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    It's for real, Pacquiao-Algieri set for November 22nd

    ESPN and Bleacher Report just confirmed that the scholarly pugilist from Long Island NY will be dancing with the Da Manny in Macau!

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    Re: It's for real, Pacquiao-Algieri set for November 22nd

    Quote Originally Posted by Carmine Cas View Post
    ESPN and Bleacher Report just confirmed that the scholarly pugilist from Long Island NY will be dancing with the Da Manny in Macau!
    Nice alliterations, CC!

    Algieri can fight. Don't sleep.

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    Re: It's for real, Pacquiao-Algieri set for November 22nd

    Asked IT to find the most three used words regarding this fight on social media. Results are as follows; Lol, why, low.

    Lol means laugh out loud and I'm not surprised. Why? Well I'm left scratching my head too. And Low.. Well it certainly seems like an all time low for TR having to force a fight between one of the greatest of all time and a complete nobody on the scene who doesn't make an attractive fight.

    What's the catch in this one?

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    Re: It's for real, Pacquiao-Algieri set for November 22nd

    This is going to be a tough sell on PPV, that's for sure. I saw one industry analyst, Chris Mannix, state that the over/under on PPV buys should be 300,000 on twitter last night. Fan reaction on twitter was not great with a lot saying that with four potential PPV's in the fall at the moment that this would be the one they skip. So I would take the under on the 300,000.

    The ironic thing is that even with a low buy rate that Top Rank will still make good money holding the event in Macua. I don't think they are too concerned with the general public reaction to this fight.

    For me personally, I will buy the fight. Would I have liked to have seen someone else in the ring with Pac? Yes, but most of those options are aligned with Al Haymon and just not realistic right now. Algieiri has had quite a rise this year. I gave him a very little shot against Provodnikov and he surprised me with how well he fought overall. So I am willing to go with this fight and see how it plays out.

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    Re: It's for real, Pacquiao-Algieri set for November 22nd

    Quote Originally Posted by oubobcat View Post
    This is going to be a tough sell on PPV, that's for sure. I saw one industry analyst, Chris Mannix, state that the over/under on PPV buys should be 300,000 on twitter last night. Fan reaction on twitter was not great with a lot saying that with four potential PPV's in the fall at the moment that this would be the one they skip. So I would take the under on the 300,000.

    The ironic thing is that even with a low buy rate that Top Rank will still make good money holding the event in Macua. I don't think they are too concerned with the general public reaction to this fight.

    For me personally, I will buy the fight. Would I have liked to have seen someone else in the ring with Pac? Yes, but most of those options are aligned with Al Haymon and just not realistic right now. Algieiri has had quite a rise this year. I gave him a very little shot against Provodnikov and he surprised me with how well he fought overall. So I am willing to go with this fight and see how it plays out.
    Nice take, Cat. One comment though: he's not an analyst, he's a reporter. A fine one but "just" a reporter. He does have good sources, though, so he could be on point but take anything they say numbers-wise with a grain of salt.

    That said, Bob could not care any less about North American PPV buys. In this equation, the buys are what they call "found money" in the business world.

    Here's why Arum chose Algieri:

    - US PPV is unimportant; they have 2-3 huge revenue streams to cover that so they can experiment with US PPV while relying less on it (it's usually 80% of he pot. In this case it is not). Should they break 500,000, they can analyze where those buys came from and how the public responded to Algieri. It's market research, which is always a business investment/expenditure (kinda like the May 3 card was).

    - He comes cheap (and he's white). It is utterly unimportant who Pacquiao faces. As long as they have Zou Shiming on, there will be interest. And considering the options, what better than a white guy, a symbol of capitalist USA? Certainly creates a better storyline than Provodnikov, the neighbor born in the Soviet Union.

    - Upside. Arum finds Algieri INCREDIBLY marketable. With this deal, Arum automatically becomes Algieri's co-promoter for the next three fights. He can see how well the general public responds to him.

    Arum believes he can make him a star and make a nice profit for his next three fights. I believe he can too. This is a shrewd, shrewd business move. Just the way Bob likes it.

    One thing I admire about Arum is his ability to never really "lose." For all his mischievous, manipulative ways, he has this Midas touch where you can never count him out.

    Even if he puts himself in a position where he's going head-to-head and he appears to be on the losing end, he will simply withdraw in favor of an opportunity where he again will be in the driver's seat.

