The Danny Green – Anthony Mundine Rematch: Genuine or Gimmick?

THE GREEN-MUNDINE REMATCH. After a draw with Azumah Nelson in 1991 in Las Vegas, Nevada, the great Jeff Fenech came back a year later only to be stopped by the legendary “Professor.” Then after a 12-year hiatus, Jeff came back from retirement in 2006 to defeat Nelson by MD and even up the score at 1-1-1. Both have since been inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame.

This time its Australian archrivals Danny Green (35-5) and Anthony “The Man” Mundine (47-7) in a rematch though both men have now faded into their early 40s and both are a shell of what they were when they met in 2006.

South Australia will host the long talked-about match between Mundine and Green. Sport and Tourism Minister Leon Bignell said the bout would happen on February 3 at Adelaide Oval. Perth, Sydney or Melbourne seemed like more logical locations, but logic has no role in boxing.

At first blush it would seem reasonable to frame this fight as a huge happening the likes of which have not been seen Down Under since Nelson-Fenech II, but upon reflection that would be folly since many see it as a sad joke or even as a morbid curiosity.

Phil Litton of the Sydney Morning Herald had this quick reaction:

“Ugh. It’s already started. Even for boxing, even for a politician [Bignell], describing the latest version of Anthony Mundine against Danny Green as the ‘biggest fight in Australian history’ is taking one almighty tinkle on the toilet of credibility.”

The two fought in 2006 in Sidney’s Allianz Stadium before 30,000 rabid fans and Mundine won on points. The rematch could draw almost 40,000 less rabid but more curious boxing fans to see if Danny can even up the score much like Fenech did against Nelson.

The Early Buzz

As for the early buzz, the quotes— mostly con– have been coming in at a fast and furious rate suggesting that hype will play a major role in selling tickers to this rematch.

 “If Danny Green hits him with a very clean punch, Anthony could face a serious health problem …. believe that the fight shouldn’t be allowed to go ahead. Forget the money.” Jeff Fenech

“…while a lot of people will look at this as a gimmick fight, when you throw in the weight and the fact that power is the last thing to go — and Danny’s got plenty — there is a real risk that Anthony could get hurt and hurt quite badly in this fight.”— Cody Kaye (Fox Sports)

 “It would be a sad money grabbing spectacle at best and a serious danger to both men’s health at worse.”– Brendan Bradford (syndicated sportswriter)

“He’s got the power. He’s probably going to be 10 kilograms heavier than me. But speed beats power.” — Anthony Mundine

“Australians all let us rejoice, cos this bloke’s about to get a proper tune-up.” — Danny Green

Based on past showings– that have been sparse and against underwhelming opposition– Mundine clearly appears to be a not-so-live underdog, but he continues to be outspoken and insulting towards Green. Mundine said of the 43-year-old Green during an interview with radio station KISS-FM: “He built his name off me, no one would have known who he was if it wasn’t for me, I put him on the map, he’d be fighting RSL clubs if it wasn’t for me.”

Green responded that “’He [Mundine] doesn’t like me, I don’t like him and I don’t like some of the s*** that he says or some of the s*** that he stands for.’ I’ll do it tomorrow if he wants to do it, I’ll do it now I’m warmed up, [and] somebody throw him some gloves…’He’s going to get smoked, smoked like a cigar. “

Green, who has been fighting as a cruiserweight, may have a point since he will need to lose just four kilograms for the match (a shade under nine pounds) while Mundine, a super-welterweight) will have to gain close to ten kilograms. Fox Sports boxing expert Cody Kaye described Mundine’s decision to accept the weight as virtual insanity. “It’s a lot harder for Anthony to put on that weight and for it to translate to genuine muscle and genuine power,” Kaye told Australia’s Fox Sports News 500.

Interestingly, both men during their respective careers beat legends that were well past their prime. Green ambushed Roy Jones Jr. early and stopped him in one round in 2009, while Mundine stopped a badly worn Sugar Shane Mosley in 2013 but was then clubbed all over the ring by Joshua Clottey in 2014.

