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    Who Can Beat Mayweather? We May Have the Answer


    The closest Floyd Mayweather Jr. came to losing a fight was against Jose Luis Castillo on April 20 of 2002.
    Castillo was at the peak of his game and gave him more trouble than any other fighter "Lil’ Floyd" has faced so far. The native of Sonora, Mexico timed Mayweather Jr. beautifully, providing him with a taste of leather on more than one occasion.

    Mayweather Jr. won on the judge’s cards with scores of 116-111 and 115-111 (twice). More than a few fans argued that the Grand Rapids, Michigan native got some favorable scoring. The promoters of the event, Top Rank Promotions, quickly responded by making Mayweather-Castillo II. The re-match took place almost eight months later on December 7th of the same year. Castillo gave Mayweather Jr. a good fight but was less effective this time. Interestingly, the judges scored the second fight closer with cards of 116-113 and 115-113 (twice).

    "I haven’t had a hard fight yet," 36 year old Mayweather Jr. boasted during a recent pre-fight Showtime special. He may not be known for his humility but apart from the Castillo fight, he’s made most of his title defenses look easy. He's been nothing short of masterful against top rate opponents like the late Diego Corrales, Miguel Cotto and Robert "The Ghost" Guerrero.

    Some fans see it differently. There are those who see Mayweather Jr.’s latest opponents as having been brilliantly selected by a team of handlers. More specifically, Al Haymon and Leonard Ellerbee.

    Whether you agree or disagree with this notion, you have to admit, they‘ve done a magnificent job of running Mayweather’s career. They found a way to match him up against aged champions Oscar De La Hoya and Shane Mosley, an emotionally immature Victor Ortiz and most importantly, they helped him dodge a Filipino bullet by the name of Manny Pacquaio. Long enough for the Filipino legend to get starched by Juan Manuel Marquez during their fourth encounter. But let‘s not forget, this is a business and finding their fighters minimal risks for maximum dollars is their job.

    Mayweather has indicated on more than one occasion that retirement is lurking around the corner. Will he retire undefeated? Who’ll get the chance to topple the number one "pound for pound" fighter in the world? Beating him means the possibility of world wide stardom and riches. For more established fighters like Pacquiao and Marquez, it means enriching their legacy even further by defeating the only fighter left with an aura of invincibility.

    Mayweather Jr. has a target on his back and here’s a list of those aiming at him. They all have a realistic chance of getting a fight with Mayweather Jr. But what are their chances of beating him?

    1. Juan Manuel Marquez (55-6-1, 40 KO's)

    Marquez lost to Mayweather Jr. in 2009 by a wide margin on the scorecards. Marquez has changed quite a bit since then. Not only as a fighter, but physically as well. The Mexico City native has been transformed into a bigger and stronger specimen due to newly acquired training regiment. Although there are whispers regarding his increase in size and strength, Marquez and camp deny anything fishy is going on. He will in fact, be submitting to testing for performance enhancing drugs prior to his fight against up-coming opponent Tim Bradley.

    How would a rematch between Marquez and Mayweather Jr. play out at this point? Marquez would do a little better but the outcome would likely be similar. On the other hand, there’s always the chance Marquez lands the same monster punch he did against Pacquaio.

    2. Danny "Swift" Garcia (26-0, 16 KO's)

    Zab Judah proved to the world that Garcia, the current WBC and WBA 140 pound champion, gets hit way too much in order to deal with someone like Mayweather Jr. Garcia, 25, is still young and may evolve into a more formidable force. Right now, his focus is set on Lucas Matthysse, his opponent on the undercard of the highly awaited clash between Saul "Canelo" Alvarez and Mayweather Jr. on September 14th.

    3. Saul "Canelo" Alvarez (42-0, 30 KO's)

    Alvarez is scheduled to fight Mayweather Jr. September 14 in Las Vegas in what's expected be the biggest boxing event of the year. Boxing pundits are saying that Alvarez is young, too young. That he’s fast, but not fast enough. That he’s talented but lacks experience against high level opponents. How will the red headed, freckled faced Mexican fare against Mayweather Jr.?

    Alvarez should do well due to his youth, level of skill and superiority in size. The difference will be Mayweather's athletic superiority. While Alvarez tends to fade at the end of his fights, Mayweather usually finishes strong and will likely take the championship rounds.

