to match him in the punch output department. In other words, Marquez is willing to risk his defensive responsibility which allows him to land his own shots. As a result, Pacquiao's own offense is reduced. Floyd Mayweather on the other hand, is the polar opposite. Floyd shies away from throwing combinations. Instead, Floyd's straight right hand is his primary offensive weapon, a punch which he only allows to be released, one shot at a time, once the offense of his opponent has been neutralised.

Mayweather and Marquez set about counterpunching in different ways too. Floyd likes to stand in front of his opponent, almost daring them to open up. Once they do, Floyd's god given anticipation takes over. He is able to make an opponent miss a jab by tilting his head back, which enables him to then immediately land his straight right hand over the top of his opponent's exposed jab. Floyd calls this the pull counter. Floyd also likes to counter using his shoulder roll. He is able to deflect his opponents offense off of his shoulders, thus creating an angle for him to counter straight back. Floyd uses upper body movement to defend himself. Marquez uses his legs.

The point is, when defending in this way, Mayweather's feet are planted. Marquez' feet are only planted when he is on offense. Marquez likes to defend by maintaining a distance between himself and his opponent, constantly circling clockwise around the ring. Take a look at his three fights with Pacquiao. You will be amazed at how much ground Marquez covers with his feet. Only when an opponent is off balance and Marquez has created an angle, does he counter. Defending in this way against Pacquiao does not allow Marquez to get caught by Manny's straight left hand. It also keeps his back off the ropes. Alarmingly, Mayweather's back probably touched the ropes more in four rounds with Victor Ortiz, than Marquez' back did in three fights with Manny Pacquiao.

Technically, Marquez and Mayweather are both counterpunchers, yes. But that's where the similarities begin and end. They are like night and day when it comes to how they behave in the ring.

Juan Manuel Marquez does not receive enough credit for his ability to neutralise Manny Pacquiao. It does him a major disservice to make the assumption that Pacquiao is on the slide or Mayweather could replicate what Marquez is able achieve against Manny.

Marquez has somewhat evolved into a specialist at fighting Manny Pacquiao.

Prior to their last fight, Marquez had 24 rounds experience with Pacquiao. He now has 36. If we a look at Marquez' fight's against Juan Diaz and Michael Katsidis, you will see a far more aggressive Marquez, sometimes even pressing the attack, as opposed to sitting back and waiting to counter.

Yet for all the suggestions that Marquez has Manny's number, how many official wins does Marquez have over Pacquiao? Ask yourself this. In their last fight, did Marquez defeat Pacquiao? Or did he tame Pacquiao? One could argue Marquez did a good job of not allowing himself to take a beating like previous Pacquiao opponentsShane Mosley and Joshua Clottey did, whilst applying just a little bit more in the way ofoffense to avoid comparisons with them. Point being, Manny Pacquiao is very tough to defeat on the scorecards. Erik Morales managed it once, but that win was twice reversed in devastating fashion. Marquez may have come as close as anyone can to defeating the current version of Manny Pacquiao without leaving themselves vulnerable to Manny's offense. Marquez fought cautious and was backing up the whole time, allowing Pacquiao to come onto him. This is why the judges awarded Pacquiao the decision.

It is easy to get wrapped up in the mystique of Floyd's defensive wizardry and sheer dominance over his opposition. But, if we think logically, logic tells us that a Pacquiao/Mayweather fight would probably go to the scorecards. We know that Pacquiao, unlike Roy Jones during his prime years, can take a decent shot. Manny is not as elusive as Jones was. We have seen him hit often and hard by the likes of Miguel Cotto and Antonio Margarito. Mayweather on the other hand, does not take risks inside the ring, he is not an aggressive fighter, he rarely looks for the knockout, instead preferring to outbox his opponent over the distance.

Because of the nature of round scoring, it is not inconceivable to think that Mayweather could appear to be winning the fight, boxing and moving, making Pacquiao miss and still end up losing a decision. Just ask Juan Manuel Marquez. Marquez probably won the battle, but lost the war because of an opinion from two men. Remember, many felt Jose Luis Castillo defeated Mayweather in their first fight. One judge also felt that De la Hoya defeated Mayweather, because of Oscar's constant forward momentum. Pacquiao's style translates to him receiving the benefit of the doubt in close fights that don't seem to go his way. Floyd is the opposite, judges sometimes think hisfights are a lot closer than theyreally are. The curse of the counterpuncher against volume.

We can look at the Joshua Clottey fight as another example. If you were to choose the ten cleanest punches of the whole fight, every one of them would have belonged to Joshua Clottey. Pacquiao struggled to land anything clean on Clottey the whole fight, yet he won every single round because of his aggression and volume. Pacquiao's high volume and aggressive nature does not bode well for a defensive minded fighter. On average, Floyd probably throws around 400 punches a fight. Manny Pacquiao throws around the 800 mark. Thats a 2 to 1 ratio. Damning numbers in a fight that could be the subject of judgement in the end.

It is not just on the scorecards where Pacquiao's style does not translate well for Mayweather either. As mentioned earlier, Marquez and Mayweather go about their jobs very differently. Floyd's defense is one of the best in boxing history, but Marquez may have the more appropriate defense when it comes to defending Pacquiao attacks.

Manny Pacquiao, in the eyes of many, is the best offensive fighter in boxing. Pacquiao's best weapon is his ability to feint, then, using superb footwork, change the direction of his attack at the last second, then explode in with his combinations.

His "in and out" style of boxing is the reason Pacquiao opponents all share the same notion, that Pacquiao throws his punches from such strange angles.

The truth is, Pacquiao only ever throws straight punches, but it's because of the feints that freeze his opponents, and his footwork, that enables him to snake around his opponent's guard which allows him to land the combinations that they don't see coming.

Marquez' style combats this attack perfectly.

His heels seldom touch the canvas, he is always moving, circling around the ring, never allowing himself to be caught in the Pacquiao feint combination. In contrast, Floyd Mayweather often plants his feet when defending. Mayweather's defense is designed to meet offense head on, like waves crashing into rocks. This is the difference between the two defensive mechanics. Mayweather invites offense onto him, whereas Marquez maintains distance between himself and his opponent. It is no coincidence then, that James Toney and Chad Dawson, both defensive minded fighters with a similar style to Mayweather, lost to Roy Jones and Jean Pascal respectively. They were fighters who utilised footwork, combinations and an "in and out" style of boxing to bewilder their opponents.

What about Pacquiao's southpaw stance?

Floyd Mayweather has fought southpaws before, but Pacquiao is very different. Pacquiao is unconventional with his movement. Pacquiao likes to drift to his left which can be very confusing for an orthodox fighter, as the power left hand is now coming at a very central angle. If we look at Mayweather's defensive shell and imagine he is fighting an orthodox fighter, his right hand is protecting his chin and parrying his opponents' jab. Floyd's left shoulder is also protecting his chin and deflecting right hand power shots coming from the outside.

Pacquiao's southpaw stance and unconventional movement appears to trump Mayweather's defense. Moving inside Mayweather's guard, Pacquiao's left hand would now be traveling INSIDE of Floyd's left shoulder, instead of AROUND.

Take a look at the combination Mosley landed on Floyd that hurt him in round 2 of their fight. Now think of the way Floyd was defending himself. His feet were planted, using his parry and shoulders to defend himself. Marquez never defends in this way against Pacquiao.

One final worry for Floyd could be that he is a slow starter, as was evident against Chop Chop Corley, Zab Judah, Ricky Hatton and Shane Mosley. Manny Pacquiao, however, is a fast starter. He hurt and scored early knockdowns of Barerra, Morales, Marquez, Hatton, Cotto and Mosely.

Ask yourself this, if Pacquiao was in the ring with Mayweather, instead of Shane Mosley during their contest, would Mayweather have even made it to the next round, let alone go on to dominate every proceeding round after?

Don't get me wrong, Floyd Mayweather is a sensational fighter. His ability to adjust and adapt in the ring is extraordinary and the longer this fight takes to be made, the more Mayweather will benefit as a result. Mayweather's fundamentals and knowledge last with time. Pacquiao's physical gifts, like speed and explosiveness, do not.

