Danny Jacobs Inspired for GGG by Nutritionist Chris Algieri’s Rocky Story

DANNY JACOBS INSPIRED BY ALGIERI — If your name is “Miracle Man” Danny Jacobs and you’re fighting undefeated middleweight champ Gennady Golovkin at Madison Square Garden on HBO Pay-Per-View a week after seeing fellow Brooklynite Curtis Stevens knocked out cold in upstate New York by left hooker David Lemieux on HBO BAD, you might be looking for some extra inspiration. Something to believe in. Someone who believes in you.

Something out of a Rocky movie will do.

Cerebral Assassin Stevens ended up looking like Italian Stallion Rocky Balboa after Clubber Lang wiped the mat with him in their first big screen battle. Victim of a perfectly timed left hook, Stevens was down and out for several minutes while his visibly concerned mother (!) stood by at ringside. In 1982’s ROCKY III, Balboa’s beloved trainer Mickey expired in the dressing room as Rocky was counted out of time. Never one to be outdone in the miracle department, the aptly named “Miracle Man” has an ace up his sleeve for his big shot at Golovkin.

“You never want to see people you’ve known for a long time end up like that,” said Jacobs of Stevens being laid out in three. “This is a reminder of how brutal boxing can be and it’s not a good feeling,” admitted Jacobs. To that point, if Jacobs were to hear what some fans and media are saying about his chances to upset Triple G on Saturday, you couldn’t blame the cancer survivor for being crestfallen.

“This is boxing,” says Jacobs. “I know what can happen.”

Fortunately for Jacobs, in his camp for this fight is a fellow New Yorker; former world champ Chris Algieri. In 2014, Algieri overcame two early knockdowns and a hideously swollen right eye to box his way to a twelve round decision victory over a marauding Ruslan Provodnikov at the Barclays in Brooklyn to win the WBO junior welterweight crown. Major media outlets called it the upset of the year. It was another glaring example of the fact that anything can happen in boxing, including unexpected upsets by undeterred underdogs.

Like Jacobs against Golovkin, few gave Algieri a chance to defeat the Siberian Rockywhen the pair met in the ring. “I told Chris what an inspiration it was for me to be there in Brooklyn when he captured that title,” said Jacobs, himself a WBA champ. The dramatic overview photo of an overjoyed Algieri celebrating as new world champion with his “cut me Mick” eye injury is one sight Jacobs won’t ever forget.

“That’ll always be memorable,” Jacobs said.

I asked Jacobs about his relationship with Algieri and about the encouragement he must draw from having such a proven warrior in his corner.  “It [Algieri-Provodnikov] was just like a Rocky movie, the perfect story for Chris; to see him get off the canvas, continue to fight, have that big swollen eye — and still give it his all when most guys would’ve quit. Having a guy who hasthat experience and has captured his own championship memories like the memories I’m trying to create, it can only add inspiration,” Jacobs told TSS during fight week.

I asked Algieri, who Jacobs calls the best nutritionist he’s ever had, about his role as motivational cook for avery hungry fighter. “It’s a similar situation to me [versus Provodnikov] with Danny as the underdog [versus Golovkin] and people all saying what they’re saying about what’s gonna happen. During my camp for the Provodnikov bout, we had no doubt about what was gonna happen. The momentum and positivity was way up and I was just ready to perform. I’m feeling that same way now being in Team Jacobs’ camp.”

“Danny’s done the work. We know he’s prepared,” concluded Algieri. “Chris believes one hundred percent in my ability to win and I’m one hundred percent prepared,” said Jacobs.The Miracle Man has a strong self-belief and a Rocky-esque chef who believes in him. Danny Jacobs must now prove he can stand the intense heat inside Triple G’s KO kitchen. That’s a tall order for any middleweight.

Danny Jacobs believes he can deliver it on March 18.

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Jeffrey Freeman covers boxing in New England for The Sweet Science

 

COMMENTS

-Radam G :

Simply amazing! Holla!


-KO Digest :

Simply amazing! Holla!
Glad you liked it, thanks for reading. GGG in 3.


-KO Digest :

Simply amazing! Holla!
Glad you liked it, thanks for reading. GGG in 3.


-deepwater2 :

Chris' entire meal plan involves avocado and Ezekiel bread. In fact Jacobs looks ripped at the weigh in. Too ripped. Very dry. Dehydrated fighters are way to easy to ko. GGG in 2. If DJ makes it past 6 , it is a moral victory.


-deepwater2 :

Cletus Seldin busted me up pretty good the other day. Nice right hand. Time to make Seldin vs Algeri at the Nassau coliseum. Come back home CA.


