Mayweather's False Intentions About Fighting Pacquiao Exposed...LOTIERZO

BY Frank Lotierzo ON January 21, 2012
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MayweatherOrtizPostFightPC Hogan19No matter how many times we tell ourselves that we're not going to get sucked into the Mayweather vs. Pacquiao subterfuge, we always do. However, Mayweather relayed something in his phone call to Pacquiao last week that indicated what we probably already knew, that is Floyd isn't as serious as he wants us to think he is about making the fight with Pacquiao.

ESPN reported that Mayweather sent SportsCenter anchor Stan Verrett an e-mail that rejected a 50/50 purse split with Pacquiao....something that Manny has said he's agreeable to. According to Verrett, Floyd wrote: "He asked about a 50/50 split and I told him that can't happen, but what can happen is you can make more money fighting me than you have made in your career."

So there you have it. Mayweather is still about fighting Pacquiao in the media because if he were truly serious about fighting him, he'd jump at the 50/50 purse split. Can there be any boxing fans alive who don't see that Mayweather has used the nuanced drug testing and demands for purse parity as a ruses to avoid the fight?

Does anyone who remotely follows professional boxing not understand that fighting Pacquiao would not only be the most lucrative bout of Mayweather's career, but also the most important and signature fight of it? And can anyone make a case as to why one deserves a bigger split of the money over the other? Of course not, because one doesn't exist. 

Mayweather's insistence that he receives the lion's share of the money is just the first step in him trying to control all the terms of the fight. And if Pacquiao/Arum ever conceded to Floyd's demands on how the money is divided they would be dancing to Mayweather's beat and drummer on everything else right up until the last bell concluding the fight.

The good news is maybe Mayweather has dropped the demands for the Olympic style pre-fight drug testing because that wasn't mentioned as part of the conversation between he and Manny. Then again maybe he's assuming the sale and is operating under the pretense that that's already part of the deal. One thing is for certain, it's become nauseating watching Mayweather string everyone along and tease them into thinking he wants to fight Pacquiao in a fair fight. The fact of the matter is Mayweather, who I believe is confident that he can beat Pacquiao, doesn't want to chance it. Not at all.

The Pacquiao-Mayweather talk and hype has become a big joke and an embarrassment to a professional sport that continually reinvents ways to make itself less and less relevant to those who it depends on to support it.

There's been a ton of talk of how a Pacquiao-Mayweather clash would be the biggest fight in boxing history. And no doubt from a money perspective it would be. That is mostly because it would be the latest superfight to take place and there are no other fights that can be made that would stimulate quasi boxing fans. And that's because the fighters who round out the rest of boxing's pound-for-pound top ten are either 47 years old or only known to the small percentage of hardcore boxing fans still in existence.

Remember, what Pacquiao has achieved has been off the charts. But it's not like we've never seen him stopped or defeated before. As for Mayweather - has there ever been another so called great boxer who ducked more elite fighters than he has, or waited until they were an empty package before fighting them? So why would a fight between them be so must see?

Boxing history is replete with all time greats facing each other several times without the games and excuses Mayweather has sunk to in order to insure he has every advantage in the world if he ever does meet Pacquiao. Floyd Mayweather has been so terrific and great that once he's retired he'll never be an immediate mention or thought when talk of the greatest fighters/boxers in history are bantered about. And that's because despite him retiring undefeated, nobody will remember where they were the night Mayweather fought such and such unless he fights Pacquiao in a fair fight without gimmicks and stipulations. And that's sad, because Mayweather could and would beat the smaller Pacquiao if they ever fought.

Maybe it's better for both Mayweather and Pacquiao if they never meet. If that's what happens, Pacquiao can continue making a ton of money and Arum doesn't have to worry about losing a bulk of his income. As for Mayweather, he also can continue to make a ton of money without ever being at risk and continue to claim a de facto victory over Pacquiao.

If they string this along too much longer, even the marks are going to stop caring.

Frank Lotierzo can be contacted at GlovedFist@Gmail.com

Comment on this article

Radam G says:

As I've said, "CALL A SPADE A SPADE! Money May has never wanted this bout to be made. It is nonsense to say that some fighters are not scare of others. We, who all have been in that squared jungle, know that there are some fighters that just scare the holly heck and double hebejebeez outta of us. And if we can, we'll stay away from them.

Money May can con every Stank -- I mean Yank -- and his sidekick into believing that Da Manny doesn't want none [sic]. And this is just the way superiority thinking rolls. On its arse, it never wants the truth to unfold. Just to play games. And to get the nuthuggers, fanboys, fanfaronades and groupies all fired up.

Once again, Da Manny will kayo weak-chinned Money May EARLY! Money May has RUN the greatest con in the sweet science's history. He, just as his Uncles Roger and Jeff, has a weak chin -- glass all up in da jaw. But you don't know that and will never believe that because he has been running any optical illusion of fighting broke-down, used-up and green-arse, cherry-picked pugilists who he could edge out with his psy ops and black ops propaganda. He doesn't scare Da Manny a bit, thus Money May will not go anywhere near dat t*t.

The only Pacquiao that Mayweather beats is an imaginary one. Because dat sucka Money May will never step to da real one. Holla!

