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    BY FRANK LOTIERZO

    This weekend boxing's only eight division titlist Manny Pacquiao 59-7-2 (38) will fight WBA title holder Lucas Matthysse 39-4 (36) for the chance to be slaughtered by WBO title holder Terence Crawford later this year. The bout takes place at the Axiata Arena in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Both Pacquiao and Matthysse are easy to root for because they always give a good effort and their styles make for action-packed fights. Pacquiao has accomplished much more than Matthysse and earned a ton more money over his career so a win does a lot more for Matthysse.

    Pacquiao is 9-4 (0) since scoring his signature stoppage win nine years ago against Miguel Cotto. In regards to his setbacks, he was knocked out in a brutal fashion by Juan Manuel Marquez, he was soundly out-boxed by Floyd Mayweather in another and in his last defeat to Jeff Horn, although some thought he deserved the decision, he took a lot of big punches and was manhandled during more than a few rounds of the fight. The Horn bout was supposed to be a free ride against a limited fighter against whom he might even score his first stoppage since Cotto. In the ninth round he had Horn pretty shook but couldn't come close to finishing the tough Aussie. This has been a common theme for Manny over the last nine years. Instead of meeting Horn in a rematch, which Manny declined, Horn made his second title defense against Crawford and was taken apart and stopped in the ninth round.

    Matthysse has fought some of the best of his era and has only been stopped once. And that was in his last defeat when he was counted out in the 10th round of his bout against Viktor Postol in October of 2015 for the vacant WBC super-lightweight title. Postol's win over Matthysse was considered an upset and more strikingly it ended with one punch, a short right to the face that dropped Lucas who took the full count on one knee. Later it was revealed that he suffered a broken orbital bone during the fight. After that, Matthysse took 17 months off and came back as a welterweight and scored two consecutive stoppage wins over Emmanuel Taylor and previously undefeated Tewa Kiram to earn his shot at Pacquiao.

    On paper Manny "Pacman" Pacquiao versus Lucas "the Machine" Matthysse has the potential to be an all-out war for as long as it lasts. The only burden watching them go at it is the prospect of what the winner will be force fed, and that's the opportunity to be eaten up by Crawford.

    Pacquiao will be fighting for the first time in roughly 15 years without Freddie Roach in his corner. Instead he's been in camp with Justin Fortune, Nonoy Neri and Buboy Fernandez. However, that shouldn't be much of a factor because Pacquiao already knows how to fight - the question for him, at 39, is how much of it and for how long can he still do it? Also, Pacquiao hasn't fought in slightly over a year and could be rusty. Granted, conditioning has never been an issue for Manny, and he still has some semblance of his punch, having dropped two of his last three opponents, Timothy Bradley and Jessie Vargas, and he did have Horn buzzed pretty good once or twice during his last fight. The bigger problem for Pacquiao has been his defense. He's never been tough to find, but his work rate has been on the downward trajectory for years and that opens him up more for his opponents to get off against him.

    Matthysse will be fighting for the third time under the tutelage of trainer Joel Diaz. Lucas was known for being a dynamite puncher at 140, but hasn't been tested against any elite welterweights. He's a skilled boxer with two-handed power; the question for him is whether he can he deliver it against Pacquiao. At one time that would've been tough because Pacquiao was a quick southpaw who threw imaginative combinations with power from unpredictable angles. His speed and activity usually nullified his opponents reach and length, something he was not successful doing against the taller and stronger Horn. Due to Manny being more upright and less fluid stylistically recently, Matthysse will probably find him with his Sunday best during the course of the bout - and how Pacquiao reacts will be something to observe closely.

    The difference between Pacquiao fighting Matthysse and fighting Horn is that Manny will be able to out-box and out-speed Matthysse and is more capable of stopping him. Horn's chin and strength enabled him to survive Pacquiao's quicker hands and offensive bursts. If he connects as clean on Matthysse as he did on Horn, Lucas will not finish the fight. Conversely, Pacquiao is more likely to get caught and stopped by Matthysse than he was by Horn. Matthysse is a bigger puncher than Horn and his delivery system is more sophisticated and consistent. And that's the hook for the fight, the chance that Pacquiao could look spectacular winning it or be stopped in a memorable fashion.

    The fight will air on ESPN+ and that's smart. It will be seen by many and because it could end in a dramatic knockout it will help launch the winner against Crawford. But the realization is that the winner will be shellacked by Crawford inside the distance. Neither Pacquiao nor Matthysse have the necessary tools to bother Crawford, let alone beat him. Actually, the fighter coming out on top between Pacquiao and Matthysse will go into the unification clash with Crawford knowing that it will be his last big money fight!