-deepwater2 :

Cletus Seldin busted me up pretty good the other day. Nice right hand. Time to make Seldin vs Algeri at the Nassau coliseum. Come back home CA.


-oubobcat :

Two years ago during Hall of Fame weekend in Canastota I had one of the greatest experiences of my life. Sitting at a table as the golf outing cleared out, Michael Spinks walked over to where my father in law and I were sitting and asked if he could sit with us. I couldn't believe it and he sat down and we got to talking. As I do often, I watch youtube videos of old fights and remembered recently that I had watched a fight of Michael Spinks from 1985. It was his light heavyweight defense against David Sears. I asked him about that fight and he couldn't believe that I knew about that defense. He got to telling how for that fight he hired a nutritionist for the first time in his career and changed his diet. He said he took a lot more weight off than usual and was concerned going into the fight because he didn't feel as strong as normal. He proceeded to tell me in the opening moments of that fight he was hit with a jab and felt his legs shake. In addition, he felt like he had been buzzed and from a jab nonetheless. Spinks told me he was in trouble and knew he had to look for the ko early. He studied Sears looking for an opening and found one in the 3rd. The knockout did come and he admitted to me there wasn't much left. He insisted hiring a nutritionist was one of the biggest misktakes he made in his career. Moral of the story...working with a nutritionist before a big fight for the first time could be a big mistake from Jacobs. He doesn't know how his body will respond the first time in the ring when trying such a new approach. I am with Deep but will take it a step further. GGG TKO 1.


-oubobcat :

Two years ago during Hall of Fame weekend in Canastota I had one of the greatest experiences of my life. Sitting at a table as the golf outing cleared out, Michael Spinks walked over to where my father in law and I were sitting and asked if he could sit with us. I couldn't believe it and he sat down and we got to talking. As I do often, I watch youtube videos of old fights and remembered recently that I had watched a fight of Michael Spinks from 1985. It was his light heavyweight defense against David Sears. I asked him about that fight and he couldn't believe that I knew about that defense. He got to telling how for that fight he hired a nutritionist for the first time in his career and changed his diet. He said he took a lot more weight off than usual and was concerned going into the fight because he didn't feel as strong as normal. He proceeded to tell me in the opening moments of that fight he was hit with a jab and felt his legs shake. In addition, he felt like he had been buzzed and from a jab nonetheless. Spinks told me he was in trouble and knew he had to look for the ko early. He studied Sears looking for an opening and found one in the 3rd. The knockout did come and he admitted to me there wasn't much left. He insisted hiring a nutritionist was one of the biggest misktakes he made in his career. Moral of the story...working with a nutritionist before a big fight for the first time could be a big mistake from Jacobs. He doesn't know how his body will respond the first time in the ring when trying such a new approach. I am with Deep but will take it a step further. GGG TKO 1.


-KO Digest :

Any concern Algieri is whipping up Ariza Smoothies?


-Radam G :

Chris' entire meal plan involves avocado and Ezekiel bread. In fact Jacobs looks ripped at the weigh in. Too ripped. Very dry. Dehydrated fighters are way to easy to ko. GGG in 2. If DJ makes it past 6 , it is a moral victory.
Oh YUP! C-Al is super smart on the nutrition. Especially chowing down on the avocado seed. Dat will give you power and endurance. Holla!


-Radam G :

Chris' entire meal plan involves avocado and Ezekiel bread. In fact Jacobs looks ripped at the weigh in. Too ripped. Very dry. Dehydrated fighters are way to easy to ko. GGG in 2. If DJ makes it past 6 , it is a moral victory.
Oh YUP! C-Al is super smart on the nutrition. Especially chowing down on the avocado seed. Dat will give you power and endurance. Holla!


-stormcentre :

Moral of the story...
working with a nutritionist before a big fight for the first time could be a big mistake from Jacobs.
He doesn't know how his body will respond the first time in the ring when trying such a new approach.
Wise words. Cheers,
Storm. :) :)


-wilyty :

good idea by Jacobs to blow off that second weigh in


-KO Digest :

In the end, Jacobs walked/boxed in Algieri's footsteps. And made his own Rocky story.


-Kid Blast :

This raises Chris's stock big time as a nutrionist. It worked whatever it was.


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

Chris' entire meal plan involves avocado and Ezekiel bread. In fact Jacobs looks ripped at the weigh in. Too ripped. Very dry. Dehydrated fighters are way to easy to ko. GGG in 2. If DJ makes it past 6 , it is a moral victory.
No moral victory, but a literal one. Put me in the category with the boxing pundits that believe that Jacobs OUT BOXED GGG. GGG's punch out put was no where near his normal out put because Danny neutralized him. It was a great fight, but Jacobs edged it out.