Radam G says:

Money May weak chin is so obviously by the chicken dances that he did from getting hit by Castillo, Corley, Judah and Mosley. They didn't and/or couldn't follow up because of Money May's deceptions and diversions, which will not deter Da Manny from staying on top of his arse and knocking it OUT, EARLY!

Talking heads are always laying down the bulljive that "styles make fight." But they never talk about a fighter being able to take the snap, crackle, pop from another one. Which Money May ain't no Marquez and won't be able to take syet IMHO. And the game is a business, anyway. And in that business, includes the business of ducking. Jack Johnson refused to fight black fighters. Sugar Ray Robinson cowarded like a bytch from fighting the "Black Murder Row" of middleweights. The young Cassius Clay by passed giving Doug Jones a rematch after Jone actually -- but not officially -- beat him. "Lil Floyd" and Fam May are smartl enough to set up optical illusiions of invisibility and never fight a hot or very warn body.

I have mad luv and respect for Money May for being Money May. He is 100 percent correct for ducking and hiding behind ducking. He cannot play the game forever. So he should use it, and make all the easy moola that he can. A sucka is born every minute," and that is not Money May's fault, because he has clearly said that he is Money May, not fighting-for-the fans, scribes, fanfaronade, nuthuggers, groupies and the like. Holla!

Money Jay says:

Floyd is tripping now...give the boy 50/50, and make the fight. I ride or die with my dude, but right now, I'm dying man. I hope that is some sort of mindf***ing Floyd is trying to pull with Manny..or maybe he's mindf***ed the entire world...WTF is really good?? BTW, @ Radam G, ain't no cyberbeef with you my dawg, I'm as real as they come, and I actually think your funny as ******, lol. I just wanna see Floyd piece this fool out, but I'm really getting tired of the games that are apart of trying to make this fight. Games that are being played by both sides, Top Rank, and Mayweather. It's like going steady with the baddest chick in your class, and she keeps teasing you every time you try and smash... she'll let you see it, smell it, but you can't hit it...WTF is going on??

brownsugar says:

mayweather asking for 70 % after the fight was so close is an abomination,.. make the f***n fight or stop off. but it's a ruse... if the fight doesn't happen because there is no compromise... then I must step aside and give credence to the naysayers.

amayseng says:

Floyd does not want the fight, plain and simple. How many games were played when floyd signed to fight ortiz? none. i barely heard anything, out of no where the contract was signed and the fight was made. easy as that. i know boxing is a business but floyd is finding a reason to halt the fight, the top 2 best in the last ten years dont go 70-30 or 60-40, no way no how... anyone who would support that is biased and not a true fan of the sport.

sergio martinez lb 4 lb number 1, does not find a way out of fights.

sergio also has a more impressive resume than floyd and pac the last few years.

support fighters who deserve to be supported...

juantotre says:

I got a better deal for Manny and Money,
80 to 20, winner gets 80% and loser gets 20% if its a knock-out
70 to 30 winner 70 loser 30 unanimous decision
60 to 40 winner 60, loser 40 split decision
50 / 50 draw

ali says:

Yeah Mayweather is tripping right now I still don't think he's scared to pac...I think he feels like he's the bigger draw so he deserves a bigger slice of the pie and he's right cuz that's how boxing works ....But at the end of the day he should say **** it and take 50/50 or try to work something out to were the winner would get a bigger % of the money...hopefully he's just doing this to see if he can get away with it.

amayseng says:

ali.......because he thinks he is the bigger draw? no it is because he does not want the fight. the easiest way to avoid a fight without seeming a coward is to price your self out.

manny has more fans than floyd, he is a hero and loved by his people...

what does floyd have here? sure he has some die hard fans but he is barely known outside of the boxing world. floyd tried hard with dancing with the stars and WWE, but he failed to cross over. beating up women and fighting a boring, yes tactical and i appreciate his style, once every two years does not make you a popular draw in the USA.

honestly, pacs style and excitement will sell a fight better than floyd...

the Roast says:

Looks like Floyd doesn't want the fight. 50/50 is the only way to go.

Radam G says:

Money May doesn't deserves a bigger part, and he is not the bigger draw. He is a man of straw. And da bytch is always guilty of violating every agreement and da law. And his nuthuggers, bandwagon jumpers, groupies, fanboys, fanfaronades and flunkies, he knows how to claw.

They're so full of POOP! Da muthasuckas wouldn't even know if dey were in da loop. Blind loyalty can be a sin. And quite easy to follow a scary, crazy man of tin. All Money May is going to do is crow. He's scared sh*tless to step in dat squared jungle with da one-man Pinoy murder row. He can't handle the speed of Da Manny. To a Mayweather, it is so uncanny.

Money May cannot even take a Pac-punch. How much pain, Money May will feel, he doesn't have a hunch. All he knows is that on his arse, he's not going to bring it for Da Manny to munch. And Money May doesn't care about the feelings of any boksing scribes, or fans, groupies, playing-his-Pied-Piper-flute to lead his cliff-fallers off the cliff, or of his Pac-hating bunch.