    A knockout by either shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. Pacquiao fighting Crawford is the much bigger fight. Couple that with him being quicker and better and he can win by decision or by stoppage, which I don't think applies to Matthysse. Therefore, Pacquiao has to be given the nod if forced to pick the winner.

    Frank Lotierzo can be contacted at GlovedFist@Gmail.com

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  • #2
    Pacquiao is vulnerable to anyone decent at this stage.

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    • #3
      If Lucas can finally live up to his potential, he beats Manny.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by KO Digest View Post
        If Lucas can finally live up to his potential, he beats Manny.
        It wouldn't be a shock to me.

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        • #5
          Manny looked so bad against Horn and he's just average.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by GlovedFist View Post
            Pacquiao is vulnerable to anyone decent at this stage.
            Man, you took the words out of my mouth before I could post them so I'll say them in a different way. Any elite fighter who has become vulnerable has now also become exciting.. The thing I don't like about Manny is his naïve propensity towards diva proclivities. Keep politics separate. Same with basketball and singing and keep your strange voodoo mother out of sight. Just box.

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            • #7
              I really like Matthysse in this fight. He looked great against Emmanuel Taylor last May and I think still has quite a bit in the tank. I think Pacquiao's tank is running low and the way Crawford easily handled Horn shows just how much Pac was fallen. This could look like Pac-De La Hoya. I am predicting Matthysse to win after dominating Pac whose corner does not send him out for round nine.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by oubobcat View Post
                I really like Matthysse in this fight. He looked great against Emmanuel Taylor last May and I think still has quite a bit in the tank. I think Pacquiao's tank is running low and the way Crawford easily handled Horn shows just how much Pac was fallen. This could look like Pac-De La Hoya. I am predicting Matthysse to win after dominating Pac whose corner does not send him out for round nine.
                Very bold

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                • #9
                  Golden Boy (Matthysse’ promoter) is co-promoting the event.

                  So we know (even if the fight was in USA) there is probably no point looking at the contracts for specific PED clauses.



                  However, the fight is in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

                  So (even if the contracts did detail specific/tight PED clauses) no-one is going to be enforcing border controls and/or risking their job by subjecting Senator Pacquaio to strict searches when he arrives.



                  That leaves Pacquaio’s training camp in the Philippines.

                  Who (even if the contracts do describe specific/tight PED clauses) is testing him there?

                  And, (even if the contracts do describe specific/tight PED clauses) how are they managing to get to Pacquaio to test him (in the Philippines) without providing Pacquaio lead time?



                  So, maybe the Pacquaio that got (stymied with Australian border control, and then seemed to get) old in front of Horn, won’t be quite so old this time?

                  If Pacquaio’s back on those PED's (especially EPO) and jumping around the ring flailing his arms everywhere like a hyperactive crystal meth tweaker again, it might not make it any easier for Lucas.



                  Interesting cross roads fight.

                  All we need now is for Lucas to throw a positive for Clenbuterol in true Golden Boy fashion.


                  And, over there in Malaysia, that could happen whether or not Matthysse has eaten Canelo meat.

                  Probably depends on whether or not he wins.



                  Ahh, perhaps I shouldn’t be so cynical.

                  But then I can't forget both, what I have observed all these years of Pacquaio and also what happened at Tenggarong in 2006 at the Chris John V Juan Manuel Marquez fight.



                  If Pac wins this one in style he will probably look to re-match and destroy Horn somewhere outside of Australia for all the above reasons.

                  And, if that happens Duco Events and Jeff's trainer will be unable to resist the money/lure of getting back into the international boxing scene.

                  That fight (Pacquaio V2 Horn) would make the perfect stepping stone (for Pac) for any future Crawford V Pacquaio fight that may happen.



                  .
                  Harry Greb after completing his last fight with Tunney; "I am still ready for anyone".

                  Love it !!!!







                  Cheers,

                  Storm.


                   
                  Last edited by StormCentre; 07-10-2018, 02:01 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Just got a $20 parlay in on Matthysse to win and on the under of 10.5 rounds. It almost seems to good to be true. I have been wrong before but this was just too good of a value to pass. The ticket would pay $204.80 if it wins.

                    As I stated early, I think Pac's tank is on empty and the signs are showing. Matthysse is not in his prime but has a lot more in the tank I feel and the power is still ferocious. This won't end well for Pac and too good an opportunity to make a few bucks for me to pass on.

