"Floyd Mayweather Will Beat Manny Pacquiao By Comfortable Decision"

BY Frank Lotierzo ON November 14, 2011
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Pacquiao Marquez 111112 005aAfter the third meeting between Manny Pacquiao 54-3-2 (38) and Juan Manuel Marquez 53-6-1 (39) concluded this past Saturday night, the HBO broadcast team of Jim Lampley, Max Kellerman and Emanuel Steward were quick to point out that Marquez's trainer Nacho Beristain was the scapegoat and part of the reason why the decision favoring Pacquiao was met with disapproval by most of the fans attending the fight, simply because Beristain told Marquez he had the fight won. Yeah, no less than six, and probably more like seven rounds of Marquez out-boxing Pacquiao was unraveled by one sentence.

How transparent was that? Everyone reading this knows Marquez wasn't going to get the decision unless he beat Pacquiao half to death and he was being held up by the referee when the fight was over. Nacho isn't why his fighter didn't win the decision - even if Marquez won the last round the fight would've been a draw. Prior to their third fight there wasn't much separating them and depending on who you asked, either fighter could've been declared the winner of both bouts. And their third fight this past weekend was no different. It was a very close fight and I wouldn't consider the decision favoring Pacquiao a robbery. However, I scored it for Marquez 7-5 or 6-5-1 and thought he clearly won.

Those who are blaming Beristain are happy that things went the way they did and Pacquiao won the decision. Blaming Nacho is a smokescreen and deviates from the fact that Pacquiao has lost a little quickness and was a step behind Marquez for the better part of the fight. Manny is befuddled by straight punches and is often knocked out of position by them. As it was stated here before the fight, you don't have to hurt Pacquiao to beat him, you just have to bother him and make him think instead of react, and that's what Marquez did.

Based on how Pacquiao looked against Marquez this past weekend, Floyd Mayweather better drop the Olympic style drug testing demands and make the fight. He's already waited too long and with the consensus favoring Marquez as to who won this past weekend, Mayweather can't even claim he was first to beat Pacquiao during his great run over the last six years if he does win when they fight.

It's amazing how Mayweather toyed with a younger Marquez and Pacquiao had life and death with him two years later fighting at 144. Maybe it's just one of those things and Marquez, like Ken Norton with Ali, has Pacquiao's number. Then again maybe it's more because Manny is bothered by fighters who throw straight punches and don't try to take his head off.

If you're a huge Pacquiao fan or a Mayweather hater, hope and pray that Manny and Floyd never cross paths. Because if they do, you're going to have your feelings hurt. Mayweather will beat Pacquiao by a comfortable decision and control the action most of the way. Pacquiao will look as though he's stuck in second gear the whole fight. And then we'll have to hear Mayweather say he's the greatest ever because he beat a fighter who was stopped twice, was out-boxed by Erik Morales one night and in three bouts with Juan Manuel Marquez, has yet to beat him one time conclusively.

Manny Pacquiao is an all-time great and if Mayweather takes him apart, he should get his due props. But the bottom line is, Floyd Mayweather is too big and has the perfect style to beat Manny Pacquiao (this is nothing new here) and the longer the fight takes to be made, the more it favors Mayweather.

Comment on this article

FighterforJC says:

An article not worth validating with a response, but since I'm the black sheep here, I'll bite. HELL NO.

LOL.

vegasxxx says:

Mayweather hasn't tasted Pacman's power yet. Marquez has, 4 times already, and that's why he ran and did not engage. That's the reason he lost also. However, if he did try to take it to the Pacman, he most likely would've gotten knocked out. He knew this. Glory is forever. He should have taken the risk and become one of the greatest Mexican fighters of all time. Win or lose he was going to make $5million. Should've taken it to him and went after that belt.

In the end JMM is 0 for 3 vs. Manny. Counter punching doesn't work in a championship fight. Pac is better than ODLH and will NOT lose a split decision to Mayweather like Oscar did. Freddie will be the difference in that fight.

jacubi50 says:

Talk is cheap lotierzo. Bring on Floyd and we'll see what happens. Stop spreading these kinds of nonsense articles.

amayseng says:

you can not rely on triangle theories, they dont work in boxing.

yes floyd is savy and a better fighter than JMM. however, he is not an offensive power

house like jmm. jmm has more in his offensive arsenal than floyd. yes floyd is bigger, stronger, taller with a longer reach but floyd does not fight in combos like jmm does.

also, floyd hasnt had 24 rounds with pac to know his tendencies and angles...

floyd will not win vs pac, pac has that equalizer that will keep floyd from walking him

down with the right hand like he thinks he will. floyd got rocked twice by shane, staggered into queer street, what happens when pac catches him?

pac is faster and has more power than shane.

i honestly think that pac fought below his level to lure floyd into a fight...

seriously.

amayseng says:

also, jmm came in at a solid 142 lbs, dude was solid, fast and strong.

this favors manny as he wont have to adjust to a strong opponent like floyd.

floyd will have to do the adjusting to hand and foot speed, and angles.

something floyd has never had to do.

maroc says:

be careful with what you are asking lotierzo...i don't want you to put your foot where your mouth is. but first, let your floydie grow balls and convince him to step up the plate. no more excuses, alibis, and lies.

topeb says:

uhum! It can't be over till it's over... Yes you analyze it with the use of other opponents, but this is sweet science. You can never predict what will really happen until the fighters get in the ring.

If your Floydie Gay really want to fight Pacman now, he should stop those damn alibi and sign the contract once and for all and stop ducking Pac on tose claims of PED's. I'm so sick of those damn trashtalk!

Radam G says:

Romanticizing about Money May beating Da Manny because of fighting-to-last-the-distance cry-baby, fibbin' Marquez is typical of bandwagon jumpers, hoping-sh*t fist pumpers and don't-know-what-it-is booty bumpers.

Da game is full of opical illusions and mass confusions. Money May would not be able to beat Da Manny anymore than young "Big" George Foreman was able to beat GOAT Ali, who had serial difficulties with the late, super-great "Smokin' Joe Frazier and the jaw-breaking, part Superman, part super Mandingo warrior Kenny Norton. The now Rev. George Foreman tore their a$$es up, then got his own arse rope-a-doped.

Money May would not be able to beat Da Manny anymore than Iran "The Blade" Barkley was able to beat Roberto Duran, who was kayoed quickly by "Hitman" Tommy Hearns, who The Blade owned. Whuppin the Hitman's twice, once by KAYO! But Duran schooled and fooled The Blade.

Bottomline, looking good or bad or sloppy against fighter A and B don't have sh*t to do with you looking good and/or easily and/or viciously winning against fighter C.

Money May says that he's a soldier. WTF! Join the U.S. military or Buffalo soldier up and enter dat squared jungle across from Da Manny and PROVE it. Money May would fail worse than Riddick Bowe did, if he joins the U.S. military, as Bowe did. And, in dat squared jungle against Da Manny, Money May will get beat da fudge up and a tasty balut and tuyo a$$ whuppin!' Holla!

DaveB says:

Mayweather beat Marquez because Mayweather is a defensive fighter and Marquez is a counter-puncher. By the very nature of that Marquez will always do better fighting Pacquaio because Pacquaio is an offensive fighter. Marquez has something to work off of. Mayweather only throws one or two punches at a time and it doesn't give Marquez any opportunities to do anything. Also don't forget that Mayweather came in a lot stronger due to not having to drain down to the catchweight. Marquez came up in weight the wrong way and looked pudgy and slow in that encounter. Even with that he caught Mayweather but just couldn't hurt him. On Saturday he looked very fit. But having said that do I think he would beat Mayweather in a rematch? No I don't. His style is just not made for Mayweather who doesn't throw many punches and is highly defensive minded. The result Mayweather has with Pacquaio has nothing what so ever to do with Mayweather or Pacquaio's results against Marquez. Mayweather will have to deal with Pacquaio's onslaught. I think that fight will be a good one and I hope it happens. Maybe now Mayweather can put away the PED issue forever but in truth he will still have to save face. Let the fight happen. We've waited too long.

amayseng says:

good post Dave B

nani68 says:

if A beats B and B beats C it doesn't mean that A will beat C. in your logic mr. writer that's what it is. Ali beats by frazier and frazier knockout by foreman is this mean that foreman will beat Ali? No! just like what happened to their fights. your wrong logic does not apply here.