    But keep in mind that September 14 could be the night that "Canelo" Alvarez reaches his peak just as Mayweather Jr. starts to decline. It could very well happen. It‘s happened before. With just one punch, Alvarez can score the upset of the decade.

    4. Lucas Matthysse (34-2, 32 KO’s)

    This Argentinean has power and incredible timing. His third round stoppage of Lamont Peterson was an impressive performance which led to a date against WBC and WBA 140 pound champion Danny "Swift" Garcia. It should be a war which could produce a viable candidate for Mayweather Jr.

    As far as Matthysse's chances against Mayweather Jr. are concerned, we’ll take a "wait and see" attitude. He’s got Danny Garcia as his next opponent and beating him should be no easy feat. A couple more fights under his belt should tell us everything we need to know about his chances against Floyd.

    5. Timothy Bradley (30-0, 12 KO's)

    Despite beating Manny Pacquiao via controversial decision, Bradley has yet to cash in on his victory. Perhaps it's due to the perception that Bradley was gifted the decision. Since then, he was involved in a brutal fight of the year candidate vs. Ruslan Provodnikov. The Palm Springs native will next take on Juan Manuel Marquez in what should be an intriguing fight.

    Bradley is a great warrior and one of the toughest men in the world but that’s not enough to beat Mayweather Jr. If you can’t match Floyd’s speed, power and athleticism then your chances are limited. While Bradley fits the athletic requirements, the speed factor and Mayweather Jr.'s overall experience would be too much to overcome. Bradley has other pending problems since defeating Marquez will be an incredibly difficult task. If he beats Marquez and looks good doing it, then a fight against Mayweather Jr. is a real possibility...if he weren't with Top Rank.

    6. Manny Pacquiao (54-5-2, 38 KO's)

    The Filipino boxing icon was knocked out and had his invincibility shield yanked from him by Juan Manuel Marquez in 2012 with the left hand heard around the world. But let’s put the knockout it in its proper context. Pacquiao was having a hell of a fight until that fateful punch which was timed perfectly. It was boxing's version of divine justice for Marquez who had been robbed of a win at least once in three previous encounters with Pac-Man.

    Pacquaio will be making his return to the ring against Brandon Rios which will be a very difficult fight. Not only is this a great fight for the public but it will give us the proper insight as to Pacquiao’s state of mind.

    If the old Manny resurfaces and defeats a formidable opponent like Rios, a fight vs. Mayweather will eventually have to be a subject for discussion.

    Conclusion:

    Pacquaio is the one.

    That's right. Out of all the people on the list, Manny Pacquaio is the one with the best chance at defeating Mayweather Jr. Many at this point are thinking "excuse me? This is the same man that got knocked out by Marquez who lost to Floyd easy." But this kind of boxing math doesn’t always work out in real life.

    If we stick to the premise that in order to beat Mayweather Jr. you must match his speed, athleticism and power, then Pacquiao would be his most dangerous foe. Not only is he just as fast and athletic as Mayweather, I would argue that he’s a harder puncher.

    Yes, he was stopped by Marquez with the punch that shook up the Philippines and its people, but what happened before the stoppage? Pacquaio dropped Marquez and did plenty of damage. He went for the knockout, left himself vulnerable, Marquez capitalized, end of story. Pacquiao was knocked out but it’s not necessarily the end.

    Pacquiao will be fighting Brandon Rios next in what has to be the hardest comeback fight they could’ve scheduled for him. Rios is a beast and will give Pac-Man problems. He gives everyone problems. This fight will tell the world if Manny is truly back.

    If Pacquiao defeats Rios in spectacular fashion, then there’s no doubt a fight with Mayweather Jr. will absolutely be entertained again.

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    Re: Who Can Beat Mayweather? We May Have the Answer

    I think this list is extremely fluid due to the influence of time. Outside of the lucky punch, I don't think anyone out there can beat Mayweather in his present form, not even Pac. However, in boxing father time comes down hard and very fast. I wonder if a late 37, 38, maybe even 39 year old, trying to finish out his Showtime contract Floyd can perform at this current level. Also, contrary to popular belief, Floyd has slowed some. Most people don't notice because his talent is otherworldly so even a slowed Money is better that 99% of fighters in the world.

