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    Re: Fast Results From Brisbane: Jeff Horn Upsets Pac-Man in a Shocker

    Quote Originally Posted by Shoulder Roll Defense View Post
    Wow, shut down by the administrator two times in a row so I'm going to be short and sweet this time. Pac showed against Horn that he is past his prime and that it is in his best interest to retire after his rematch. Crawford, Thurman, Spence, and Porter would all do permanent damage to his health. Walk away Pac, walk away.
    Well no **** Pac is near 39 and those guys are young prime top guys.
    What's that have to do with Pac winning that fight and getting robbed? The sport being corrupt, inept and shitt?!
    Can I ask if you are racist? I am honestly asking out of curiosity. If u are That's your perogative but let it be known.

    You are always full of hate and negativity unless it's about your idol Floyd or a black fighter.

    No hate but it is what it is.

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    This verdict was corruption and Pinoy hate at its worst -- worstest [sic]. Hehehe! The Pachaters have no balls and will never admit reality. I'm reminded of Kid Moro beating the hebejeebeez outta "Homicide Hank" Armstrong three times almost a 100 years ago, but the corrupted crooks that be scored a draw three times after initially giving the decisions to Armstrong, but changing them after the rioting fans refused to let the official leave.

    On the above, I will halt. Pinoys are the most robbed pugs in the history of the red district, mafia-run sport. If the WBO was worth one cent, it would ban all three judges for life. And strip the down-under Green Hornet, who now has the audacity to call out Money May.

    Make believe is amazing. I will give no energy to ______ ________ _______. Fake news and fake decision, and all type of fake syet is haunting the integrity of commonsense. U.S. Prez Trump is spot on. "The swamp needs to be drained." Holla!

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    Re: Fast Results From Brisbane: Jeff Horn Upsets Pac-Man in a Shocker

    Queens, queens, queens (and Dan Rafael lovers; gotta love/laugh at that).

    Please . . .

    Pull your knickers up from your ankles.

    Wipe the sand from your quinney.

    A little bit of trouble in paradise and all of a sudden it’s a conspiratorial robbery international.


    Couldn’t be that Pacquaio simply lost, could it?


    There is no robbery.


    If that is incorrect then . . . .

    Please put up the videos of the round(s) that Pacquaio was allegedly robbed in.

    And step us through that round’s robbery with a reliable/believable narrative.

    If Pacquaio really lost then . . . .

    There should be 7 rounds available to you; to show how/where Pacquaio was allegedly robbed.



    Meanwhile, a few facts . . . .

    a) Judges Chris Flores (115-113) Waleksa Roldan (117-111) and Ramon Cerdan (115-113) adjudicated the Horn V Pacquaio fight.

    b) Roldan and Flores hail from the United States, and Cerdan originates from Argentina.

    c) Not sure how that results in a hometown decision.

    d) Based on what we were told here in this forum about MayPac and why there was so much negativity (after Pacquaio lost that fight); Horn V Pacquaio was an exciting fight. Still it seems that when Pacquaio loses - reality is also lost.

    e) What happened to Manny (against Horn) is what usually happens to guys with fundamentally flawed boxing styles (like Pacquaio) as they get older.

    f) Aside from being all over the place and clearly befuddled in the Horn fight; Pacquaio is not a pure boxer/technician with many of the fundamentals in tact like Floyd and/or Rigondeaux. Pac's main attributes have always been aggression, stamina, speed and his lefty style.

    g) As such Pacquaio’s style will not age and/or perform (even when not aged) well without a significant speed/power advantage; whether that advantage be artificial or natural.

    h) Australian customs are some of the toughest in the world; which is bad news for anyone with prolonged PED routines and/or those reliant on transitioning across border controlled areas.

    i) Pacquaio and his style noticeably started came undone against Horn in the early rounds; even though Horn was hugely inexperienced compared to Horn.

    j) Pacquaio couldnt anticipate what was happening and was unable to meaningfully control the fight.

    k) Pacquaio couldn’t stop Horn coming forward and Horn was not intimidated.

    l) Pacquaio missed with an awful lot of punches that usually stop guys advancing.

    m) Pacquaio found it very difficult to deal with Horn’s movement and style.

    n) Pacquaio got bullied.

    o) Also, Pacquaio had no catchweight to rely upon as a fallback plan.

    p) If anything the referee was on Pacquaio’s side.

    q) As, the referee (prematurely in my opinion) advised he was going to stop it (Pac's favour) as soon as it looked like he could do so. And that was practically at the first sight that Horn was in trouble; round 9.