Recent Performances

Stoppage losses to Antonio Tarver and Krzystof Wlodarczyk in 2011 put a halt to Danny Green’s 10-fight win streak that began in 2006 shortly after his loss to Mundine in their first tussle. But the Green Machine has won his last four, defeating Danny Santiago (31-5-1) Shane Cameron (29-2), Argentina’s Roberto Filiciano Bolonti (36-3), and most recently Kane Watts (18-2) this past August for the vacant Australia cruiserweight title.

As for “The Man”, his last fight against brash Charles “The Future” Hatley (25-1-1 coming in) in November of 2015 was essentially over after the second round when Mundine shockingly hit the canvas three times and barely managed to survive the round. He took brutal punishment and while he showed great heart just to survive, the slaughter should have been stopped in that round. Here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAZlOoiVu28

Many fans called for Anthony to retire after that beat down, and any thoughts of a final monster payday went down the drain except for the slim hope of a rematch with Green. However, since Mundine has made a small fortune through boxing, maybe something else is driving him.

Green has retired before, saying—with tears streaming down– no amount of money could tempt him to reverse a decision to quit made after having an early-morning Easter Sunday “epiphany.” “Mundine’s manager Khoder Nasser even had this to say at the time: “Danny is a gentleman who was part of the greatest fight in Australian history, he fought back from adversity to become a world champion again and his retirement is a massive loss to boxing.”

The retirement was short-lived. Hopefully, both will retire for good after this one.

Editor’s Note: This article first ran on Nov. 22, 2016.

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Ted Sares is one of the world’s oldest active power lifters and holds several records. He enjoys writing about boxing and is a member of Ring 4’s Boxing Hall of Fame.

COMMENTS

-larueboenig :