-stormcentre :

Yep, Jacobs put in a good show; especially considering he would have been (and was) a bit nervous. That may change if they fight again. Jacobs had the size, weight, strength, reach, and skills to neutralize Triple; and his changing stance really worked for him. I forgot that Jacobs can fight both ways, and I didn't expect he would be that heavy/big either. Jacobs looked like a light heavyweight in there and I would not be surprised to hear he was. Triple was a super middleweight. This was one of the few fights where Triple had to absorb body shots and that showed. As did the fact that Jacobs didn't allow Triple to pin him on the ropes. Jacobs was too big/strong for Triple to manhandle as he usually does with other opponents. Still, Triple's punch resistance, experience, skills, stamina, and strength, allowed him to hold stage. It was no accident that I didn't predict a KO win for Triple in this fight. I think Jacobs out-boxed Triple too; even though Gennady won. They taxed Triple's absolute rump off with VADA anti-doping before the fight. Like vampires in the night. Probably the same for Jacobs. Still, now Triple has the belt K2 may have more control over those aspects of the promotion; than was afforded in this instance where PBC became involved. That said, (if anyone's been doping) the above-mentioned approach that the VADA vampires took (as fair as it is) does seem to serve the bigger/heavier guy (Jacobs) more. Just as much as it may explain why Jacobs abandoned the IBF second/same-day weigh in. Read into that what you will. It was strange to see Triple prioritize and/or preserve long distance stamina - over capitalizing on his KD of Jacobs in round 4. Jacobs recovered well too. In any event it all now appears to answer why Triple was not really interested in Ward. Just as much as it perhaps also explains why Sanchez and K2 have (despite claims otherwise) not really been looking to fight anyone from light middleweight through to super middleweight. I will be very surprised to see Sanchez, K2, and Triple now look at competent super middleweights as genuine opponents in the future. At least, not those where they can't control the entire promotion, Triple's punch output, and their opponent's weight. Cheers,
Storm. :) :) :)


-KO Digest :

Having a nutritionist who's gone through hell. Prepped Jacobs for the heat of G's KO kitchen.


-Radam G :

This raises Chris's stock big time as a nutrionist. It worked whatever it was.
Ditto! Holla!


-Radam G :

This raises Chris's stock big time as a nutrionist. It worked whatever it was.
Ditto! Holla!


-Kid Blast :

Yep, Jacobs put in a good show; especially considering he would have been (and was) a bit nervous. That may change if they fight again. Jacobs had the size, weight, strength, reach, and skills to neutralize Triple; and his changing stance really worked for him. I forgot that Jacobs can fight both ways, and I didn't expect he would be that heavy/big either. Jacobs looked like a light heavyweight in there and I would not be surprised to hear he was. Triple was a super middleweight. This was one of the few fights where Triple had to absorb body shots and that showed. As did the fact that Jacobs didn't allow Triple to pin him on the ropes. Jacobs was too big/strong for Triple to manhandle as he usually does with other opponents. Still, Triple's punch resistance, experience, skills, stamina, and strength, allowed him to hold stage. It was no accident that I didn't predict a KO win for Triple in this fight. I think Jacobs out-boxed Triple too; even though Gennady won. They taxed Triple's absolute rump off with VADA anti-doping before the fight. Like vampires in the night. Probably the same for Jacobs. Still, now Triple has the belt K2 may have more control over those aspects of the promotion; than was afforded in this instance where PBC became involved. That said, (if anyone's been doping) the above-mentioned approach that the VADA vampires took (as fair as it is) does seem to serve the bigger/heavier guy (Jacobs) more. Just as much as it may explain why Jacobs abandoned the IBF second/same-day weigh in. Read into that what you will. It was strange to see Triple prioritize and/or preserve long distance stamina - over capitalizing on his KD of Jacobs in round 4. Jacobs recovered well too. In any event it all now appears to answer why Triple was not really interested in Ward. Just as much as it perhaps also explains why Sanchez and K2 have (despite claims otherwise) not really been looking to fight anyone from light middleweight through to super middleweight. I will be very surprised to see Sanchez, K2, and Triple now look at competent super middleweights as genuine opponents in the future. At least, not those where they can't control the entire promotion, Triple's punch output, and their opponent's weight. Cheers,
Storm. :) :) :)
He flouted the rules in plain sight and came in as a light heavyweight. They should remove a portion of his purse and give it to GGG, IBF = I Be Felonius