    This was the only time when Pac clearly had Horn in trouble.

    r) It was a championship fight; so what if one guy was a little buzzed as he comes out for the next round; round 10. The referee knew Pacquaio was expected to win. If anything the referee favored Pacquaio.

    s) Pacquaio simply couldnt deal with and/or finish Horn.

    t) Not even after Pacquaio roughed Horn up good/proper in round 9. Pacquaio - no-one else - failed to capitalize on that.

    u) Justin Fortune’s predicton of how Pacquaio would win = grossly wrong.

    v) Freddy Roaches predicton of how Pacquaio would win = grossly wrong; again.

    w) Most USA based commentators predicton of whom would win = wrong.

    x) Horn roughed up Pac and didnt let him fight his fight.

    y) Horn was strong and not weight drained; unlike many opponents related to Pacquaio’s greatest wins.

    z) Pacquaio was a real smart azz all through the lead up to the fight.

    a1) Pacquaio was extremely arrogant and impolite.

    b1) Always late and disrespectful about it.

    c1) Always smirking and snide.

    d1) Somehow though, Pacquaio still managed to make sure everyone knew he was praying for Horn’s safety though.





    Congratulations to Jeff Horn.

    A well deserved win against all odds/experts that was also underpinned by a great fight strategy.



    The judges did a good job.

    Pacquaio lost the fight by himself.

    If not then (Queens) please put up the video of the 7 round(s) that Pacquaio was allegedly robbed in.

    And step us through that round’s robbery with a reliable/believable narrative.



    Pacquaio has had a good run.

    I have enjoyed his performances.

    But his days at the elite level are over.



    Pacquaio underestimated Jeff Horn and lost.

    If it was a robbery then please (Dan Rafael, Teddy Atlas, Queens, anyone) put up the video of the 7 rounds Pacquaio was allegedly robbed in and step us through them with a reliable/believable narrative.



    Horn surprised everyone.

    Me included.





    Cheers,

    Storm.








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    Quote Originally Posted by amayseng View Post
    Well no **** Pac is near 39 and those guys are young prime top guys.
    What's that have to do with Pac winning that fight and getting robbed? The sport being corrupt, inept and shitt?!
    Can I ask if you are racist? I am honestly asking out of curiosity. If u are That's your perogative but let it be known.

    You are always full of hate and negativity unless it's about your idol Floyd or a black fighter.

    No hate but it is what it is.
    Quote Originally Posted by amayseng View Post
    Well no **** Pac is near 39 and those guys are young prime top guys.
    What's that have to do with Pac winning that fight and getting robbed? The sport being corrupt, inept and shitt?!
    Can I ask if you are racist? I am honestly asking out of curiosity. If u are That's your perogative but let it be known.

    You are always full of hate and negativity unless it's about your idol Floyd or a black fighter.

    No hate but it is what it is.
    I am far from racist but have my own opinions like everyone else. I think that you are over analyzing my post and it is you that might have the problem, but I'm not going to judge you. You know nothing about me and I know nothing about you so let's stick to boxing on this site.

    I have yet to watch the fight over again, but the fight was razor close. Horn pushed the tempo and was the aggressor through out the fight. With the exception of the 9th round, Pac was never able to hurt Horn or dissuade him from coming forward. Two or three years ago, Pacquiao would have dominated Horn but his best days are behind him now. His athleticism has deteriorated just enough that he can no longer compensate for his lack of size at welterweight. If he wants to continue his career, I would strongly recommend him dropping down to 140 or 135 if he can cut the weight safely. He was a great fighter and will be a first ballot hall of famer, thus it would be a shame if he stuck around too long and possibly got hurt.

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    Re: Fast Results From Brisbane: Jeff Horn Upsets Pac-Man in a Shocker

    Quote Originally Posted by Shoulder Roll Defense View Post
    I am far from racist but have my own opinions like everyone else. I think that you are over analyzing my post and it is you that might have the problem, but I'm not going to judge you. You know nothing about me and I know nothing about you so let's stick to boxing on this site.

    I have yet to watch the fight over again, but the fight was razor close. Horn pushed the tempo and was the aggressor through out the fight. With the exception of the 9th round, Pac was never able to hurt Horn or dissuade him from coming forward. Two or three years ago, Pacquiao would have dominated Horn but his best days are behind him now. His athleticism has deteriorated just enough that he can no longer compensate for his lack of size at welterweight. If he wants to continue his career, I would strongly recommend him dropping down to 140 or 135 if he can cut the weight safely. He was a great fighter and will be a first ballot hall of famer, thus it would be a shame if he stuck around too long and possibly got hurt.
    No judgement. I asked. No worries.

    It was not razor close, Horn rough housed and missed looping elbows and headlocks and headbutted.

    IN the pros those arent scoring tactics and do not keep a round close as he average 7 landed punches per round.

    Horn landed an average of 7 punches per round.

    perhaps you should adjust your scoring preferences.

