Let me get this out of the way: The transitive property does not apply to boxing. Iím well aware that Juan Manuel Marquez was shutout by Floyd Mayweather, Jr. in a one-sided drubbing September of 2009. Even more impressive was the fact that Floyd was coming off a long layoff. I also know the every one of the three times that same Juan Manuel Marquez has fought Manny Pacquiao, Manny was fighting for his life in hotly contested slugfests. This has no bearing on a (sigh) potential fight between the Manny and Floyd.
Juan Manuel Marquez and Manny Pacquiao would essentially have the same fight every single time they squared off against one another under sanctioned boxing rules. They are worthy adversaries for one another, and their styles are made to clash in an exciting fight. Itís just the way it is.
Against Floyd Mayweather, Manny simply has more ways to win give the sheer fact that he could conceivably stop Mayweather. I find it highly unlikely, but itís a real possibility. I think anyone with knowledge of the situation would agree that Floyd canít hurt Manny. Mannyís been in some slugfests, has no problem trading with good punchers, and hasnít been badly hurt in quite some time. Neither has Floyd, but because he is so seldom hit cleanly, we donít know much about his ability to take/respond to a good shot. I donít know that Manny has the power to hurt Floyd, but I really donít think he has to in order to win. Hereís why:
Outside of hand speed, Floydís greatest asset is his uncanny ability to remain so confident, calm, and comfortable during exchanges. It reflects his defensive brilliance, and it allows him to see every punch coming and avoid taking any serious punishment. This comfort level would work against him versus a lightning-quick combination puncher like Manny Pacquiao.
Floyd Mayweatherís aforementioned comfort level in exchanges has gotten him in the bad habit of consistently allowing himself to be backed into the ropes. Because he is such a good defensive counter-puncher, heís rarely at a disadvantage up against the ropes (very counter-intuitive to everything a boxer learns growing up). Floyd is not only not out of his element here, but his defensive prowess allows him to actually dictate the pace of a fight while heís against the ropes. Iím confident that Pacquaio--an uber-aggressive, offensive dynamo--would consistently back Floyd into the ropes. I think this will happen simply because Floyd really doesnít mind it. His apathy will cost him dearly.
While Floyd may deflect or dodge four out of every five punches thrown, Manny can still hurt him with one. More importantly, the volume of punches Manny throws will add up in the judgesí eyes. Speaking of the judgesí eyes, itís clear that any punches that land cleanly on Floyd are scored with more significance than those Floyd lands. Itís a sad truth for a fighter as defensively stout as Floyd. Since he so rarely gets hit, one clean Pacquiao shot per flurry will register in the crowd/minds of the judges as something more significant.
On top of being the harder puncher by estimation, Manny can (and I believe would) steal a minimum of two rounds by firing flurries for the last 20-30 seconds of each round. Even if most of the punches donít land, his punch output (simply throwing more than Floyd) closing rounds will win him all of the even rounds (i.e. Sugar Ray Leonard strategically did this against Marvin Hagler).
I also think Mannyís aggressive, offensive-oriented style alone will win him at least two of the first three rounds since Floyd is a notoriously slow starter compared to Pacquaio. After stealing 2-3 more rounds with flurries to finish close rounds (again, it might not even matter if anything significant is landed), all Manny will have to do is win another round or two and stay off the canvas to win a decision. Sounds simple, right?
Iím sure Floyd will consistently land hard, clean counter-punches while Manny is on his way in. The issue is that Floyd Mayweather has evolved into a one-and-done counter puncher. He sparingly throws combinations like he did as a younger fighter. Manny has a tremendous chin, and I think heíd be willing to take one of Floydís shots to get off 4-5 of his own.
While Floyd is more than capable of winning this fight, the issue is that he would need to employ strategies and tactics he has not shown in almost a decade. Itís been many years since Floyd has stood his ground in the center of the ring and forced an inside fight. I think he can win a fight against Manny in this fashion, but I donít think he would do it. I think heís so supremely confident in his ability to counter and fight off the ropes that his stubbornness would prevail.
As far as what the fight looks like, I think it looks somewhat similar to Floydís bizarre fight against Victor Ortiz. For the most part, Ortiz was able to get Floyd up against the ropes and get off punches. Granted he only landed with his head, but I think this showed an important lesson about Floydís current fighting style. In the center of the ring, Ortiz would be nothing more than a sparring session for Floyd Mayweather. Heíd pick him apart. But Floydís complete lack of concern (ignorance?) for being against the ropes gave Ortiz openings. Again, Ortiz couldnít capitalize on them, but heís not a fighter of Mannyís caliber. In a similar situation, Iím confident Manny could not only get off combinations, but actually land punches. Simply put, Manny Pacquaio is pound-for-pound the most explosive, complete offensive fighter in the last 15 years of boxing. Floyd Mayweather is undoubtedly the best defensive fighter of my lifetime (25 years and counting), but I think itís very hard for defense to win out on scorecards against an aggressive puncher like Manny.