THE GREEN-MUNDINE REMATCH. After a draw with Azumah Nelson in 1991 in Las Vegas, Nevada, the great Jeff Fenech came back a year later only to be stopped by the legendary ?Professor.? Then after a 12-year hiatus, Jeff came back from retirement in 2006 to defeat Nelson by MD and even up the score at 1-1-1. Both have since been inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame. This time its Australian archrivals Danny Green (35-5) and Anthony ?The Man? Mundine (47-7) in a rematch though both men have now faded into their early 40s and both are a shell of what they were when they met in 2006. South Australia will host the long talked-about match between Mundine and Green. Sport and Tourism Minister Leon Bignell said the bout would happen on February 3 at Adelaide Oval. Perth, Sydney or Melbourne seemed like more logical locations, but logic has no role in boxing. At first blush it would seem reasonable to frame this fight as a huge happening the likes of which have not been seen Down Under since Nelson-Fenech II, but upon reflection that would be folly since many see it as a sad joke or even as a morbid curiosity. Phil Litton of the Sydney Morning Herald had this quick reaction: ?Ugh. It?s already started. Even for boxing, even for a politician [Bignell], describing [url=http://www.smh.com.au/sport/boxing/anthony-mundine-and-danny-green-fight-set-for-adelaide-oval-20161024-gs9qh7.html]the latest version of Anthony Mundine against Danny Green as the ?biggest fight in Australian history? is taking one almighty tinkle on the toilet of credibility.? The two fought in 2006 in Sidney?s Allianz Stadium before 30,000 rabid fans and Mundine won on points. The rematch could draw almost 40,000 less rabid but more curious boxing fans to see if Danny can even up the score much like Fenech did against Nelson. The Early Buzz As for the early buzz, the quotes? mostly con-- have been coming in at a fast and furious rate suggesting that hype will play a major role in selling tickers to this rematch. *?If Danny Green hits him with a very clean punch, Anthony could face a serious health problem .... believe that the fight shouldn?t be allowed to go ahead. Forget the money." Jeff Fenech ??while a lot of people will look at this as a gimmick fight, when you throw in the weight and the fact that power is the last thing to go ? and Danny?s got plenty ? there is a real risk that Anthony could get hurt and hurt quite badly in this fight.?? Cody Kaye (Fox Sports) *?It would be a sad money grabbing spectacle at best and a serious danger to both men?s health at worse.?-- Brendan Bradford (syndicated sportswriter) "He?s got the power. He?s probably going to be 10 kilograms heavier than me. But speed beats power.? -- Anthony Mundine ?Australians all let us rejoice, cos this bloke?s about to get a proper tune-up." -- Danny Green Based on past showings-- that have been sparse and against underwhelming opposition-- Mundine clearly appears to be a not-so-live underdog, but he continues to be outspoken and insulting towards Green. Mundine said of the 43-year-old Green during an interview with radio station KISS-FM: ?He built his name off me, no one would have known who he was if it wasn?t for me,*I put him on the map, he?d be fighting RSL clubs if it wasn?t for me.? Green responded that ??He [Mundine] doesn?t like me, I don?t like him and I don?t like some of the s*** that he says or some of the s*** that he stands for.? I?ll do it tomorrow if he wants to do it, I?ll do it now I?m warmed up, [and] somebody throw him some gloves??He?s going to get smoked, smoked like a cigar. ? Green, who has been fighting as a cruiserweight, may have a point since he will need to lose just four kilograms for the match (a shade under nine pounds) while Mundine, a super-welterweight) will have to gain close to ten kilograms.*Fox Sports boxing expert Cody Kaye described Mundine?s decision to accept the weight as virtual insanity. ?It?s a lot harder for Anthony to put on that weight and for it to translate to genuine muscle and genuine power,? Kaye told Australia?s Fox Sports News 500. Interestingly, both men during their respective careers beat legends that were well past their prime. Green ambushed Roy Jones Jr. early and stopped him in one round in 2009, while Mundine stopped a badly worn Sugar Shane Mosley in 2013 but was then clubbed all over the ring by Joshua Clottey in 2014. Recent Performances Stoppage losses to Antonio Tarver and Krzystof Wlodarczyk in 2011 put a halt to Danny Green?s 10-fight win streak that began in 2006 shortly after his loss to Mundine in their first tussle. But the Green Machine has won his last four, defeating Danny Santiago (31-5-1) Shane Cameron (29-2), Argentina?s Roberto Filiciano Bolonti (36-3), and most recently Kane Watts (18-2) this past August for the vacant Australia cruiserweight title. As for ?The Man?, his last fight against brash Charles ?The Future? Hatley (25-1-1 coming in) in November of 2015 was essentially over after the second round when Mundine shockingly hit the canvas three times and barely managed to survive the round.*He took brutal punishment and while he showed great heart just to survive, the slaughter should have been stopped in that round. Here it is: [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAZlOoiVu28]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAZlOoiVu28 Many fans called for Anthony to retire after that beat down, and any thoughts of a final monster payday went down the drain except for the slim hope of a rematch with Green. However, since Mundine has made a small fortune through boxing, maybe something else is driving him. Green has retired before, saying?with tears streaming down-- no amount of money could tempt him to reverse a decision to quit made after an early-morning Easter Sunday "epiphany.? ?Mundine?s manager Khoder Nasser even had this to say at the time: "Danny is a gentleman who was part of the greatest fight in Australian history, he fought back from adversity to become a world champion again and his retirement is a massive loss to boxing.? The retirement was short-lived. Hopefully, both will retire for good after this one. Check out more boxing news on video at [url=http://theboxingchannel.tv]The Boxing Channel.   Ted Sares is one of the world?s oldest active power lifters and holds several records. He enjoys writing about boxing and is a member of Ring 4?s Boxing Hall of Fame.
I love your writing but I can?t seem to get on to past anymore.


-Kid Blast :

Be patient, please. We are working on making it easier. Thanks for the prop.


-SuperLight :

Please no. I think we had enough of Mundine when he was in his prime.


-stormcentre :

Nicely written post/thread Ted. But to answer the question the title asks . . . The fight (and particularly Green, although Chock sometimes is not far off too) is pretty much a gimmick.
Storm. :) :) :)


-dollar bond :

Ted, how do you know so much about these two guys?


-Joe Bruno :