Most people agree Floyd is the best fighter in the world ahead of Pacquiao. Floyd is probably more dominant over his opposition than Manny is over his. However, it's an entirely different story when you match Floyd's style with Manny's style. Because of his experience of going to the scorecards in big fights, I think Floyd may have been the only person who watched the last Pacquiao/Marquez fight and actually came away with negative thoughts regarding his own chances. The nature of round scoring favours Pacquiao, not Mayweather. Compubox favours Pacquiao, not Mayweather. Look at the fighters who Floyd has been thought to have avoided. Paul Williams and Antonio Margarito--Margarito was actually considered a threat at one time--and now Pacquiao.

The commonality between those fighters and Pacquiao? Volume.

Mayweather is more than capable of defeating Manny Pacquiao. But to suggest so based on how Juan Manuel Marquez looked against Pacquiao is a false assumption.

Nearly every great fighter throughout history had an opponent, who may not have been as talented or as skilled, yet proved to be more than their match because of a stylistic contrast. Muhammad Ali had Ken Norton, Manny Pacquiao has Juan Manuel Marquez.

No fighter is unbeatable. Even Ray Robinson lost fights. As of yet, there is no blueprint on how to beat Floyd Mayweather. Does the blueprint lie within Pacquiao's style?

Comment on this article

Rhohan Forthood says:

That's what I've been trying to say all this time! Nice breakdown on the difference between fighters style. Definitely worth noting when deciding to put my money down on this fight if it should ever happen. Good article.

shyder says:

Well,well,well.....bravo amigo Rhohan! Excellent analysis indeed. You shade the light to the boxing fans around the world. It becomes crystal clear that PACMAN will dominate FLOYD when they meet in the ring but sad to say it is only a FANTASY becoz floyd gay weather is afraid alot to Pac and the only escape goat he can do is not to give what is due to Pac.

erniepep says:

Wow! You are a great analyst, second to none! While majority of writers would praise Mayweather for his defensive wizardry, they don't seem to see any loopholes in his defense; however, your analysis is one I have secretly had in mind when the two meet especially if Pacman is the underdog, to bet against Mayweather. Marquez is a different brand of defensive Monster who has guts & heart & always willingto trade punches whenever he sees loopholes against his opponent. May I add also that Mayweather looked scared & confused whenever he is cornered, only his opponents don't have solid combinations, speed and power that would topple him. Pacman on the other hand, is a southpaw, an achilles heel for a shoulder roll defense (I recalled that his Dad, Floyd Sr. forbade his son not to fight a southpaw when he was still in Jail). If you anlalyze the previous fights of Floyd, you could figure right away that he has problems with southpaws (Corley, Judah) and an agressive fighter (Castillo). Only these 2 southpaws have no stamina; In Pacman, we have unlimited stamina, hand speed & foot speed, power, throws combinations in bunches and very agressive fighter who wants to terminate his opponnents, the reason why until now Floyd is still reluctant to fight Pacman inspite of the fact that Pacman had agreed to all his demands except the purse. Erniepep

nashingun says:

i agree with the things you portrayed in this article. floyd has trouble with offensive boxers with volumes of powerpunches that his shoulder roll might fail, not to mention the southpaw stance that pacquiao carries along with speed and unpredictability in throwing those punches in weird angles. i think theres a load of troubles to calculate pacquiao's next move is what floyds so stressed about why he keep ducking him. floyd dont have the punchers chance to knock pacquiao down, but pacquiao has it. so the quickest way to figure between the two is the one with less chance of survival. pacquiao when really really brought to his best gives out his most devastating performance... and the fact that pacquiao is very mad at floyd makes it more than a stir to destroy him. pacquiao wants to beat floyd so much even now, floyd knows that, and i think it brings chill to his bones on what pacquiao can bring to him.

junglejong says:

Re: Pacquaio Might Have Blueprint to Beat Mayweather

I really find this article quite an eye opener! This is the most graphic and vivid expose i've ever read so far with regards to Mayweather's so called cloak of invulnerability. The verbatim (word for word) content of this article may have been what's bugging not only Mayweather's mind but his entire team all along.
Your accurate breakdown of Floyd's overall behavior above the ring shows how vulnerable he is to Pacquiao. In fact Money's tendencies (shoulder roll, right parry) looks like the perfect compliment to Manny's volume and angle punching style! You made Money look like a complete example of a sitting duck, hands down.
Mayweather's couldn't make last minute adjustments to his style because that's his one and only style, He will be wide open from Pacman's Left straights and left hooks alone(not to mention right uppers and right hooks w/ quick 6 punch combos simultaneously).Best article ever..I hope that the Pacman reads this and consider this his blueprint against Badweather!!!

junglejong says:

Bravo Mr. Wylie! cant thank you enough!!

OneTonMan says:

Great analysis, a different point of view. Good write!

marlito says:

very well sai. very good research. pls keep them coming... love to read from you soon

ARTIMS says:

Mr. Lee Wylie, Great! An enormous mind-boggling boxing analysis…GOD Bless!

ARTIMS says:

Mr. Lee Wylie, Great! An enormous mind-boggling boxing analysis…GOD Bless!

ARTIMS says:

Mr. Lee Wylie, Great! An enormous mind-boggling boxing analysis…GOD Bless!

ARTIMS says:

Mr. Lee Wylie, Great! An enormous mind-boggling boxing analysis…GOD Bless!

rizzle says:

booyaw!! nailed it!! great article bro.

ali says:

U made a few good points....but at the end of the whenever Mayweather has had any problems in the ring he has figured out the solution...one thing y'all have to remember is Pac won't throwing 100 punches per round against Mayweather and if u think so you crazy...Why? Because when u miss u pay against Mayweather secondly Mayweather going to use his jab and keep Pac on the outside for the most part...3rd of Mayweather defense will eventually frustrate Pac cuz he's never seen nothing like it.

hollowfields says:

You made interesting observations and valid reasons to support your points. Unfortunately, we might never actually see that fight. Mayweather seems to be making so many excuses not to fight.

rbasky61 says:

This is one of the best boxing analysis i've ever read..point by point analysis on weakness and strength of fighters if they meet inside the ring.. hope you give more analysis on upcoming boxers..great job.. i like it..more..more..

emgeedee says:

Great article! You have perfectly exposed the reasons Floyd Mayweather Jr. won't fight Manny Pacquiao.

Duckpunch says:

Thank you. Same thoughts here. Mayweather is a great defensive fighter. But he and Juan Manuel Marquez do not fight the same way. Marquez takes more chances. He has more guts than Mayweather.

rickmeister1203 says:

Don't you worry mah brotha, Floyd is way to smart and slick to fall for Pacquiao's style. Floyd won't even be using his famous shoulder roll to knock Manny out. Manny won't be able to touch Floyd with his famous 6 combo shots coz Floyd ain't fightin' him. Floyd will knock Manny out with his famous mouth.

Radam G says:

Huh! I see some favorable response to this copy. Where are the haters? I just know that they are getting ready to bring that Stormyweather -- I mean Scareweather, or if that Mayweather -- nuthugging-and-pied-piper--leading-'em-over-the-cliff response. Holla!

botyokChokoyNJ says:

U made a few good points....but at the end of the day whenever Mayweather has had any problems in the ring he has figured out the solution...one thing y'all have to remember is Pac won't throwing 100 punches per round against Mayweather and if u think so you crazy...Why? Because when u miss u pay against Mayweather secondly Mayweather is going to use his jab and keep Pac on the outside for the most part...3rd of all Mayweather defense will eventually frustrate Pac like it has everybody else.


bro firstly, Mayweather is a like a diesel engine on the 1st 4 rounds w/c Pacquiao will take advantage on that. A slow starter against a fast start. 2nd, its not 100 punches/round though, but an average 55 to 65 punches/rnd. but when ask if they ever collide w/ Floyd,..Pac said, he will fight Floyd "like there's no tomorrow",..& there we go, we will apply your 100 punches/ rnd or more.
granted, Mayweather will be riding a bicycle all night long,..he can run but he cant hide. what if he got tired of running & eventually Pacquiao catches him on the ropes at one corner? do you think Pacquiao will just throw 10 combos? do you think Mayweather can breath, rest or blink his eyes? hell no!

some maybe right, the only chance of Mayweather to win is by points through a decision.

For Pacquiao to win, he should be the 1st & the last fighter on the planet to knock out Floyd Mayweather Jr on the early rounds.