    He's done it over and over and over. That's some G s***.
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    Re: It's for real, Pacquiao-Algieri set for November 22nd

    Is a white guy a symbol of Capitalism these days? I have to look that one up.

    One thing is for sure, these two boxers are gentleman and the press conferences will be very respectful.

    Arum is a step ahead of all other promoters by establishing Top Rank in the Asian market. His business associate and casino kingpin, Sheldon Adelson is there also.

    Instead of being marketed as The capitalistic white guy, Chris A will be compared to Gentleman Jim Corbett who knocked out John L Sullivan with his scientific boxing method.

    Chris A and Corbett have similar backgrounds. Corbett only had 21 fights. Corbett went to Catholic School as did Chris. Both boxers happen to be highly educated men. Corbett pursued acting as Chris is starting. Both men make heavy use of the jab and footwork.

    When the Commish ( and a few others Mortcola) first picked Chris A I thought they might be drinking. It turned out I should have been drinking whatever they were. Chris A has a chance in this fight. No one thought Corbett could beat John L and look what happened.

    Bob Fitzsimmons knocked out Corbett later on and Corbett led a gentleman's life after that. Will PAC finish off Chris A with a solar plexus punch? I think so but this will be a good fight for as long as it lasts.

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    Re: It's for real, Pacquiao-Algieri set for November 22nd

    Quote Originally Posted by deepwater2 View Post
    Is a white guy a symbol of Capitalism these days? I have to look that one up.

    One thing is for sure, these two boxers are gentleman and the press conferences will be very respectful.

    Arum is a step ahead of all other promoters by establishing Top Rank in the Asian market. His business associate and casino kingpin, Sheldon Adelson is there also.

    Instead of being marketed as The capitalistic white guy, Chris A will be compared to Gentleman Jim Corbett who knocked out John L Sullivan with his scientific boxing method.

    Chris A and Corbett have similar backgrounds. Corbett only had 21 fights. Corbett went to Catholic School as did Chris. Both boxers happen to be highly educated men. Corbett pursued acting as Chris is starting. Both men make heavy use of the jab and footwork.

    When the Commish ( and a few others Mortcola) first picked Chris A I thought they might be drinking. It turned out I should have been drinking whatever they were. Chris A has a chance in this fight. No one thought Corbett could beat John L and look what happened.

    Bob Fitzsimmons knocked out Corbett later on and Corbett led a gentleman's life after that. Will PAC finish off Chris A with a solar plexus punch? I think so but this will be a good fight for as long as it lasts.
    Cue Radam telling you how great Da Manny is and how he will KO da C-Al with ease even though Pac hasn't KOed anyone for years...

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    Re: It's for real, Pacquiao-Algieri set for November 22nd

    I don't agree with everything that's been written on this thread, but the level of discourse is at a very high plane.

    The Shadow is absolutely correct: For Arum, it's never been about making the best matches; it's about making the matches with the best storylines.

    I wouldn't be shocked if Chris Algieri loses every minute of every round, but if there's an escalator clause in his contract, I suspect he will emerge a very rich man. And if by chance he's very competitive, he and Arum are in line for some big moolah down the road.

    Oubobcat references boxing writer Chris Mannix who makes the over/under 300,000 PPV buys. Oubobcat leans to the "under." As for myself, I love the "over."

    Algieri is from Huntington, Long Island. The last big-name fighter from that town was the most popular fighter of my generation.

    Shucks, Jerry Cooney sold out Madison Square Garden for his bout with Larry Holmes and drew a paid crowd of 52,974 to the Meadowlands -- and this was for closed-circuit viewing.

    Yes, I know there were other things going on at those venues that night. MSG had a flimsy 4-fight live card topped by a 10-round bout between up-and-comers. The Meadowlands had a full card of harness racing. But it was the Cooney-Holmes off in Las Vegas that moved the turnstiles. In fact, most of the regulars boycotted the Meadowlands on this occasion, turned off by jacked-up admission prices and the certainty that the place would be overcrowded.

    Algieri certainly doesn't have anywhere near the upside (popularity-wise) of Cooney, but yes he's very marketable, as Deepwater2 notes, and Arum is very slick when it comes to ratcheting up the intrigue. He's got me hooked already. I plan to buy the fight.

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    Re: It's for real, Pacquiao-Algieri set for November 22nd

    Quote Originally Posted by ArneK. View Post
    I don't agree with everything that's been written on this thread, but the level of discourse is at a very high plane.