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    Re: Who Can Beat Mayweather? We May Have the Answer

    Listen to the G pugilistic scribe. He is spot on. But you guys don't hear it. You guys' brains are BLEEPED-up on Money May fantasy! And you are suffering from inattention blindness and haters' hate. You cannot relate. Your biasness and jingoism are on slate. Da Manny would eat Money May's arse up like some balut on a diamond-clustered plate. Holla!
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    agreed Radam G mayweather spanks all fighters on this list but pacman with matthysse being a good threat, he just isnt big enough.


    pac has more speed than mayweather.
    pac has more power than mayweather.
    pac has better footwork than mayweather
    better agility, quicker hands, throws combinations, uses angles....
    footwork. footwork. footwork...

    when i am dead and gone you will all remember amayseng talking about footwork, it is so overlooked it isnt even funny.

    pac has the foot speed and agility to be where he needs to be to catch floyd.


    also if ggg could make 154 healthy, he would beat this version of floyd at this age

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    What I find "Amayseng" (bad pun) is that I agree with you and Radam's assessment of Pac vs Mayweather but I still think Floyd beats him. Here's why:

    -Although Pac owns advantages in those categories, they are not chasm differences. The difference in speed is minmal, typically (excusing the Guerrero, Cotto fights) so is the difference in footwork.
    -Pac has never had anyone who is going to make him figure it out offensively. He has been able to blister everyone because they have been at best average defensively. Floyd will give him enough problems defensively that by the time he figures it out it will be too late
    -Floyd is bigger and stronger. This matters as he will be able to effectively tie him up if Pac gets to slugging and would be able to muscle him.
    -Pac has some defensive liabilities. Pac can be hit and hit often. Floyd is still quick enough to exploit those openings especially with his jab. I think that throws Pac's timing and angles off.
    -Height and reach. These attributes are sometime overrated but when comparing these two it matters. These attributes combined with Floyd's style will allow him to keep Pac off of him to an extent.

    All in all though, I just wish they would fight.

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    Re: Who Can Beat Mayweather? We May Have the Answer

    floyd is bigger and stronger, on the inside and tying up.
    but pac doesnt lean and stay on the inside and fight in that manner, he fights in the space he has, he doesn lean and stay stationary on an opponent.

    with pacs work rate and activity, throwing combinations and moving in and out, he will not have to land clean

    on floyd and daze or phase him or knock him out...

    his activity and throwing 3,4,5, punches will score and win rounds as opposed to floyds one here and there..

    stamina wise pac is near the same level as floyd, he wont slow down and fade out...


    radam, can you specifically explain how you think the fight will go exactly with pac.....how he will win

    from a strategic standpoint?

    im curious to know

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    Simply Money May is quick and slick on a slow right-handed fighting d***! To him a fast-arse southpaw is a trick. And has brains up in the head instead of a brick.

    Also Money May is a master of playing mind games. English ones! That will not work on Da Manny, because he knows that Money May is a bullsyetter and jiver. Plus Money May suffers badly from mythical war propaganda beliefs of Da Manny. [YUP! A-side meth that helped Filipino warriors walk through bullets during the Philippine-American War.] Plus Money May has fans that think Da Manny is also on a ""consumption of" deadly human-eating kanines, in addition to Pinoy's "walking-throught-bullets roids. Hehehe! Any excuse will work against a people once thought of as "half devil and half child."

    Boxing is at least 85-percent mental, and anybody with an iota of a brain can see that Money May is full of lies and mental problems in not dancing with Da Manny.

    It is skills that pay the bills. But being mentally fit that will get the fire in you lit. When it comes to Da Manny, Money May has no fire or desire. It is like fighting a gloved, wild bear, Money May doesn't care. It is a superiority-thinking excuse of yesteryears. Money May doesn't want U.S. Americans to shed years. No human has to beat down a half-child, half-devil one. Holla!

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    Re: Who Can Beat Mayweather? We May Have the Answer

    ok radam, what i mean is,

    will it be the ability of manny to side step left or right and use that left hand to score willingly against the

    mayweather shoulder roll?

    or will it be that pac has more speed and power and land cleanly on floyd and batter him up?

    how do you see the fight going exactly?

