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    Mayweather Can Fight Who He Wants, When He Wants...Period!



    When Muhammad Ali fought Jerry Quarry in his comeback bout in October of 1970, it was a scheduled 15 round bout because Ali, who was exiled from boxing 43 months earlier for refusing Military induction, left as the undisputed heavyweight champion. The fact that Ali hadn't fought once in 43 months didn't prevent him from fighting a top three contender in a scheduled bout for the championship distance at the time even though he wasn’t the champ.
    In April of 1987, former welterweight and junior middleweight champ Sugar Ray Leonard, who never fought one time as a middleweight, challenged undisputed middleweight champion Marvin Hagler for the WBC middleweight title. Leonard had only fought once in five years at that time and hadn't fought in 35 months going into the Hagler bout. Yet he leapfrogged all of the top middleweight contenders in the division who were in-line to challenge Hagler.
    Twenty five years after Ali's return against Quarry, Mike Tyson, who like Ali and Leonard - was the biggest star and draw in professional boxing, made a comeback after being convicted of rape in 1992. After not fighting for 50 months, Tyson fought a stiff named Peter McNeeley, who hadn't defeated one ranked fighter in his career, and who was suddenly the ninth ranked contender by one of the alphabet organizations.
    When stars are involved all the rules go out the window and any fight can be made if the star really wants it. Nothing is off the table. In 1970, Ali needed a big name opponent to stir the pot for his impending first bout with heavyweight champ Joe Frazier, which to this day is still the most anticipated sporting event in history. Therefore Ali didn't have to work his way up through the ranks and was slotted to fight Quarry, who was a top contender. When Leonard came back to fight Hagler, it was the biggest fight in boxing that could be made at the time. Like Frazier-Ali I, Hagler-Leonard was five years in the making when it finally happened. When Tyson made his ring return in 1995, Lennox Lewis was nursing his bruised confidence after getting stopped by Oliver McCall and losing his title. Evander Holyfield, Riddick Bowe and Michael Moorer were passing the title back and forth. The heavyweight division needed Tyson to inject interest into it again, and a year and a half after his return Tyson and Holyfield staged the biggest grossing fight in boxing history at the time.
    The point is, stars and money control sports, especially professional boxing. Nothing ever gets in the way of making money. Today, Floyd Mayweather is the biggest star and draw in combat sports. That's a certified fact. When I read or am told that Mayweather-Golovkin can't happen because Floyd fights for Showtime and Golovkin fights for HBO, I think it's hysterical. If memory serves me correctly, Bernard Hopkins was a Showtime fighter and Sergey Kovalev is an HBO fighter, yet they're scheduled to fight this coming November. Who'd a thunk it?
    Fighters have crossed networks to fight in the past when the money and demand for the fight was off the chart - I submit Lennox Lewis vs. Mike Tyson. And don't say, "Well, it was because of that and so and so did this and someone else compromised on that.” It doesn't matter, the fight was made. Bob Arum and Don King have co-promoted many big fights and cards in the past when the money at stake was in their best interest. Right now Floyd Mayweather is the main man in boxing. He can fight whomever he wants to fight. It doesn't matter what network the other guy fights on or who he is managed and promoted by. If Floyd wants the fight and the public is willing to buy it in record numbers, like a fight with Golovkin or Pacquiao would represent, you better believe it could be made.
    Can anyone imagine Mayweather holding a press conference and stating that he wants to derail the Golovkin hype and the fight not happening? Does anyone living in the real world actually think to themselves, no, that can't happen because Mayweather fights for Showtime and Golovkin fights for HBO? What a joke it would be to believe something like that would hold up the fight. Something that could be worked out in a day and it would prevent the fight from happening if that's what Floyd wanted? Yeah right.
    I find it confounding that some fans and media don't grasp the concept that Floyd Mayweather can fight anyone he wants, on any channel he wants. I keep hearing, "Well, he's a Showtime fighter, and the other guy is with HBO," or "Promoter A won't work with Promoter B," etc. If Floyd Mayweather wanted to fight Sugar Ray Robinson for the welterweight title tomorrow, somebody would dig Ray up, and one of the sanctioning bodies would give the winner a belt.
    There's nothing keeping Mayweather from challenging Golovkin other than himself. Yes, Golovkin is the bigger fighter, but that's the whole intrigue of the fight. Can Mayweather beat a surging monster slightly bigger than him at a time when the monster looks unstoppable? No, I don't believe the fight will happen because Mayweather a) doesn't feel he can beat Golovkin without a gimmick and b) the public won't demand it because they wrongly buy the platitudes that Floyd spouts.
    If Mayweather wanted to really step out of the box, he'd challenge Golovkin like Duran challenged Hagler, or Sugar Ray Robinson challenged Joey Maxim or Billy Conn who spotted Joe Louis 30 pounds and challenged him. Then again Floyd has ducked and dodged fighting a guy who actually was the lineal flyweight champion at one time. There's no way in the world he’ll step out of his comfort zone.
    Again, I don't believe Mayweather will ever fight Golovkin because he doesn't think he can win nor does he think he has anything to prove. However, some fans do believe he hasn't proven himself to be an all-time great. A great fighter, absolutely, but not one of the greatest of the greats or the "TBE." Challenging and beating a beast like Golovkin would quiet his many critics. In fact challenging and competing with him would go a long way, it's not like he'd even have to win because everyone understands that like Ray Leonard was against Hagler, Floyd would be an underdog.
    The point is, Floyd Mayweather can fight anyone he wants to. Nothing could derail that as long as he's the driving force behind it, certainly not a promoter or television network. Mayweather is as he says, "the Money" that drives the sport and nothing gets in the way of that when the chairman of the board wants something. Mayweather represents the biggest payday for anybody he fights, and all involved in the combat and business side of boxing would capitulate to him.
    If Floyd wants to fight Manny Pacquiao or Gennady Golovkin, nothing could prevent it from happening aside from his own reluctance. If he truly wanted to shut everyone up, he'd be looking to fight Golovkin, who enters the ring weighing less than recent Mayweather opponent Canelo Alvarez does when he fights. And if he did and lost to Golovkin, he wouldn't get killed for losing. But if he won, what a case he'd have for putting on a hat after the fight that had "OOTBE" (One Of The Best Ever) scripted across the front of it.
    Floyd Mayweather can make a fight with anybody he wants to. All he has to do is want to.
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    Great article, I hope all Mayweather fans read it !