Money May is down with da REAL! He knows da DEAL. The heck with you muthasuckas. He ain't tryin' to become a Pac-MEAL! Or because of the desires of South Central Ali, other nuthuggers, bandwagon jumpers, groupies, know nothings, fanboys, faders, fanfaronades, race-superority thinkers and jingoistic-chest pounders get rush up in a hospital trying to heal.

It's Pac-TIME! It's lefty TIME! Tebow is all right! He will stay in the football fight. But with Da Manny, Money May is still CHICKEN to see that NIGHT. Holla!

ali says:

ali.......because he thinks he is the bigger draw? no it is because he does not want the fight. the easiest way to avoid a fight without seeming a coward is to price your self out.

manny has more fans than floyd, he is a hero and loved by his people...

what does floyd have here? sure he has some die hard fans but he is barely known outside of the boxing world. floyd tried hard with dancing with the stars and WWE, but he failed to cross over. beating up women and fighting a boring, yes tactical and i appreciate his style, once every two years does not make you a popular draw in the USA.

honestly, pacs style and excitement will sell a fight better than floyd...

Amayseng you might be right abou Pac having more fans then Mayweather but having ppl that dislike u in boxing isn't necessarily a bad thing. Remember Mohammed Ali back in the day a lot of ppl hated him but he eas the biggest draw in boxing. You know why? Cuz those those same ppl who hated him paid to watch him fight its no different with Mayweather. Men and women lie numbers don't homie and if u look at the numbers Mayweather is #1

ali says:

@Amayseng are u saying Mayweather ain't loved by his ppl? Look everybody knows in other counties the fans support u more then the fans do in the United States. Pac is basically all the Philippines have to look up to.

TotoyBato says:

'Tis true, looks like Floyd's biggest fight will be against (fighting off) BIG BUBBA in June 1st. I'm betting BIG BUBBA will have his way on that PRETTY BOY.

TotoyBato says:

Floyd does not need to fight Manny Pacquiao right now. Floyd's about to face a great crisis. Stay safe Floyd. Brothers please protect Floyd. We need him at 100 % when he attempts to cement his legacy as the greatest boxer of all time.

mortcola says:

Floyd does not need to fight Manny Pacquiao right now. Floyd's about to face a great crisis. Stay safe Floyd. Brothers please protect Floyd. We need him at 100 % when he attempts to cement his legacy as the greatest boxer of all time.


Mayweather cannot cement a legacy as GOAT. He will retire with fewer significant fights against the best of his era than any GOAT candidate. Mayweather is greatly skilled, but he is a symptom of what is wrong with this age, this culture. He has chosen image and cash over a meaningful life's work, the honor to seek and achieve the most one can. He is simply not man - forget that, Christy Martin sought the best, so "man" ain't it - not FIGHTER enough to put money and promotional squabbles aside and seek the best challenges out there. For which he will make insane amounts of money anyway, enough to feed all the hungry children in the world for years on end. Not good enough for Floyd.

Can't be GOAT. Too late, too little, too defective a man.

ali says:

@Mortcola why do u say its too late?

amayseng says:

"@Amayseng are u saying Mayweather ain't loved by his ppl? Look everybody knows in other counties the fans support u more then the fans do in the United States. Pac is basically all the Philippines have to look up to."

i am saying that mayweather does not have a lot of fans and supporters as Ali did, tyson, odlh, hagler, hearns, sugar ray, duranm trinidad, cotto....

floyds best ppv's were odlh and hatton, whom have a bigger fan base than floyd.

so if pac vs may happened, which it wont, pac would bring in more money...boxing is not mainstream in america anymore, and ppv has been the cause of it, if not most of the cause.

would the nfl be mainstream if we had to pay ppv for the games every month?

what is sad is that floyd is truly skilled, but he never attempted to beat the very best, it is his fault.

floyd pricing himself out is a way out of this fight....

he will end up fighting canelo, a guy who lost 3 of 6 rounds to alfonso gomez....

just hope that floyd doesnt get old that night and canelo doesnt get him out of there with a body shot....

go back and watch the jmm floyd fight, then go watch the floyd ortiz fight, sound off and really concentrate on floyds footwork, whiffing and missing punches, getting caught quite a bit...

floyd is near 35...

hope canelo doesnt land a fluke and get floyd out of there...

then what

themanwhocantbemoved says:

what totoy bato really means that "we need Floyd to be 100% when he attempts to cement his legacy" is that we him need in his best condition when he tries to fight pacquiao so that if he lose he wont have an excuse..... because manny is the only man who can cement his legacy, when or lose....

ali says:

@amayseng u r crazy as hell Mayweather did better numbers with ortiz then Pac did with Marquez and Marquez has a way bigger fan base then Ortiz. Cotto vs Pac didn't do better numbers then Mayweather vs Marquez so Cotto ain't even close Trinidad numbers vs Oscar ain't nowhere near what Mayweather did with Oscar. Y'all Mayweather haters always seem to forget is all these mega superstar fighters did they best numbers fighting Mayweather.

mortcola says:

@Mortcola why do u say its too late?