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    The Philly shell/crab doesn't work well on a southpaw. This why is Money May had trouble with Judah, Corley, naturally left-handed Cotto, dumb-arse Vicious Victor for a sec, in Money May's first or second fight where the Southpaw Sanders cut up Money May, lastly Money May had a foot problem of stumbling against the Cali Humbug Ghost Guerrera.

    Money May would not be able to handle the speed demon PacMan, PERIOD! And the red-headed hype won't get totally blasted out if he switches to southpaw. He would throw Money May off for bit. On Money May, he will be able to hit. Holla!

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    Re: Who Can Beat Mayweather? We May Have the Answer

    Quote Originally Posted by amayseng View Post
    agreed Radam G mayweather spanks all fighters on this list but pacman with matthysse being a good threat, he just isnt big enough.


    pac has more speed than mayweather.
    pac has more power than mayweather.
    pac has better footwork than mayweather
    better agility, quicker hands, throws combinations, uses angles....
    footwork. footwork. footwork...

    when i am dead and gone you will all remember amayseng talking about footwork, it is so overlooked it isnt even funny.

    pac has the foot speed and agility to be where he needs to be to catch floyd.


    also if ggg could make 154 healthy, he would beat this version of floyd at this age
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    Quote Originally Posted by amayseng View Post
    agreed Radam G mayweather spanks all fighters on this list but pacman with matthysse being a good threat, he just isnt big enough.


    pac has more speed than mayweather.
    pac has more power than mayweather.
    pac has better footwork than mayweather
    better agility, quicker hands, throws combinations, uses angles....
    footwork. footwork. footwork...

    when i am dead and gone you will all remember amayseng talking about footwork, it is so overlooked it isnt even funny.

    pac has the foot speed and agility to be where he needs to be to catch floyd.


    also if ggg could make 154 healthy, he would beat this version of floyd at this age
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    ***** Paq doesn't have better footwork, he's a hyper, frenetic fireball,...a jittery spastic wad of energy who bouncing around the ring sometimes with a purpose, sometimes haphazardly, But there is no divine plan... other than fighting so erratically he confuses his opponent and eventually gets the opportunity to skitter behind the other guys blindside, ...even slipping in punches behind his opponets back, which I don't consider a boxing skill..... What most people bring up about Paq are the angles.... angles and more angles. I don't see angles, I see a dynamo of a physical specimen (because I can't deny that Paq is indeed Uniquely gifted in certain areas)... Flailing from any position, on balance or off,.. so desperate to strike a killing blow it doesn't matter where the punches are coming from...Pac is WILD,... although Roaches influence has made him much more practical and methodical with his offence but it's also the reason he gets tagged so much. Paq frequently doesn't bring his guard back into position after firing after he gets into the heat of the moment......also he'll sometimes lunge into punches... he'll often start the second third and fourth punch in a combination before he's pulled either hand into a defensive position.... Manny is a physically gifted gambler who gambles every time he gets in the ring (its why the fans love him) He's so Spastic, it's hard to track what he's doing and see whats coming next.... Floyd would take away the movement by making sure Paq is always outside of striking range but within Floyd's own reach the entire fight, plus Mayweather can extend his reach another foot by leaning in when he punches... not to mention Floyd observes his opponents feet and nails them while they're in transition(a trade secret).... which is why he catches them so clean.... Floyd would have Pac's ultraquick lunges timed by the 3rd round and either nail him coming it or cripple him with a body shot during one of Paqs many defensive lapses... which everyone knows is Paqs kryptonite. Pac has a strong body but he's got the rib cage of a featherweight... I could see Paq still being ahead in the fight up to the 7th round,... on activity alone... But true to his nature... Floyd would give Pac enough rope to hang himself with it before the fights end. My father however Loved Pac to death and would have picked PAC to defeat Mayweather,... he was a Pactard for sure. .. always trying to get me to watch him way before he was even famous... I couldn't watch because he looked so wild and spastic in my eyes I would always leave in the middle of the fight. But my father saw something special that I couldn't see and proved to be right about Paq's Potential......so who knows, maybe he could win against Floyd.... but personally I don't see it. ************************************************** *********
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