PREDICTION PAGE: Andre Ward-Carl Froch...WOODS

BY Michael Woods ON December 16, 2011
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03 Weigh-inAndre Ward and Carl Froch both made weight on Friday, ahead of their Saturday clash at Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City.

The Oakland-based Ward was 168 on the dot, while the Brit Froch was 167 1/2.

TSS Universe, please tell us what you think will go down in AC. Do you see Ward as being a bit better athlete, as being blessed a bit more with better reflexes, which will serve him both offensively and defensively? Do you like his rounds one through twelve focus, his not-overly-scintillating, but always on-message manner in the ring? Ward (24-0 with 13 KOs) usually doesn't rip off more than three punches in a combo, he isn't prone to doing too much, to leave himself open to making a mistake. Many folks think he'll have to make a mistake for Froch (28-1 with 20 KOs) to capitalize on, for the Brit to exit AC with a win.

Many figure Ward is the better boxer, but that Froch could carry the day with a power edge. Does he have a substantial power edge over Ward,  though? He hasn't scored a stoppage since 2009, when he scored a late TKO over Jermain Taylor. Froch didn't stop Andre Dirrell, Mikkel Kessler, Arthur Abraham or Glen Johnson, so does his 69% to 54% KO ratio edge over Ward really resonate with you? Do you see him landing that crisp right cross on Ward, who is a most capable defender, who never forgets to duck and slip?

I do think this fight has the capacity to have some chippy moments. Ward is adept at clinching and the like to interrupt a foe's floe. I expect him to do that if and when Froch gets feisty and scores with some combos. But Froch is a stubborn bugger. He can eat a mean shot.

TSS Universe, will this one approach the Amir Khan-Lamont Peterson fight in drama and quality? Will Ward allow Froch, or can Froch dictate, the amount of freedom and volume to force the fight?

Drop a prediction in our Forum, and check back fightnight for coverage.

Here are the rest of the weights for the fighters on the show:

 

 

KELL BROOK (148 lbs) vs. LUIS GALARZA (147 1/2 lbs)

 

 

CORNELIUS WHITE (173 lbs) vs. YORDANIS DESPAIGNE (174 1/2 lbs)

 

 

EDISON MIRANDA (175 lbs) vs. KARIZ KARIUKI (174 1/2 lbs)

  

 

 DONNELL HOLMES (226 lbs) vs. BOWIE TUPOU (242 lbs)

 

 DANIEL LUGO (152 1/2 lbs) vs. BOYD MELSON (155 1/2 lbs)

 

 

JOHN LENNOX (224 1/2 lbs) vs. JEREMIAH WITHERSPOON (TBA lbs)

  

Tickets for SUPER SIX WORLD BOXING CLASSIC FINAL and live undercard are priced at $300, $200, $100 and $50 and can be purchased at the Boardwalk Hall Box Office, or by calling Ticketmaster at (800) 736-1420 or online at ticketmaster.com and doors for the event open at 5 p.m. ET.

Promoted by Goossen Tutor Promotions, Matchroom Sport and Antonio Leonard Promotions, in association with Caesars Atlantic City and sponsored by Corona.

 

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amayseng says:

i see ward winning 9 rounds cleanly and clearly...he will move laterally when froch comes flying in, in slow motion mind you and just pick him apart....

btw, boxingchannel has an excellent video and biography on ward and how his dad raised him and his son alone..

i am a single dad myself, 12 years now, and its nice to see ward has appreciation for his father...

ward is a classy guy in a crappy business

Real Talk says:

I'm taking Ward by UD. Smart boxing skills and speed, being first and tying Froch up when he tries to get in close will do the job. Froch has the power advantage and claims he's coming for the KO because really that's all he has is a punchers chance. He looked good against Glen Johnson in a ring the size of an Olympic swimming pool or ball dance room but Johnson didn't fight smart at all following Froch around and not cutting off the ring or stepping with his jab. He didn't adjust to Froch who clearly was looking to work off his aggression. Froch has shown that he's a student of the game and knows how to stay in his envelope and fight to his strengths and also adjusts well to his opponent and has got better since coming to the states. In the staredown it looked like he got in Andre Wards head a little bit but Froch has trouble with speed and good technicians we know this. He makes up for that with with grit, toughness and will. If Andre Ward shows up on his A-game he has the skills to beat Carl Froch and Andre Ward has shown the toughness as well as the ability to win ugly if need be. Ward will win if he boxes smart, moves smart, not excessive and give up too much ground, sitdown on his shots at the right time, mix up his shots and use his natural gifts he will come out on top with the W. It won't be easy but I think his skill level is a notch or two above Froch but it will take more than skills. It going to take skills, will and intelligence to have his hand raised and that goes for Froch too. Andre Ward UD. Dueces

the Roast says:

Amayseng, you have picked against Froch time and time again. This time you may be right. I'll take Froch by SD. Rachel will scream and jump up and down. I will watch over and over in slow motion.

dino da vinci says:

As Al Bernstein has pointed out, Ward hasn't lost since he was twelve years old, and Carl Froch may have fought the toughest slate of all the fighters in boxing over the last few years (including the fights that proceeded the tournament). Yes, Ward is an absolute class act, but if you listen to Froch long enough, you start to appreciate him.
2010 was a very good year for second tier fights on down. The PPVs, however, might not have quite gotten the job done. In an on-paper great match-up to close out the year's high profile fights, these two modern day gladiators fight to a draw.

amayseng says:

roast...........hahaha

my gosh is she hot...but annoying.....

froch doesnt even have a punchers chance, where has he ever had power?

he hasnt even scored a knockdown since a shot taylor.....and he doesnt have power in both hands.....

i have picked against froch, but he lost 10 rounds taylor, lost to dirrel, robbery, lost to a past prime kessler, whom im a fan of...

beat a 42 year old g johnson coming down in weight, very detrimental...

from is not skilled and technical, he is not fast and quick..

he is slow and lumbering and will be truly exposed

the Roast says:

Amayseng, do not try to confuse the Roast with facts. Froch knows how to win. He fights according to what is necessary to whip ass. Froch has to make the fight, push Ward back, put the pressure on. Or, he could lay back, make Ward come to him, counter smartly.... it could happen...

mortcola says:

Nice posts, guys. Roast, you're right. First, Froch has average speed. He is not slow. He is somewhat gangly, but mobile. He is not easy to reach with shots, and his game has tightened up considerably, resulting in, among other things, effective counterpunching. He has unpleasantly surprised everyone he has fought since Taylor, and is apparently very, very intelligent and adaptible in the ring. Ward is still the pick - but, Amayseng, I think your description of Froch's weaknesses is not accurate.

brownsugar says:

Froch is a beast, his trainer McCracken (what a name for a boxing coach) is working with the UK's Olympic hopefulls so Froch has access to the best sparring possible against young, quick, agile, future champs........and for this fight he's a half pound lite and looking ripped like a chiseled piece of IRON.

Ward looked his best against the straight up boxing Kessler. But has won his other fights maintaining a decent winning margin while fighting either cautiously or using his calculated punch and grab brawling tactics.

I watched his knockdown against Darryl Boone last night, got caught with a sneaky uppercut after having totally dominating his man for 3 1/2 rounds. Ward was literally out for 2 seconds but recuperated and held Darryl for dear life. Now his left hand is rarely far from his chin unless he's feeling really comfortable.

Hunter, his trainer is promising Ward will reveal yet another dimension in his arsenal.
He's going to need it.

On paper I'd say it's 50/50 which means in this case I have to vote like a biased American... GO GET THAT LIMEY BASTARD WARD!!!! Ward by majority decision.

amayseng says:

mortcola, i respect your opinion... when i look at a fight i look at the weaknesses of each fighter more than i do their strengths...
and when i look at ward i dont see many, when i look at froch, i see very many.

looking back at the taylor fight he got jabbed half to death and ate right hands all night without the inability to make adjustments. taylor, shot and moving up in weight also staggered him and knocked him down, hurting him..

against dirrel froch had a horrible time with quickness, speed and timing, he did not win that fight....

against AA he looked good, he followed an excellent gameplan, but AA is also his worst enemy due to his inactivity and pot shots.

against G Johnson froch looked good, but GJ came down in weight, was not his active self and not a sharp counter puncher with good footwork or agility..he follows in straight lines.

froch is not a power puncher, he doesnt have power in both hands...he is a thudding whaling puncher, he is not sharp, or blazing, he does not have one punch knockout power at the elite level so i dont know what he is talking about...