"B" says:

Well no one really knows who will win if the two actually fight. But here is what i think pelople are not realizing when watching Manny and Juan fight. It is not because Marquezw has some mystical power to fight Manny or something. It's not a Marquez thing....it's a boxing thing. I challenge everyone to look at who Manny has fought and name every fundamentally sound technician(close to their prime) that he has fought and beaten......the answer is Marquez...It is not that deep tss nation. Manny is a great fighter but even after all he has learned from Roach( which is alot) , he has and always will have issues with guys who are good elite "boxers" . key word "box". Manny has problems with Juan because he can not just use his athletic ability to overwealm him. Manny has a lot of great attributes but playing chess in the ring is not one of them. I have been saying for years that if you put a guy who can really box with comparable speed in with Manny that he will either loose or not look good. Why can't people watch a fight and loose the emotions....I guess thats the "fan" in fanatic though. And before you Mayweather haters accuse of being on his jock just keep your mouths closed... I am not a big fan of either guy. But i respect/love the sport first...and I also respect what Manny and Floyd sacrifce to do what they do. I just watch the fights and call it like it is. Leave the feelings at home...besides i forgot my violin

mortcola says:

In one respect, Frank is right: a savvy, straight punching quick counterpuncher with good anticipation has the best possible style to beat Pac. Mayweather is at least even money to beat Pac, and I've said this all along. However, the writers reminding us not to try those triangle explanations are right: styles definitely make fights. Marquez has the absolute scientific blueprint for making Pac look ordinary. Just not for punching often or decisively enough to actually win. But there is another consideration. I don't think Pac is slipping physically. His reflexes were fine, he was in great shape. But, writing as a professional observer of motivation and mentality, I think Pac is not only distracted by his quadruple life of saviour, celebrity-singer, politician, and fighter, I think he is no longer comfortable with the persona of "attacker". There was something half-hearted and not particularly hungry in his demeanor in the ring the other night, apart from the frustration that Marquez' intelligent countering caused him. I think Manny is not a hungry fighter anymore, and wants no more than to give a good show, without undue violence. He showed mercy to Mosley and Margarito, and hesitated a great deal against JMM even when not particularly troubled by JMM's responses. I think Manny has transcended the poor hungry fighter, and as a result will not be as effective any more unless it gets through to him in a desperate, motivating way, that his legacy has been built on both his viciousness and his decent humility. Without the viciousness, he'd better just focus on politics. Against Mayweather, he better have every bit of slum-child hunger he can find, cause tearing chunks of meat like the skilled Tasmanian devil he is at his best is the way he wins that fight.

brownsugar says:

Ha ha LOL... nice one Mort... I like the insight. The bright lights can soften up the best of em' sometimes (look at Roy Jones). Especially when a fighter makes so much money he loses millions to camp groupies, gambling and promoter fees to the extend that he has hire an accounting firm to keep track. Although I don't believe in the infamous "Triangle Theory" I think Mayweather has much more in common with JMM (but to a much greater degree)to make the "triangle theory" valid.
Many questions... how does Marquez stay competitive with the annointed P4P best at the age of 38... and box the ears off the worlds most vicious ring predator in recent memory?? I'll never know. But you and F4JC have provided the best explaination I've heard yet.
It's good to see that Flo Lo hasn't let his intense Mayweather hate prevent him from writing an honest article .... impressive.

ultimoshogun says:

Ha ha, denial isn't just a river in Egypt...and I see some Pacfans are still covinced Pacquiao can beat Floyd. After last weeks fight my friends who I have debated for the last few yrs that Floyd will beat Manny came crashing back down to earth when they witnessed a 38 yr old fighter made Manny look very normal for 12 rds. I'm even more confident now that Floyd will beat Pacquiao IF the fight ever happens.

FighterforJC says:

Ha ha, denial isn't just a river in Egypt...and I see some Pacfans are still covinced Pacquiao can beat Floyd. After last weeks fight my friends who I have debated for the last few yrs that Floyd will beat Manny came crashing back down to earth when they witnessed a 38 yr old fighter made Manny look very normal for 12 rds. I'm even more confident now that Floyd will beat Pacquiao IF the fight ever happens.


Actually you're the one in denial. It doesn't matter how "confident" you are that Floyd will beat Pacquiao, the fact is, Floyd is the one who needs to be confident. His constant ducking is the only evidence. The truth is, you don't want to see the fight happen. You just want to leave it as a hypothetical fight, whereas you fantasize of Floyd beating Pacquiao based on the asinine reasoning that since Floyd beat Marquez, Floyd would beat Pacquiao. As long as the fight doesn't actually happen, you can rage on behind your keyboard on Floyd's favorite game, the WOULD's and COULD's.

I just hope you're more correct than the oddsmakers who made Pacquiao the 9-1 favorite over JMM in your assessment of Mayweather's chances against Pacquiao. But we'll never find out. ALL of FLoyd's fans don't want to know the truth. You're 100% content with hypothetical scenarios.

Real Talk says:

Ok it's time for the Real Live action like Sam L. Jackson in a Time to Kill. Floyd gon grab the money bags and quietly peel......off into the Dark Knight. Technicians and good boxers have always gave Manny problems we all know this. You can try to spin it anyway you want but not even the greatest master spin artist of ant campaign can hide was and has been on more than one occasion shown to the world. Just because most people are to dumb to see what's right in front of their faces and get brainwashed by the media and Master promoting doesn't change anything. Good jabs/straight shots, good defense and ring generalship will do it more time than not. Mixing your punches up.....man listen....Pac has four rds an a punchers chance. Good match making can only take you so far, when Cotto boxed he gave Pac problems and he doesn't have half the ring IQ of Floyd. Marquez out boxed him 3 times. Morrales outboxed him by boxing smart and having the balls to give it back to him as good as you get it. Pac is not invincible, never was....he has been handle very good for most of his career but some of us know what Bob Arum knows....his guy is very beatable. Floyd UD all damn day in the PAINT. Chew n swallow THAT!!!! Dueces

FighterforJC says:

Ok it's time for the Real Live action like Sam L. Jackson in a Time to Kill. Floyd gon grab the money bags and quietly peel......off into the Dark Knight. Technicians and good boxers have always gave Manny problems we all know this. You can try to spin it anyway you want but not even the greatest master spin artist of ant campaign can hide was and has been on more than one occasion shown to the world. Just because most people are to dumb to see what's right in front of their faces and get brainwashed by the media and Master promoting doesn't change anything. Good jabs/straight shots, good defense and ring generalship will do it more time than not. Mixing your punches up.....man listen....Pac has four rds an a punchers chance. Good match making can only take you so far, when Cotto boxed he gave Pac problems and he doesn't have half the ring IQ of Floyd. Marquez out boxed him 3 times. Morrales outboxed him by boxing smart and having the balls to give it back to him as good as you get it. Pac is not invincible, never was....he has been handle very good for most of his career but some of us know what Bob Arum knows....his guy is very beatable. Floyd UD all damn day in the PAINT. Chew n swallow THAT!!!! Dueces


There's NOTHING to chew and swallow. Your name says it all. It's just TALK. Like I keep saying, Floyd's fans DO NOT want the Pacquiao fight to happen. You guys are 100% happy TALKING on what Floyd WOULD do to Pacquiao, even if Mayweather never actually does it. And yeah, Cotto winning 2 rounds max against Pacquiao is "giving him problems." lol

Radam G says:

Bullsh*tology is always a comfort zone for the bullsh*tters. All Money May has to do is STEP UP and shut da fudge UP! Let his skills to pay the bills talk. For himself, he doesn't need band-wagon jumpers to stalk. He's a REAL man, and for an arse whuppin,' he has to take his own walk. But he is also like Sugar Ray Robinson -- one of the greatest pound for pound of all times. And it takes being smart and ducking. Not to any dumb sh*t fanfaronades think up in those noggins -- and bucking.