-Kid Blast :

Yep, Jacobs put in a good show; especially considering he would have been (and was) a bit nervous. That may change if they fight again. Jacobs had the size, weight, strength, reach, and skills to neutralize Triple; and his changing stance really worked for him. I forgot that Jacobs can fight both ways, and I didn't expect he would be that heavy/big either. Jacobs looked like a light heavyweight in there and I would not be surprised to hear he was. Triple was a super middleweight. This was one of the few fights where Triple had to absorb body shots and that showed. As did the fact that Jacobs didn't allow Triple to pin him on the ropes. Jacobs was too big/strong for Triple to manhandle as he usually does with other opponents. Still, Triple's punch resistance, experience, skills, stamina, and strength, allowed him to hold stage. It was no accident that I didn't predict a KO win for Triple in this fight. I think Jacobs out-boxed Triple too; even though Gennady won. They taxed Triple's absolute rump off with VADA anti-doping before the fight. Like vampires in the night. Probably the same for Jacobs. Still, now Triple has the belt K2 may have more control over those aspects of the promotion; than was afforded in this instance where PBC became involved. That said, (if anyone's been doping) the above-mentioned approach that the VADA vampires took (as fair as it is) does seem to serve the bigger/heavier guy (Jacobs) more. Just as much as it may explain why Jacobs abandoned the IBF second/same-day weigh in. Read into that what you will. It was strange to see Triple prioritize and/or preserve long distance stamina - over capitalizing on his KD of Jacobs in round 4. Jacobs recovered well too. In any event it all now appears to answer why Triple was not really interested in Ward. Just as much as it perhaps also explains why Sanchez and K2 have (despite claims otherwise) not really been looking to fight anyone from light middleweight through to super middleweight. I will be very surprised to see Sanchez, K2, and Triple now look at competent super middleweights as genuine opponents in the future. At least, not those where they can't control the entire promotion, Triple's punch output, and their opponent's weight. Cheers,
Storm. :) :) :)
He flouted the rules in plain sight and came in as a light heavyweight. They should remove a portion of his purse and give it to GGG, IBF = I Be Felonius


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

Yep, Jacobs put in a good show; especially considering he would have been (and was) a bit nervous. That may change if they fight again. Jacobs had the size, weight, strength, reach, and skills to neutralize Triple; and his changing stance really worked for him. I forgot that Jacobs can fight both ways, and I didn't expect he would be that heavy/big either. Jacobs looked like a light heavyweight in there and I would not be surprised to hear he was. Triple was a super middleweight. This was one of the few fights where Triple had to absorb body shots and that showed. As did the fact that Jacobs didn't allow Triple to pin him on the ropes. Jacobs was too big/strong for Triple to manhandle as he usually does with other opponents. Still, Triple's punch resistance, experience, skills, stamina, and strength, allowed him to hold stage. It was no accident that I didn't predict a KO win for Triple in this fight. I think Jacobs out-boxed Triple too; even though Gennady won. They taxed Triple's absolute rump off with VADA anti-doping before the fight. Like vampires in the night. Probably the same for Jacobs. Still, now Triple has the belt K2 may have more control over those aspects of the promotion; than was afforded in this instance where PBC became involved. That said, (if anyone's been doping) the above-mentioned approach that the VADA vampires took (as fair as it is) does seem to serve the bigger/heavier guy (Jacobs) more. Just as much as it may explain why Jacobs abandoned the IBF second/same-day weigh in. Read into that what you will. It was strange to see Triple prioritize and/or preserve long distance stamina - over capitalizing on his KD of Jacobs in round 4. Jacobs recovered well too. In any event it all now appears to answer why Triple was not really interested in Ward. Just as much as it perhaps also explains why Sanchez and K2 have (despite claims otherwise) not really been looking to fight anyone from light middleweight through to super middleweight. I will be very surprised to see Sanchez, K2, and Triple now look at competent super middleweights as genuine opponents in the future. At least, not those where they can't control the entire promotion, Triple's punch output, and their opponent's weight. Cheers,
Storm. :) :) :)
I agree with your assessment. GGG would have been embarrassed by Ward. That was a smart move by his team to not take that fight. I also would pick DeGale to defeat him.