Thats why, until now Team Mayweather esp Ellerbe are using all kinds of dodging tactics to avoid the Pacman because they arent sure yet how to beat Pacquiao.

Money team are really waiting when Pacquiao retires for a year or two, then thats the time they will challenge Pacquiao.

watch it out.

(great analysis, Mr. LeeW)

BHarper85 says:

FINALLY, someone writes an article questioning the conventional wisdom that developed after Pacquiao/Marquez III. People were basically saying that Mayweather is a bigger, stronger, faster carbon copy of Marquez, which, as you logically claim, just isn't true. And thank you for saying that Pacquiao won the fight, because he did. It was close, but he won fighting Marquez' fight. Manny's defense was overlooked in that fight as well. If you watch the fight with no sound, you'll notice that a lot of punches from Marquez that got the crowd excited were blocked or just glanced off of Pacquiao. As far as Pacquiao/Mayweather, at this point I give Floyd a slight edge, but it's pretty close to a pick-'em fight. Unfortunately, I think the best chance to create a Pacquiao/Mayweather fight is to get Bobby and Jeff out of retirement and into the ring together.

keithG says:

Lee, there's also a very telling tales on mayweather's last fight against ortiz that made me lean more towards a pacquiao victory over mayweather. Not many people would notice it but i'm sure you did. One of it and the most obvious one is that, mayweather can be hit when you throw combinations, he can dodge only 1 or 2 punches off a combination. Every punch in pacquiao's combinations are nasty power punches most of the time.

cldiao2 says:

This is the best analysis I have read so far. It is not biased but objective. The author evaluates a lot of the technical strenghts and capabilities of both mayweather and pacquiao's fighting styles based on previous fights. Keep it up! Great work Mr Lee Wylie.

amayseng says:

ive been saying this for years, great article..

jmm is a combination puncher,

floyd is a pot shotter...

McHomer says:

This was a great read. Nice work. I look forward to more of your analysis.

Journeyman77 says:

Wow, excellent analysis muh man! You have ably and technically dissected the Floyd-Pac fight dynamics in cogent and seamless terms. This is why i love this site, it gives intelligent boxing articles and analysis rather than unabashedly cheerleading and nuthugging fighters like starstruck schoolgirls, or putting up nonsense and superficial drivel for the sake of hits.

Kudos, TSS.

Journeyman77 says:

Anyway, please don't let anyone forward this gem of an article to any of Mayweather's team, as this insightful work could even drive a deeper wedge in the Pac-May fight realization. lol

ali says:

Amayseng Mayweather doesn't need to be a combination puncher like Marquez because his defense is way better...

Radam G says:

There goes SCLA Ali again with his inattention blindness and ____ _____ _____. Money May's defense is super, but mainly an optical illusion for those who are a bit afraid of him. He is an archmaster of certain tricks of the trade like turning his back and ducking his head below an opponent's waist to throw the pugilist off from hitting him, because the confused cat wrongly avoids hitting him in the back of the body and head. Well, that ain't a boxer's job. If a fighter turns his back on you, you can inadvertently knock da double holy fudge outta him in the back of the body and head. It is the ref's job to tell the bytch to quit turning his back and dropping his head. Money May knows that this trick of the trade defense is a super NO-NO with Da Manny.

And Money May's inadvertent elbow upside da skull and jaw is another trick of the trade that will not work on Da Manny. First of all, Money May puts opponents in a trance trying to defense against that dirty trick of the trade. They halt on focusing on hitting his arse and get obsessed with trying to stop his elbow-upside-da-noggin magic. This jive-turkey ____ won't work against Da Manny, because Da Manny will not fall into a trance and will pop Money May in the rib, neck, ear and temple non-stop. And dat Pac-punch poppin' is going to easily make Money May's elbow magic be stoppin!' You can best your house on that.

In the amateurs Money May lost five bouts -- that I recall. Four were to SOUTHPAWS! Early in Money May's professional career -- when his dad, Pops Joy May was in the "Pen" -- Money May fought Reggie Sanders and got cut up really bad. Pops Joy May called Uncle Roger from the "Pen," and "cussed his a$$ out," and told Uncle Roger to not matched his son against southpaws while he [Pops Joy May] was "locked up in jail."

Southpaws Corley and Judah badly hurt Money May and scored what should have been called knock downs against him. And against converted lefty dumba$$ -- I mean Vicious -- Victor Ortiz, Money May was getting tagged upside the noggin and torso, despite that many have-labeled-themselves experts, who suffered from pure Money May prejudice and inattention blindless claimed that Money May looked sharped. YEA, RIGHT! NYET! He was bytch missin' and head shakin' trying to psych Ortiz off his arse or into doing something stupid. And it worked! Yall know what happened with the help of a-need-to-retire referee.

Bottomline, Money May has the hebejeebeez about fighting the-unafraid-of-his-arse Manny, because Da Manny has the address to a kayo of Money May and Money May knows that a Da Manny heat-seeking missile will locale the kayo spot on Money May's jaw EARLY! In the same fashion of Redcoat Ricky Hatton. Money May dares not face the fate of RRH.

The best fight won of Money May's career will probably always be in the catagory of coulda, woulda, shoulda kicked Da Manny's arse. Because that is the only way that he can do it.

In real time of reality and actuality, Money May just cannot do it, and knows that. Holla!

amayseng says:

@ali, i understand that, but floyd is not a knockout puncher, he has good buzz on his punches but he doesnt starch anyone out and his single shots wont be enough to keep pac from doing what he wants and being active taking rounds..

ali, a 35 year old slower footed and more stationary floyd will have difficulty, this isnt the 31 year old who fought jmm and whos agility was ridiculous..

ali says:

Amayseng I agree with to a certain degree...Mayweather is 35 now and his feet are not as fast as they use to be so that gives Pac a better chance to score...but Mayweather is stronger then what people think and I believe he make Pac fight going backwards like he has with the southpaws he has faced...Money May might not have one punch KO power but he has enough to make Pac think about his defense before he starts throwing all those crazy combinations.

ultimoshogun says:

The biggest factor in this fight will be Floyd's reach advantage combined with his speed...the type of sudden speed Manny hasn't dealt with and will likely have no answer for. Thats how I see it going down if it ever happens.

amayseng says:

speed shouldnt be a problem for pac as he spars khan consistently, khan has fast quick hands..

the problem will be for floyd as pac is faster and quicker than floyd...

floyd had a problem with zabs speed and pac is faster..

Radam G says:

Reach is the last problem of Da Manny. Everybodeee and dey momma, who he fights usually has a reach advantage. And he has still kicked the stuffing outta every one of em. Holla!

Tabugok says:

...As a rule I don't write praises nor bestow accolades to a writer, but I also know when to break the rule when I see one is in order. So far, the most in depth, unbiased and eye opener analysis from a writer that I have ever read. When analyzing the Pacman-Mayweather fight, other writers used this flawed formula, ie: A beats B easily, C struggles against B, therefore, A beats C. Laughable, isn't it? Thank you Mr. Lee Wylie for allowing your brain(logic) rule over your heart(passion). It's a commendable piece worth sharing in other forums.

ali says:

Reach is a major factor....

astig_119 says:

No doubt about your analysis, that's the real reason why he is ducking Pacquiao, common sense will tell. If you are in your right mind and sure you can defeat this Pacquiao, why resort to unnecessary demands, a lot of money is at stake, gosh! Your opinion tells all...more power to you.

Money Jay says:

42-0.....what are ya'll really talking about here? Boy this article brought all the haters out, lol. Pac can come out throwing a tornado of punches, and he will pay..no doubt. Floyd will make the proper adjustments like he always does...Manny is liable to get dropped by Floyd. It's like people are hoping and praying he loses, but in reality, this will be one of Floyds greatest performances....

Radam G says:

In reality and actuality, Money May is more like 40-1-1. He definitely lost bout one to JL Castillo, and was given a gift decision. And the split decision with Big Money O was more like a draw. Keep that imaginary syet that Lil' Floyd will do against Da Manny going. It is probably good for your sanity. Because there is no way on earth, in heaven or hell that Money May can beat Da Manny.

Fess Up, MAN! FESS UP! Let it go! Money May has shock you with his cowardice against Da Manny. Just take some medicine and wake up. You will get over it. Like the late, great songman Teddy Pendergras croons: "I think you better let it go! It's looks like another LOVE TKO!."