No matter how stupid know nothings sound, reality will always be around. It's an unstoppable motion. It's like the rising tides of the ocean. And eventually drowns reality distortion. A know nothing may not receive what his distorted thoughts conceive. Because reality will be on his arse still, you can believe. Fantasies, optical illusions, mass confusions, serial automagical bullsh*tology and straight fibbing are to deceive. But in the end, honesty and truth, they cannot relieve.

Wilding is always something that one should always expect from haters, fakers, faders, busters and know nothings until that sweet day of a royal a$$ thrashing happens to their unbeatable icon, who wouldn't give them the time of day. Holla!

brownsugar says:

Hey UltimoShogun,... haven't see you around for a while,...... hope everythings Good!.......... F4JC, Mayweather has spoken, even before Pac put on his not-so-spectacular-performance against Marguez and challenged the diminutive pugilist to fight on May 5th. Manny had voiced his outrage at Marquez for wearing the "I beat Manny twice" T-shirts and promised to make him pay the price. For Pac the prefight talk became more agressive and ruthless than we had become accustomed to seeing from the normally peaceful Pinoy.... and his trainer(Ariza) swore that Manny was in the greatest shape ever and would stop Marquez between 1 and 3. Expectations were high to say the least. Then Manny shows zero improvement... backs out of the Mayweather fight... and Ariza is on BoxingScene is emphatically saying that Manny didn't follow his training instructions... All this while Arum and Roach backtrack from facing Floyd... The sympathizers are saying we should all look forward Manny fight Marquez one more time and watch him ride off in the sunset of retirement... Wow,.. what a difference one fight can make.. and this is not coming from an isolated few...
Fighters can have bad days... Mayweather had a bad 120 seconds against Mosely... nobodies perfect. But somethings different about Pac,.. don't know what it is... however I'm more convinced than ever that good footwork and fundamentally sound boxing skills, will beat him all day everyday. (although only a chosen few can actually perform on his level consistantly against the frenetic-free-swinger)

Condor says:

I think Mayweather beats Pacquiao by dominant decision. Similar to Mosley. Pac will have his moments early, then we'll settle into a systematic clinic. That's just me. If Pacquiao bombs him out, beautiful. I just don't see it.

I will say this though. Back in the day, the Tyson camp gleefully accepted Holyfield after a putrid performance against Bobby Czyz. And prior to that -I think- a KO loss to Bowe. Bottom line, guys need motivation. Even though Marquez provides motivation for Manny, and they're true rivals, Mayweather is a different deal.

Hey, I hope it happens. My dog in this fight is the sport of boxing.

MisterLee says:

Oh radam, you sound so clownish that I had to come back for this one:

you have gone from sounding like a boxing wizard to sounding like a desperate fanboy. if you want to talk about optical illusions, i can talk about hallucinations and kool-aid gulping by folks like you who cannot except that a fighter like pacquiao has severe limitations to his game. If marquez was running (which he was not), why did manny never ONCE cut off the ring? If marquez was truly fighting just to survive how was it that pacquiao's head was getting snapped back in just about every round while you struggle to find even more than three moments where it looked like he had marquez rocked? You bring up the examples of iran barkley, tommy hearns, and roberto duran as examples trying to make far off connections seem relevant, but you fail to mention that barkley is a straight ahead plotting fighter with no boxing skills to speak off, hearns was soft chinned as leonard proved all the way back in 1981 (7 years before barkely KO'd him), and roberto duran was knocked out because hearns had one of the best right hands in the history of the lower weights. styles make fights yeah, and marquez's counter punchign and timing troubles manny. well guess what? mayweather has better timing, better speed, and better reach than marquez. You're lucky mayweather is even out there to use his name to buoy pacquiao's popularity. his entire career since 2008 has been based off what he has done compared to mayweather, and as of last saturday night that has been blown up since he was beaten up for 9 out of the 12 rounds he fought marquez and floyd was barley touched by marquez. oh yeah, when mayweather fought marquez he was 2 years younger and at the same weight. last question: how come at the end of round 12, marquez raised his glove immediately, and pacquiao sulked back to his corner shaking his head?

MisterLee says:

Oh yeah, courtesy of Frank Z.

FighterforJC says:

Hey UltimoShogun,... haven't see you around for a while,...... hope everythings Good!.......... F4JC, Mayweather has spoken, even before Pac put on his not-so-spectacular-performance against Marguez and challenged the diminutive pugilist to fight on May 5th. Manny had voiced his outrage at Marquez for wearing the "I beat Manny twice" T-shirts and promised to make him pay the price. For Pac the prefight talk became more agressive and ruthless than we had become accustomed to seeing from the normally peaceful Pinoy.... and his trainer(Ariza) swore that Manny was in the greatest shape ever and would stop Marquez between 1 and 3. Expectations were high to say the least. Then Manny shows zero improvement... backs out of the Mayweather fight... and Ariza is on BoxingScene is emphatically saying that Manny didn't follow his training instructions... All this while Arum and Roach backtrack from facing Floyd... The sympathizers are saying we should all look forward Manny fight Marquez one more time and watch him ride off in the sunset of retirement... Wow,.. what a difference one fight can make.. and this is not coming from an isolated few...
Fighters can have bad days... Mayweather had a bad 120 seconds against Mosely... nobodies perfect. But somethings different about Pac,.. don't know what it is... however I'm more convinced than ever that good footwork and fundamentally sound boxing skills, will beat him all day everyday. (although only a chosen few can actually perform on his level consistantly against the frenetic-free-swinger)


Are you serious? How can Pacquiao "back out" of the Mayweather fight when there are no negotiations? If Mayweather indeed has shown any interest in facing Pacquiao this time out, it wasn't the first time and Mayweather's track record only proves that he doesn't mean what he says. Remember Mayweather's infamous "Pacquiao, you're next!" from the Ortiz press conference? Not too long after that he turns around and says he didn't really mean it. Pacquiao wasn't pleased with his performance and the knee jerk reaction would be to try to settle it as soon as possible. It's a no-win situation for Pacquiao. Should he pursue the Mayweather fight, he would be accused of ducking JMM and waiting for him to get even older.

And as far as Pacquiao showing "no improvement," I beg to differ. Pacquiao showed a lot of improvement in terms of his balance, defense (his face was unmarked and JMM's connect rate against him was around 31%, roughly the same as Pac's against JMM's). Pac was also considerably stronger than JMM this time out and JMM didn't even bother to try to hurt Pac. JMM's punches were much more significant in the first two fights where he would actually hurt Pacquiao when he landed solid shots.

As I explained on another thread, I believe Pacquiao's mistake was that he was so determined to prove his technical improvements over the last 3 years and he focused too much on NOT looking raw and undisciplined at the expense of a furious offense he needed to overcome Marquez. Team Pacquiao deemed it a crime for Pacquiao to resemble his aggressive and "less refined" offense and it seemed as though their main priority was to maintain his "evolved" fighting style. Far be it that Pacquiao's face looked swollen and bloody at the end of the fight because that would make him look bad. Obviously the strategy backfired. I seriously believe that their strategy was to try to outbox Marquez and prove his technical superiority over JMM.