-stormcentre :

Yes, it won’t surprise me to see/hear Froch renew talks about how beatable Triple is and float the idea (again) of coming out of retirement to fight Triple. Jacob’s post fight comments are getting a bit rich. Sure he did well; and that’s good. But even with Algeiri’s miracle diet and advice, it’s obvious Jacobs still couldn’t make weight within the context of the IBF rules and instead chose to miss the second weigh in and start rehydrating earlier than Triple. Which, of course, gave him quite a noticeable advantage. Who knows whether Jacobs would have recovered from round 4 as well as he did if he had made the second weigh in. Who knows whether Jacobs would have made it to round 12 as well as he did if he had made the second weigh in. Wonder if anyone noticed how the main strategic (boxing-wise) ploy that Jacobs used manifested itself on Triple? It’s significant in the context of all I have been saying about Triple’s style and “power”. At the end of the day Jacobs had a really significant size, weight, and strength advantage; and cheated. And (whilst he gave a reasonably good account of himself) he still lost in several ways; including punches landed and whom was the overall better agressor. That, plus the fact that Triple better steer clear of really competent super middleweights is the probably bottom line. Cheers,
Storm. :) :) :)


-stormcentre :

Yes, it won?t surprise me to see/hear Froch renew talks about how beatable Triple is and float the idea (again) of coming out of retirement to fight Triple. Jacob?s post fight comments are getting a bit rich. Sure he did well; and that?s good. But even with Algeiri?s miracle diet and advice, it?s obvious Jacobs still couldn?t make weight within the context of the IBF rules and instead chose to miss the second weigh in and start rehydrating earlier than Triple. Which, of course, gave him quite a noticeable advantage. Who knows whether Jacobs would have recovered from round 4 as well as he did if he had made the second weigh in. Who knows whether Jacobs would have made it to round 12 as well as he did if he had made the second weigh in. Wonder if anyone noticed how the main strategic (boxing-wise) ploy that Jacobs used manifested itself on Triple? It?s significant in the context of all I have been saying about Triple?s style and ?power?. At the end of the day Jacobs had a really significant size, weight, and strength advantage; and cheated. And (whilst he gave a reasonably good account of himself) he still lost in several ways; including punches landed and whom was the overall better agressor. That, plus the fact that Triple better steer clear of really competent super middleweights is the probably bottom line. Cheers,
Storm. :) :) :)


-amayseng :

No moral victory, but a literal one. Put me in the category with the boxing pundits that believe that Jacobs OUT BOXED GGG. GGG's punch out put was no where near his normal out put because Danny neutralized him. It was a great fight, but Jacobs edged it out.
No he really did not. Jacobs fought well in spots but he mainly threw "stay away" punches. He did land some good shots for sure but ggg hurt him visibly in 3-4 rounds, put him on the floor and won the majority of the rounds with a good thudding jab bouncing Jacobs head back in between other work. Turn the commentators off and watch the fight. Pro scoring Defense. Ring generalship effective aggression Damage. Now who was more consistent with all those? GGG


-amayseng :

I agree with your assessment. GGG would have been embarrassed by Ward. That was a smart move by his team to not take that fight. I also would pick DeGale to defeat him.
GGG was 170 on hbo fight night scales. Dj at least 185. At least. No shame Ward is too big for GGG. Weight classes for a reason. Kovalev was too much for Ward at 175. Clearly beat him. Clearly.


-amayseng :

I agree with your assessment. GGG would have been embarrassed by Ward. That was a smart move by his team to not take that fight. I also would pick DeGale to defeat him.
GGG was 170 on hbo fight night scales. Dj at least 185. At least. No shame Ward is too big for GGG. Weight classes for a reason. Kovalev was too much for Ward at 175. Clearly beat him. Clearly.


-Kid Blast :

amayseng HAS THE BEAT


-wilyty :

ditto !


-wilyty :

amayseng HAS THE BEAT
ditto !


-wilyty :

amayseng HAS THE BEAT
ditto !


-KO Digest :

Jacobs is a very inspiring man. And he was a sentimental favorite vs. GGG. But tinkering with weights like that should not be encouraged.


-amayseng :

Jacobs is a very inspiring man. And he was a sentimental favorite vs. GGG. But tinkering with weights like that should not be encouraged.
Im a dj fan. For years. Love him in and out of the ring. It was close due to close rounds but he lost. He does look bad for contractually agreeing to fight for the ibf and weigh in within it's limits when he knew that he was not going to.