    I have seen Floyd get rough housed, bullied and wrestled yet scored clean shots and won handily as the other BS is not scoring. SAME thing here.
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    Re: Fast Results From Brisbane: Jeff Horn Upsets Pac-Man in a Shocker

    Actually, he took a page out of Ward's cookbook. Butts, elbows, over-the-top hanging on, and even added his own, to wit: headlocks that stalled the action at the right time.. If the ref lets you do it, then you do it until he tells you not to do it. It's called roughhousing and/or dirty fighting. It morphs from roughhousing to dirty when the perpetrator gets point deducted.

    That said, I saw the fight for Pac 115-113, using the number of punches landed as key. Horn must have outweighed Pac by 15 pounds and used it to his advantage.

    What shocked me was that Pac did not seem to land a right hook all night long. Had he done so in the ninth, there would not have been a tenth.

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    Actually, he took a page out of Ward's cookbook. Butts, elbows, over-the-top hanging on, and even added his own, to wit: headlocks that stalled the action at the right time.. If the ref lets you do it, then you do it until he tells you not to do it. It's called roughhousing and/or dirty fighting. It morphs from roughhousing to dirty when the perpetrator gets point deducted.

    That said, I saw the fight for Pac 115-113, using the number of punches landed as key. Horn must have outweighed Pac by 15 pounds and used it to his advantage.

    What shocked me was that Pac did not seem to land a right hook all night long. Had he done so in the ninth, there would not have been a tenth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amayseng View Post
    No judgement. I asked. No worries.

    It was not razor close, Horn rough housed and missed looping elbows and headlocks and headbutted.

    IN the pros those arent scoring tactics and do not keep a round close as he average 7 landed punches per round.

    Horn landed an average of 7 punches per round.

    perhaps you should adjust your scoring preferences.

    I have seen Floyd get rough housed, bullied and wrestled yet scored clean shots and won handily as the other BS is not scoring. SAME thing here.



    115-113 either for Pac or Horn can't be considered a robbery. Horn neutralized Pac's usual high punch rate by consistently backing him up and making him fight off of his back foot. Compubox stats aren't the tell all, but the fact that Pacquaio was out punched says volumes to me. When Pacquaio is on his "A" game, he throws approximately 1,000 punches plus over the duration of a 12 round fight. Pacquaio was physically overwhelmed and got mauled and bullied. He did not implement a body attack, which might have very well slowed Horn down and his jab was pedestrian at best. With all that being said, I have no problem with him winning or losing by one or two rounds. However, the 117-111 card rendered by one of the judges was horrible to say the least!

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    Re: Fast Results From Brisbane: Jeff Horn Upsets Pac-Man in a Shocker

    Quote Originally Posted by Shoulder Roll Defense View Post
    115-113 either for Pac or Horn can't be considered a robbery. Horn neutralized Pac's usual high punch rate by consistently backing him up and making him fight off of his back foot. Compubox stats aren't the tell all, but the fact that Pacquaio was out punched says volumes to me. When Pacquaio is on his "A" game, he throws approximately 1,000 punches plus over the duration of a 12 round fight. Pacquaio was physically overwhelmed and got mauled and bullied. He did not implement a body attack, which might have very well slowed Horn down and his jab was pedestrian at best. With all that being said, I have no problem with him winning or losing by one or two rounds. However, the 117-111 card rendered by one of the judges was horrible to say the least!
    Disagree with that big time. Not a single stellar top of the top boksing journalist sided with the down under green hornet winning. Australia is just the leading place where home fighters get wins that they lost. Germany is number two. South Africa is number three. Russia is number four. Puerta Rico is number five.

    Take your kid to those places, and he will get robbed. These crooks even rob the kids of super clear wins.Holla!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoulder Roll Defense View Post
    115-113 either for Pac or Horn can't be considered a robbery. Horn neutralized Pac's usual high punch rate by consistently backing him up and making him fight off of his back foot. Compubox stats aren't the tell all, but the fact that Pacquaio was out punched says volumes to me. When Pacquaio is on his "A" game, he throws approximately 1,000 punches plus over the duration of a 12 round fight. Pacquaio was physically overwhelmed and got mauled and bullied. He did not implement a body attack, which might have very well slowed Horn down and his jab was pedestrian at best. With all that being said, I have no problem with him winning or losing by one or two rounds. However, the 117-111 card rendered by one of the judges was horrible to say the least!
    Disagree with that big time. Not a single stellar top of the top boksing journalist sided with the down under green hornet winning. Australia is just the leading place where home fighters get wins that they lost. Germany is number two. South Africa is number three. Russia is number four. Puerta Rico is number five.

    Take your kid to those places, and he will get robbed. These crooks even rob the kids of super clear wins.Holla!

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