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    It's Past Time For Mayweathers' Legacy Fight




    Five division champ Floyd Mayweather must never sleep. His mind is always working. Last week he floated (yes, it was he who put it out there through one of his gofers) a rumor that he bet $10.4 million on the Denver Broncos to win the Super Bowl, then after the Broncos went down 43-8 to the Seattle Seahawks, he confirmed that he didn't even bet the game.

    Before that he Tweeted that he wanted boxing fans to pick who he should fight next between Englishman Amir Khan 28-3 (20) and Marcos Maidana 35-3 (31). Yeah, that'll really make fans feel as if they have a say in the process. I wonder how the vote would unfold if there were other candidates involved named Manny Pacquiao, Sergio Martinez and Gennday Golovkin? Think Floyd would give the fans what they wanted then? Of course not.

    However, since we're stuck with Khan or Maidana that's what we have to work with. There's definitely a better story line surrounding Maidana. After all, Marcos just took apart Floyd Mayweather-lite in Adrien Broner in his last fight, and he is an aggressive guy who can hit pretty good. The problem is, Mayweather has already handled bigger and stronger fighters than Maidana without too much trouble. It's unlikely in my mind that Maidana could hurt Mayweather enough to turn the fight with one shot even if Floyd stood right in front of him and gave him a freebie. Add to that Mayweather's boxing skills and defense, how many good shots would Maidana even land over the course of 12 rounds? I bet you could count them on one hand.

    So the thought of Mayweather fighting Maidana does nothing to stimulate me and I'm sure I'm not alone. Amir Khan used to be trained by Pacquiao trainer Freddie Roach, and Roach believes Khan could be Mayweather's stumbling block.

    "I've always said Amir has the right style to beat Floyd if he fights correctly and doesn't stay in the pocket too long," Roach told reporters earlier this year. "I always thought he could beat him with his speed. I think he's faster than Mayweather and that's what it takes to beat him. Floyd might have his hands full on the night."

    Sure, what Roach said is very plausible on paper. But Floyd is too long, strong and accurate for Khan. And though Mayweather is not a single shot knockout type puncher, his accuracy would be a problem for Khan, being that Amir will be lured into pushing the fight and get hit very cleanly on the point of the chin as he tried to pursue Mayweather. The reality is Khan isn't skilled enough and Maidana isn't nearly a big enough puncher to unravel Mayweather. Mayweather's skill set is in a different universe compared to Amir Khan and Marcos Maidana. There's just no buzz, interest or drama in seeing either Khan or Maidana in the ring with Mayweather at this point. Everyone knows Floyd would jog to an easy win over both of these outstanding fighters. The time has come for Floyd to finally take a career defining fight that critics like myself can't attach a "but" too. Like Shane Mosley was a corpse when Mayweather finally fought him seven years after it meant something, or Saul Alvarez hadn't yet arrived as a real threat when Floyd agreed to fight him at a catch-weight. How about beating the much smaller Juan Manuel Marquez on the scale before manhandling him in the ring? Sugar Ray Leonard had a chance to fight Alexis Arguello in 1980 and declined because he felt it was too one sided in his favor. How much credit would Leonard have received had he taken Arguello apart the way Mayweather did Marquez? Not much. Well, Mayweather beating up an over-fed featherweight in Marquez is the same thing.

    I was one of the last hold outs to submit that Floyd Mayweather is an authentically great fighter, but I've evolved, he is and he doesn't have to beat Manny Pacquiao to justify it. That said, I still think of him as being greatly managed before I think of what he brings to the ring as a fighter, and I'm nowhere close to being in the minority when it comes to holding that view among boxing observers and historians. Floyd needs a legacy fight in a bad way. Everyone knows there's no one around in his weight vicinity who can beat him, there just isn't. It's past the time for Floyd Mayweather to finally step up and take on a legitimately dangerous bigger fighter without shrinking him down before the fight to where he is compromised. Mayweather has amassed all the money and material things he'll ever need or desire. However, the chance to establish an ever-lasting legacy as an all-time great is running out like sand through an hourglass.

    In reality, Gennday Golovkin is the only fighter near his weight who could provide Floyd a real challenge and that's the only fight out there for Mayweather that should interest the public. Roberto Duran and Thomas Hearns took on Marvin Hagler when he was in his prime and lost, but losing didn't hurt their legacy a bit. Sugar Ray Leonard fought Hagler when Marvin was riding an 11 year unbeaten streak and Ray had only fought once in five years, and Golovkin is no Hagler, yet Leonard beating Hagler sealed his legacy forever as one of the greatest of the greats.

    Sure, Mayweather is a certain first ballot hall of fame fighter and boxer. But does he really belong in that adjacent room where only the greatest of the greats reside - namely Harry Greb, Henry Armstrong, Sam Langford, Sugar Ray Robinson, Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran and a few other pound for pound greats? Not based on his current resume despite him being undefeated. In fact, it's not even close.