THE GREEN-MUNDINE REMATCH. After a draw with Azumah Nelson in 1991 in Las Vegas, Nevada, the great Jeff Fenech came back a year later only to be stopped by the legendary ?Professor.? Then after a 12-year hiatus, Jeff came back from retirement in 2006 to defeat Nelson by MD and even up the score at 1-1-1. Both have since been inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame. This time its Australian archrivals Danny Green (35-5) and Anthony ?The Man? Mundine (47-7) in a rematch though both men have now faded into their early 40s and both are a shell of what they were when they met in 2006. South Australia will host the long talked-about match between Mundine and Green. Sport and Tourism Minister Leon Bignell said the bout would happen on February 3 at Adelaide Oval. Perth, Sydney or Melbourne seemed like more logical locations, but logic has no role in boxing. At first blush it would seem reasonable to frame this fight as a huge happening the likes of which have not been seen Down Under since Nelson-Fenech II, but upon reflection that would be folly since many see it as a sad joke or even as a morbid curiosity. Phil Litton of the Sydney Morning Herald had this quick reaction: ?Ugh. It?s already started. Even for boxing, even for a politician [Bignell], describing [url=http://www.smh.com.au/sport/boxing/anthony-mundine-and-danny-green-fight-set-for-adelaide-oval-20161024-gs9qh7.html]the latest version of Anthony Mundine against Danny Green as the ?biggest fight in Australian history? is taking one almighty tinkle on the toilet of credibility.? The two fought in 2006 in Sidney?s Allianz Stadium before 30,000 rabid fans and Mundine won on points. The rematch could draw almost 40,000 less rabid but more curious boxing fans to see if Danny can even up the score much like Fenech did against Nelson. The Early Buzz As for the early buzz, the quotes? mostly con-- have been coming in at a fast and furious rate suggesting that hype will play a major role in selling tickers to this rematch. *?If Danny Green hits him with a very clean punch, Anthony could face a serious health problem .... believe that the fight shouldn?t be allowed to go ahead. Forget the money." Jeff Fenech ??while a lot of people will look at this as a gimmick fight, when you throw in the weight and the fact that power is the last thing to go ? and Danny?s got plenty ? there is a real risk that Anthony could get hurt and hurt quite badly in this fight.?? Cody Kaye (Fox Sports) *?It would be a sad money grabbing spectacle at best and a serious danger to both men?s health at worse.?-- Brendan Bradford (syndicated sportswriter) "He?s got the power. He?s probably going to be 10 kilograms heavier than me. But speed beats power.? -- Anthony Mundine ?Australians all let us rejoice, cos this bloke?s about to get a proper tune-up." -- Danny Green Based on past showings-- that have been sparse and against underwhelming opposition-- Mundine clearly appears to be a not-so-live underdog, but he continues to be outspoken and insulting towards Green. Mundine said of the 43-year-old Green during an interview with radio station KISS-FM: ?He built his name off me, no one would have known who he was if it wasn?t for me,*I put him on the map, he?d be fighting RSL clubs if it wasn?t for me.? Green responded that ??He [Mundine] doesn?t like me, I don?t like him and I don?t like some of the s*** that he says or some of the s*** that he stands for.? I?ll do it tomorrow if he wants to do it, I?ll do it now I?m warmed up, [and] somebody throw him some gloves??He?s going to get smoked, smoked like a cigar. ? Green, who has been fighting as a cruiserweight, may have a point since he will need to lose just four kilograms for the match (a shade under nine pounds) while Mundine, a super-welterweight) will have to gain close to ten kilograms.*Fox Sports boxing expert Cody Kaye described Mundine?s decision to accept the weight as virtual insanity. ?It?s a lot harder for Anthony to put on that weight and for it to translate to genuine muscle and genuine power,? Kaye told Australia?s Fox Sports News 500. Interestingly, both men during their respective careers beat legends that were well past their prime. Green ambushed Roy Jones Jr. early and stopped him in one round in 2009, while Mundine stopped a badly worn Sugar Shane Mosley in 2013 but was then clubbed all over the ring by Joshua Clottey in 2014. Recent Performances Stoppage losses to Antonio Tarver and Krzystof Wlodarczyk in 2011 put a halt to Danny Green?s 10-fight win streak that began in 2006 shortly after his loss to Mundine in their first tussle. But the Green Machine has won his last four, defeating Danny Santiago (31-5-1) Shane Cameron (29-2), Argentina?s Roberto Filiciano Bolonti (36-3), and most recently Kane Watts (18-2) this past August for the vacant Australia cruiserweight title. As for ?The Man?, his last fight against brash Charles ?The Future? Hatley (25-1-1 coming in) in November of 2015 was essentially over after the second round when Mundine shockingly hit the canvas three times and barely managed to survive the round.*He took brutal punishment and while he showed great heart just to survive, the slaughter should have been stopped in that round. Here it is: [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAZlOoiVu28]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAZlOoiVu28 Many fans called for Anthony to retire after that beat down, and any thoughts of a final monster payday went down the drain except for the slim hope of a rematch with Green. However, since Mundine has made a small fortune through boxing, maybe something else is driving him. Green has retired before, saying?with tears streaming down-- no amount of money could tempt him to reverse a decision to quit made after an early-morning Easter Sunday "epiphany.? ?Mundine?s manager Khoder Nasser even had this to say at the time: "Danny is a gentleman who was part of the greatest fight in Australian history, he fought back from adversity to become a world champion again and his retirement is a massive loss to boxing.? The retirement was short-lived. Hopefully, both will retire for good after this one. Check out more boxing news on video at [url=http://theboxingchannel.tv]The Boxing Channel.   Ted Sares is one of the world?s oldest active power lifters and holds several records. He enjoys writing about boxing and is a member of Ring 4?s Boxing Hall of Fame.
No way this fight should happen. And anyone buying a ticket is legitimizing folly and maybe an execution. Joe Bruno - Former VP of the Boxing Writers Association and the International Boxing Writers Association