Big Rog says:

Radam, Big Rog is back to remind you that I am getting ready for a gloatfest once your man gets schooled and stopped by Floyd. Saturday was a pre-cursor to what will happen to your man in spades if Bob dare let him in with Floyd. The writing is writ large on the wall, fella. You manny fans are like a river in Egypt- In da nile! Geddit? Like HBO, manny, freddie,bob and the pactards you are trying to tell me what my eyes see is a mirage! Ha ha ha! Manny got completley outboxed. Compubox? As Disreali once said " there are lies, damn lies and statistics." All this GOAT rubbish and he got schooled by a fat, old lightweight. Don't believe the media bolderdash against the brother. Amandla!
I'll be back after the night of the fight that I pray will happen and expose your hollow and ignorant ramblings. Hopefully you'll acquire a bit of humility which is a virtue you lack. Boring read too,bro. You are deluded if you think you are entertaining, knowlegeable and funny. Hollow!

Radam G says:

Hey you bone-headed, fibbing, phony, BYYYYTTTTTTCCCCCCHHHHHHH! Go play with your imaginery professors, special forces and secret services. Hehehehehe! Wow! Yo' dumb arse won't be able to do yo' cloning magic. You ain't nuffin' big but a ___ ____ ____ tragic. You won't be running Jack sh*t in this new TSSU, sucka! So you may as well run yo' dumb a$$ to the sorry-a$$ xenophobic site known as ThyBlackMan dot com.

If Money May bites, he'll get his Bluecoat-Buffalo-soldier bully arse torched and sorched like his pops-trained Redcoat ruffy Ricky Hatton got it. This is real life, you piece of ___ and ___!

I just love this new Universe. I can even put your trifling arse on IGNORE! So be there and be GONE! Too bad that you won't be able to post dumb, racist syet, like you did in the old Universe.

Big B___h, everybody and dey momma know that you are ugly as sh*t with a peabrain and seed-size cojones. I bet that you drink your peepee too. It gives you power to lie about your imaginery spy adventures with M__5. Yup! NOT! Hehehehehehe! "I just luv it when a plan comes together! Holla!

ultimoshogun says:

Thanks for the shout out Sug! All is good, thanks for askin. Good to see Real Talk and the Caveman back in the mix too. @FJC, let me just make it clear that i've never been a Mayweather fan, although I do side with him on the whole blood test issue and enjoy watching his skills in the ring just like I enjoy watching Manny. I'm just stating my opinions as a fight fan...and I most definitely want this fight to happen to finally settle the P4P debate.

Radam G says:

NEWS FLASH: Big Rob is OFF his meds and has escaped from the psych ward again! And has come crashing into TSSU. His imaginery cyberspace ship is a piece of s__t! And he is ___ ____ ____ da ___! Holla!

TerryIgnacio says:

More people are beginning to think so, especially after seeing Manny's last fight. Remember, when Joe Frazier fought Ali for the first time, it was expected that Ali would beat Joe handily, but it was not to be. My point is simply that it is difficult to predict who would emerge as the victor. The only way to settle this is for the two guys to fight.

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

Manny is made to order for Mayweather. Below is my personal skill attribute break down:

Reach: Advantage Mayweather

Speed: Even

Defenese: Advantage Mayweather

Ring Generalship: Advantage Mayweather

Power: Advantage Manny

Chin: Advantage Mayweather

Boxing IQ: Advantage Mayweather

Mayweather is a better all around boxer than Manny and I hope the fight gets made!

dino da vinci says:

@SRD. No advantage in the chin department. Both men take an above average shot.

TerryIgnacio says:

Just because Floyd dominated Marquez while Manny didn't, this does not automatically mean that Floyd would dominate Manny. When he fought Mayweather, it was the first time that Marquez moved up in weight. Also, he was forced to fight as an aggressor (which was not his style) against probably best counterpuncher today. Don't get me wrong, I'm not denying the superiority of Floyd's performance against that of Manny's. I'm just saying that one should take into consideration the factors I mentioned. We can only discuss and debate, but the only solution is for the fighters to face each other in the ring. This may even turn into a trilogy.

TerryIgnacio says:


alt="Pacquiao Marquez 111112 005a"...
It's amazing how Mayweather toyed with a younger Marquez and Pacquiao had life and death with him two years later fighting at 144. ..


I understand your point of view, but a conclusion based solely on their fights against a common opponent cannot be definitive. To illustrate, let us compare the results of the fights of Pacquiao and Mayweather against de la Hoya. Floyd only managed to get a split decision, while Pacquiao made de la Hoya quit. From this we then could say that Pacquiao will easily win over Mayweather, a totally opposite conclusion.

ultimoshogun says:

@Shoulder Roll, I pretty much agree with your assesment, but like dino da vinci I think they're equal in the chin department.

Radam G says:

Da Manny will put a squared-jungle arse-thrashing on Money May.

Da roll Shoulder Roll Defense works against slow-arse conventional fighters and scary-arse doing-dumb-syet southpaws and natural right-handed fighters perpretrating a fraud of being a lefty. Da Manny would KAYO Bluecoat Buffalo soldier Money May as quickly as he got Redcoat Ricky. Look for my expert opinion below. Hehehehehe!

Offense: BIG advantage = Da Manny.

Courage: SUPER BIG advantage = Da Manny.

Intelligence: HANDS DOWN advantage = Da Manny

Corner work: CANNOT BE MATCHED advantage = Da Manny

Punching Power: I don't know what in da heck SRD is spittin about, the AWESOME KNOCKOUT POWER = Da Manny

Fighting IQ: Da Manny [A boxing IQ doesn't mean sh*t, when a boxing sucker is in a pro fight. We are not in the amateurs.]

Adapting IQ: Da Manny

Improvising IQ: Da Manny

Squared jungle foot speed: Da Manny

Tricks of the trade and blatantly fouling: Money May

Da Manny is a better overall professional fighter than Money May.

In that squared jungle, every boxer has had to go to the street. Fantasy boxing works in the amateurs, but not the pros against a whupa$$ pugilist who knows the difference between pro fighting and pro bullsh*tting. In the pros, yo' godd*mn a$$ has to fight. [Standing around letting somebody do a shoulder on you is BUNK!]

Just ask the great amateurs who couldn't transfer over to the pros. Don't let me have to name them. Money May has been lucky and wonderfully MATCHED. THAT"S RIGHT! WONDERFULLY MATCHED!

I know an optical illusion when I see one. I didn't know Houdini, but I knew Bundini. He told me that the biggest blinding is a fool who sees every fudging thing with his freaking eyeballs and heart. He couldn't see an arse-thrashing coming for syet. And this is the saga of Money May's nuthuggers, fanboys and groupies. Da muthasuckas cannot see for looking so darn hard.

OMFG! I'm lickin' my choppers if this bout happens. But Money May is on da super real just like Sugar Ray Robinson was. SRR was smart to duck the "Black Murder Row." Money May may be smart enough to be similar, follow the Sugarman and duck the ONE MAN PINOY MURDER ROW. Hehehehehe! Of course I hope that Money May doesn't, so that Da Manny can crush another myth of black athlete superiority. I got some black ops for Fam May. Hehehehe! Holla!