    Even if he won a decision over the determined and hard punching Golovkin, it wouldn't open the door for him to join the fighters in that adjacent room as the greatest of the greats, there's nothing he can do to get in there. But beating Golovkin without a stipulation or catch-weight would be a monumental signature win, especially at age 37, and very well could get him a window seat outside it and stir the debate as to whether he should be invited in or not.

    Unfortunately, those of us who have followed Floyd Mayweather's stellar career know this will never happen. Floyd is only concerned about retiring undefeated and could care less if he's more remembered for being risk averse instead of as Muhammad Ali once said, not being "afraid to dare to dare!"

    Frank Lotierzo can be contacted at GlovedFist@Gmail.com

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    Re: It's Past Time For Mayweathers' Legacy Fight

    Floyd has a legacy "Career" one fight wouldn't define him, the man has been a world champion almost 2 decades....

    GGG is a fad in my opinion, I'm still not sold on him yet, plus he's advertised by Bob & he's probably 20lbs too big for Floyd, I don't see people asking Rigondeaux to fight Pacquiao at 147 to Define his Career.

    It's crazy that people uses Floyd's talent against him like it's his fault he's way better than all the guys in his division..... People wanna see Floyd "challenged" and I get that, but Maidana & Khan are both world class fighters and you don't know what they'll bring to the table on fight night.

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    Re: It's Past Time For Mayweathers' Legacy Fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Editor Mike View Post



    Five division champ Floyd Mayweather must never sleep. His mind is always working. Last week he floated (yes, it was he who put it out there through one of his gofers) a rumor that he bet $10.4 million on the Denver Broncos to win the Super Bowl, then after the Broncos went down 43-8 to the Seattle Seahawks, he confirmed that he didn't even bet the game.
    Not true. He confirmed it five days before the Super Bowl. #factcheck

    GGG? His team has made clear several times publicly recently that he's staying at 160.

    Even if he wanted to, it's a contractual impossibility. HBO has EXCLUSIVE rights to GGG. SHO/CBS have EXCLUSIVE rights to Floyd.

    They don't just give up those rights. Nor will they work together on that fight because they're not equal draws.

    It's like saying you want Daniel Bryan vs. Samoa Joe for Wrestlemania. Or Jon Jones vs. whoever the guy over in Japan is who's contractually bound to whatever organization exists over there.

    Another thing: people GROSSLY overestimate Floyd's business and marketing acumen. Like, it's unreal. He's not this genius businessman. He's a capable businessman.

    His business acumen lies in surrounding himself with the right people and trusting them to do their jobs. THAT'S IT!

    He has ideas, he's involved and he understands the business of boxing.

    But please, all this stuff of him cleverly concocting plots that masterfully use the public as marionettes in ways that will fatten his pockets are simply not true.

    People even hate him so much that they actually give him credit for retroactively fooling people into thinking someone is a threat, only to beat said someone easily and have his sinister plot exposed!

    But then it is too late! He's already got our money! Oh no! The deception! The treachery!

    (Newsflash: He's not that smart. The reality is the public and people build these guys up as threats, he fights them, they're overmatched, and then people say he led the hype job.

    The ONLY thing he ever said about Guerrero during the promotion was --when asked what Ghost does well -- Floyd said, "he holds and hits. That's it."

    In fact, badmouths pretty much every challenger until after the fight. Canelo "is a fan who steals my moves."

    Ortiz is "no special effects, he's a liar, his story is fake and he can't make weight."


    Contrary to what people think he has been challenged. They're just not good enough to beat him.)

    He's a mix of the consummate athlete and a pro wrestling character. Not a business mogul.

    In reality, he has nothing to do with his promotional company. That's all Leonard Ellerbe. He doesn't really do anything on the business end.

    If he did, he wouldn't spend the way he does. Or gamble the way he does. Good business people are frugal, thrifty and cheap. He's a rich athlete with an awesome team.

    Think Michael Jordan, the Million Dollar Man mixed with a little Triple H.

    He's not Donald Trump.
    Last edited by The Shadow; 02-07-2014 at 02:42 PM.

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    Re: It's Past Time For Mayweathers' Legacy Fight

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthPawFlo View Post
    Floyd has a legacy "Career" one fight wouldn't define him, the man has been a world champion almost 2 decades....

    GGG is a fad in my opinion, I'm still not sold on him yet, plus he's advertised by Bob & he's probably 20lbs too big for Floyd, I don't see people asking Rigondeaux to fight Pacquiao at 147 to Define his Career.