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

Yes, it won?t surprise me to see/hear Froch renew talks about how beatable Triple is and float the idea (again) of coming out of retirement to fight Triple. Jacob?s post fight comments are getting a bit rich. Sure he did well; and that?s good. But even with Algeiri?s miracle diet and advice, it?s obvious Jacobs still couldn?t make weight within the context of the IBF rules and instead chose to miss the second weigh in and start rehydrating earlier than Triple. Which, of course, gave him quite a noticeable advantage. Who knows whether Jacobs would have recovered from round 4 as well as he did if he had made the second weigh in. Who knows whether Jacobs would have made it to round 12 as well as he did if he had made the second weigh in. Wonder if anyone noticed how the main strategic (boxing-wise) ploy that Jacobs used manifested itself on Triple? It?s significant in the context of all I have been saying about Triple?s style and ?power?. At the end of the day Jacobs had a really significant size, weight, and strength advantage; and cheated. And (whilst he gave a reasonably good account of himself) he still lost in several ways; including punches landed and whom was the overall better agressor. That, plus the fact that Triple better steer clear of really competent super middleweights is the probably bottom line. Cheers,
Storm. :) :) :)
I will be brief due to time, but compubox punch stats aren't always accurate and pro fights are judged on "effective" aggression (one of the criterias). GGG's aggression was ineffective for much of the fight and Danny was the "ring general."


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

No he really did not. Jacobs fought well in spots but he mainly threw "stay away" punches. He did land some good shots for sure but ggg hurt him visibly in 3-4 rounds, put him on the floor and won the majority of the rounds with a good thudding jab bouncing Jacobs head back in between other work. Turn the commentators off and watch the fight. Pro scoring Defense. Ring generalship effective aggression Damage. Now who was more consistent with all those? GGG
Many in the boxing community agree with my opinion, but it's just that, an opinion. The UK Sky Sports team had Jacobs winning. Also, social media is full of fans that saw the fight the same way that I did. GGG was outboxed and based on his performance I think Canelo beats him and a fight with Charlo is 50/50 in regards to who would win.


-stormcentre :

I will be brief due to time, but compubox punch stats aren't always accurate and pro fights are judged on "effective" aggression (one of the criterias). GGG's aggression was ineffective for much of the fight and Danny was the "ring general."
Yep, I hear you about the Compubox stats SRD. And whilst they had Triple ahead overall, and are also sometimes a good indicator of punches landed/thrown; I, too, am sometimes reserved about them. However, in this case I am pretty confident that - even without them - Triple landed more punches overall. At least, that's the way I saw it. I think, at times, and not all the time, Jacobs boxed better than Triple; and used the combination of being much bigger/heavier, and a good technique, to nullify him. What Jacobs (technically) did that served him the best. Or, rather, how all Jacob's tactics and advantages manifested themselves to work for him was not probably better served in any other attribute/way, than it was in how Jacobs didn't allow Triple to use his supinated hooks. That was why Jacobs thought Triple's power was overrated. Once that happened Triple was without the ability to easily land the power that debilitates and immobilizes his opponents; and was reduced to more reliance on a medium/long range right cross, than he has been for years. Jacobs - unlike Brook, Murray, Macklin, and all the others - did not stay on the ropes - or close enough for long enough - or in position enough; for Triple to use his supinated hooks. Furthermore, it, supinated hooks, and the possible game-plan (to understanding/beating Triple's supinated hooks) to beat Triple, was all explained in my thread, years ago;


A) Here;


Post #1:
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?12265-One-Significant-Technical-Origin-Of-GGG-s-Power
Post #31:
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?12265-One-Significant-Technical-Origin-Of-GGG-s-Power&p=39939&viewfull=1#post39939
Post #40:
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?12265-One-Significant-Technical-Origin-Of-GGG-s-Power&p=39984&viewfull=1#post39984
Post #65:
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?12265-One-Significant-Technical-Origin-Of-GGG-s-Power&p=40147&viewfull=1#post40147
Post #73:
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?12265-One-Significant-Technical-Origin-Of-GGG-s-Power&p=40193&viewfull=1#post40193
Post #90:
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?12265-One-Significant-Technical-Origin-Of-GGG-s-Power&p=40257&viewfull=1#post40257

[QUOTE=StormCentre; post 90]OK, I have revealed one (but not all of the) significant thing 3G does to KO guys. And I have waited for everyone to put their cards and/or criticism on the table, and (its refreshing to note that) none (really) have. Hopefully, now there is no-one whom doesn't understand the basics of this enough to still say; ?oh that?s nothing?, or ?I knew that?; after the fact. If that is not the case then think about this. Why does Gennady Golovkin reliably do it with such great success then? To the point where it even introduces vulnerabilities and liabilities? There is only 1 main answer/reason; because it reliably outputs a significant transfer of potential power and/or force (read; high power transfer efficiency) in ways that are relatively easy to modulate and adjust (in the areas that matter) to. . . . . . . . .And because of the absence of the kinds of blistering speeds normally associated with KO punches; it all appears very deceptive and superhuman. But it is not. All it is, is force, mass, acceleration, kinetic energy, momentum, physics, physiology and a well practiced boxing technique.And this is the origin of one significant technique of Gennady Golovkin's power.
The next question is how do you develop a game plan to beat it?