Radam G says:

Oh, YUP! IT IS A FREE WORLD, MisterLee. I'm been called more than clownish by bandwagon jumpers, da blind and da _____. I think for myself. Thank-you! And I know reality just fine. To each his own. Nobody controls the way that he thinks I suppose to sound. I don't try control anybody's thoughts, so nobody should try to control mine. Be free to believe what you like, and let me do the same. I don't need to call anybody a foul name. I'm all about the fun, and know that Da Manny is NUMBER ONE! Call it what you like. I know da game. Da FAME and da lame! Holla!

Radam G says:

Wow! Suckas are just hating that the cloning days of the old Universe are CUPOO! Not a single nutcase and his sidekick -- just one of his multi personalities -- can CLONE yours truly. "I just luv it when a plan comes together." Hehehehe! And now the L Team can break outta all the psych wards they want, but they can't get their LOONEY on. Not in da nowadays TSSU! Disappointment of that has kept them limited in posting or postless. Hum! Serves 'em RIGHT! Holla!

TerryIgnacio says:

Manny is made to order for Mayweather. Below is my personal skill attribute break down:

Reach: Advantage Mayweather
Speed: Even
Defenese: Advantage Mayweather
Ring Generalship: Advantage Mayweather
Power: Advantage Manny
Chin: Advantage Mayweather
Boxing IQ: Advantage Mayweather
Mayweather is a better all around boxer than Manny and I hope the fight gets made!


I think Mayweather would have an edge in speed. while Manny has the stronger chin. Mayweather got rocked by Mosley, while Manny was hit with solid punches of Cotto and Margarito. I agree that Mayweather is a better all around boxer, but I still think Manny will win. I think the Manny that we saw last time was not his usual self, and we cannot judge his future performance by his last fight. Some would agree with me, others would not, but hey, that's what makes this fun. It would be boring if everybody had the same opinion. The only thing that would settle this if they make it into the same ring. Like you, I hope the fight pushes through!

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

Da Manny will put a squared-jungle arse-thrashing on Money May.

Da roll Shoulder Roll Defense works against slow-arse conventional fighters and scary-arse doing-dumb-syet southpaws and natural right-handed fighters perpretrating a fraud of being a lefty. Da Manny would KAYO Bluecoat Buffalo soldier Money May as quickly as he got Redcoat Ricky. Look for my expert opinion below. Hehehehehe!

Offense: BIG advantage = Da Manny.

Courage: SUPER BIG advantage = Da Manny.

Intelligence: HANDS DOWN advantage = Da Manny

Corner work: CANNOT BE MATCHED advantage = Da Manny

Punching Power: I don't know what in da heck SRD is spittin about, the AWESOME KNOCKOUT POWER = Da Manny

Fighting IQ: Da Manny [A boxing IQ doesn't mean sh*t, when a boxing sucker is in a pro fight. We are not in the amateurs.]

Adapting IQ: Da Manny

Improvising IQ: Da Manny

Squared jungle foot speed: Da Manny

Tricks of the trade and blatantly fouling: Money May

Da Manny is a better overall professional fighter than Money May.

In that squared jungle, every boxer has had to go to the street. Fantasy boxing works in the amateurs, but not the pros against a whupa$$ pugilist who knows the difference between pro fighting and pro bullsh*tting. In the pros, yo' godd*mn a$$ has to fight. [Standing around letting somebody do a shoulder roll on you is BUNK!]

Just ask the great amateurs who couldn't transfer over to the pros. Don't let me have to name them. Money May has been lucky and wonderfully MATCHED. THAT"S RIGHT! WONDERFULLY MATCHED!

I know an optical illusion when I see one. I didn't know Houdini, but I knew Bundini. He told me that the biggest blinding is a fool who sees every fudging thing with his freaking eyeballs and heart. He couldn't see an arse-thrashing coming for syet. And this is the saga of Money May's nuthuggers, fanboys and groupies. Da muthasuckas cannot see for looking so darn hard.

OMFG! I'm lickin' my choppers if this bout happens. But Money May is on da super real just like Sugar Ray Robinson was. SRR was smart to duck the "Black Murder Row." Money May may be smart enough to be similar, follow the Sugarman and duck the ONE MAN PINOY MURDER ROW. Hehehehehe! Of course I hope that Money May doesn't, so that Da Manny can crush another myth of black athlete superiority. I got some black ops for Fam May. Hehehehe! Holla!



The only advantage that Pacquiao has is in the power department and that is questionable because he hasn't really knocked anybody out except for Hatton since he has moved up in weight. De La Hoya and Cotto were TKOs. Also, Manny doesn't have the technical skill Floyd has and to say that he has better footwork is crazy. Manny has improved in this area, but he is no where near Floyd in that department. All of the heat is on Manny and Bob Arum to make the fight everybody is waiting for. Floyd wants the fight, but Arum doesn't really want it because that would be the end of his ca$h cow. I think Manny is scared because a loss would ruin his political aspirations in in the Phillipines!

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

@Shoulder Roll, I pretty much agree with your assesment, but like dino da vinci I think they're equal in the chin department.


Manny has been knocked out and Floyd hasn't ever legally touched the canvas, which is the reason I say that Floyd has a better chin.

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

I agree, but Floyd has to have a slight edge because he hasn't ever been knocked out. Manny has been knocked out twice!

TerryIgnacio says:

The only advantage that Pacquiao has is in the power department and that is questionable because he hasn't really knocked anybody out except for Hatton since he has moved up in weight. De La Hoya and Cotto were TKOs. Also, Manny doesn't have the technical skill Floyd has and to say that he has better footwork is crazy. Manny has improved in this area, but he is no where near Floyd in that department. All of the heat is on Manny and Bob Arum to make the fight everybody is waiting for. Floyd wants the fight, but Arum doesn't really want it because that would be the end of his ca$h cow. I think Manny is scared because a loss would ruin his political aspirations in in the Phillipines!


Questionable advantage in the power department for Manny? Well, i guess everyone has his own opinion, but seek the opinion of Mosley and Clottey. But anyway, we can argue about this is a lot more until we are blue in the face, but the real test is the two boxers squaring off in the ring.

Regarding being scared, Floyd probably had been scared of losing the "0" in the loss column. Now, after seeing last week's fight, he probably figures that if Marquez can nullify Pacquiao's advantages, then so could he, being stronger, faster, and bigger than Marquez.

Whether that is true or not, what we need to do is to press for the fight. As fans, we need to have our voices heard. We want that fight!

Radam G says:

A different Manny was a kayoed. A fu*kin' KID! Get over it, SRD! The here-and-now Money May has absolutely no advantage over the here-and-now Da Manny. But Da Manny has a BIG advantage over Money May. The advantage of COURAGE! And a double advantage of LIVING IN REALITY and not in REALITY DISTORTION, MEDIA MANIPULATION and the sickling thoughts of ETHNIC and RACIAL athletic SUPERIORITY.

Come on, SRD, have some cojones and reveal that backwood thinking of the early 20th Century that is still in effect today -- now on an ASIAN! I'm reminded of the "Unforgivable Blackness" of Jack Johnson. IMHO YOU, the vast majority of the U.S. media and yall cousins got Money May picked, because of Unforgivable Yellowness. [I say yellow because everybodee and dey know dat Money May called Da Manny a "yellow midget."> It no difference from over a 100 years ago, the foolishness of humans always rear it ugly head. Humans are not capable of savior faire when it comes to how it was. And that is from my Uncle Mamoy. Holla!

Radam G says:

He kayoed David Diaz also, SRD, or do you also consider that a TKO? You are amazing, SRD! I guess you have the ability to read minds. Da Manny is in no fudging way "scared" of Money May. It is the compete reverse. Money May is "scared" sh*tless of Da Manny. And rightly SO!