Because Floyd isn't gonna change his colors. He's gonna do what he's doing, fighting the easiest available showcase, and either retire or let his ego drive him into Roy Jones territory. As good as he still is, his prime is past, he's doing less and less fighting, more and more talking. There is no evidence that he will change his approach to his career. He will therefore never have the chance to be in the same echelon as Ali, Hagler, Leonard, Hearns, Holmes, etc. He might fight bravely as an older man with slower reflexes, and prove he has warrior spirit he has no need to show the way he currently conducts his career. But that's all imaginary. Right now, he's a cherry-picking, trash-talking jailbird, continuing to avoid the best out there, while talking, talking, talking. Skill isn't the issue. Its character and action.

TotoyBato says:

Right on Mr. themanwhocantbemoved!!! There is intelligence that reads through these mostly gibberish posts. Floyd's Legacy could be as Undefeated, best Lb for LB fighter of all time. Best and most intelligent sports moneymaker of all time. But who cares about Legacy and Money when your rectum is about to be prolapsed.

DaveB says:

Mayweather is definitely tripping. Pacquaio did 1.4 million buys vs. Marquez. Mayweather did 1.25 million buys vs. Ortiz. Which ever way you cut it one is going to do better than the other on a given ppv. They are both cash cows, they are among the two best if not the two best p4p fighters, and the masses want to see this fight so 50-50 is the way to go. Why is Mayweather trying to dictate everything to the degree that it looks like he has no intention of wanting this fight to ever happen? Sure Pacquaio and Mayweather can dictate to everyone else that they get the bigger purse or other advantages but they can not do that to one another. The fact that each of them wants to do that has been problematic since the time this fight seemed like it could become a possibility. Mayweather is his own agent and Pacquaio through Arum has been as much of a problem, so Pacquaio shares the blame too. To demand 70-30 is an abomination and a slap in the face to everyone everywhere. There has to be some give and take. Didn't Holmes have parity with Cooney? Didn't Ali have parity with Foreman? In this fight parity is easy to justify. The real question is do they want it or not? The world has been waiting over two years for the answer.

ali says:

@mortcola....I guess only time will tell if not Pac right now then who is acceptable? Cotto, Martinez good enough opposition to enhance his legacy I say it is.

Grimm says:

Mayweather did better numbers with ortiz then Pac did with Marquez and Marquez has a way bigger fan base then Ortiz.(---) Y'all Mayweather haters always seem to forget is all these mega superstar fighters did they best numbers fighting Mayweather.


It ain't bout the numbers, and never has been. The importance of numbers is a symptom of the very same disease that Money May suffers from. The tendency to count the numbers, however, is also the tendency to forget the size of the world.

1. Let's remember PPV = cash. Who's got cash? The proletariat that makes up the very fanbase this sport is built upon, or the schmucks who go to war with their keyboard buttons as their missiles? The fellows who live, breath, sleep and die this sport ain't the fellows ordering PPV:s. Never has been, never will be. In fact, they may not even know they are hardcore fans yet, because boxing has gone out of its own way to make sure only the internet jihadists and blood-thirsty, white collar-semi-intellectuals can afford to be amused by it. Money May being big among that segment of degenerated modern people does'nt equate to him being big in the eyes of real boxing fans - and those fans add up to hundreds of millions around the world.

2. The world is a pretty big place. Having a European outlook, I promise you Money May is a fart in the wind in comparison to Pacquiao. M is mentioned only when he mentions P - which, I guess, is why he always seems to talk about him. P, on the other hand, is a global phenomena. Whenever he fights, there is a tremendous buzz - he is, like it or not, for now boxings biggest international face since the haydays of Mike Tyson.

ali says:

Now all of sudden the numbers are lying....ODLH got alot more money then Pac and Mayweather when he fought them why? Because of the numbers not because they went on line and seen a voting poll on who's more popular. U have to go by the money the generate when they fight period. Now I said Mayweather should just take the 50/50 split whoop his *** and move on to bigger and better things.

Radam G says:

You are such a know nothing and fibber, SCLA Ali. Da Manny is not the only anything, we "have to look up to in the Philippines." And nowhere else. Quit keyboard tapping and making yourself look so foolish.

We had tons of stars before Da Manny. We have tons now. We will have tons after Da Manny. You don't know syet about "the Philippines," or Filipinos, sucka! Right now, on the mainland USA, we have the top coach in pro basketball. We have the top P4P with cojones in boxing. We have the top lineman in American-style football. We have the top dance crew in U.S. America. We have the top female billionaire. We have the top singers. We have the top chefs. We have the top entrepreneurs. We are just TOP, TOP in all avenues, your arse don't JACK about JACK!

SCLA ALI, STFU! Dude, want you quit nuthugging Money May, and LEARN! Know before you BLOW -- I mean GO! Hehehehehe! _____ _______ ______ _____ ____and _____ ____ ___! Holla!

Coxs Corner says:

When Ali and Frazier fought the first time there was no argument over who should get more. Ali was the star and the "draw", both had claims to the title but they agreed to a 50-50 split. I see Pacman due to his punch and usually more exciting fights more of a draw to the general public than Mayweather but it don't matter. This fight should be 50-50 for the fight the public most wants to see. The fight would have been better and more meaningful if it happened in 2009. If they fight now its 3 years late.

ali says:

Radam that **** really ruffled your feathers...Now u see how it feels when ppl speak on your race and don't know what they talking about ... what's crazy is I said ain't nearly as bad as what u said and u got the nerve to get your panties in a bunch wow! !!! Straight sucker sh*t...