Iím not even saying that Manny is better; I just think his style is going to make Floyd work for everything. Floyd hasnít had to do that in several years since heís hand-picked his opponents and had seldom faced a top-tier fighter in their respective prime. I donít think he can hurt Manny, but the more I think on it, heíll need to in order to win this fight.
I will first read what all the _____ _____ _____ ____ ___ ____ and ___ --____ are going to spit. SCLA Ali use to spit, "That Pacquiao [doesn't] fight black (opponents)." Then when Da Manny whoop those arses of Clottey -- an African -- and Mosley [An American], SCLA Ali started posting that Da Manny "didn't do sh** and "is not the same fighter he was."
Well! Now let me start some jive-turkey sh**! Money May looked like syet against Victor Ortiz and doesn't fight Pinoys. The one-man Pinoy murder row would kick his arse. And Money May knows it. This is why he ducks like a thousand and one birdbrains and make up ridicious jive about the Bobfather not wanting Da Manny to tangle with him.
BTW I'm shocked that TSS has not reported that Money May admitted to Da Manny that he is scare of losing to him. This is why Money May wanted such a BIG cut of the purse. Muthasucka said that boxing was his only outlet for making the big bucks and a lost would take that away. RAT [sic] ON! And you KNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW once Da Manny tap dat Lil' Floyd that is all she rows. So you muthasuckas listen to Money May blow his pied-piper flute and fall your ___ ____ ____ ____ over that cliff! Holla!
this article is what i have been saying for a year. todays floyd vs pac will not win.
pac has more speed, more power, is a knockout puncher, has better foot agility and movement and throws punches from crazy angles. he throws and lands punches while his damn feet are not on the ground, slow mo some of the cotto fight and you will see that.
floyd is a stud a defensive wizard with great ring iq and quickness. however, floyd is not a hitter, he wont deter pac with right hand leads especially against a southpaw who throws lightening combinations with starching power like pac.
floyds feet are now slow, why the hell do u think he is walking opponents down and using feints to buy time and conserve energy?
floyds trick lately is the lead right with the back leg swinging thro to give him a stiffer shot and allow him to come into his opponent to clinch and stop his opponents offense
he will not be able to do that against a more athletic and agile machine gun puncher with faster and stronger hands in pacman.
the 32 year old floyd had a chance, but not the floyd who fought shane and ortiz...
Good article, especially the line about the transitive property not applying to boxing. So many people thought that because of Pacquiao's last fight with Marquez, Mayweather would comfortably beat him. They all essentially asserted that Floyd is a bigger, stronger, faster carbon copy of JMM, which isn't true and got old. I still would give Floyd a slight edge in the fight, but it's close. Unfortunately, we're probably never going to see it. By the way, Floyd isn't the best defensive boxer of the last 25 years, let alone "undoubtedly" the best. That distinction belongs to Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker. Period. Other than that, good article.
No, I dont think Pac will win this time, Floyd will dance around and try his best to avoid exchanging punches with Pac...Pac doesnt have the grace from God since he is no longer a catholic but a born again whatever....I hope that converts like him get punished for blaming his former religion for his past sins...Pac is slipping....he will lose vs. Bradley
Floyds fast jab actually are SLAP JABS with not much power to hurt or shutter his opponents chin. instead its use is to disrupt your movements and timing. floyd knows if he can tip your angle or timing out he could take over the fight. this is also the loophole of his style, he cant handle an aggressive puncher like margarito with a good chin and stamina floyd will surely end up using his shoulder role. but to margarito this wont be very effective knowing he will keep throwing and keep coming. pacquiao is a more dangerous challenge against floyds type of defenses, with his unpredictable use of footing and angles floyd technically may fall to openings. we've seen this against mosley vs pacquiao fight where mosley realized he is already at the canvas trying to figure how pacquiao manage to knock him down. floyd dont make openings for a knock out punch. he will try to manipulate the game by throwing slap jabs with some one to combinations that are not meant to hit your chin and bring you down, its some kind of a fake aggresive attacks with half way to move backwards. this is why floyd never really had this one punch knock out in the middle of exchanges. he never take chances. he is always ready to move backwards then goes to shoulder roll turtle defense. floyd never really change his style yet he is effective against his previous cherry picked opponents. but looking at his previous fights he was brilliant in his lightweight bouts specially against corrales where he became famous but coming up to welter he never really showed skillful abilities except a round by round technical win. floyd never really uses powerpunches for a knockdown to preserve his strength instead maximizes speed and movements. running backwards is his very essential ability to avoid getting hit. deception is floyds strategy, he'll make you think he is this good and fast and agile. thats why he trash talks alot. but pacquiao carries the keys to his downfall. pacquiao moves in speed and throws punches in weird angles with monstrous stamina always moving forward and creates openings for a KO. he throws power punches all the time seeking to knock you down. with the southpaw stance pacquiao stands as floyd biggest threat.