Maybe you love nuthugging and bytch riding Money May, but remember that love don't [sic] love nobodeeee [sic]! Holla!

Radam G says:

@Ali, quit agitating and being a ___ ____! Reach will be as much as a problem that it was when David fudged up Goliath. Holla!

brownsugar says:

I thought the author of this piece did a solid job analyzing Marquez's victory over Pac,.. but fails miserably in attempting to make a correlation to Marquez fighting Pac,.. vs Money May fighting Pac.
#1. first,.. you cannot equate stepping forward with being victorious, it's called effective aggression and does not automatically gain the agressor points unless the oponent is consciously trying to avoid battle and clearly Marquez was not running.
#2. Marquez's footwork is pedestrian when compared to Mayweathers'. Mayweather appears to plod, and no longer skips around on his toes,.. but when confronted with a dire situation, he'll spring in or out of position on a dime as the opportunity requires while maximizing optimal positioning.
#3. Of course Marquez's back rarely his the ropes,.... but against Mayweather,... Floyd had Marquez pinned against the ropes numerous times... it was only Marquez's excellent automatic countering response that caused Floyd to back off.
.......If you want to reverse the situation,.. Mayweather frequently fights off the ropes because this is comfortable position for him... if you watch closely he's still able to leverage a solid offense from this position or just sap his opponents energy while increasing their frustration factor.
#4. Mayweather has a molecularly dense muscle mass that's composed primarily of fast twitch muscles vs a Tim Bradley type who looks like he does 1000 pushups a day while curling 50lb dumb bells. This enables him to be the stronger boxer even when he's outweighed by 15+ lbs on fight night because he's focused on delivery of his arsenal and positioning rather than trying to lift his opponent off the canvas and powerslam him into the turnbuckles.
#5. Mayweather is not a one handed fighter.... yes he'll use the right hand over and over when the opportunity arises or if an opponent can't prevent him from landing. However he can switch his arsenal and vary his attatck upon demand. He'll go to the body, land uppercuts and combinate if necessary.
#6. Conclusion: There is absolutely no comparison with how Marquez fought Manny and how Mayweather would box Manny. It would be an entirely different fight with Floyd demonstrating skills that even the future HOFmer Marquez wouldn't be able to imitate.

Radam G says:

Different strokes for different folks, B-Sug. Money May ain't Marquez and Money May knows that. And Money May knows what will happen to him against Da Manny. I know that you have a hard time accepting actuality and reality, so you will forever remain in reality distortion. And in that state of mind is the only state that Money May will beat Da Manny in. Money Money knows it.

If Miguel Cotto turns southpaw and shift punch on Money May, Money May will have a difficult time and will probably sh*t his pants. Holla!

brownsugar says:

Wow RG,... your actually saying I need a shrink?,...personally I think I do pretty well with Person/Place/and Time Perspectives,.. If I catch myself slipping I'll ask Mortcola if he takes walk-ins.. What part of my theory did you not like or believe? I've got tons of more data and detail. I can't speak to why the fight hasn't happened yet. But if it ever did, I can't see Pac going the distance. Made to order Pac is.

Radam G says:

Naku -- I mean WOW! There is no need to put words in my mouth. I never pretend to know the mindset or fate of another man. We are our own monsters. "Data and detail" is a just a latent term for inattention blindness. Some many of you guys suffer from it. And because people often see what they believe, they have tons of this and that, which usually amount to ____ ______ ______!

YUP! I can name tons of "made to order" _____ that kick da sh*t out of that type of _____ ____ thinking. YUP! Da Manny would never go the distance, because Money May would be KTFO in less than six rounds. YUP! I'm reminded of all those who didn't go the distance, because they always KAYOED the sorry-arse, loud-arse Goliath, who everybodee and dey momma and everybody and his cousin and every playa pimp and his hos thought was all that and a bag of chips.

Money May is a great actor to his _______ ___ ___. Some people believe anything. I guess you probably believe the part that Money May was ready to wire 40mils to Da Manny. Yup! Bytchy -- I mean Money -- May can't even paid his taxes or house note on time. But he has 40mil to give. Dude does it well: LIES!

Everything is good, B-Sug! I've never walked in your shoes, but I understand "This is the one for our people" nonsense belief. He'd never lose." Da muthasucka Money May has already been beaten in reality and actuality. And he is one ___ _____ _____! Holla!

MARK LENNOX says:

Fantastic story, really enjoyed your analysis of these two boxers, look forward to reading more of your articles in the near future

Riggo44 says:

A very good analysis and fun read. Many thanks for this piece as it gives me a lot to look for in clips. It's nice to finally have in-depth boxing articles on the web. Kudos.

Riggo44 says:

A very good analysis and fun read. Many thanks for this piece as it gives me a lot to look for in clips. It's nice to finally have in-depth boxing articles on the web. Kudos.

Riggo44 says:

A very good analysis and fun read. Many thanks for this piece as it gives me a lot to look for in clips. It's nice to finally have in-depth boxing articles on the web. Kudos.

brownsugar says:

@RG,.. so you answer my question without answering my question. that's fine,.. let me know when you are able to present any kind of logical scenario of How Pac could win against the self proclaimed Money Man.

Radam G says:

So-called logical scenario is not what the sweet science is about. "Try the theatre of the unexpected." Logical scenario didn't help Ducker -- I mean Sugar -- Ray Robinson against Carmen Basilio. Didn't help Jersey Joe Walcott against young Rocky Marciano. Didn't help Liston against young Clay. Didn't help Hitman Hearns against Iran Barkley. Didn't help Dela Hoya against young Manny Pacquiao. And Logical scenario didn't help Goliath against young, small David. And most all, Logical scenario didn't help the Buffalo Soldiers against the Pinoy whup-dat-a$$ warriors during the American-Philippines War.

You stick with the logical scenario syet that doesn't work 90 percent of the time, and I will stick with: F*ck da talk! Just do da walk. If Money May grow some cojones and take that walk, he knows that he will disappoint 40 million ____ ______ ____, who believes in nonsense about sports that they now use the Bell curve to justify their myths about superiority. Holla!

mortcola says:

Wow RG,... your actually saying I need a shrink?,...personally I think I do pretty well with Person/Place/and Time Perspectives,.. If I catch myself slipping I'll ask Mortcola if he takes walk-ins.. What part of my theory did you not like or believe? I've got tons of more data and detail. I can't speak to why the fight hasn't happened yet. But if it ever did, I can't see Pac going the distance. Made to order Pac is.


Just a quick phone call first, please. I don't want to scare my more respectable clients.

brownsugar says:

LOL,... yeah, and I promise not to pay with a bounced check. .

brownsugar says:

RG,... stop trying to put Mayweather in the chitlin bag of stereo types,.. he's recognized universally as being one of the more intelligent fighters in the ring and for right reason... and Pac isn't exactly what you would call stupid either,.. he follows his instructions to a "T",...... you need to grow out of that black vs brown mentality... Pac's ethnicity doesn't win fights,..this is a contest between athletes,... not a RACE WAR......... I just want somebody,.. anybody,... to tell me, how he's gonna neutralize Mayweather once they square off,... and they will square off some day... obviously you cannot answer the question... is there anyone else????

Radam G says:

I don't have a clue what you are talking about, B-Sug! Da Manny's reality, actuality, intuition, boxing savvy and just doing da dang thang [sic] are what will give him the victory. Not some reality distortion, imaginary edges of size and reach and boxing IQ, which is just a coded term for race superiority belief of the people who are fond of using it. The late, gambling man "Jimmy The" (a$$hole) -- I mean "Greek" would love 'em.

Of course, Da Manny and Money May will not be in a race war to anyone but the blacks who are proud racists and maybe about three Pinoys and two white drunks and one Latin on crack and one self-hating Asian. Actually Da Manny will be fighting for the national honor of about 141 tribes -- many which are black in hue and a few which are white in hue -- of the Philippines. [The Philippines is very diverse, and you know that.] But Money May has already double talk and said that he (Lil' Floyd) is fighting for himself at one time, then "African Americans," at another time and then, of course for all U.S. Americans. And then he follow that with "Manny is just stealing money in America and then taking it oversea for terrorists and people who hate us."