[/QUOTE]


B) And here;
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?19995-An-Algorithm-For-A-Real-Time-Boxing-Prediction-Machine-Or-Perhaps-Just-Something-Meaningless-To-Just-Address-The-Elusiveness-Of-Performances-Within-Boxing-Too-Hard-%96-Tell-Me-Why&highlight=supinated

But yes, to some extent (you're right, as) Danny was the ring general. Although, unfortunately for Jacobs and despite all the advantages he had, he was not the ring general for long enough for it to matter on the scorecards. Perhaps, no surprises then that there was no rematch clause. Cheers,
Storm. :) :)


-amayseng :

Many in the boxing community agree with my opinion, but it's just that, an opinion. The UK Sky Sports team had Jacobs winning. Also, social media is full of fans that saw the fight the same way that I did. GGG was outboxed and based on his performance I think Canelo beats him and a fight with Charlo is 50/50 in regards to who would win.
Outboxed? Maybe in a few spots he controlled some distance and space and landed some really good shots. Though he never outboxed GGG over the majority of 12 rounds. And he did not control the ring either. Moving away and staying away out of harm is not ring generalship. Floyd moved away but he set traps, made guys miss and made them pay consistently to win rounds and decisions. I think u are biased using a scoring curve. Because a guy fought well in spots, kept good part of the time, didnt get knocked out as most expected does not allow him more credit than he earns. Ggg landed more punches in 9 of 12 rounds. He visably hurt Jacobs in numerous rounds and knocked him down in another. He landed a thudding hard jab all fight controlling the pace and ring generalship u think dj controlled. Dj was 20 lbs heavier yet did not hurt ggg once and was on the move when he got hit and hurt. Dj is a great boxer and better human, to overcome cancer as he has and the things he does outsidethe ring speaks volumes of his heart and soul. Tho he did come up short in a very close fight. Id like to see ggg beat bjs and then if canelo is a pain in the *** have a ggg vs dj rematch.


-amayseng :

Outboxed? Maybe in a few spots he controlled some distance and space and landed some really good shots. Though he never outboxed GGG over the majority of 12 rounds. And he did not control the ring either. Moving away and staying away out of harm is not ring generalship. Floyd moved away but he set traps, made guys miss and made them pay consistently to win rounds and decisions. I think u are biased using a scoring curve. Because a guy fought well in spots, kept good part of the time, didnt get knocked out as most expected does not allow him more credit than he earns. Ggg landed more punches in 9 of 12 rounds. He visably hurt Jacobs in numerous rounds and knocked him down in another. He landed a thudding hard jab all fight controlling the pace and ring generalship u think dj controlled. Dj was 20 lbs heavier yet did not hurt ggg once and was on the move when he got hit and hurt. Dj is a great boxer and better human, to overcome cancer as he has and the things he does outsidethe ring speaks volumes of his heart and soul. Tho he did come up short in a very close fight. Id like to see ggg beat bjs and then if canelo is a pain in the *** have a ggg vs dj rematch.
Btw Canelo is not beating GGG or DJ or possiby DL who skipped the ibf weigh in and is a 185lb mw on fight night. Canelo has NO footwork, terrible foot speed.and agility, is short and has a poor reach. He knocks out past prime fighters or smaller guys. Floyd boxed his ears damn near off. And had enough power to buzzhim and stop him in his tracks, make him reset and even keep him on the ropes. What do u think ggg and dj do to him?


-deepwater2 :

Yep, I hear you about the Compubox stats SRD. And whilst they had Triple ahead overall, and are also sometimes a good indicator of punches landed/thrown; I, too, am sometimes reserved about them. However, in this case I am pretty confident that - even without them - Triple landed more punches overall. At least, that's the way I saw it. I think, at times, and not all the time, Jacobs boxed better than Triple; and used the combination of being much bigger/heavier, and a good technique, to nullify him. What Jacobs (technically) did that served him the best. Or, rather, how all Jacob's tactics and advantages manifested themselves to work for him was not probably better served in any other attribute/way, than it was in how Jacobs didn't allow Triple to use his supinated hooks. That was why Jacobs thought Triple's power was overrated. Once that happened Triple was without the ability to easily land the power that debilitates and immobilizes his opponents; and was reduced to more reliance on a medium/long range right cross, than he has been for years. Jacobs - unlike Brook, Murray, Macklin, and all the others - did not stay on the ropes - or close enough for long enough - or in position enough; for Triple to use his supinated hooks. Furthermore, it, supinated hooks, and the possible game-plan (to understanding/beating Triple's supinated hooks) to beat Triple, was all explained in my thread, years ago;