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    This article is spot on. Mayweather can fight who he wants to, not who the fans want him to. Fighting MP or GGG is a health risk. Lil Floyd will already be in the HOF so why should he risk his health? He already wears the TBE hat so it is what it is.


    Health is more important than anything," Mayweather said. "Because guess what? When my career is over, if I'm hurt because of something that has happened in a fight, I can't come to you and say, 'I need (money).' "

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    Quote Originally Posted by deepwater2 View Post
    This article is spot on. Mayweather can fight who he wants to, not who the fans want him to. Fighting MP or GGG is a health risk. Lil Floyd will already be in the HOF so why should he risk his health? He already wears the TBE hat so it is what it is.


    Health is more important than anything," Mayweather said. "Because guess what? When my career is over, if I'm hurt because of something that has happened in a fight, I can't come to you and say, 'I need (money).' "
    Deep, good point. But the reason he said health is because he was making the implication that his foe was juiced up. He just can't outright say it because that leads to litigation.

    As for Frank, we need to stop discussing this Golovkin fantasy. He's two weight classes above and fighting in a different league (HBO). They both have long-term deals. There is NO way to get around that, feasibly. In theory yes but in reality no.

    Tyson-Lewis was a one-off thing, in part because Showtime had advanced Tyson soooooo many millions that they needed to recoup so they said "to hell with it."

    Mayweather-Golovkin doesn't do more than 1.2 million buys. The networks won't even consider it with Pacquiao (well, HBO might since they'd get cut in on a deal where there's no need for them), which could do up to 2 million buys or maybe more.

    And lastly, Floyd doesn't fight who he wants. Showtime has right of refusal. He can't just rematch Augustus. Or dig up Sharmba Mitchell.

    It has to be a viable name with some sort of built-in or built fanbase coming off a good performance.

    The list is pretty short:

    Cotto
    Canelo
    Danny Garcia

    But he only needs two or three more.
    Last edited by The Shadow; 08-20-2014 at 01:13 PM.

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    The article is spot on. Floyd gets what he wants when he wants it.

    He does not want to step up and take the challenge .

    Why would he when idiots continue to pay him 30 mill plus for a fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amayseng View Post
    The article is spot on. Floyd gets what he wants when he wants it.

    He does not want to step up and take the challenge .

    Why would he when idiots continue to pay him 30 mill plus for a fight.
    Right on Amayseng ! Why would Showtime deny him a fight with Golovkin or Pacquaio ? Would they lose money giving boxing fans what they want for a change ? Me thinks not !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Froggy View Post
    Right on Amayseng ! Why would Showtime deny him a fight with Golovkin or Pacquaio ? Would they lose money giving boxing fans what they want for a change ? Me thinks not !
    You're right, my Froggy friend. Showtime would love it.

    But you're forgetting HBO who has paper on those two guys: HBO! They don't give a flying **** what you and I want, think or desire about those two match-ups.

    You think those guys are just going to let them fight elsewhere after signing them up?

    Keep in mind that HBO is the same entity that didn't want to show his February fight, yet denied other broadcasters to show it, too!

    These are the same guys who really created the divide in the boxing world by boycotting the largest roster of fighters in boxing by far.

    And keep in mind, those two guys all signed with HBO after Floyd signed his deal.