Da Manny would neutralize Money May with a whoosp upside da head and a KaBOOM, OH SH*T to da gut and a BANG, BANG, BANG, KaPOW, KaZUNK! CRASH! KAPOOT!... "Mayweather is down...And the referee can count to 2 million, Lil' Floyd will not be getting up. Now we see why he long duck the TYPHOON from the Phillippines." Holla!

Goranuk says:

BRAVO!!A very good analysis and fun read. Many thanks for this piece!!

batoti says:

Lee Wylie you are great !! this is the most honest and the best analysis i have read.

I have watch the replay of Judah vs Money Gay. Judah was winning until the 5th round. Putting PAcman on that fight will murder the gayweather. Adding the speed power, aggressiveness that Manny has with explosiveness and Stamina.

The Money boils its meat until such time its soft and tender, before he eats it. He wont be able to employ that tactics to Manny. Because the meat is not a meat "its a machine"

Radam G says:

I'm exhausted! These blueprints of everybodeee and dey mommas are giving me a black out. I need to holla at my boys in black-ops and psy-ops. Maybe they can give me a blueprint to get everyone and his cousin to STFU! Hehehehe! I'm just jiving and conviving and high fiving. Holla!

thebitterscience says:

"Nearly every great fighter throughout history had an opponent, who may not have been as talented or as skilled, yet proved to be more than their match because of a stylistic contrast. Muhammad Ali had Ken Norton, Manny Pacquiao has Juan Manuel Marquez."

No, Pacquiao has Tim Bradley. And Tim did it with only 1 foot.

brownsugar says:

Quick toasted logic feel good to casual observers but it's built upon a shake premise. If Pac doesn't have the speed dexterity or boxing skill to handle Marquez and barely enough to handle Bradley... how will he ever beat Floyd?

Radam G says:

Wow! What type of ALTERNATE reality are these haters in? PacMan KICKED Marquez's crybaby arse three times -- two officially and a scored-wrongly draw. And Bradley got his arse tore up and got a racist/jingoistic gift. Da Tom bambi was running so fast to survive -- not win. And THAT IS why dat big-footed muthachump almost burnt off his giant-@ss feet from his legs. But all is GOOD! Karma EXISTS!

Bradley WAS used by bigots, and they will now abandon him. "Payback is a muthafu**er," I heard. But CHEATBACK is even worst. The same black legion groups that put Tim Bradley on a pedestal for their racist, jingoistic cheat of Da Manny will get Bradley in December in Miami or a fight or two after that, at the most.

I know how the game works. It was slightly better when the mafia was running syet. These billionaire entertainment mafiosos are dark legionaire ___ ___ ___! Now __ _ is back in the hands of these racists and bigots ov'a herre and ov'a derre! I'm not scare of monsters hiding in shade, and I will call a spade a spade. Too many ways of bad thinking are "The Ugly American" made. Holla!

amayseng says:

Quick toasted logic feel good to casual observers but it's built upon a shake premise. If Pac doesn't have the speed dexterity or boxing skill to handle Marquez and barely enough to handle Bradley... how will he ever beat Floyd?


come on dude, triangle theories....really?
jmm is one of the best counter punchers in the game the last 15 years......
pac took 10/12 rounds from bradley....
floyd is the superior boxer to pac, but pac has superior power and agility.....a 38 year old mosley almost had floyd out of there 5 years ago....
one punch can change the game bro

Mr. Lex Luthor says:

Congratulations to the administrator of this article for creating a lovely piece of fiction that plays on the emotions of the Floyd haters and gives them a glimmer of hope that Manny can defeat Floyd. Allow me to interject some reality, the administrator states that JMM knows Manny better than anyone because of the amount of rounds they have spent in the ring together, well with all that knowledge, JMM not only believes Floyd would win but JMM is on record saying he would never fight Floyd again. Reality #2, Manny enjoys certain physical advantages over his opponents, but he does not against Floyd, not only is Manny's usual speed advantage nonexistent against Floyd but he is also giving up size, reach, accuracy, ring general-ship, defense and overall boxing skills. In what world does that equate victory?!? It is ridiculous to suggest Manny has a blueprint for Floyd but he has no such blueprint for lesser boxers named Marquez and Bradley. It is nice to sit around and fantasize about ways Manny could beat Floyd but there are numerous reasons why damn near all expert analysts pick Floyd over Manny. Anyone can conjure up theories to support the underdog but in the famous words of Apollo Creed, "he fights great, but I am a great fighter". Fiction is a great read and makes great movies but in the real world, the great fighter wins 9 out 10.

Mr. Lex Luthor says:

Hmmnmm...if Manny has so much "agility", why does he get hit so much? The object of boxing is to hit without being hit. Floyd has mastered that. That is evidenced by the fact people can remember the few times that Floyd has actually been hit. Floyd is so good that people were all excited that Cotto hit him. Let's put this in perspective, a boxer actually got hit in a championship bout....wow!!!

amayseng says:

Hmmnmm...if Manny has so much "agility", why does he get hit so much? The object of boxing is to hit without being hit. Floyd has mastered that. That is evidenced by the fact people can remember the few times that Floyd has actually been hit. Floyd is so good that people were all excited that Cotto hit him. Let's put this in perspective, a boxer actually got hit in a championship bout....wow!!!


has it never crossed your mind that pac uses his agility for offense not defense? foot agility to create angles and get in to throw combinations? have you not thought of that?


floyd is the superior boxer but manny could propose certain problems that could cause
floyd to have some difficulty.

floyd is not faster or quicker than pacman, pacs hands are faster...

you should really step in the ring and put in some rounds, you may start to see things
differently..

you can NOT use triangle theories, just because floyd shut out an outstanding fighter in jmm making it look like a sparring session does not mean that pac will be easy work because pac has trouble with jmm

i mean, pac blew cotto out of the water, and floyd had a tough fight with cotto although

i had him winning...

see dude, you cant use triangle theories, styles make fights....

MisterLee says:

Nice piece.

Mr. Lex Luthor says:

First of all you shouldn't make assumptions of another man's ring experience without the benefit of knowledge. Secondly, the ultimate goal boxing is to hit without getting hit. If Manny had the agility to do that, he would. Floyd uses his agility to avoid taking punches while still being any extremely accurate puncher. Manny is not faster than Floyd. Manny's angles is an overhyped premise. If his angles were so effective, he wouldn't get hit so much. Reality check, Manny fought Cotto when he was a less confident fighter and somewhat weight drained which benefited Manny while stepped up to a confident Cotto at his preferred weight. All opponents could cause any boxers problems but Floyd's overall skill set is greater than Manny's. Manny's only legitimate chance is a puncher's chance, but realistic is that when Manny has not been able to KO, not TKO, any true welterweights?? Being able to overwhelm flat footed, defense deficient Cotto and Margarito is not the same as facing a Floyd Mayweather who is not going to fight your fight in an attempt to please fans.

The Good Doctor says:

First of all you shouldn't make assumptions of another man's ring experience without the benefit of knowledge. Secondly, the ultimate goal boxing is to hit without getting hit. If Manny had the agility to do that, he would. Floyd uses his agility to avoid taking punches while still being any extremely accurate puncher. Manny is not faster than Floyd. Manny's angles is an overhyped premise. If his angles were so effective, he wouldn't get hit so much. Reality check, Manny fought Cotto when he was a less confident fighter and somewhat weight drained which benefited Manny while stepped up to a confident Cotto at his preferred weight. All opponents could cause any boxers problems but Floyd's overall skill set is greater than Manny's. Manny's only legitimate chance is a puncher's chance, but realistic is that when Manny has not been able to KO, not TKO, any true welterweights?? Being able to overwhelm flat footed, defense deficient Cotto and Margarito is not the same as facing a Floyd Mayweather who is not going to fight your fight in an attempt to please fans.


Like your thoughts. Contrary to popular belief, I don't believe Pac has the blueprint to beat Money. In my opinion, Cotto showed the best blueprint we have seen so far to beat Floyd. Cotto possessed the following:

1. Significant weight advantage. Floyd came in that fight at the mid 150's according to all outlets. Cotto came into that fight easily over 160.

2. Consistent but calculated pressure. Cotto pressed Floyd but not in a wild way. He took his shots often, but not haphazardly.

