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    Quote Originally Posted by brownsugar View Post
    I distinctly remember Sugar Ray Leonard discussing the topic when he was asked about why he seemed resistant to cuts
    He said that soaking in salt water toughened the skin during an interview to publicize the Benitez fight.
    Ray also said he soaked his hands in water containing slices of oranges as a remedy for swollen knuckles.
    I had a mental image of him using an old oak barrel the way he described it.

    At the time of the discussion Leonard was driving his hand into a bucket of sand to harden his knuckles.

    Of course we could only watch in awe while we pondered privately where we could conveniently find a bucket of sand.

    Leonard was full of tips for aspiring boxers which served to elevated his mystique to mythic proportions.

    Duran also mentioned the brine treatment.
    But didn't say if he used the time honored technique or not.

    Personally I've spent a lot of time swimming in saltwater but don't recall having enhanced cut resistant skin.

    You don't hear discussions about the subject too much these days... anymore than you hear about boxers pounding slabs of beef ribs in a walk in freezer like Joe Frazier did.
    It seems that many of the antiquated ways of boxing have been discarded in favor of more scientific methods.
    Sorry, B-Sug! But SRL and Duran were doing sideshow phony jive for getting-those-butts-in-the-seats promotions. Nowadays the U.S. Gov federal communication overseers don't allow that type of jive on public or cable TV without disclaimers.

    Ray got medical shots for his swollen knuckles. Read his autobiography. And look at old footages and interviews. He has long forgotten his active boxing years of telling white lies and bulljiving for promotion and convenience.

    Go shake a top P4P boxer's hand. It will be softer than a new-born-baby's arse.

    Saltwater dries up your skin. Dried-up skin cuts wide da double fudge open. Saltwater for hardening or toughening live-human skin is a darn L-I-E. That salt water -- actually salt mixed in water -- is boxing tales borrowed and exaggerated from ancient Egypt legends and myths and funeral parlors of using salt water to toughen and/or harden the skin of mummies/corpses/cadavers. (OMFG! The first proof of pugilism is 3000 B.C. in Ancient Egypt where they made the pugs fight naked, according to the AIBA.)

    No boxer has been that naive or pure stupid to use or believe salt water myths. The old timers gave dried-skinned pugs cocoa butter to soften up their "alligator skin" and told their arses to drink some water.

    When it is said that you have to have tough skin and/or you can't have thin skin in boxing, it is referring to your psyche for mental and psychological toughness, not skin or even bones.

    FYI, a lot of boxers get prescriptions of lotion to soften dried skin on their paws. The ability to keep your skin moisturized is what keep it from busting and tearing open.

    C'mon, Commish! WHADDUP! You have the hook ups, look ups and book ups with the skin doctors. And the brain doctors. So you know what time it is: Reality and actuality, not fantasy. Holla!
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    I hollered at Tio Mamoy and a couple of old late-80-$omething-year-old retired American boxers residing here in the P-Islands. They gave me the name of the material that I was trying to think of to describe how boxers want their skin to be like to prevent cutting, bruising and busting open.

    You want your skin so full of collagen that when a punch strikes it, it will be like "the punch hitting a sponge." And the punch bounces off never "splitting your skin open." Holla!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radam G View Post
    Sorry, B-Sug! But SRL and Duran were doing sideshow phony jive for getting-those-butts-in-the-seats promotions. Nowadays the U.S. Gov federal communication overseers don't allow that type of jive on public or cable TV without disclaimers.

    Ray got medical shots for his swollen knuckles. Read his autobiography. And look at old footages and interviews. He has long forgotten his active boxing years of telling white lies and bulljiving for promotion and convenience.

    Go shake a top P4P boxer's hand. It will be softer than a new-born-baby's arse.

    Saltwater dries up your skin. Dried-up skin cuts wide da double fudge open. Saltwater for hardening or toughening live-human skin is a darn L-I-E. That salt water -- actually salt mixed in water -- is boxing tales borrowed and exaggerated from ancient Egypt legends and myths and funeral parlors of using salt water to toughen and/or harden the skin of mummies/corpses/cadavers. (OMFG! The first proof of pugilism is 3000 B.C. in Ancient Egypt where they made the pugs fight naked, according to the AIBA.)

