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    Was looking for Lee's pendulum graphics and kinda fell over this thread. Pretty interesting topic, I think.

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    Re: LIKE MIKE? Is Floyd Mayweather the Michael Jordan of Boxing?

    If Jordan is representative of the pinnacle of the sport... and is the embodiment of the greatest basketball player who ever lived. ....Then within the context of that definition I would have to say probably not.

    But only because of a couple of untimely periods of inactivity.

    Ultimately the nominee for the best ever scenario in boxing is a discussion that could potentially rage until the end of time.

    But if we take into account Floyd's body of work within the last two decades..... he cannot be dismissed. On the contrary.....he must be embraced as one of the best ever within the context of the last twenty five years.

    Honestly I also think its a position he would have to share with Manny Pacquiao since we don't have conclusive evidence which fighter would have prevailed had they met in 2009. Even though Manny lost to fighter who would never have a chance of defeating Floyd Mayweather.

    Other than Manny,.... Floyd's timeline intersects with some of the greatest boxers in modern history.

    Early in his career Mayweather challenged Sugar Shane Mosely when he still had a 92% KO ratio at lightweight. Shane declined the offer while explaining that he needed to go to the dentist. Yet he would go onto fight Vernon Forest and Oscar Del LA Hoya twice.

    Floyd won the title from one of the most experienced and seasoned veteran boxers of the 90's....Genaro Hernandez...... at a point in his career when Genaro was considered to be invincible.

    And he did it at the tender age of 21years old.

    Floyd challenged a murderous boxer puncher named Kostya Tszyu who declined Floyds offer and eventually fought an energized Ricky Hatton instead a year later and was forced to retire before the final bell. ....Floyd destroyed Kostya's conquerer ... a tough physical brawler who had never known defeat.

    Shane Mosely destroys a human wrecking machine named Antonio Margarito whom no one wanted any part of and becomes the Crown Jewell of the welterweight division until he subsequently becomes diagnosed as a shot fighter after facing Mayweather.

    Floyd had a similar effect on Cotto also,

    Cotto was also perceived to be unfit to compete at the elite level after suffering a decisive loss to Mayweather via unanimous decision. Cotto would go onto to establish himself as a future Hall of Famer by destroying Martinez for the middleweight title.

    Canelo was said to be too green...after his one sided loss to Mayweather but has defeated the very best junior middleweights in the world today.

    Do you see a pattern emerging here?

    Floyd would have to ascend to mount olympus and defeat Zeus in a barehanded brawl to have a Career that was any more Mythic than his current resume.

    And given the length of time he's been dominant in the sport even Jordan has to appreciate his longevity and the quality of his opposition.

    Due to Floyds acrimonious relationship with the public it may take a while for fans to appreciate. But rest assured those accolades are forth coming.




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    Re: LIKE MIKE? Is Floyd Mayweather the Michael Jordan of Boxing?

    Sugar Ray Leonard maybe, Floyd? No chance

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    Quote Originally Posted by brownsugar View Post
    If Jordan is representative of the pinnacle of the sport... and is the embodiment of the greatest basketball player who ever lived. ....Then within the context of that definition I would have to say probably not.

    But only because of a couple of untimely periods of inactivity.

    Ultimately the nominee for the best ever scenario in boxing is a discussion that could potentially rage until the end of time.

    But if we take into account Floyd's body of work within the last two decades..... he cannot be dismissed. On the contrary.....he must be embraced as one of the best ever within the context of the last twenty five years.

    Honestly I also think its a position he would have to share with Manny Pacquiao since we don't have conclusive evidence which fighter would have prevailed had they met in 2009. Even though Manny lost to fighter who would never have a chance of defeating Floyd Mayweather.

    Other than Manny,.... Floyd's timeline intersects with some of the greatest boxers in modern history.

    Early in his career Mayweather challenged Sugar Shane Mosely when he still had a 92% KO ratio at lightweight. Shane declined the offer while explaining that he needed to go to the dentist. Yet he would go onto fight Vernon Forest and Oscar Del LA Hoya twice.

    Floyd won the title from one of the most experienced and seasoned veteran boxers of the 90's....Genaro Hernandez...... at a point in his career when Genaro was considered to be invincible.

    And he did it at the tender age of 21years old.

    Floyd challenged a murderous boxer puncher named Kostya Tszyu who declined Floyds offer and eventually fought an energized Ricky Hatton instead a year later and was forced to retire before the final bell. ....Floyd destroyed Kostya's conquerer ... a tough physical brawler who had never known defeat.

    Shane Mosely destroys a human wrecking machine named Antonio Margarito whom no one wanted any part of and becomes the Crown Jewell of the welterweight division until he subsequently becomes diagnosed as a shot fighter after facing Mayweather.