No matter what great skills that you believe that Money May has, they don't matter. Da sucka is going to have to FIGHT! Those skills of Money May would work if he had another similar fighter -- who was slow as syet -- with the skills. Nowadays bad-legged Lil' Floyd will have no time or space to use his "technical skill." Later for skills. [Where have you been, SRD? Money May's leg are not what they use to be. This is why -- like any great boxer -- he has compensated for that by, in the words of Money May's bullsh*tology, "walking the" opponents down.]

This will be a fight of wills. There is a long trail of defeats for "technical skills" going all the way back to ancient times. No a$$-kickers have ever given a triple f_ _ _ about technical skills. [No one man or an army.] Don't let me have to name them. But I will name one -- my mentor -- GOAT Ali. His technical skills STUNK, STANK, or whatever way you guys say that. MOST Trainers and media talking heads laughed at da GOAT, and said that he'd not be a success as a pro. Even the late, great Archie "The Ole Mongoose" Moore dump the young Cassius Clay after a few months. But THEN came the greatest P4P boksing guru of all time -- Angie Dundee. And now you know the end of the story. A trail of defeats of the technical skilled heavyweights. History loves to fu*k with the so-called experts, seers of the future and bandwagon riders and jumper. Hehehehe!

I hope that Money May listens not to his pops, but to his fans, fanfaronades, nuthuggers, groupies and _____ _____ _____, and step in dat squared jungle with Da Manny. And get KTFO! Holla!

maromero says:

come on old buddy, you know that Manny Pacquiao ran out of fire. He only has the eye of the tiger now.

maromero says:

even The Eye of The Tiger wont help Manny see a Pot Shot coming from Floyd

Radam G says:

BTW, SRD, I don't know your definition of "legally" knocked down, but I went and took a peep at his record and a video, and Money May has definitely been officially knocked down. Maybe you miss actually knocked down, then that will open up all kinds of worms. For your icon, has been sent to the canvas a few times, and the referees missed calling a spade a spade. Holla!

Radam G says:

"The Eye of The Tiger" will not help any REAL boxer see "Pot Shots" [sic] in genuine boxing. That wisecrack was more of Hollywood-induced dimwitness. "The Eye of The Tiger" is not appable for the REAL game of pugilism. [Back in the day, every legit trainer, who knew his sh*t, told his charges to stay away from excess viewing of that boxing fake movie.

"The Eye of the Tiger" for every legit pugilist and his sista is "Da smell." The trainers would shout to you day and night "to git [sic]da smell." "Keep da smell," etc., etc. You cannot throw da Hollywood Rocky Balboa reality distortion on any REAL fighter worth his salt. In dat squared jungle, the eye of a tiger, pussycat, elephant, dog or your pet hamsters, won't help yo game or a$$.

For the record, the late, great Smokin' Joe Frazier fought most of his career blinded in one eye. And he kicked many of asses, including the GOAT Ali.

The late, great "Ole Mongoose" Archie Moore couldn't see a single letter on an eye chart, so he would just start shouting out his ABCs, and tell the commission that he "just needed to smell where his opponent is," and hit da sucka with my fists -- not eyeballs."

The late, great Joe Jeanette was legally blind in both eyes and whupped [sic] tons of butts, including that of the first black heavyweight champion of the world. No other than the late, great Jack Johnson, who told "da white world" that he was "drawin' da color line against fighting old Joe.

Sugar Ray Seales -- a winner of the 1972 Olympic Games gold medal -- was a professional contender doing the 1970s, and legally blind in both eyes. He had a decent professional record where pretenders and fringe contenders ducked him more than Money May did Tony Margarito and Sugar Ray did the "Black Murder Row."

Bottomline, nice try at sarcasm. But you should know the skinny and the plenty, so that you can use the most effective kind. F*ck da tiger and da eyeball. Give me da smell and the fistic powers any day of the week. Holla!

Shoulder Roll Defense says:

He kayoed David Diaz also, SRD, or do you also consider that a TKO? You are amazing, SRD! I guess you have the ability to read minds. Da Manny is in no fudging way "scared" of Money May. It is the compete reverse. Money May is "scared" sh*tless of Da Manny. And rightly SO!

No matter what great skills that you believe that Money May has, they don't matter. Da sucka is going to have to FIGHT! Those skills of Money May would work if he had another similar fighter -- who was slow as syet -- with the skills. Nowadays bad-legged Lil' Floyd will have no time or space to use his "technical skill." Later for skills. [Where have you been, SRD? Money May's legs are not what they use to be. This is why -- like any great boxer -- he has compensated for that by, in the words of Money May's bullsh*tology, "walking the" opponents down.]

This will be a fight of wills. There is a long trail of defeats for "technical skills" going all the way back to ancient times. No a$$-kickers have ever given a triple f_ _ _ about technical skills. [No one man or an army.] Don't let me have to name them. But I will name one -- my mentor -- GOAT Ali. His technical skills STUNK, STANK, or whatever way you guys say that. MOST Trainers and media talking heads laughed at da GOAT, and said that he'd not be a success as a pro. Even the late, great Archie "The Ole Mongoose" Moore dump the young Cassius Clay after a few months. But THEN came the greatest P4P boksing guru of all time -- Angie Dundee. And now you know the end of the story. A trail of defeats of the technical skilled heavyweights. History loves to fu*k with the so-called experts, seers of the future and bandwagon riders and jumper. Hehehehe!

I hope that Money May listens not to his pops, but to his fans, fanfaronades, nuthuggers, groupies and _____ _____ _____, and step in dat squared jungle with Da Manny. And get KTFO! Holla!


I respect your opinion Radam G, but disagree. Money May is a "skill and will" fighter, kind of like your boy Sugar Ray Robinson. Sugar had a sweet style with picturesque punches, but also had one of the all-time best chins in the business. We disagree, but once again, Sugar Ray Robinson is the true G.O.A.T. Ali was technically flawed to a degree (pulling straight back from punches, etc.), but he was a physical freak of nature. He was a legitmate heavyweight with the hand and foot speed of a lightweight. Ali also had one of the all-time great chins in the business, which is one of the reasons he was able to do so well late in his career when he lost his legs.

Money Mayweather also has a great chin, which is illustrated by his ability to take two clean Mosley punches without being knocked down or out. Mosley hits harder than Pacquiao, just ask Margacheato, I mean Margarito. Pac-Man should be an underdog if he ever faces Mayweather because he isn't as skilled and can't knock Mayweather out, which would be his only chance because he definitely can't out box Money. I learned more about Mayweather in the Mosely fight than any other fight. Most fighters would have been knocked out after being hit by Mosley the way Money was in that rememberable second round, but Money kept his composure and put on a boxing clinic. In conclusion, legs or no legs Pacquiao is in for a boxing clinic if he ever fights Mayweather, which is why Arum has no intention of negotiating the fight. Holla!

Radam G says:

Hehehehehe! Much luv ta, SRD! Holla!

Radam G says:

One thing, though, SRD! As the late, great Jack Johnson use to tell da haters of his days -- according to my 108-year-old Uncle Mamoy, who saw the hated black guy whup a$$es -- "Yall is gonna be sa'prize, boss," when Da Manny knocked Money May da double fudge OUT, EARLY!

I'm reminded of how every know it all and his mistress thought that it was no way that "Big George Foreman was going to KAYO the late, great "Smokin" Joe Frazier, according to my childhood boksing coach, the late, great Junior Robles. And I'm also reminded of how great promoter/con man Don King kicked my young teenage a$$ off the undercard of Douglass-Tyson Tokyo bout, because I was telling every Asian and the fortune-cookie makers that Buster was going to knock the IRON MAN da triple fudge OUT!