    No boxer has been that naive or pure stupid to use or believe salt water myths. The old timers gave dried-skinned pugs cocoa butter to soften up their "alligator skin" and told their arses to drink some water.

    When it is said that you have to have tough skin and/or you can't have thin skin in boxing, it is referring to your psyche for mental and psychological toughness, not skin or even bones.

    FYI, a lot of boxers get prescriptions of lotion to soften dried skin on their paws. The ability to keep your skin moisturized is what keep it from busting and tearing open.

    C'mon, Commish! WHADDUP! You have the hook ups, look ups and book ups with the skin doctors. And the brain doctors. So you know what time it is: Reality and actuality, not fantasy. Holla!
    I cannot argue the efficacy of brine as a method for toughening skin RG.
    Just stating what I've heard.

    After a search on Google there are many references regarding Jack Dempsey using beef brine for toughening skin and horse urine to toughen his fists. There are also references pertaining to bare knucklers using the treatment during John L's time.

    For the record a lotion popular for treating rough hands and targeting it's customers in the large pool of manual laborers at the time called "Corn Huskers" didn't have a drop of salt in it.

    In fact I haven't seen any commercial lotions that contain salt or many that contain vitamin C.
    But you can find all manner of ingredients in household shampoo.

    It would be interesting to discover the origin of its use... and whether it actually had medicinal properties or if it was just a placebo provided by trainers to make their fighter feel like they had an edge.

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    Wow. I never thought this question would get much of a response. Very informative.

    When brownsugar mentioned Joe Frazier pounding a slab of beef in a slaughterhouse ( it inspired an iconic scene "Rocky"), I was reminded of another training routine that has fallen by the wayside and may have been nothing more than a publicity gimmick in the first place.

    Browsing through old newspapers you will find pictures of boxers of wielding an axe on a tree. The implication was that woodchopping was part of the daily training regimen when the boxer was sequestered at his training camp.

    In preparing for a fight, would there be any value in going into the woods and felling trees like a lumberjack? The old-time fighters did it, or so newspaper readers were led to believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArneK. View Post
    Wow. I never thought this question would get much of a response. Very informative.

    When brownsugar mentioned Joe Frazier pounding a slab of beef in a slaughterhouse ( it inspired an iconic scene "Rocky"), I was reminded of another training routine that has fallen by the wayside and may have been nothing more than a publicity gimmick in the first place.

    Browsing through old newspapers you will find pictures of boxers of wielding an axe on a tree. The implication was that woodchopping was part of the daily training regimen when the boxer was sequestered at his training camp.

    In preparing for a fight, would there be any value in going into the woods and felling trees like a lumberjack? The old-time fighters did it, or so newspaper readers were led to believe.
    I vaguely remember seeing a YouTube video, maybe a clip from an HBO 24/7 episode, showing Margarito at the beach playing lumberjack, chopping into a log. Does anyone else remember seeing this?

    I'll try to find the vid & post the link if I find it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamuraiSam View Post
    I vaguely remember seeing a YouTube video, maybe a clip from an HBO 24/7 episode, showing Margarito at the beach playing lumberjack, chopping into a log. Does anyone else remember seeing this?

    I'll try to find the vid & post the link if I find it.
    Of course! He went back to old skool training with Trainer "Grandpa" Robert Garcia.

    As a toddler, I was at GOAT Ali training camp in the hills of Pennsylvania and he and all the pugs there chopped wood. Wood chopping faded out of boxing camps in the mid-to-late 1980$.

    New Jack jive has pimp rode up in da game. And pimp slapped many of the old skool ways outta da game.

    I still chop wood, swim in lakes, do water workouts and climb up (coconut) trees. Holla!

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    Quote Originally Posted by brownsugar View Post
    I cannot argue the efficacy of brine as a method for toughening skin RG.
    Just stating what I've heard.

    After a search on Google there are many references regarding Jack Dempsey using beef brine for toughening skin and horse urine to toughen his fists. There are also references pertaining to bare knucklers using the treatment during John L's time.

    For the record a lotion popular for treating rough hands and targeting it's customers in the large pool of manual laborers at the time called "Corn Huskers" didn't have a drop of salt in it.