Radam G says:

WRONG! You have not "ruffled" my "feathers." I know African American black. You apparently don't know any type of Pinoy/Pinay, because you make up all type of unheard of nonsense.

Let me remind you that October is "Filipino History Month." One of the longest month of the calendar year. February is "Black History Month." The shortest month of the calendar year. So what do you said about that, SCLA Ali? Whaddup wif dat?

Thin skin with me is not in. You really need to thicken up on the skin and take some supplement or sumptin' to get some size on da cojones. You and my boy Lil' Floyd have a tiny pair. NO DOUBT! SHOUT! Hehehehehehe!

Quit your imaginary beefing with me, SCLA Ali. Everybodee and dey momma know dat you're da biggest Money May G-string -- I mean jockstrap wearer -- and Money May Nuthugger in cyberspace, real space and out of space. C'mon, BIG Homie! Fess UP! Confession is good for the soul.

Da Manny got it going on. Money May has it going off. And is gettin' on his fake to try bite off Da Manny's CAKE!

ali says:

Filipino history month is in october which has 31 days.
Black history month has the shortest month
u saying that to say what? Keep it real radam triple og

Radam G says:

I'm being sarcastic about how you have been short changed. Hehehehe! Holla!

Radam G says:

To tell you the truth, SCLA Ali, kid me used to educate blacks, especially Nation of Islam Muslims and groupies who hanged around the GOAT Ali's entourage back in da day, to why blacks got the shorest month to celebrate "Black History." Know-nothing muthasuckas were always talking about a conspiracy against 'em. And you know me. I'm "down with O-P-P." Hehehehehe!

Biting off the words of Uncle Roger, "Most people don't know syet 'bout boksin!" And most don't know Jack about WHY and WHEN something is done and celebrate in HISTORY. And, you may not believe this, I have a Pinay cousin recently from the Philippines teaching black history in D.C. schools nowadays.

Anyway, "Black History" got the celebration in the month of February to honor Prez Abraham Lincoln, said to have "freed all slaves in states that fought against the Union," and Frederick Douglas, a former slave who was the Martin Luther King Jr.-like freedom fighter of the Nineteenth Century. Both Prez Abe and Freddy Doug were born in February.

And if you don't believe me, BIG Homie, look it UP! Holla!

Money Jay says:

@Ali, that boy Radam got real soft when the shoe was on the other foot! He just mad cuz we dominate every major sport, with maybe the exception of baseball, lol. Radam, quit all ur rambling...its 2012 bro, and my president is black. Everybody hate Floyd cuz he's young, rich, and yes black. You can't deny the boy skill set, It's one of the best in the history of the sport. BTW Radam, Spolstra is a puppet, Pat Riley runs the heat sucka!!

ali says:

Ok triple OG....go tell ya boy lil Floyd all this **** u saying about him on TSS and maybe he will get so mad that he will take the 50/50 split and beat yo ur boy ***.

ali says:

@Ali, that boy Radam got real soft when the shoe was on the other foot! He just mad cuz we dominate every major sport, with maybe the exception of baseball, lol. Radam, quit all ur rambling...its 2012 bro, and my president is black. Everybody hate Floyd cuz he's young, rich, and yes black. You can't deny the boy skill set, It's one of the best in the history of the sport. BTW Radam, Spolstra is a puppet, Pat Riley runs the heat sucka!!

Lmfao!!!!!!

amayseng says:

young rich and black??

thats why people hate floyd?

first of all he aint young, 35 in boxing or any pro sport is not young..

secondly that is a racist statement..

third, saying blacks dominates all sports is untrue and just speculates a racial war.

this site is legit to talk boxing and even have discussions about race and other things in a respectful fashion..

i dont enjoy the other sites because everyone is biased, racist or calling each other names.

dont let racism ruin this site....

im part native american, we never got any respect or a native american month in school or publicly, you dont see us even mumbling about it...

my grandparents were italian, and lived in ny and wv, and when they moved to wv they were not allowed to move to certain parts of town because they were talleys....i could tell worse stories but this is not the place..

every ethnicity has endured some racism

amayseng says:

oh my main point, people hate floyd because he is greedy, disrespectful, a thug, beats women and burns money while people starve....

they hate him because he can be an idiot, not because he is black..

i love floyd the boxer, but think he is an ignorant fool outside the ring...

ali says:

young rich and black??

thats why people hate floyd?

first of all he aint young, 35 in boxing or any pro sport is not young..

secondly that is a racist statement..

third, saying blacks dominates all sports is untrue and just speculates a racial war.

this site is legit to talk boxing and even have discussions about race and other things in a respectful fashion..

i dont enjoy the other sites because everyone is biased, racist or calling each other names.

dont let racism ruin this site....

im part native american, we never got any respect or a native american month in school or publicly, you dont see us even mumbling about it...