3. Jab, Jab, Jab. Cotto popped the jab all night.

4. Little roughhousing. Cotto played a little dirty in the tie ups. He grabbed and clinched and even took a cheap shot or two if you look closely. This actually matches Floyd's style too. Many people don't realize that Floyd can play a little dirty if you pay attention. He especially loves to use his elbows.

In my humble opinion, I am not sure that Pac is capable of any of the above. That is why I have Floyd beating Pac 8-4 maybe 7-5. All in all though, my analysis means squat. I just want them to fight.

dino da vinci says:

Like your thoughts. Contrary to popular belief, I don't believe Pac has the blueprint to beat Money. In my opinion, Cotto showed the best blueprint we have seen so far to beat Floyd. Cotto possessed the following:

1. Significant weight advantage. Floyd came in that fight at the mid 150's according to all outlets. Cotto came into that fight easily over 160.

2. Consistent but calculated pressure. Cotto pressed Floyd but not in a wild way. He took his shots often, but not haphazardly.

3. Jab, Jab, Jab. Cotto popped the jab all night.

4. Little roughhousing. Cotto played a little dirty in the tie ups. He grabbed and clinched and even took a cheap shot or two if you look closely. This actually matches Floyd's style too. Many people don't realize that Floyd can play a little dirty if you pay attention. He especially loves to use his elbows.

In my humble opinion, I am not sure that Pac is capable of any of the above. That is why I have Floyd beating Pac 8-4 maybe 7-5. All in all though, my analysis means squat. I just want them to fight.


I'm in agreeance with the Good Doctor.

Obviously, anyone is capable of turning a fight on a single punch. But since that is what the opponent is working towards not to let happen, it creates the dialog of, barring something unforeseen, knowing what we know, this most likely should happen.
I know of no other fight in boxing history where two men on a collision course to meet, has been more discussed. I would also add that one particular journalist loves to mention that boxing is not a sport, it's a business. WRONG. That's part of the con, the built in, acceptable excuse. My take: History will not be kind to Floyd on the handling of this bout as to why it didn't happen or why it took so long if it eventually does. I've long been on record that Floyd is favored to win if and when that day comes. But when it comes, and he finally beats a shopworn Manny, it'll have no real value on the resume. As it pertains to greatness, it's the Roy Jones, Jr argument all over again.

Radam G says:

NOT in agreement! Da Manny wins by KAYO, EARLY! Holla!

MisterLee says:

Like your thoughts. Contrary to popular belief, I don't believe Pac has the blueprint to beat Money. In my opinion, Cotto showed the best blueprint we have seen so far to beat Floyd. Cotto possessed the following:

1. Significant weight advantage. Floyd came in that fight at the mid 150's according to all outlets. Cotto came into that fight easily over 160.

2. Consistent but calculated pressure. Cotto pressed Floyd but not in a wild way. He took his shots often, but not haphazardly.

3. Jab, Jab, Jab. Cotto popped the jab all night.

4. Little roughhousing. Cotto played a little dirty in the tie ups. He grabbed and clinched and even took a cheap shot or two if you look closely. This actually matches Floyd's style too. Many people don't realize that Floyd can play a little dirty if you pay attention. He especially loves to use his elbows.

In my humble opinion, I am not sure that Pac is capable of any of the above. That is why I have Floyd beating Pac 8-4 maybe 7-5. All in all though, my analysis means squat. I just want them to fight.


Nice. Getting floyd on the ropes and throwing punches in bunches, and throwing that looping right over floyd's shoulder worked sometimes... Roach had Oscar to do that and Cotto was the first person who capitalized on that game plan since Oscar. Also Cotto liked to strategically place his head by Floyd's left elbow which took away the power of his left inside and would force him to hook or loop a short right hand which is hard to get leverage or power from in order to hit cotto at all.

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

I agree with the "The Good Doctor." I see the fight being 8 rounds to 4 or 9 rounds to 3 in favor of Mayweather. Mayweather has clearly lost a little of his athletic ability, but so has Pac. Anything could happen, but Mayweather has to be the favorite because he has too many advantages (size, skill, ring generalship, ring savvy). Ring savvy is the most important advantage in my opinion and is an area that Manny is weak in. Manny does not adjust well to his opponent and Floyd does this instantly or round by round. Manny does well against fighters that are plodders and come straight to him, but struggles with fighters that move fairly well. Mosely and Bradley gave Manny problems with their movement, yes he dominated, but should have been able to finish both fighters! However, his lack of skill (cutting off the ring, boxing 101) and ring savvy insured that the fights would go to the scorecards. With the exception of being caught by a big punch, Mayweather has too much skill, intelligence, and heart to lose to a fighter as limited as Pac, holla!

Radam G says:

Da Manny has the blueprint to beat "Lil" Floyd "Money May" Mayweather's Pops Joy May's bootlegged shoulder roll any day of the week. That shoulder-roll jive is not even any real Philly-crab/shell-fighting style syet. Pops Joy made it up and taught it to his seed Lil' Floyd in the front yard of the rented house that Pops Joy got with drug-pushing money back in da day.

President candidate Mick Romney and Money May are both Michigan born, and are the BIGGEST flip floppers, straight-up lying muthasuckas of our times. I wonder if Fam May are flip-flopping, fibbing Republicans on a mission of hatred of the 47 percent.

Just like old Mick, Lil' Floyd is a D__! [Fill in the blank.] And a small one at that. He "has to be the favorite because he has too many advantages..." The biggest one is ALTERNATE REALITY behind him. The other one, is that you have many fanfaronades making up syet and buying it off one another. I'm rented of those bytch-arse Sin City cheats.

John Sununu says that Romney has too much intelligence for "lazy" Prez O. Other haters and bigots claim Prez O is "the weakest, dumbest" presidents of all times. Despite that Prez O is beat the hebejeebeez outta of terrorist knuckle O and buried dat punk's arse at the bottom of the ocean. And, of course, Prez O saved the USA from sinking into the biggest depression EVER!

Da Manny beat da hebejeebeez outta an ebonic sugarman and an ebonic mirageman, who were so frighten that they messed up their feet running like bambi bytches and try to quit. Save an old, wise genie and an one-eye-seeing aztec warrior talking those cowards outta of quitting.

OMFG! Nowhere will illusions like SRD come from any place on the map, but the U.S. America mainland. And nowhere will people accept bullsyetology coming from Team-and-Groupie Romney and Team-and-Groupie Money May in any place, but in the craniums of the Ugly ___ ____! Holla!

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

Da Manny has the blueprint to beat "Lil" Floyd "Money May" Mayweather's Pops Joy May's bootlegged shoulder roll any day of the week. That shoulder-roll jive is not even any real Philly-crab/shell-fighting style syet. Pops Joy made it up and taught it to his seed Lil' Floyd in the front yard of the rented house that Pops Joy got with drug-pushing money back in da day.

President candidate Mick Romney and Money May are both Michigan born, and are the BIGGEST flip floppers, straight-up lying muthasuckas of our times. I wonder if Fam May are flip-flopping, fibbing Republicans on a mission of hatred of the 47 percent.

Just like old Mick, Lil' Floyd is a D__! [Fill in the blank.] And a small one at that. He "has to be the favorite because he has too many advantages..." The biggest one is ALTERNATE REALITY behind him. The other one, is that you have many fanfaronades making up syet and buying it off one another. I'm rented of those bytch-arse Sin City cheats.

John Sununu says that Romney has too much intelligence for "lazy" Prez O. Other haters and bigots claim Prez O is "the weakest, dumbest" presidents of all times. Despite that Prez O is beat the hebejeebeez outta of terrorist knuckle O and buried dat punk's arse at the bottom of the ocean. And, of course, Prez O saved the USA from sinking into the biggest depression EVER!

Da Manny beat da hebejeebeez outta an ebonic sugarman and an ebonic mirageman, who were so frighten that they messed up their feet running like bambi bytches and try to quit. Save an old, wise genie and an one-eye-seeing aztec warrior talking those cowards outta of quitting.

OMFG! Nowhere will illusions like SRD come from any place on the map, but the U.S. America mainland. And nowhere will people accept bullsyetology coming from Team-and-Groupie Romney and Team-and-Groupie Money May in any place, but in the craniums of the Ugly ___ ____! Holla!