    It's crazy that people uses Floyd's talent against him like it's his fault he's way better than all the guys in his division..... People wanna see Floyd "challenged" and I get that, but Maidana & Khan are both world class fighters and you don't know what they'll bring to the table on fight night.
    GGG is actually with the Klitschkos. But he's contractually bound to HBO. Has nothing to do with Arum. Not even sure they've ever met.

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    If Mayweather wants to be considered and I do mean considered an "all time great" he needs to do what other all time greats did and not just cherry pick his opponents. Fight a legitimate middleweight and beat him. Great welterweights like Ray Leonard did it, Ray Robinson did it, Thomas Hearns won a middleweight title. As of now Roberto Duran is the only former lightweight kingpin to win a middleweight title. If Mayweather wants to be considered in the same breath as them he needs to do the same thing. You are who you've fought to as great degree.

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    Re: It's Past Time For Mayweathers' Legacy Fight

    Money May has already said that he is "The Best Ever," not "The Greatest" or even an all-time great. Holla!

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    Re: It's Past Time For Mayweathers' Legacy Fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Coxs Corner View Post
    If Mayweather wants to be considered and I do mean considered an "all time great" he needs to do what other all time greats did and not just cherry pick his opponents. Fight a legitimate middleweight and beat him. Great welterweights like Ray Leonard did it, Ray Robinson did it, Thomas Hearns won a middleweight title. As of now Roberto Duran is the only former lightweight kingpin to win a middleweight title. If Mayweather wants to be considered in the same breath as them he needs to do the same thing. You are who you've fought to as great degree.
    Interesting point. However you're kinda disrupting your case by ignoring one one important element. Those guys you mention STARTED at welterweight and fought at light heavyweight or heavier.

    FM started at super featherweight. He won the Senior National Golden Gloves 106. Only reason -- or at least a major reason -- he didn't go pro then was because he wanted to win the Olympics.

    So overall, he HAS done what other greats have done. Most importantly, Mayweather (along with Pacquiao) holds the record for most legitimate, lineal championships in the most weight classes.

    More than Leonard, more than Jones, more than Hearns, De La Hoya, Toney, you name it. You can't cherry pick your way to that. You just can't.

    In fact, Floyd, had he signed to fight Garcia at 140, would be the first since Homicide Hank to hold THREE lineal titles at once.

    So your point is kinda flawed. He maxes out at 147. Even 154 is stretching it. And he only goes there for mega fights. 160 is just madness. He and Pacquiao are the same size. No one's asking him to go up.

    As far as legacy, his legacy is money. His three fights at JMW were record breaking blockbusters, averaging over 2 million buys per bout.

    That will be his legacy, if he were to retire today. Not too shabby, in my book.

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    Roberto Duran turned pro as a featherweight and had a long reign as lightweight champion before moving up to welterweight and didn't even bother with the junior welterweight title and fought the best 147 pounder in the world, Ray Leonard instead of trying to make a match with say Pipino Cuevas who held the WBA title he could have made that fight before Thomas Hearns signed to fight him. Duran fought Marvin Hagler for the middleweight title and went the distance and Hagler had to rally over the last 3 rounds to earn the decision. Think Mayweather could go the distance with Marvin Hagler? He wouldn't even sign to fight him. GGG isn't exactly Hagler now is he? Duran won a middleweight title against the much bigger, stronger and more powerful Iran Barkley. I don't see anything like this on Mayweathers resume. Money is his legacy and that's about it.

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    Re: It's Past Time For Mayweathers' Legacy Fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Coxs Corner View Post
    Roberto Duran turned pro as a featherweight and had a long reign as lightweight champion before moving up to welterweight and didn't even bother with the junior welterweight title and fought the best 147 pounder in the world, Ray Leonard instead of trying to make a match with say Pipino Cuevas who held the WBA title he could have made that fight before Thomas Hearns signed to fight him. Duran fought Marvin Hagler for the middleweight title and went the distance and Hagler had to rally over the last 3 rounds to earn the decision. Think Mayweather could go the distance with Marvin Hagler? He wouldn't even sign to fight him. GGG isn't exactly Hagler now is he? Duran won a middleweight title against the much bigger, stronger and more powerful Iran Barkley. I don't see anything like this on Mayweathers resume. Money is his legacy and that's about it.
    Agreed.

    Duran superior to Floyd by FAR. As is Hearns, Hagler and SRL.

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    Re: It's Past Time For Mayweathers' Legacy Fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Coxs Corner View Post
    Think Mayweather could go the distance with Marvin Hagler? He wouldn't even sign to fight him...Money is his legacy and that's about it.
    His legacy will be money and drug testing.

    Here's a question. Think Marvin Hagler would sign to fight Archie Moore? Think he would win? I don't see anything like that on his resume, either.

    AMayseng, I dig Hagler though. A real blue-collar type of grinder. Who wins, him or GGG?

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