my grandparents were italian, and lived in ny and wv, and when they moved to wv they were not allowed to move to certain parts of town because they were talleys....i could tell worse stories but this is not the place..

every ethnicity has endured some racism

Amayseng u seem like a cool dude but for u to try check Money May comments is out of line....I might be wrong but I have never heard u say anything about the comments that that Radam triple OG makes. Is u ok with the racist comments he make about black people...all Money May said is why he think people hate Floyd and he's right that is why a lot of people hate and some people hate him cuz of what u said too.

ali says:

young rich and black??

thats why people hate floyd?

first of all he aint young, 35 in boxing or any pro sport is not young..

secondly that is a racist statement..

third, saying blacks dominates all sports is untrue and just speculates a racial war.

this site is legit to talk boxing and even have discussions about race and other things in a respectful fashion..

i dont enjoy the other sites because everyone is biased, racist or calling each other names.

dont let racism ruin this site....

im part native american, we never got any respect or a native american month in school or publicly, you dont see us even mumbling about it...

my grandparents were italian, and lived in ny and wv, and when they moved to wv they were not allowed to move to certain parts of town because they were talleys....i could tell worse stories but this is not the place..

every ethnicity has endured some racism

Amayseng u seem like a cool dude but for u to try check Money May comments is out of line....I might be wrong but I have never heard u say anything about the comments that that Radam triple OG makes. Is u ok with the racist comments he make about black people...all Money May said is why he think people hate Floyd and he's right that is why a lot of people hate and some people hate him cuz of what u said too.

amayseng says:

@ali...

no im not down with racist comments from anyone, and honestly i usually do not read through radams post because they are drawn out and very long and secondly his way of writing is difficult to follow and read...

i know racism exists today, sadly so and i dont condone it. however, it exists on both sides....

i responded because i have heard that saying for so long, "young black and rich" and it is just soooo ridiculous.

like middle aged white businessmen are walking around their homes mad at floyd mayweather because he is young black and rich hahaha..

its so tired...

mortcola says:

oh my main point, people hate floyd because he is greedy, disrespectful, a thug, beats women and burns money while people starve....

they hate him because he can be an idiot, not because he is black..

i love floyd the boxer, but think he is an ignorant fool outside the ring...


.....And because he never seems to want to try something difficult and do his best to prevail. That's the big issue. Hunger for challenge, in equal doses with business savvy, would be cool. That's championship, GOAT stuff.

Radam G says:

BIG Homie SCLA Ali, I REPEAT that I NEVER, NEVER make or have MADE a RACIST comment. Point one after out to ME, and I will salute YOU, BOW and never come to this site AGAIN. WOW! None of you muthafudgas and muthasuckas are down with Webster Dictionary, apparent commonsense and da human rainbow. C'mon Homie Ali! WEAK byches roll with racism, not a strong Pinoy bro, like yours truly. Pinoy got it going on with "PEOPLE POWER!" Later for weak-tiny-arse racism. We KAYOED dat jive like __ _ ___!

Don't be tryin' to hate on ME, SCLA Ali. How many times have you ever been to da Pacific P-Islands? That's what I thought -- NEVER! Dude, we are 95 percent mutty like muthapretty mutts. But you do see "blue and purple" black [original] Filipinos every day in the USA, and you probably think that they are Africans or Cubans or something else, but they are straight-up PINOY to da BONE! [Maybe you need to holla at some of those Nation of Islam dude about all the super black skinned people living in all of ASIA. That that sect of Islam call 'em "The original black man.">

Of course you will get ditto-ed by Amayseng. He's like a feather in the wind. He goes with the strongest blowing current. Ped me as a genius on da know, not a stupid-a$$ racist or current follower ready to blow.

I already know that 95 percent of "black Americans" are not boxer Clottey's kind of BLACK -- original African black. As I said, Homie Ali, you and most of the jokers here, don't know JACK about the Philippines. We Pinoys are all mutts - mixed with just about every so-race, color and ethnicity on the PLANET earth. Once again, we have the original Filipino, who is much, much darker than African Americans and many black Africans. [Help me out, B-Sug, Smoke and all you cats who have walked upon the islands of "PEARLS of the Orient Seas.">

Quit trying to win sympathy, SCLA Homie Ali, you always start the wilding, then get all flexed-up, because of my buzz-saw spittin' attack that toddler and kid ME learned from super OGs, such as Richard Pryor, Red Foxx, Paul Mooney, Flip Wilson, Drew Bundini Brown, Wali "Blood" Muhammad, GOAT Ali, himself, who is Irish mixed, Sugar Ray Leonard, Aaron Pryor, who is part Japanese, Tommy Hearns, who is Cherokee Indian mixed, the late Eazy E, who is Italian-and-Syrian Jew mixed like a mutha, Uncle Snoppy Dogg, who is white, Native American and "weed" and "juice" and gin" mixed, and the list goes on and on. Hehehehehe!

I just love this Universe. And don't be hatin,' dudes, and trying to catagory me in a darn BOX. I'm "down with O-P-P," You know ME! You will find those knuckleheaded racists on one of those weak sites, like FightHype, Eastside Boxing and Blackman Boxing, or something like that, to name a few.