All I can say is that Manny has lost numerous times, thus there is a blueprint to defeating him. I can't say the same for Mayweather! I can name a few other fighters that I would favor to defeat Manny, his hype is far greater than his ability inside of the square circle. Manny is in a world of trouble if he isn't facing a fighter at a "catch weight" or a fighter that is one dimensional and can only come forward. Pac-Man, Canelo, and JCC jr. are the most proctected and over rated fighters in the game. I won't be suprised if the law of averages catch up to Manny and he loses a split decision to Marquez; thats what I'm predicting! As my man Bob Marley so eloquently stated on the infamous track "Get Up, Stand Up." "You can't fool all the people all of the time (Bob Marley)." Holla!

Radam G says:

Money May is a DUCKER as a professional. He is the Sugar Ray Robinson of our days without the pink cadolack [sic]. Hehehe! But I give Money May props. He fought in pink gloves in some of his October bouts to show love for defeating beast cancer of the mothers of humanity.

You are ethnically-challenged obsessed with Da Manny. Of course a lot of people can beat him. A lot can beat us all, but they don't always have the chance. There were those who could beat Rocky Marciano. And you'd say bad things about him. There were those who could beat Slappy Joe Calzaghe. And you'd say bad things about him. There were those who could beat Ricardo "Finito" Lopez. And you'd say bad things about him.

See, the different in the above, is that they fought the best around during their era, and stayed undefeated. Money May DUCKED and DUCKED! He coulda, woulda, shoulda fought Da Manny so that the likes of me can shut the HECK UP. BUT Money May is typical of many Talking-tough bad @sses. They are LIARS and BIG COWARDS with a lot of optical illusions -- more than the world best magicans. Holla!

Radam G says:

The Davids of optical illusions -- magicans David Blaine and David Copperfield -- ought to do some Sin City magic to trick Money May into that squared jungle across from Da Manny, so that Da Manny could pretend to be bibical David, and get a peddle and a slingshot and WHACK Money May upside his whuppin' babies' mommas ebonic Goliath HEAD.

All of his groupies will be doing a Jamestown. At least Michiganite Romney is lying and bullsh*ting like the __ ___ that he is with his optical illusions and monsters in shadows and a make-believe dummy. weakling Prez. Holla!

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

The Davids of optical illusions -- magicans David Blaine and David Copperfield -- ought to do some Sin City magic to trick Money May into that squared jungle across from Da Manny, so that Da Manny could pretend to be bibical David, and get a peddle and a slingshot and WHACK Money May upside his whuppin' babies' mommas ebonic Goliath HEAD.

All of his groupies will be doing a Jamestown. At least Michiganite Romney is lying and bullsh*ting like the __ ___ that he is with his optical illusions and monsters in shadows and a make-believe dummy. weakling Prez. Holla!


I'm crossing my fingers hoping Manny can get by Marquez because my gut feeling tells me that the fourth time is the charm for Marquez. If Manny loses to Marquez, the Mayweather fight obviously goes down the drain. However, if Manny wins and stands by his word of taking the smaller cut of the purse; I believe we will see Mayweather put a Grand Rapids, Michigan beating on Pac-Man.

brownsugar says:

I have no doubt about that outcome Shoulder Roll,.. I'm quite sure it would be a good fight too... but Arum already has Pac's dance card planned out on April 2013, (yes even before Pac can get into the ring with Marquez,.. Pac's next fight is already planned by the BobFather).

This shows the sincererity or insincerity of Arum's desire to have his fighter face Floyd before he contracts arthiritis...or starts showing patches of grey hair.
This whole thing has become a farce.. and fans are finally beginning to point their fingers at the true source.

Mr. Lex Luthor says:

If Arum announcing Manny next fight on April 20, while he in training and preparing to fight JMM in Dec, doesn't speak volumes.....I don't know what does. If Arum wanted a legitimate chance at a Mayweather fight, he would never have pulled a calculated move like this. I'm preparing for Mayweather vs Canelo on Cinco.

Radam G says:

Keep dreaming, SRD. I expect to hear the same excuses that was laid down in this Universe for Big Money O when Da Manny made him quit.

Marquez will finally be KTFO! And then Money May will get the same Buffalo Soldier beatdown that his third-degree grangfather got at Samar, Philippes between 1900 and 1902.

I just hope that you do not become Jamestown dislusional and start gulping down that red-colored koolaid after your demigod is EASILY KTFO! Hehe! Holla!

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

I have no doubt about that outcome Shoulder Roll,.. I'm quite sure it would be a good fight too... but Arum already has Pac's dance card planned out on April 2013, (yes even before Pac can get into the ring with Marquez,.. Pac's next fight is already planned by the BobFather).

This shows the sincererity or insincerity of Arum's desire to have his fighter face Floyd before he contracts arthiritis...or starts showing patches of grey hair.
This whole thing has become a farce.. and fans are finally beginning to point their fingers at the true source.


I always appreciate your post B-Sug because you are non-biased and a student of the game! If the fight ever happens, Pac will get beat like he stole something lol.

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

I have no doubt about that outcome Shoulder Roll,.. I'm quite sure it would be a good fight too... but Arum already has Pac's dance card planned out on April 2013, (yes even before Pac can get into the ring with Marquez,.. Pac's next fight is already planned by the BobFather).

This shows the sincererity or insincerity of Arum's desire to have his fighter face Floyd before he contracts arthiritis...or starts showing patches of grey hair.
This whole thing has become a farce.. and fans are finally beginning to point their fingers at the true source.


I always appreciate your post B-Sug because you are non-biased and a student of the game! If the fight ever happens, Pac will get beat like he stole something lol.

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

Keep dreaming, SRD. I expect to hear the same excuses that was laid down in this Universe for Big Money O when Da Manny made him quit.

Marquez will finally be KTFO! And then Money May will get the same Buffalo Soldier beatdown that his third-degree grangfather got at Samar, Philippes between 1900 and 1902.

I just hope that you do not become Jamestown dislusional and start gulping down that red-colored koolaid after your demigod is EASILY KTFO! Hehe! Holla!


Stop kidding yourself, Pac will get a Ferdinand Magellan beat down handed out to him in true Spanish Conquistador fashion if you want to go there. If Pac can beat Marquez, maybe his daddy Arum will throw him to the big bad wolf, better known as Mayweather, holla!

Radam G says:

Danggit! SRD, "Tales of the Hood" is some real syet. Fredinand Magellan got his dang head chop off by Pinoy warrior Lapu-Lapu. You are not one of the brightest lights in the universe. Are you? If you are going to spit sh*t for your demigod, know before you go. Danggit! Talking about being a bobo!

Now I see why my peeps are recruited to the U.S. mainland to teach the kids in da hood. Y'all cannot get syet right. You may want reschool yourself or holla at some refresher courses. Your __ __ is weak.

If Money May would believe the jive of his groupies like you, his @ss would have been KAYOed! Holla!

Radam G says:

Oh,YUP! Lapu-Lapu was a southpaw and Fredinand Magellan was a crybaby bytch who brought his black slaves to the P-Island. We just whupped the @sses of those who tried to defend their demigod slaver and freed them, and let them stay in the islands.

Uncle Roger May is right that "most people don't know syet 'bout boksin!'" They don't know syet about the Philippines or Pinoys neither. Holla!

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

Danggit! SRD, "Tales of the Hood" is some real syet. Fredinand Magellan got his dang head chop off by Pinoy warrior Lapu-Lapu. You are not one of the brightest lights in the universe. Are you? If you are going to spit sh*t for your demigod, know before you go. Danggit! Talking about being a bobo!

Now I see why my peeps are recruited to the U.S. mainland to teach the kids in da hood. Y'all cannot get syet right. You may want reschool yourself or holla at some refresher courses. Your __ __ is weak.

If Money May would believe the jive of his groupies like you, his @ss would have been KAYOed! Holla!


The bottom line is that the Spanish kicked off in that a$$, don't go there, you probably have a Spanish last name. Like I told you a year ago, keep the post about boxing.

Radam G says:

Bottomline, your @ss lost and you are loss. And you cannot handle it. That would be technically a Latin name, dude. You just cannot get syet right. At least Money May can. Hlooa!