-Kid Blast :

Nicely written post/thread Ted. But to answer the question the title asks . . . The fight (and particularly Green, although Chock sometimes is not far off too) is pretty much a gimmick.
Storm. :) :) :)
Yes, maybe so, but Danny will KO Chock with his first flush shot because Danny can still hit like a mule but Mundine no longer has any chin or speed (which was his best asset). Green by clean KO early. :D


-Kid Blast :

No way this fight should happen. And anyone buying a ticket is legitimizing folly and maybe an execution. Joe Bruno - Former VP of the Boxing Writers Association and the International Boxing Writers Association
Thanks, right as usual. By the way. I loved your recent book on NYC crime slime.


-Kid Blast :

Please no. I think we had enough of Mundine when he was in his prime.
Chock is a very hateful guy, that is, easy to hate because he frequently engages his mouth before his brain, but he has had his big moments in the ring,


-Kid Blast :

bad article on the fight:
->https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/28278615/mundine-rematch-good-for-boxing-green/#page1


-JohnnyTango :

Be patient, please. We are working on making it easier. Thanks for the prop.
Nice piece, Ted. You have an incredible memory! It made for a great read. Re: This site: FYI: I've been on various online sites (from A to Z, including porn) for more than 10-years. TSS is the most user unfriendly site I've ever been on. Since you've been writing on this site, I've had nothing but problems.


-Kid Blast :

Nice piece, Ted. You have an incredible memory! It made for a great read. Re: This site: FYI: I've been on various online sites (from A to Z, including porn) for more than 10-years. TSS is the most user unfriendly site I've ever been on. Since you've been writing on this site, I've had nothing but problems.
I realize there have been issues but the spammers have been attacking like Walking Dead so TSS had to do something to combat them. Please be patient. I will
write extra superb articles to keep and/or retain your loyalty. Already lost Tex Hassler. And Vlad the Serb can't figure it out. For what it's worth, ESB has just experienced a
major issue and many of its regulars (including me) cannot post. And they can't figure out the problem. I long ago gave up on Bad Left Hook because it has some "cookie issues" whatever the hell they are. Boxing.com is easy to use but the articles are mostly historic, boring and/or stale. Once in a great while, a fire fight erupts and that can be fun. Saddo is ok in the forum. It is mostly UK. Most porn sites carry a virus--no pun intended. Facebook is also a good place to engage in conversations but I prefer boxing-sites.
Really, I think once you get used to TSS, it's as good as any.


-JohnnyTango :

[QUOTE=Kid Blast;108140]I realize there have been issues but the spammers have been attacking like Walking Dead so TSS had to do something to combat them. Please be patient. I will
write extra superb articles to keep and/or retain your loyalty. Already lost Tex Hassler. And Vlad the Serb can't figure it out. Most porn sites carry a virus--no pun intended. Ha!


-JohnnyTango :

My opinion re TSS has absolutely nothing to do with your articles, Ted. Whether I agree or disagree, your writing is always entertaining, sometimes (many times) controversial, but always well res
My opinion re TSS has absolutely nothing to do with your articles, Ted. Whether I agree or disagree, your writing is always entertaining, sometimes (many times) controversial, but always well researched.