You won't find racism up in my grill. With the REAL, I have too much of a THRILL. You are lookin' up the wrong a$$ in trying to label me a racist. In this arse, racism will never spill. Just ___ ___ ___ and sh*t! Hehehehehe! Da Manny knocks Money May out ____. Holla!

Radam G says:

See how the nutcases come outta of the wood. Somebody should tell small money jay what time it is. Of course the U.S. Prez is black and straight outta Asia. Born in Hawaii and reared there and in Indonesia. Color him black -- many Asians are -- but know that he is ASIAN to da bone!

I'll comment no longer on Money Jay's _____ ____ ____ posts. Dude is pitbull of hatred trying to stir up some servings of bigotry and nullification. This type of cat always slips up and shows his know nothing, xenophobic, paranoid, self.

Wow! Money Jay is why so many teachers are being recruited out of Asia -- the Philippines and Taiwan -- to teach American pupils and students.

GO Prez OBAMA! GO! Much LUV for the first Asian borne, bread and feed Prez of the U.S.A.

Somebody with a brain, tell small money jay that Prez Obama is straight-up Asian with a father from Africa and a white mother from Kansas.

Maybe small MJ should move out of the Motorcity to Kansas and catch a tornado and land in Oz, and then ask the "great and powerful Wiz" for a brain. Holla!

riverside says:

TSS has really turned into some bizarre psycholical place, more spookier than funny

Radam G says:

Hehehehe! That is cold-hearted, riverside. Now you know that you have gotten on your "some bizarre...spookier than funny" spit on occasions. Holla!

Radam G says:

This is my LAST spit on this subject. I got a call from one of my civil rights' boys. He told me to pay those tired jokers behind the curtain no mind, no time and no luv. But you know me. I'm down with one last drop of O-P-P!

On their faces, some people have a dimple, but up inside dat noggin, where the brains have 100-billion neurons, the suckas use about 10 and are so simple.

Let me tell you what boxing fans Jesse Jackson Sr, of Rainbow PUSH, Jesse Jackson Jr, a congressman, and Al Sharpton, a talk-show host on MSNBC, say about Prez O. They spit dat da Prez "is near [their] color, but not near [their] kind." With that said, all-jive jokers and dey go-along-to-get-along sidekicks oughta tell South Central Los Angeles Ali and Detroit small Money Jay, not to be pullin' da race-card-reverse jive on your's truly. I'm much smarter than they. They ought to just suck it move on and keep it pugilistic real. Money May is on fright of Da Manny, PEROID!

They -- especially small money jay -- in no way can explain their "African-American civil rights leaders" showing Prez O the hate, and accusing him of "talking down to African Americans." Prez O belongs to One AMERICA and ONE WORLD, not in the mudhole of twisting-up crazy sh*t of athletic and sports superiority of any group. Myths and bullsh*tology never match reality. I won't go there right now, because those unused brain will still just see from that mudhole of best-race-in-sports illusions. Holla!

Ernesto Guevara says:

Mr. Lotizero wrote the following:

"As for Mayweather - has there ever been another so called great boxer who ducked more elite fighters than he has, or waited until they were an empty package before fighting them? So why would a fight between them be so must see?"

How can you make such a broad statement and not provide evidence to back it up? With the exception of De La Hoya, I can't think any fighter who was an "empty package" by the time he fought Floyd. Maybe Cotto would qualify but I shudder to think that let alone express it as truth of fact. Mr. Lotizero, please elaborate and explain your position on this which I feel is grossly out of line and reeks of opinion as opposed to fact.

El Capitan
"Love, peace and aceite de coco grease"

The Good Doctor says:

Mr. Lotizero wrote the following:

"As for Mayweather - has there ever been another so called great boxer who ducked more elite fighters than he has, or waited until they were an empty package before fighting them? So why would a fight between them be so must see?"

How can you make such a broad statement and not provide evidence to back it up? With the exception of De La Hoya, I can't think any fighter who was an "empty package" by the time he fought Floyd. Maybe Cotto would qualify but I shudder to think that let alone express it as truth of fact. Mr. Lotizero, please elaborate and explain your position on this which I feel is grossly out of line and reeks of opinion as opposed to fact.

El Capitan
"Love, peace and aceite de coco grease"


If I may step in..............

I am not a Floyd hater and I do think he is an extremely skilled fighter but Floyd has fought more for business reasons that for legacy. I am good with that too. If I can fight an A level fighter for 10mil or a B level fighter for 10mil, I would fight the B level fighter too. Now as for your proof lets take a look:

From 2002 to 2010, which you could consider Floyd's prime, here is who he fought:

Corley, Judah, Bruseles, Chavez, Sosa, Baldomir, Gatti, Mitchell, Castillo, Ndou, Hatton, an old ODH, JMM two classes above his weight and missed weight for the fight. Hardly a murderers row.

Now look at who was in their prime or even close to it during that time:

Cotto, Margarito, Clottey, Mosley, Forrest, Winky, Casamayor, JMM at his weight, Williams, Kosta Tsyzu

Floyd very much cherry picked his way through those years. He is still a great fighter but a champions mettle is often measured by the level of their competition. Floyd's competition is lukewarm at best. The sad part is that I think Floyd could have beaten every one of the people listed above.

dino da vinci says:

If I may step in..............