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                    • #11
                      Usually if something - particularly (someone’s) odds (you're spruiking) - look to good to be true . . .

                      It is; too good to be true.



                      Speed is a very difficult quantity to overcome, and Matthysse has struggled offsetting that problem before, including with Judah.

                      PacPEDs, fully juiced up, is about as fast (if not faster) than Zab.

                      But also (where he differs from Zab is that) he has more intensity in his attacks.



                      From post #9 above. . . .
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                      http://www.thesweetscience.com/newfo...=9566#post9566

                      So, maybe the Pacquaio that got (stymied with Australian border control, and then seemed to get) old in front of Horn, won’t be quite so old this time?




                      Now, had this fight been in Lucas’ hometown - had there been no "connections" there for Pacquaio’s team - and also had Argentina possessed tight border controls . . .

                      The outcome may have been a different result.




                      Pacquaio is now back and Oscar will continue to do and say all he can to ensure Pacquaio (feels loved, and) slides his promotional activities over to Golden Boy.




                      Cheers,

                      Storm.

                       
                      Last edited by StormCentre; 07-15-2018, 04:42 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by StormCentre View Post
                        Usually if something - particularly (someone’s) odds (you're spruiking) - look to good to be true . . .

                        It is; too good to be true.



                        Speed is a very difficult quantity to overcome, and Matthysse has struggled offsetting that problem before, including with Judah.

                        PacPEDs, fully juiced up, is about as fast (if not faster) than Zab.

                        But also (where he differs from Zab is that) he has more intensity in his attacks.



                        From post #9 above. . . .
                        .
                        http://www.thesweetscience.com/newfo...=9566#post9566

                        So, maybe the Pacquaio that got (stymied with Australian border control, and then seemed to get) old in front of Horn, won’t be quite so old this time?




                        Now, had this fight been in Lucas’ hometown - had there been no "connections" there for Pacquaio’s team - and also had Argentina possessed tight border controls . . .

                        The outcome may have been a different result.




                        Pacquaio is now back and Oscar will continue to do and say all he can to ensure Pacquaio (feels loved, and) slides his promotional activities over to Golden Boy.




                        Cheers,

                        Storm.

                        You win some, you lose some. Pac looked great last night and Matthysse was the one who looked old. Good performance by Pac.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by StormCentre View Post
                          Usually if something - particularly (someone’s) odds (you're spruiking) - look to good to be true . . .

                          It is; too good to be true.



                          Speed is a very difficult quantity to overcome, and Matthysse has struggled offsetting that problem before, including with Judah.

                          PacPEDs, fully juiced up, is about as fast (if not faster) than Zab.

                          But also (where he differs from Zab is that) he has more intensity in his attacks.



                          From post #9 above. . . .
                          .
                          http://www.thesweetscience.com/newfo...=9566#post9566

                          So, maybe the Pacquaio that got (stymied with Australian border control, and then seemed to get) old in front of Horn, won’t be quite so old this time?




                          Now, had this fight been in Lucas’ hometown - had there been no "connections" there for Pacquaio’s team - and also had Argentina possessed tight border controls . . .

                          The outcome may have been a different result.




                          Pacquaio is now back and Oscar will continue to do and say all he can to ensure Pacquaio (feels loved, and) slides his promotional activities over to Golden Boy.




                          Cheers,

                          Storm.

                          Well called. Not that Pacquiao exactly looked like the young version of himself, but he was fast and confident (in his range and timing). He looked mean, too. All that being said, I think Crawford has his arse if and when they fight.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by oubobcat View Post

                            You win some, you lose some. Pac looked great last night and Matthysse was the one who looked old. Good performance by Pac.


                            You do indeed win and/or lose some.

                            There’s nothing wrong with getting it wrong.



                            Spruiking odds in (what is almost) an unsolicited manner with Eureka moment overtones . . . .

                            Well, that’s something else.



                            Gamble responsibly my friends.



                            There was nothing in Matthysse’s form (in my opinion) that provided any indication that he would beat a “suitably assisted” 39 year old Pacquaio.

                            Still love you though OBC.






                            Cheers,

                            Storm.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SuperLight View Post

                              Well called. Not that Pacquiao exactly looked like the young version of himself, but he was fast and confident (in his range and timing). He looked mean, too. All that being said, I think Crawford has his arse if and when they fight.

                              Cheers SL.


                              Who do you like next weekend?

                              Usyk or Gassiev.



                              Usyk’s win over Briedis took place at the tail end of a very busy schedule, I expect Usyk to be refreshed for this one.




                              Cheers,

                              Storm.


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