i think many are surprised to night as ward has froch going backwards most of the night in between moving laterally picking him off after the first 3 rounds....

just my opinion

mortcola says:

mortcola, i respect your opinion... when i look at a fight i look at the weaknesses of each fighter more than i do their strengths...
and when i look at ward i dont see many, when i look at froch, i see very many.

looking back at the taylor fight he got jabbed half to death and ate right hands all night without the inability to make adjustments. taylor, shot and moving up in weight also staggered him and knocked him down, hurting him..

against dirrel froch had a horrible time with quickness, speed and timing, he did not win that fight....

against AA he looked good, he followed an excellent gameplan, but AA is also his worst enemy due to his inactivity and pot shots.

against G Johnson froch looked good, but GJ came down in weight, was not his active self and not a sharp counter puncher with good footwork or agility..he follows in straight lines.

froch is not a power puncher, he doesnt have power in both hands...he is a thudding whaling puncher, he is not sharp, or blazing, he does not have one punch knockout power at the elite level so i dont know what he is talking about...

i think many are surprised to night as ward has froch going backwards most of the night in between moving laterally picking him off after the first 3 rounds....

just my opinion


You may be right. You break it down pretty well. I just think it is a really good matchup, and I'm glad I got the DVR to watch it after midnight! Enjoy.

DaveB says:

Froch has improved immeasurably since the beginning of this tournament. He struggled with Taylor but Taylor would be a beast if he didn't fade down the stretch. If he could have stayed strong there never would have been a Kelly Pavlik, as Taylor almost had him out in the second round. He would have beaten Froch easily as he would have beaten Abraham. Froch is actually hard to pick against because he does always find a way to win and he is very rugged. What is not mentioned so much is that Ward has improved a lot too. He is so good that people almost take it as a given. It seems that if this tournament hasn't killed you (Taylor, Abraham, Dirrell, Kessler) it has made you stronger (Froch & Ward). I think Dirrell will come back stronger when he returns. I see Ward coming in with a good game plan of boxing and moving, keeping his guard up, mixing up punches and trading when it is smart to do so. I really don't understand Kessler saying no one can claim to be champion until they fight him. It is disputable that he beat Froch and Ward beat the talk out of him. You could see where that fight was going before the cut and eye problem. That fight wasn't a fluke it looked like a return bout with Calazaghe if there had been one. I guess Kessler is a little punchy. Now Lucian Bute can make that claim until one of them faces and beats him. At that point, and not until then, the tournament will truly be over.

BHarper85 says:

I think Ward outboxes Froch to a UD with scores in the 116-112 range. But I wouldn't be shocked if Froch pulled off the upset with a late-round stoppage. Either way, it should be a great fight.

DaveB says:

My pick is Ward by decision. I don't think it would be a major upset if Froch were to win by decision but I would be awfully surprised. If Froch wins by knockout, to me, that would be an upset.

michaelabii says:

I am looking forward to this one. It has all the elements of a "fight of the year candidate". Wards in for a tough fight - I think Froch will surprise everyone by attempting to box and punch in intervals. Froch can box effectively when he chooses to and so can Ward. Ward is also tough and deceptively strong on the inside. Ward is of course the more "complete" fighter with probably better all round skills. The key for Ward is focus. If he boxes a smart fight he wins a majority decision in my opinion. "Smart" in this instance however could translate to dull and I think Ward knows this. I have a feeling that Ward is really out to prove something tonight. I expect him to take the fight to Froch and so dont be surprised to see a role reversal with Froch as the boxer puncher and Ward the stalker. Conditioning will be a major factor but both men have proven they can go 12 hard rounds if they have to. Frochs power at this stage may be overated but certainly not his will to win. Lets enjoy this one.

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

S.O.G. by UD. Skill wise, Ward reminds me a lot of B-Hop. He is clever defensively and will clinch and resort to dirty tactics when necessary. This fight will be competitive, but Ward will win comfortably. He is too athletic and ring savvy for Froch!

Condor says:

Ward by 7th round stoppage. I think he's looking to be sensational tonight, and will deliver.

amayseng says:

after two minutes in the first round ward landed a blazing left hook and froch went backwards the entire fight until round 11

i have ward winning 11 rounds to 1, giving froch the 12
rounds 5 and 11 were close..

but ultimately ward wins 11 rounds to 1, with froch looking like i said he would...

slow, uncoordinated, below average skills, poor technique with slow feet, slow hands

mortcola says:

You nailed it, Amayseng. Except that Ward did so much of his good work right in front of Froch. Good call.