    In fact I haven't seen any commercial lotions that contain salt or many that contain vitamin C.
    But you can find all manner of ingredients in household shampoo.

    It would be interesting to discover the origin of its use... and whether it actually had medicinal properties or if it was just a placebo provided by trainers to make their fighter feel like they had an edge.
    Myths also claimed that William Harrison (Jack) Dempsey used horse shoes in his gloves. Hehehe! The heck with the horsey's p¡$$, Ol' Jack wanted the lucky horse shoes. He beat @$$£$ with those bad boys. Holla!

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    Re: Do Boxers Still Soak Their Skin in Brine ?

    Quote Originally Posted by SamuraiSam View Post
    I vaguely remember seeing a YouTube video, maybe a clip from an HBO 24/7 episode, showing Margarito at the beach playing lumberjack, chopping into a log. Does anyone else remember seeing this?

    I'll try to find the vid & post the link if I find it.
    Yep Ali can been seen chopping wood in several videos...including his biographical DVD's.
    Good for developing torque when turning you upper body into a punch.

    I don't know if Kelly Pavlik invented it... But he ushered in the sledge-hammer monster tire work out. It became sort of a fad for a while. Berto, and Paul Williams were just a few of the early adopters.
    Any number of rising contenders could be seen flipping, hammering, and rolling those humongous tires up stairwells.
    Didn't help Paul W. against S. Martinez... but he did look formidable in training camp.

    I'm almost disappointed the monster tire-workout DVD didn't get released.

    Now they've adopted shaking those thick ropes used to tie Freightliner's to the pier.(mooring lines)
    And have resorted to pushing pickup trucks over rough terrain. ( that's actually a work out l used when I first tried my hand at boxing, ...made me feel like a juggernaut )

    And who can forget Hagler holding hand weights and shadowboxing chin deep in a swimming pool?

    The things fighters do to be the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brownsugar View Post
    Yep Ali can been seen chopping wood in several videos...including his biographical DVD's.
    Good for developing torque when turning you upper body into a punch.

    I don't know if Kelly Pavlik invented it... But he ushered in the sledge-hammer monster tire work out. It became sort of a fad for a while. Berto, and Paul Williams were just a few of the early adopters.
    Any number of rising contenders could be seen flipping, hammering, and rolling those humongous tires up stairwells.
    Didn't help Paul W. against S. Martinez... but he did look formidable in training camp.

    I'm almost disappointed the monster tire-workout DVD didn't get released.

    Now they've adopted shaking those thick ropes used to tie Freightliner's to the pier.(mooring lines)
    And have resorted to pushing pickup trucks over rough terrain. ( that's actually a work out l used when I first tried my hand at boxing, ...made me feel like a juggernaut )

    And who can forget Hagler holding hand weights and shadowboxing chin deep in a swimming pool?

    The things fighters do to be the best.
    I give up trying to find the original footage of Margarito lumberjacking at the beach. Instead, the following vid, which more readily showed up with the keywords "Margarito 24/7" in the YouTube search, has the relevant scene although it's only briefly used, and in a more amusing context than seen in the original 24/7. I thought it was a well made, funny parody. So, just for sh1ts & giggles, you can see woodchopper Margarito at the 01:56 mark of the following vid:
    Pacquiao vs Margarito Before & After The Fight 24-7 Style
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hncqSUMZWFg

    Regarding the bold part of your comment, that makes a lot of sense for the development of upper body torque if the woodchopper was swinging the axe laterally like he is felling a vertically standing tree. So, is Margarito wasting time swinging overhead & downward at a horizontal log? Or maybe he was training to rain down overhand punches onto the "midget" (as Floyd calls him) Pacman? LOL

    Does anyone have any theories on whether old school, improvised training methods build a fighter differently/better from one trained with new age, high-tech equipment & methodology, akin to Rocky's improvised training in the Siberian wilderness versus Ivan Drago's laboratory controlled training?

    Brother Radam, I bet you have interesting stories how your old school ways have bested some new age Dragos in the game. How would you explain it?

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    There's a new piece of equipment that works the same muscle groups without the risk of decapitating a stablemate. I'll try to get a photo.

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