    The Shadow is absolutely correct: For Arum, it's never been about making the best matches; it's about making the matches with the best storylines.

    I wouldn't be shocked if Chris Algieri loses every minute of every round, but if there's an escalator clause in his contract, I suspect he will emerge a very rich man. And if by chance he's very competitive, he and Arum are in line for some big moolah down the road.

    Oubobcat references boxing writer Chris Mannix who makes the over/under 300,000 PPV buys. Oubobcat leans to the "under." As for myself, I love the "over."

    Algieri is from Huntington, Long Island. The last big-name fighter from that town was the most popular fighter of my generation.

    Shucks, Jerry Cooney sold out Madison Square Garden for his bout with Larry Holmes and drew a paid crowd of 52,974 to the Meadowlands -- and this was for closed-circuit viewing.

    Yes, I know there were other things going on at those venues that night. MSG had a flimsy 4-fight live card topped by a 10-round bout between up-and-comers. The Meadowlands had a full card of harness racing. But it was the Cooney-Holmes off in Las Vegas that moved the turnstiles. In fact, most of the regulars boycotted the Meadowlands on this occasion, turned off by jacked-up admission prices and the certainty that the place would be overcrowded.

    Algieri certainly doesn't have anywhere near the upside (popularity-wise) of Cooney, but yes he's very marketable, as Deepwater2 notes, and Arum is very slick when it comes to ratcheting up the intrigue. He's got me hooked already. I plan to buy the fight.
    The main reason why I side with under 300,000 PPV buys is the sheer volume of boxing PPV's that will be on the calendar between September and December.

    In the first half of this year, we saw a high number of PPV fights for this sport. We also saw the vast majority of these PPV's come in well below expectations. The reason in my opinion was that fans decided to be more picky and choosy about what they purchased. If there were say two big PPV fights the first half of the year, then they probably would have done favorable numbers. But there were a lot more than that and fans decided we are not going to purchase all of them and only a selective amount. This "spreading" of PPV dollars caused for the numbers for the PPV fights to be much lower than anticipated.

    For example, someone might have said "I really like the Cotto-Martinez fight and always buy Mayweather." But though I want to watch Pacquiao-Bradley, I have to save somewhere because I just can't justify spending so much money on boxing PPV's. This happened and fans picked a fight or two they liked and skipped buying the others.

    Now, look at the schedule in the fall/winter. We have Mayweather-Maidana for September. We have Pacquiao-Algieiri for November. Arum has stated he wants Cotto back on PPV in December and is trying to work out a deal for Tim Bradley right now to face him. Canelo may have another PPV fight this year and you can rest assured it will be with a fighter with an aggressive fan friendly style. And there is still the possibility that something like Froch-Chavez happens as well.

    Once again, fans are going to be selective. I would venture to guess if fans toss out one fight right away, it will be Pacuiao-Algieiri. And I also don't see the casual boxing fan/casual sports fan having much interest either. That is why I am thinking that we are going under 300,000 buys for this fight.

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    Re: It's for real, Pacquiao-Algieri set for November 22nd

    Quote Originally Posted by the Roast View Post
    Cue Radam telling you how great Da Manny is and how he will KO da C-Al with ease even though Pac hasn't KOed anyone for years...
    Yes! And how many welterweights did Da Manny kayo EVER? That is what I thought -- ONE! Big Money O took the advice of trainer Nacho and QUIT in the corner. So the only welterweight that Da Manny ever got outta there with his punching power was starved-down Miguel Cotto. Ricky Hatton and Da Manny fought at light welterweight.

    Da Manny having all this mysterious knockout POWER that he has suddenly lost -- like Little Bo Peep lost her sheep -- is a double d@mn lie of the Mayweather Family to rationalize the triple trifling lie of Da Manny being on roids and "Filipino A-side Meth."

    If you think slow, you will never know. And if you believe the hype, you will always look for a GOTCHA fight! Da Manny hasn't fought -- except for Marquez/Hulkquez, who he knocked down -- anybody near his natural weight of lightweight "...for years."

    And he has only kayoed lightweights and below on da regs during those years, the Roast. You have let the con men of boxing run one on you again. My friend, think for yourself.

    Don't believe the jive. Da Manny is knocking C-Al TFO by round FIVE. The kid will think that he is in a P-Islands beehive.Holla!
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