Now cyberspace ____ ____ and dey groupie mates are calling me CLOWNISH. But if Money May develop gut and/or grow cojones, Da Manny will knock him downish [sic]. I will just love for da moola sucka Money May to fall for the trap dat Team and Posse (barkada) Pac have lain. We aim to paralyze Money May with a lot of pain. Da big, bad wolf will be quite easy to tame. Just to his ____, he has a lot of game. But to somebody in double-daisy know, the sucka is full of doubt, fright and quite lame. He can fool many with his optical illusion magic. But when Da Manny gets a hold of da money bragger, it is gonna be a tragic.

MFJC! I'm reminded of religious fakes telling me how "Jesus walked on water." WDDF! I told them, "So did Peter! All you have to do is have faith." Well in boksing, that faith is known as FOCUS. Not a bunch of mouthing, hoping and shoulder-rolling hocus-pocus [sic]. Holla!

brownsugar says:

Lol,...

FighterforJC says:

One thing, though, SRD! As the late, great Jack Johnson use to tell da haters of his days -- according to my 108-year-old Uncle Mamoy, who saw the hated black guy whup a$$es -- "Yall is gonna be sa'prize, boss," when Da Manny knocked Money May da double fudge OUT, EARLY!

I'm reminded of how every know it all and his mistress thought that it was no way that "Big George Foreman was going to KAYO the late, great "Smokin" Joe Frazier, according to my childhood boksing coach, the late, great Junior Robles. And I'm also reminded of how great promoter/con man Don King kicked my young teenage a$$ off the undercard of Douglass-Tyson Tokyo bout, because I was telling every Asian and the fortune-cookie makers that Buster was going to knock the IRON MAN da triple fudge OUT!

Now cyberspace ____ ____ and dey groupie mates are calling me CLOWNISH. But if Money May develop gut and/or grow cojones, Da Manny will knock him downish [sic]. I will just love for da moola sucka Money May to fall for the trap dat Team and Posse (barkada) Pac have lain. We aim to paralyze Money May with a lot of pain. Da big, bad wolf will be quite easy to tame. Just to his ____, he has a lot of game. But to somebody in da double-daisy know, da sucka is full of doubt, fright and quite lame. He can fool many with his optical illusion magic. But when Da Manny gets a hold of da money bragger, it is gonna be a tragic.

MFJC! I'm reminded of religious fakes telling me how "Jesus walked on water." WDDF! I told them, "So did Peter! All you have to do is have faith." Well in boksing, that faith is known as FOCUS. Not a bunch of mouthing, hoping and shoulder-rolling hocus-pocus [sic]. Holla!


Jesus did more than walk on water. He rose from the dead by His own power. You see the Empire State Building and you don't need to second guess yourself. You know that somebody built it. It doesn't come togetherby itself. How much more complex our solar system and everything in it? "Big Bang" you say? Well whatever that thing that exploded, where did it come from? Did all the matter in the universe just come into existence? Did something suddenly appear out of nothing? It had to have come from somewhere. It all goes back to creation. If you can accept the fact that there is a Creator, then everything else falls into place. There is nothing new that skeptics bring to the table, they are all victims of their own fallacies that are rooted in pride and hatred for the idea that they are accountable to anyone higher than themselves.

Radam G says:

TEHO! I won't do da clean up on dat one. I wish Isaiah was still with us. He's the Jesus warrior. Holla!

the Roast says:

Moment of silence for Isaiah..................... I never liked that dude.

Radam G says:

WOW! None shall speak harsh of the dead. Holla!

maromero says:

wat happened to Real Talk , don puto, salt lover, and the regulars from the old Tss site?

dino da vinci says:

Good question. It's funny how you come to respect certain posters, and others, well, less so. Over the years there have been some real good ones. Some of them have writing styles so unique that it's like a fingerprint. Radam, anyone? The names too, I love the names. "The Roast". How cool is that name? I love that. I remember the time he wrote about when he was young and referred to himself as a little roast (or however he worded it). I was roaring. AFN must have been abducted as there have been no sightings. Feroz wins years' best and retires. We'll see him in three years at the induction ceremony. I can't help read "brown sugar" without hearing MJ's voice in my head (every time) "what makes you dance so good?".

the Roast says:

@Radam, unconfirmed dead unless you know something I dont which you do cuz you are in da know.

the Roast says:

@Radam, unconfirmed dead unless you know something I dont which you do cuz you are in da know.

the Roast says:

@Dino, thanks for those kind words, I am with you on some of those greats. Andy from Newcastle is my long lost love of TSS posters. That dude was cool to me when I first wandered in. I wish I knew what happened to him. Fe'Roz stops by once in a while. Real Talk and Salt sometimes too. DP69 has not been heard from in a long time. I dont know what happened to all these guys but the way I look at it is this, In those old movies where the cavalry is riding in and one of the dudes has the flag but he gets shot and another one of the dudes grabs the flag and keeps riding. We all have to keep riding. When the Roast goes down someday, somebody grab the TSS flag and keep riding. Who's with me?!?!?

maromero says:

i remember looking for my name wenever Mister Lee or Isaiah would make theyre Top 10 of the month.lol

dino da vinci says:

@Roast. I think you're onto something! Remember seeing movies as a kid when it's late in the movie and the hero is in big trouble? And you're thinking, "Oh no, this doesn't look good at all!". But then a character from earlier in the movie, sometimes given up for dead, comes in and bails out the hero? Maybe the Mr Lee's and Andy's are hatching a plan as we speak. Hey, it could happen. I've seen crazier.

Radam G says:

Hehehehehehe! The Roast is full of comedy. WTF! Leave it to the Roast to make me crack up laughing when I'm getting on my turkey eat. "...Somebody grab the TSS flag and keep riding." OMG! Just leave it to the Roast. No doubt, IMHO, TSSU's Reader and Comedy of the Year. YUP! Dude has done a dang DOUBLE!

SERIOUS NOTE, THOUGH: I was looking around in cyberspace Obits and Indy newspapers, and I saw Isaiah Brown, a few weeks after he had posted that he was having trouble with a relative or somebody living off him and Isaiah Brown's girlfriend and baby child. Anyway, without going into details, after IB didn't posted in a while, I made some contacts to the area of Indiana where he resided. WOW! And I learned the bad news. I hoped, to this day, that it was not true. But with IB not posting for almost a year now, WELL, you know.... Holla!

Radam G says:

Ditto dino da vinci! I hope the same for IB, but I doubt that the true dead can hatch anything. Holla!

Condor says:

From what I recall, "Toonoy" Andy retired. He said he was going to spend his time watching fight films on youtube and MMA. Like Hagler, his retirement was very real; he'll likely never be seen again. School of Hard Knocks, Hakim, FightFanWest, Big Daddy, Morrison HIV+, Ricky Roma, pinoymajesty, DonPuto69, on and on. The casualty list is long.

"The Great Change" was TSS's D-Day.

dino da vinci says:

@Condor. Why is that? I do know we had some major issues getting it right. And it seemed like forever before the bugs were worked out. Our apologies. But, we had to change the format. Obviously the "clone" issue couldn't be tolerated. Having two people wishing to use the same log-in name is unacceptable. The spellcheck was horrendous. (Also note: the opposite of win is lose. Not loose.). I do know it's a heavy price to pay as I do recall we had some pretty sharp guys coming in and voicing there opinions. I'll tell you this. The few other sites I've viewed, scary. And yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion, unless, of course, it is wrong. That's what bothers me about some of the other forums. The insights are faulty, the opinions are flawed. Delivered by individuals pounding their chests, because they know their right. However...

brownsugar says:

@Condor,... Andy really made me feel comfortable on this site and gave me a big welcome...Even when I was attacked by half a dozen readers in a Pacman/Mayweather debate he never jumped on the bandwagon... AFN Andy would always drop an encouraging word to let me know I was at least on the right track.... I'll never forget him. He will be missed.

brownsugar says:

@ dino I emphathize about what you say about some of the other sites... really lets a person know what kind of neighborhood they stumbled into.

brownsugar says:

Condor I miss DP69,.. the guy was raw and unbridled... he'd disappear at least 2 or 3times a year,.. then emerge some months later talking about a bit he did in the workhouse for excessive violence... I don't want to live that lifestyle and I certainly can't glorify it... but DP was surely a breath of fresh air from time to time.

archpaul says:

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Here's the reason why Manny lost quickness and a step behind Juan.
Juan was a foot stopper! lol..

jacubi50 says:

Vegasxxx you're right on point. Although marquez and mayweather are supreme counter puncher, they are completely different. Mayweather does not like to exchange at all. Manny may get the best of him if Mayweather makes a mistake. Mayweather will not fight back like Marquez will, that's the difference. Mayweather will shell up but Manny will find the openings.