I am not a Floyd hater and I do think he is an extremely skilled fighter but Floyd has fought more for business reasons that for legacy. I am good with that too. If I can fight an A level fighter for 10mil or a B level fighter for 10mil, I would fight the B level fighter too. Now as for your proof lets take a look:

From 2002 to 2010, which you could consider Floyd's prime, here is who he fought:

Corley, Judah, Bruseles, Chavez, Sosa, Baldomir, Gatti, Mitchell, Castillo, Ndou, Hatton, an old ODH, JMM two classes above his weight and missed weight for the fight. Hardly a murderers row.

Now look at who was in their prime or even close to it during that time:

Cotto, Margarito, Clottey, Mosley, Forrest, Winky, Casamayor, JMM at his weight, Williams, Kosta Tsyzu

Floyd very much cherry picked his way through those years. He is still a great fighter but a champions mettle is often measured by the level of their competition. Floyd's competition is lukewarm at best. The sad part is that I think Floyd could have beaten every one of the people listed above.


Good Doctor, excellent points.

'The sad part is that I think Floyd could have beaten every one of the people listed above.' He certainly would have been favored. Same with RJ,jr. The resume is incomplete. Didn't have to be either. Those names that aren't there are the "Cool" Vince Phillips of this discussion.

open minded says:

Thanks Frank,

Mayweather fans are all bitc$%hes. You really have to be extremely gullible not see whats going on here. Lordy, there are a lot of stupid boxing fans. Even ESPN bought into this scam. Wev'e already seen it 4 or 5 times before. Back in the day, the sport was awesome! Today EHH!

I wish Pacquiao would just swear off fighting this knuckle head once and for all and move on. Can you imagine trying to do business with somebody like Floyd. The experience would make any body with real balls sick to their stomach! Yikes, Pacquiao and his buddies in congress must have been laughing the arses off when Floyd called him a punk. The law maker versus the law breaker (that's the fight moniker) I don't have copy right so feel free to use it Frank!

Fanofthesweetscience says:

It sickens me that these so called sports writers are misleading the boxing fans about this whole 50-50 split thing. What needs to be said is this....

Pac is not asking for a 50-50 split of the purse but rather a 50-50 split of the revenue. Those two splits are completely different. Honestly, I don't think Mayweather would balk at giving Pac a 50-50 split of the purse because that number is negotiated pre-fight. However, the revenue aspect is something completely different, and total revenue is not known until weeks after the fight because it consists of gate sells, PPV buys, hot dog sells, beer sells, t-shirt sells, and everything else that can be sold at the venue, during the pre-fight conferences, and after the fight.

And the reason why Mayweather is so adamant of not doing the 50-50 revenue split thing with Pac is because Mayweather has a business model which he uses, that no other boxer uses, that ensures Mayweather maximizes his revenue potential by putting his own money up for his fights. The link to an article about Mayweather's business model is below.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/17/sports/floyd-mayweather-jr-welterweight-with-heavyweight-financial-clout.html?pagewanted=all

So, let me ask everyone this, would you give someone half of a your revenue when they are putting up no monetary risk unlike yourself? That's like telling someone, "hey, I don't know you that well but lets start a business together and I will put up all the money to get the business started and I will also split everything I make with you." Now does that seem smart... Hell no! And that's why Mayweather has said no to a 50-50 split in revenue.

REAL TALK!!!

The Sick Man of Boxing says:

For 3 years, negotiations just kept stalling thanks to floyd’s non-stop demands:

1. Olympic style drug testing – First stop, Pacquiao agreed but there should be 21 days cut-off before the fight. Mayweather walked out of the negotiation table, now demanding 14 days cut-off. Then Pacquiao bends to 14 days, but by this time floyd demanded drug test all the way to the fight. Again, Pacquiao compromised and agreed saying drug testing is not an issue anymore.

2. May 5th date – Why not May 12? May 19 or 26? Even the Judge who postponed his jail sentence denied insisting on a May 5th date. Nothing in Judge Saragosa’s order precluded Mayweather from boxing on a different date. As you can see only the June 1st surrender date cannot be moved back, but the May 5th date can be moved to late May.

3. MGM Grand – If you were in negotiations, having perhaps the biggest fight in years laying in front of you, wouldn’t you at least put it out for bids? I though floyd is all about MONEY

4. Bigger Purse – Mayweather’s demand for the lion’s share is absurd. Pacquiao draws more pay-per-view fans, more fans to the arena and has a proven track record.

Both Fighter’s PPV results in 2011:

5/07/2011 Pacquiao vs Mosley – generated 1.30 million PPV buys

9/17/2011 Mayweather vs Ortiz – generated 1.25 million PPV buys

11/12/2011 Pacquiao vs Marquez – generated 1.4 million PPV buys

5. Lawsuit – Now mayweather wants Pac to drop the lawsuit. Oh yes, after all the libel, slander & accusations that manny is on PEDS? To hell with that!

Pacquiao to mayweather: “Cut the crap or just go to jail punk.”

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