-stormcentre :

Yes, maybe so, but Danny will KO Chock with his first flush shot because Danny can still hit like a mule but Mundine no longer has any chin or speed (which was his best asset). Green by clean KO early. :D
I am not (here within this post) saying who will win. But your post sounds like what 90% of Aussies claimed when they first fought. I made a few thousand dollars on the first fight because (but not limited to) the following considerations;


A) Green can't handle speed, he has poor footwork, he is over-reliant on his right hand, he's easily dragged into a war, he can't adapt, and he has almost zero defence. Green used to hit like a mule and he also has a good jab and right hand. His 10 or 12 round durability was questionable 5 years ago. Rarely will Green line up with a fully fledged light heavyweight that possesses the attributes Mundine does.
B) Mundine is a far better boxer, he has flogged Green before, probably fought the better (past/recent) opponents, and Chock possesses many of the attributes that Green is troubled with.

Both fighters cherry pick and are almost as bad as each other in that and other respects; including talking rubbish. I could (very easily) list just as many - probably more - fraudulent and/or concerning things Green has done (in relation to cherry picking and/or boxing) as Chock. For (a very brief) example . . .


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The 2011 Krzysztof Wlodarczyk fight in Perth - Green seemingly jumped at it; at a time that Wlodarczyk was reported to have recently attempted to overdose as a result of a relationship breakdown.
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Wlodarczyk KO'd Green in front of his home town crowd. Green's matchmaking had strayed too far outside the norm and in doing so it had underestimated Wlodarczyk's strength, durability, and determination.
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The Wlodarczyk fight occurred straight after a very faded Tarver (who is probably as close as Green ever got within his professional career to a competent light heavyweight and/or cruiserweight that possesses some speed, good footwork, ring savvy, durability, and defence) blew Green away and really, really busted him up during 90% of the rounds that Green competed in. At the time (and probably one of the reasons why) the Tarver V Green fight was made, it seemed Antonio was washed up and experiencing personal/financial problems. As a testament to this the Tarver V Green fight was the first time Tarver fought at cruiserweight. In 2011 at Sydney, Australia, Tarver beat Green; as Green quit on his stool in the 9th or 10th round.
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After Tarver, it appeared that Green (really) made sure to never fight guys (especially those in his own weight) that had the above-mentioned attributes that Tarver and Chock possess; preferring less experienced, stronger and/or slower fighters - so that Danny's best attributes could come into play.
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The Paul Briggs fight in 2010 exhibited all the hallmarks of a set up, and it was disgraceful. Check the YouTube video of Briggs taking an (obvious) dive; at a time that Green (and everybody) knew Paul was washed up, completely unfit and unprepared, in need of money, and not in a good place.
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How Green was marketed after the Olympics (Lebsiak stopped him) and what was said/claimed was interesting indeed.

The list goes on. Now to your prediction. It's not entirely unreasonable, but . . . . Have a look at;


A) Whom Green last fought for an indication as to where he feels his skills currently are; Kane Watts.
B) The weight Mundine is being asked to move up to (after hip surgery and) for this fight.

If Green doesn't KO Chock it will be amazing. As, (with almost all Green's fights) the fight has been put together with the intention of heavily stacking the cards in Green's favor. Cheers,
Storm. :) :) :)


-Kid Blast :

Storm, it's amazing and inexplicable that an otherwise very smart and objective person like you seems to be sluuuurping up to Chock. Look at his last fight. He was slaughtered in the second round but managed to somehow survive. Believe me, if Charles ?The Future? Hatley could do this to him, can you imagine what Green whom you admit hits like a mule will do to him. See for yourself.
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAZlOoiVu28 Both are in it for the money and the entire thing might be a scam/sham, but I sense a quick kill, grab the money, and run. Green by quick kill. Your move.


-stormcentre :

As I said in my post #16 . . .

""I am not (here within this post) saying who will win"."

I don't care who wins, as the first fight was the genuine article. Furthermore, I probably know both fighters immeasurably better than you Ted. But, that aside, if you can point to what within post #16 that I wrote was incorrect (betcha cant do that :) ), then I would be happy to address it and/or your funny slurping comment that (incorrectly) suggests bias towards Chock. Finally, I know Chock lost to Hatley. But to some extent that loss both, is partly explained and also plays into what I have already said (about Green's matchmaking) within post #16. So, (even if we disregard the absence of discussion on how much weight Chock must move up for the Green fight) it (still) supports what I was saying. Which was . . . . .