Radam G says:

The Spaniards and the Yanks lived on about 20 of our nearly 8,000 Islands. And they kicked nobody @ss. They paid to stay until we no longer liked the pay. Then we kicked their @sses out. And that is real dude. No Hollywood syet -- the type of history probably in your cranium. Holla!

Mr. Lex Luthor says:

So the roughly 400 years that the Philippines were conquered and occupied by the Spanish, Japanese, America, etc....., didn't exist?

Radam G says:

Dang dat dude is slow up in the peabrain! Nobody has said anything about not conquering syet. In what way and how much were what the conversation was about.

Danggit! That is why Mick Romney hate his 47 percentage @ss and want to fire "Big Bird." Comprehension is not a strong point of this stalker -- know-nothing @$$ talker. Dude is a _ ___ __!

One thing that is apparent, education didn't come close to conquering old boy's peabrain. It is gonna rain. He will probably ask why is the sky pissing. Hehe! That's nasty! Holla!

Radam G says:

So roughly about BLANK, BLANK and BLANK years, ___ _ ___ ___ has occupied and conquered the mind of the villian of Superman. Hahaha! Dude's been sippin' his own type of kryptonite. That ain't right! Da ___ ___ is one mean kite. Move on!

I'm not up in your grill, so go somewhere else and get your fill and thrill. Holla!

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

The Spaniards and the Yanks lived on about 20 of our nearly 8,000 Islands. And they kicked nobody @ss. They paid to stay until we no longer liked the pay. Then we kicked their @sses out. And that is real dude. No Hollywood syet -- the type of history probably in your cranium. Holla!


That isn't what my Negrito Filipino brothers told me, holla!

Radam G says:

Go back to posting about the other subject called boxing that you fake about. A Pinoys know when you are being a d@mn phony. "Negrito" is your bulljive label that you call our fellow tribesmen/women. Are you an ebonic-colored Mick Romney or something? Like him, you just make up syet and fly with it.

Agtas, Atis, Aytis, Aetas and Dumugas, to name a few of the Pinoy black tribes, are xenophobic and most of the time straight uncommunicated to black horny/corny-@ss Yanks. So quit your juvenile lying and call a spade a spade. Ninety-nine percent of black Pinoys are pure from mingling with outsiders. Other than money and miltitary business or to kick their @sses for some type of crime against one of the tribes.

STFU SRD! And stick with your __ __ __ on boxing and boxers. Holla!

Radam G says:

That will be my LAST comment on that subject. Holla!

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

That will be my LAST comment on that subject. Holla!


Thank God, I've been trying to get you to holler only about boxing for about a year. I'm done with this too, but on a final note my Negrito Filipino brother told me to post this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf0A7YqFPPs&feature=relmfu

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

[QUOTE=Radam G;20921]That will be my LAST comment on that subject. Holla![/QUOTE]

Thank God, I've been trying to get you to holler only about boxing for about a year. I'm done with this too, but on a final note my Negrito Filipino brother told me to post this:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf0A7YqFPPs&feature=relmfu

the Roast says:

I'd say this thread has not only driven off the road but it has gone off the road, flipped over the cliff, burst into flames and landed on a school bus full of kids. Lets get back to this when and if Floyd and Manny sign a contract to box. Until then I don't want to hear about it.

Mr. Lex Luthor says:

This gibberish doesn't qualify as English or any other recognizable language, "In what way and how much were what...". Who is Mick Romney? Is that Mitt's brother? With the overabundance of gibberish that you submit, it is very funny that you have the audacity to mention "education"....ever!! It still amazes me how much effort and energy you put into typing incoherent dribble. You should be banned from posting and arrested for crimes against literature.

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

[QUOTE=the Roast;20945]I'd say this thread has not only driven off the road but it has gone off the road, flipped over the cliff, burst into flames and landed on a school bus full of kids. Lets get back to this when and if Floyd and Manny sign a contract to box. Until then I don't want to hear about it.[/QUOTE]

Lol, I agree.

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

[QUOTE=Mr. Lex Luthor;20948]This gibberish doesn't qualify as English or any other recognizable language, "In what way and how much were what...". Who is Mick Romney? Is that Mitt's brother? With the overabundance of gibberish that you submit, it is very funny that you have the audacity to mention "education"....ever!! It still amazes me how much effort and energy you put into typing incoherent dribble. You should be banned from posting and arrested for crimes against literature.[/QUOTE]

You have to admit that you start laughing until you realize that he is serious lol.

Radam G says:

Talkin' 'bout Mickey Mouse yo ___. Mitty is da otha ___ in da dytch! Hehe! Criminal dat! Hehe! Buy yo'self a clue. How juvenile dat yo makin' datdatdat noise to even be a readin' such gibberish to only language. Dat kryptonite sippin' ready got yo @ss fudged up. Go find Superman and git yo bootah da hebejeebeez out. I kno' dat ya' a be syetin' yo pants evy'time dat Clark Kent farts. Hehehe! Now B! Put dat time in readin' me gibberish 'cause you is one bright deligh muthasuckin' joke! Hahaha! Yo oughta be gittin' on da subject of boksing. OOPS! I musta' fo'got! Yo evil-crime bootah don't kno' syet 'bout dat. Gibberish Hohohoholla!

Radam G says:

Talkin' 'bout Mickey Mouse yo ___. Mitty is da otha ___ in da dytch! Hehe! Criminal dat! Hehe! Buy yo'self a clue. How juvenile dat yo makin' datdatdat noise to even be a readin' such gibberish to only language. Dat kryptonite sippin' ready got yo @ss fudged up. Go find Superman and git yo bootah da hebejeebeez out. I kno' dat ya' a be syetin' yo pants evy'time dat Clark Kent farts. Hehehe! Now B! Put dat time in readin' me gibberish 'cause you is one bright deligh muthasuckin' joke! Hahaha! Yo oughta be gittin' on da subject of boksing. OOPS! I musta' fo'got! Yo evil-crime bootah don't kno' syet 'bout dat. Gibberish Hohohoholla!

Radam G says:

Any day of da week I got some strong gibberish for a weak-@ss cyperspace dimwit to crash into. OMFG! Why don't these on-low hos go and catch a D word that rhymes with trick. Hehe! Dey can be uh energizin' (sic) dat. Nasty muthasuckas. Haha!

I juz' be uh havin' mad luv fo' diz universe. Holla!

Radam G says:

I bet dat 47-percent shoulder break @$$ lost his J-O-B. Hahaha! Holla!

Radam G says:

I bet dat 47-percent shoulder break @$$ lost his J-O-B. Hahaha! Holla!

Radam G says:

He and his evil-comic sickkick -- I mean sidekick -- probably have low T. This would explain why they are acting like a couple of bytches stalkin' da one and only Radam G. Danggit!

Dem' be actin' like dey have G-strings struck all up in dey @$$es. Somebody tell 'em hos dat diz is a free Universe. Ain't no'bodee gonna pay 'em herre fo' dey nasty-@$$ stuff. Danggit! Dem low-budget hos oughta quit dat jive. Hehehe! Dey don't be ashamed. Haha! Holla!

dino da vinci says:

Wow! You walk away for a few minutes and all heck breaks loose. Just read a couple of the posts and must admit, found them rather amusing. Roaster, you sleigh me (Santa).

dino da vinci says:

Wow! You walk away for a few minutes and all heck breaks loose. Just read a couple of the posts and must admit, found them rather amusing. Roaster, you sleigh me (Santa).

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Hendizzle9400 says:

Mayweather gets far too much credit for his dominating performance vs Juan Manuel Marquez. Marquez was a 36 yr old fighter with 55 pro fights only 5 above 126 lbs & none above 135 lbs. They fought at Welterweight 2 weight classes above his highest weight to date.

saguirre760 says:

Nicely said! I have always said that JMM puts himself in better offensive positions than Floyd does; he has that Mexican warrior spirit that Floyd obviously doesn't have; Pacquiao would certainly give him fits enough to potentially come out with a decision cuz of increased activity and his southpaw stance! JMM has a better offense than Floyd and fights southpaws better than Floyd hands down; he also has more cojones than Floyd cuz he takes risk and challenges himself; huge difference in mindset and boxing style! If the always inconsistent Zab Judah could give Floyd trouble and that was in Floyds prime than a superbly conditioned Paquiao could do the same if not worse!

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