    Floyd had a similar effect on Cotto also,

    Cotto was also perceived to be unfit to compete at the elite level after suffering a decisive loss to Mayweather via unanimous decision. Cotto would go onto to establish himself as a future Hall of Famer by destroying Martinez for the middleweight title.

    Canelo was said to be too green...after his one sided loss to Mayweather but has defeated the very best junior middleweights in the world today.

    Do you see a pattern emerging here?

    Floyd would have to ascend to mount olympus and defeat Zeus in a barehanded brawl to have a Career that was any more Mythic than his current resume.

    And given the length of time he's been dominant in the sport even Jordan has to appreciate his longevity and the quality of his opposition.

    Due to Floyds acrimonious relationship with the public it may take a while for fans to appreciate. But rest assured those accolades are forth coming.




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    Quote Originally Posted by The Shadow View Post
    Check this out, Suge. From a fighter: http://www.fighthype.com/news/articl...medium=twitter
    Isn't this opinion based?

    Is Madaina better than Algeri? Ortiz put him down a few times and beat him up. Khan put him down, staggered him and beat him more impressively than Floyd did. Also Alexander beat him. The first Floyd Chino fight was very close.

    Floyd has not had an impressive or entertaining showing since he beat Cotto. Sure he schooled Alvarez, but he did what was expected.

    Pac beat Bradley twice, who was a sure top 10 lb4lb and challenged himself by facing his nemesis and most difficult opponent in JMM a 4th time.

    Floyd has yet to face his nemesis and perceived most difficult opponent yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amayseng View Post
    Isn't this opinion based?

    Is Madaina better than Algeri? Ortiz put him down a few times and beat him up. Khan put him down, staggered him and beat him more impressively than Floyd did. Also Alexander beat him. The first Floyd Chino fight was very close.

    Floyd has not had an impressive or entertaining showing since he beat Cotto. Sure he schooled Alvarez, but he did what was expected.

    Pac beat Bradley twice, who was a sure top 10 lb4lb and challenged himself by facing his nemesis and most difficult opponent in JMM a 4th time.

    Floyd has yet to face his nemesis and perceived most difficult opponent yet.
    Good points.

    When I clicked on that link I was expecting someone different. Willie Monroe? $1 and lil Willy's opinion can get you a donut. Who cares about that opinion. Get some credible opinions. Ask some Hall of Famers their opinion. Ask guys at the top of the sport now and in the last few decades and get a consensus on who the best is. Sugar Ray Leonard is head and shoulders above Floyd. Speaking of head and shoulders,remember the Speed stick commercials? Hagler is head and shoulders above Floyd too.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QeSGaWn7aQ

    1988 Right Guard Sport Stick Commercial (with Marvelous Marvin Hagler)

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    Great commercial, deepwater2 ! My favorite boxing commercial I seen in my motel room the morning after watching Hagler Hearns in the Ceasar's Palace parking lot the night before ! Hagler is seen eating some pizza, he finally speaks saying " I wonder what he's eating right now, probably soup" ! I never seen it again !

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    Quote Originally Posted by deepwater2 View Post
    Good points.

    When I clicked on that link I was expecting someone different. Willie Monroe? $1 and lil Willy's opinion can get you a donut. Who cares about that opinion. Get some credible opinions. Ask some Hall of Famers their opinion. Ask guys at the top of the sport now and in the last few decades and get a consensus on who the best is. Sugar Ray Leonard is head and shoulders above Floyd. Speaking of head and shoulders,remember the Speed stick commercials? Hagler is head and shoulders above Floyd too.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QeSGaWn7aQ

    1988 Right Guard Sport Stick Commercial (with Marvelous Marvin Hagler)
    Don't matter who says it; he makes valid points. I posted it to Brownsugar because it was very similar to what he had posted in the post I repsonded to.

    I think Willie Monroe makes some salient points. And if you want to get a great's take, I actually have screenshots on my phone from a Ray Leonard interview with Ring Magazine where he says something very, very similar.

    In fact, most guys in boxing, championship level fighters, seem to heap this praise on Mayweather, many calling him the greatest of all time. It's mostly fans who throw stones at him, just like Monroe says.

    Also, he was making a VERY good points that Pacquiao gets a pass but Stephen A. Smith will call for a boycott if he fights Amir Khan, a guy who would be favored to beat Chris Algieri by any unbiased observer and a guy who has done 10x in his career, amateur or pro, that Algieri. (This is something not even the most rabid hater would be able to dispute.)

    And I like Algieri better than I do Khan, for the record.

    It is what it is.

    As far as your opinion on Marvin Hagler and Leonard compared to Mayweather, you're certainly entitled to that opinion.

    I don't think Hagler's resume compares with Mayweather or even Pernell Whitaker but that's the beauty of boxing; the passion.
    Last edited by The Shadow; 10-31-2014 at 01:49 PM.

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