floyd is a tactician. he loves to calculate and adjust. he measures his opponents abilities and from there change his attitude. this is also why he will never face pacquiao. what you cant manage is your downfall. floyd cant calculate pacquiao's next move. unpredictability is key to floyds loss. pacquiao can make openings, he can fake and change movements from throwing fake left then sends his right hummer punch with a twin left straight. mosley didnt see this one coming. floyd fears this kind of ability. pacquiao's speed and movement is scary dreadful to calculate. this itself shakes floyds confidence. this is why he keeps making demands and excuses, he cant handle southpows with such type of power and speed and abilities like pacquiaos.
We all know floyd cant knock pacquiao out. this means all he'll do is maintain defensive activity which is a good break for pacquiao. remember, floyd dont counter punch like marquez, instead go turtleshield shoulder roll that we expects to fail against pacquiao.
Floyds got good reason to not fight pacquiao who wish his *** inside the ring. lol
In my Charles Barkley voice this article was terrible....First of all how in the F do u figure Mayweather can't hurt Pac?..Marquez did and he's not known for his power...Margacheato did and he not either...so that some straight B.S...why do you keep saying Pac will back him up against the ropes?...have u seen Mayweather fight lately or against southpaws he moving forward most of the time...how in the F can u say your not sure if Mayweather has a chin?...did u see the Corley fight how about the Zab fight maybe you missed the Mosley fight cause he was hit clean by some bombs and didn't go down he came back and dominated those fights.
No he won't, and it won't even be that close. I don't see a competitive fight. Pacquaio loses by 9 rounds to 3 or even by late stoppage. JMM baffled Pacman, Mayweather will do it far worse, gain control early and leave no doubt. Pacman's flurries won't land, he will find himself getting him with jabs and lead right hands and Pacmans alleged speed advantage won't be a factor at all. The bigger, better fighter will fight at his pace, avoid getting hit and almost certainly win by wide, unanimous decision. If anyone thinks Pacman was impressive against Mosley and JMM and that PBF wasn't against Ortiz, you watched different fights to me. I assure you I don't read too much into any one fight (JMM3), I don't have to it's just always been the case that PBF could outbox Pacman, even if Pacman had knocked JMM in one round, he still can't beat PBF and he won't - not in 2012 or back in 2009. It needs to happen for the good of the sport, it'll be a good fight, a big fight, a necessary fight, but it won't be a close fight.
Keep it coming, Mayweather's loyal ___ ___ ____! Listen to your supreme demigod's pied-piper flute. He just keep you muthasuckas running off that cliff with his bullspit playing of that music. PLAY DAT FUNKY MUSIC, dumber [sic] boy -- I mean Money Money.
NEWFLASH to Fam May's fanfaronades, groupie mates and ___ ___ ____, fantasy, reality distortion and make-believe actuality are all you got. Beating Da Manny, Money May will not. He doesn't have an iota of a shot. And he knows it. Outta him Da Manny will beat da holy and unholy snot! Holla!
Some good points but in essence this is a flawed assesment of both fighters current fighting styles. The writer fails to mention the evident signs of Mannys decline in recent fights. Mannys aggresive fighting style much like a young Mike Tysons can only last so long especially in the lower weight classes. I see him pushing his punches more so now than he used to. Manny really peaked as a complete fighter when he fought DeLaHoya and Cotto and in all honestly does not do so well against technically proficient counter punchers. It will be a competitive fight but Mayweather is the all round more skilled fighter. The Mayweather who fights these days is more comfortable staying in center ring and firing off two punch combinations. He is also extremely strong at welterweight especially in clinches and on the inside so manny will not manhandle him. There again mannys game will be to overwhelm mayweather with his punch volume. I can see this working for the first five rounds or so but mayweather has an uncanny ability to blunt the effect of those punches by not taking them flush (except the one Mosley got him with) and we know what happened after that. manny will push Mayweather to the limit but an in shape mayweather will most likely close the show between rounds 7 - 12 not by knockout by by clean, hard counterpunching. I am willing to bet that at some stage Mayweather will start to back Manny up with short sharp combinations with Manny goading him on and trying to retaliate but not hitting much. Am I dreaming or what ?? Come on guys - make the fight !