Condor says:

Agreed amayseng but too harsh a critique of Froch, in my opinion. Froch's looking pedestrian was due to Ward. But agreed, 11-1 Ward. Ward a force. Unbeatable from 160-175. Nobody even in sniffing distance. Floyd, Manny, Vitali, Wladimir, and Ward top-5 P4P (just juggle them; any could be 1 or 5 in my eyes).

amayseng says:

well my critique was harsh because i was comparing froch to ward, where he was inferior in all aspects... froch just does not know how to adapt....he could not find a way in behind the jab and for 12 rounds continued to try to follow the jab in, unsuccessfully because his feet are too slow and ward would reposition. ward really impressed me as he stood in the pocket and was fighting with vigor with sharp hard punches while being in harms way. i think he wanted to get froch out of there. froch is a tough guy and has truly overachieved. and damn his gf is hot...

Condor says:

Well said amayseng. Agreed 100%.

michaelabii says:

Just watched the Ward/Froch fight. My first impression are: Ward fought the more even balanced fight but faded trough the late mid rounds which I did not expect. Ward was hesitant to throw the right hand which I could not understand. I was not blown away by Wards performance even though the Showtime telecast team were super high on Ward. Froch pressured effectively in the late and championship rounds and were this a 15 round fight the result may have been different as Ward was clearly tiring. I still think Bute is the all around package. Balance, Power and ring intelligence. Butes wins are emphatic whilst Wards performances seem workmanlike but give him credit - the man knows how to win and thats what Champions are made of.

amayseng says:

michaelabii,,, ward did not throw the right hand much, imagine if he did, because of the cut over the right eye...if he throws the right hand he is more vulnerable for a left hook counter from froch...i knew this was gonna be the case. ward is smart and realized that he could beat froch convincingly with the left hook and jab with right hands mixed in inside up on frochs chest where the right eye is safer.....

ward fatigued a bit, but he only decisively lost the last round.

Condor says:

Once Ward's in control, he just doesn't take risks (this hurts him from a crowd pleasing perspective). I think he beats Bute with complete ease (just a hunch; indeed, I think Froch beats Bute - and I have no hate for Bute). Ward's slippery, as Froch put it. While he's in his prime -where he is now- he's untouchable. And he has a damn good chin.

amayseng says:

i think bute gets froch out of there in 8 rounds.. honestly, bute has those angles and is a south paw..bute in my opinion is faster than ward and has more pop...

and i think ward vs bute is a toss up... but def in my opinion i think bute knocks froch out..

MisterLee says:

Bute is overrated... who has he beaten that has boxing skills and power? Andrade, Miranda, and Glen Johnson were all come forward fighters with no speed or dimensions... I honestly think Froch and Kessler are better than Bute. Bute is overrated fo's ho!

michaelabii says:

Dont mean to take anything away from Wards performance which was good but I just thought he could have won more convincingly and could possibly have stopped Froch. Ward was a more fluid speedster a few years ago but is obviously now a more seasoned fighter but markedly slower. He has however found a way to win in all his fights against top level competition and must be considered a pound for pound candidate. I talked about the right hand not being thrown more often because Froch was available for that punch all night. Ward should have thrown it hard and fast over Frochs low left but he kept hesitating. Bute throws more fluid combinations although he may not be as strong or physical on the inside. Ward is not so much a great inside fighter as he is a very physical fighter on the inside.

michaelabii says:

Bute is overrated... who has he beaten that has boxing skills and power? Andrade, Miranda, and Glen Johnson were all come forward fighters with no speed or dimensions... I honestly think Froch and Kessler are better than Bute. Bute is overrated fo's ho!


Its obvious that both Froch and Ward have fought the better quality opposition than Bute has but Bute is certainly as skilled as either of these fighters and in my opinion punches with more authority than Ward. Frochs punches are more of the clubbing variety. As they say in boxing his punches "move you". This was by no means a scincilating fight but it was absorbing. I thought Ward had it in the bag by the middle rounds but he appeared to lose focus.

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