TerryIgnacio says:

Hey UltimoShogun,... haven't see you around for a while,...... hope everythings Good!.......... F4JC, Mayweather has spoken, even before Pac put on his not-so-spectacular-performance against Marguez and challenged the diminutive pugilist to fight on May 5th. Manny had voiced his outrage at Marquez for wearing the "I beat Manny twice" T-shirts and promised to make him pay the price. For Pac the prefight talk became more agressive and ruthless than we had become accustomed to seeing from the normally peaceful Pinoy.... and his trainer(Ariza) swore that Manny was in the greatest shape ever and would stop Marquez between 1 and 3. Expectations were high to say the least. Then Manny shows zero improvement... backs out of the Mayweather fight... and Ariza is on BoxingScene is emphatically saying that Manny didn't follow his training instructions... All this while Arum and Roach backtrack from facing Floyd... The sympathizers are saying we should all look forward Manny fight Marquez one more time and watch him ride off in the sunset of retirement... Wow,.. what a difference one fight can make.. and this is not coming from an isolated few...
Fighters can have bad days... Mayweather had a bad 120 seconds against Mosely... nobodies perfect. But somethings different about Pac,.. don't know what it is... however I'm more convinced than ever that good footwork and fundamentally sound boxing skills, will beat him all day everyday. (although only a chosen few can actually perform on his level consistantly against the frenetic-free-swinger)


From what I understand, there had been no negotiations yet. It was Mayweather's camp who said Nov 5 at a specified venue, details not negotiated. Also, in the announcement, the fight was against "the little fella"; no specific name was mentioned (probably for wiggle room). And then Mayweather comes out saying he's fighting as early as February, which is out of the question for Manny (too close to previous fight).

I share your observation that "somethings different about Pac,.. don't know what it is... "

TerryI says:

The only advantage that Pacquiao has is in the power department and that is questionable because he hasn't really knocked anybody out except for Hatton since he has moved up in weight. De La Hoya and Cotto were TKOs. Also, Manny doesn't have the technical skill Floyd has and to say that he has better footwork is crazy. Manny has improved in this area, but he is no where near Floyd in that department. All of the heat is on Manny and Bob Arum to make the fight everybody is waiting for. Floyd wants the fight, but Arum doesn't really want it because that would be the end of his ca$h cow. I think Manny is scared because a loss would ruin his political aspirations in in the Phillipines!


Manny questionable in the power department? Well, everybody is entitled to their own opinions. But try to get the opinion of Mosley and Clottey regarding that. Well, we can discuss the relative strengths and weaknesses of these fighters until we are blue in the face, but the real test is for them to meet in the ring.

Regarding being scared, one could make the argument that Floyd is scared to lose his beloved "0" in the loss column. After seeing the last fight, I figure that would not be a problem anymore. Floyd, the good tactician that he is, probably figures that if Marquez can do it, he can do it better, as he's bigger, faster. and stronger than JMM. All the more we should clamor for the fight to be made!

analyzinfightin says:

Mayweather hasn't tasted Pacman's power yet. Marquez has, 4 times already, and that's why he ran and did not engage. That's the reason he lost also. However, if he did try to take it to the Pacman, he most likely would've gotten knocked out. He knew this. Glory is forever. He should have taken the risk and become one of the greatest Mexican fighters of all time. Win or lose he was going to make $5million. Should've taken it to him and went after that belt.

In the end JMM is 0 for 3 vs. Manny. Counter punching doesn't work in a championship fight. Pac is better than ODLH and will NOT lose a split decision to Mayweather like Oscar did. Freddie will be the difference in that fight.


1. Marquez ran? You don't know boxing. If Marquez is a runner, Mayweather is the greatest trackstar of all-time.

2. Marquez lost because there is too much money on the line for a Pac/Mayweather bout. Like the writer pointed out, even if Marquez wins the last round, that fight is a draw, which is ridiculous.

3. Actually Marquez is 0-2-1 against Pacquiao, but many feel Marquez is at worst even in the series.

Joekhan says:

Ya right...that is what you think. That will never happen. Manny will destroy Mayweather by all means. Everyone knows Pacman has more speed than Floyd and speed KILLS.Its going to be an interesting fight and both fighters faces going to be bruised up badly.

brownsugar says:

If Manny had to go tooth and nail against Marquez, how will he blow away Mayweather?

Radam G says:

B-Sug! Don't compare Marquez and Money May. Marquez has cojones and bytch resistance against Da Manny. Money May has yet to be hit by Da Manny. Da Manny will break his bones and kayo him early.

OKEY! Let me school. Ernie Shaver had resistance against the punches of GOAT Ali and Larry "So Darn Contrary" Holmes and gave them pure hell. He even knocked Kenny Norton the double fudge out. But he could not handle the punching power of Jerry Quarry. This will be the same senerio of Da Manny-Money May.

Money May will not be able to stand up to the power or rush and gush of Da Manny. And you guys cannot accept that. Being in bad or good weather in that squared jungle, let you know that every storm is not the same. Da Manny KAYOS Money May every day of the week. Marquez gives Da Manny a contest five days of the week and will get kayoed on Sundays and Mondays. Just make the bouts on those days and see. Hehehehehe! Holla!

dino da vinci says:

The way I see it.

On one hand I would like to see it because all involved deserve a proper payday.

On the other hand, I have an uneasy feeling the undercard better be terrific because this could certainly play out to be a relatively boring fight if Mayweather chooses. And Mayweather chooses. It may have it's moments, but not nearly enough to justify waiting 2-3 years for. Worse case scenario: Both fighters feel they are winning as the fight gets towards the final rounds, there is zero sense of urgency, go to the scorecards, and only God knows from there.

Don't forget this as well. This is a highly unusual situation. Sporting events (Elections, Best Picture of the Year, US Mail) do not take this long to unfold. Even in the World Cup, the teams aren't determined until late in the process, where the two surviving teams finally meet. That night at the MGM, many argue that one of the "teams" didn't.
There is no example in sports that takes three years between the time you establish the competitors and then having them compete. I'm not saying it won't do well, just not nearly as well as it would have, and knowing Arum, this is not lost on him.

This IS an interesting experiment, so let's be glad it's Bob's money and not ours. And by the way, since it is Top Rank that is the primary global promotion entity at this stage in the program, don't you find it interesting that they wanted this fight for a very long time and now maybe not quite as much? And if you DON'T see it that way, it's probably because you and I watch a different sport.

Good Luck Bob, you may need it.

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BoxeoMichoacan says:

Mayweather beats Pacquiao the same way he beat Hatton. Pacquiao has lost a step and no longer listens to his corner or fundamentally does what is correct. Pacquiao was able to get away with it the last few years against slower "fighters" and "punchers" but would get very irritated by mayweather. I see Pacquiao getting ko'd late.

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