A) Here;


Post #1:
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?12265-One-Significant-Technical-Origin-Of-GGG-s-Power
Post #31:
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?12265-One-Significant-Technical-Origin-Of-GGG-s-Power&p=39939&viewfull=1#post39939
Post #40:
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?12265-One-Significant-Technical-Origin-Of-GGG-s-Power&p=39984&viewfull=1#post39984
Post #65:
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?12265-One-Significant-Technical-Origin-Of-GGG-s-Power&p=40147&viewfull=1#post40147
Post #73:
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?12265-One-Significant-Technical-Origin-Of-GGG-s-Power&p=40193&viewfull=1#post40193
Post #90:
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?12265-One-Significant-Technical-Origin-Of-GGG-s-Power&p=40257&viewfull=1#post40257




B) And here;
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?19995-An-Algorithm-For-A-Real-Time-Boxing-Prediction-Machine-Or-Perhaps-Just-Something-Meaningless-To-Just-Address-The-Elusiveness-Of-Performances-Within-Boxing-Too-Hard-%96-Tell-Me-Why&highlight=supinated

But yes, to some extent (you're right, as) Danny was the ring general. Although, unfortunately for Jacobs and despite all the advantages he had, he was not the ring general for long enough for it to matter on the scorecards. Perhaps, no surprises then that there was no rematch clause. Cheers,
Storm. :) :)
DJ , gambled,broke the rule, and came in as a cruiser. He did what he needed to do I suppose. Desperate times call for desperate measures I guess. If he didn't cheat the scale he would have been finished off. GGG uses the Fitzsimmons shift to get the power to crush these guys.


-KO Digest :

Did Golovkin reinvent Ketchell's Triple Shift one better?


-stormcentre :

Triple does diagonally punch (or Fitzsimmons shift) sometimes. He did it to Jacobs and I think that was involved in the KD, or at least the start of it. But it's not usually the main cause of the damage he does and knockouts he earns; in previous fights. That usually happens when guys are on the ropes and Triple can hit them with the supinated punches I describe in above/linked posts. As they come in at weird angles, land around the temple/ribs, and arrive with heavily modulated (from the bicep) "force". Overall, I agree with Amayseng's view (post #36) of the Triple V Jacobs fights. Jacobs may have been the ring general in spurts, but not for long enough. I also agree with SRD comments . .

""DJ , gambled,broke the rule, and came in as a cruiser. He did what he needed to do I suppose. Desperate times call for desperate measures I guess. If he didn't cheat the scale he would have been finished off.""

Within his post #38. Triple deserves credit for beating a guy that flouted the IBF rules as much, and came in as heavy, as Jacobs did. There was a really significant (more than just one weight division) weight, strength, and size difference between them. Cheers,
Storm. :) :)


-Radam G :

I will be brief due to time, but compubox punch stats aren't always accurate and pro fights are judged on "effective" aggression (one of the criterias). GGG's aggression was ineffective for much of the fight and Danny was the "ring general."
Ditto! Holla!


-amayseng :

As a physical therapist.... Supination---radius/ulna up Pronation---radius/ulna down


-amayseng :

As a physical therapist.... Supination---radius/ulna up (palm) Pronation---radius/ulna down (palm)


-SuperLight :

As a physical therapist.... Supination---radius/ulna up (palm) Pronation---radius/ulna down (palm)
And as I understand it, Stormcentre's referring to hooks with the vertical fist i.e. turned out or supinated relative to the more common horizontal-fisted or "prone" version. Palm up only happens on an uppercut or rip, right?


-SuperLight :

As a physical therapist.... Supination---radius/ulna up (palm) Pronation---radius/ulna down (palm)
And as I understand it, Stormcentre's referring to hooks with the vertical fist i.e. turned out or supinated relative to the more common horizontal-fisted or "prone" version. Palm up only happens on an uppercut or rip, right?


-amayseng :

And as I understand it, Stormcentre's referring to hooks with the vertical fist i.e. turned out or supinated relative to the more common horizontal-fisted or "prone" version. Palm up only happens on an uppercut or rip, right?
Palm up is supination. Palm down is pronation. Whether you are making a fist or not it does not change the palm/radius/ulna. Whether throwing punches or just ranging through these motions they are identified from the anatomy of the palm/radius/ulna to the floor or sky. (hence facing down or up)