    And "giving boxing fans what they want for a change?" If it wasn't for Showtime, we wouldn't see Mayweather as active as he's been in about a decade. We'd still see the same once-ever-18 months crap he'd been doing.

    Before people started bitching about SHO like Judith Harper bitching about Alan, people need to forget that Showtime, prior to Stephen Espinoza taking the helm, was a second-tier network that only showed reject fights HBO didn't want.

    I'm just waiting for people to come out and sue Mayweather and/or Espinoza for the birth of the ebola virus.

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    Mayweather fans should read this? Mayweather fans know this!!!

    We also know the reason why the Mayweather / Pacman fight has not happened is because of .....

    WAIT FOR IT....

    B O B A R U M!!!

    Roach has said it!!! Ariza has said it!!! His actions have proved it!!!

    When Mayweather was being sentenced and he had no idea how long he would be sent away HE went to the judge and begged them to give him extension to make that fight.

    Bob Arum came up with every excuse in the book why the fight couldn't happen.

    Look at today....MANNY PACQUAIO has been KNOCKED OUT. His PPV #'s have reflected a decline. And right after Pacman beat Bradley he says tell MAYWEATHER to call us.

    The PPV King has to call you? Really? If Bob wanted this fight he would be working day and night to make it happen. He is milking Pacman for all he is worth.

    OH and believe me I am not letting PACMAN off the hook.

    He just RE UPPED with TOP RANK knowing MAYWEATHER will not fight TOP RANK fighters. Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Shadow View Post
    You're right, my Froggy friend. Showtime would love it.

    But you're forgetting HBO who has paper on those two guys: HBO! They don't give a flying **** what you and I want, think or desire about those two match-ups.

    You think those guys are just going to let them fight elsewhere after signing them up?

    Keep in mind that HBO is the same entity that didn't want to show his February fight, yet denied other broadcasters to show it, too!

    These are the same guys who really created the divide in the boxing world by boycotting the largest roster of fighters in boxing by far.

    And keep in mind, those two guys all signed with HBO after Floyd signed his deal.

    And "giving boxing fans what they want for a change?" If it wasn't for Showtime, we wouldn't see Mayweather as active as he's been in about a decade. We'd still see the same once-ever-18 months crap he'd been doing.

    Before people started bitching about SHO like Judith Harper bitching about Alan, people need to forget that Showtime, prior to Stephen Espinoza taking the helm, was a second-tier network that only showed reject fights HBO didn't want.

    I'm just waiting for people to come out and sue Mayweather and/or Espinoza for the birth of the ebola virus.
    I am very happy to find out I am your friend, Shadow, back at ya ! but I still agree with the article, nobody can stop Mayweather from fighting anybody who will make people money ! Just my humble opinion of course !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Froggy View Post
    I am very happy to find out I am your friend, Shadow, back at ya ! but I still agree with the article, nobody can stop Mayweather from fighting anybody who will make people money ! Just my humble opinion of course !
    Of course. I love your posts and wish you would post more!

    Yes, that premise is by and large correct. While Showtime does have some right of refusal, it's not like he can just go fight Selcuk Aydin -- not if he wants those purses, anyway.

    (There's a large misconception about these purses. Showtime's function in the contract is ADVANCING the fight night purse. They then recoup the principal through PPV -- hence the "revenue sharing" agreement they vaguely reported. Which is practically what HBO did. But they just committed to doing it for six fights. SHO doesn't pay for the undercard or anything like that. If you want to look at it another way, it's actually a similar deal framework to what Mayweather offered Pacquiao in early 2012.)

    At this stage of his career, his chief objective is to maximize revenues. Whoever's available, able and willing that they feel can garner the most buys is the one they will go with.

    Golovkin is a darling among hardcores but until he at least has a fight at 154, there is no point in even discussing it from a sporting standpoint.

    Bernard Hopkins insists he can make 160 and has publicly challenged Golovkin for a while now, over a year. Why aren't the writers pushing that?

    From a business standpoint, Golovkin's team is simply using the oldest trick in the book: tie your name to the top guy and have the fans run with it.

    They know as well as anyone that contracts make it a non-starter. If they didn't they wouldn't have resigned without even fielding offers from Showtime.

    FWIW, this is one of the same reasons Mayweather gets furious with other promoters that hatch themselves onto his name knowing damn well that a fight can't be made.

    One such example was Lou DiBella -- shortly after the whole 50/50 nonsense with Mayweather and Pacquiao -- completely trolled the media by stating he would give Mayweather 80% of the pot.

    I know my fellow Crimson is no fool so I can only assume he thinks the public is. Not even Cotto got 20%.

    DiBella knows for a fact that this deal wouldn't even be considered. But he also knows the public will run with any slightest indication of Mayweather ducking so he just reaped the benefits of the publicity it gave him, DBE and Martinez.

    And you also saw what happened when Andre Ward called K2's "anyone up to 175" bluff. Only then did they clarify their position and admitted that Golovkin, after all, too is a prizefighter.

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