""If Green doesn't KO Chock it will be amazing. As, (with almost all Green's fights) the fight has been put together with the intention of heavily stacking the cards in Green's favor"."

Cheers,
Storm. :) :) :)


-Kid Blast :

You have another bias against Green. His fights have not been stacked in his favor. Beating Shane Cameron had almost killed Monte Barret was decent to say the least.Roberto Feliciano Bolonti was 36-2 going in and was a top-tier opponent having met Bhramer and Bellew. Watts was not all that bad though he was not all that good either. Wlodarczyk is a monster but Tarver--never easy as long as he isn't juicing-- was a shocker. BJ Flores was undefeated when Danny beat him. The Briggs fight is a national Austrian disgrace. Roy Jones had just beat Lacy and Sheika and was the favorite going in. Otis Griffin was no slouch at 18-1 coming in, Fighting Markus Beyer twice is hardly what I would call having it easy. Same with Eric Luca In short, Danny has fought at a reasonably high level of opposition.
Choc was slaughtered by the Turtle, Clottey and lost to Geale and was shocked by Garth Wood--who? Garth Wood. Sergey Rabchenko was recently exposed by Tony Harrison. Common opponent Manny Siaca was waxed by Green but beat Mundine in 2004. Choc had a good run between 2005 and 2010 but his legs are now gone and his speed afoot was his biggest asset in the past. Green will close off the ring in a plodding sort of manner and stun Mundine with something after which he will destroy him with a patented Green flurry of thunder. He will not mess around. I do think we are closer to agreement than we are disagreement on this issue. It's just that your bias towards Danny needs some balance. As for knowing these two better than I do, so what? I know scores of fighters better than you do, but that doesn't give me any edge on how they will do in a particular fight. When you say something like that, you are trying to establish superior credentials but that won't impress me. I'll concede the point but so what.? I am always comfortable with what I write because it is not tainted by the prism of nationalist fervor. LOL BTW, this article has made its way Down Under but just minimal feedback thus far.
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNe5npkid-s


-larueboenig :

THE GREEN-MUNDINE REMATCH. After a draw with Azumah Nelson in 1991 in Las Vegas, Nevada, the great Jeff Fenech came back a year later only to be stopped by the legendary ?Professor.? Then after a 12-year hiatus, Jeff came back from retirement in 2006 to defeat Nelson by MD and even up the score at 1-1-1. Both have since been inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame. This time its Australian archrivals Danny Green (35-5) and Anthony ?The Man? Mundine (47-7) in a rematch though both men have now faded into their early 40s and both are a shell of what they were when they met in 2006. South Australia will host the long talked-about match between Mundine and Green. Sport and Tourism Minister Leon Bignell said the bout would happen on February 3 at Adelaide Oval. Perth, Sydney or Melbourne seemed like more logical locations, but logic has no role in boxing. At first blush it would seem reasonable to frame this fight as a huge happening the likes of which have not been seen Down Under since Nelson-Fenech II, but upon reflection that would be folly since many see it as a sad joke or even as a morbid curiosity. Phil Litton of the Sydney Morning Herald had this quick reaction: ?Ugh. It?s already started. Even for boxing, even for a politician [Bignell], describing [url=http://www.smh.com.au/sport/boxing/anthony-mundine-and-danny-green-fight-set-for-adelaide-oval-20161024-gs9qh7.html]the latest version of Anthony Mundine against Danny Green as the ?biggest fight in Australian history? is taking one almighty tinkle on the toilet of credibility.? The two fought in 2006 in Sidney?s Allianz Stadium before 30,000 rabid fans and Mundine won on points. The rematch could draw almost 40,000 less rabid but more curious boxing fans to see if Danny can even up the score much like Fenech did against Nelson. The Early Buzz As for the early buzz, the quotes? mostly con-- have been coming in at a fast and furious rate suggesting that hype will play a major role in selling tickers to this rematch. *?If Danny Green hits him with a very clean punch, Anthony could face a serious health problem .... believe that the fight shouldn?t be allowed to go ahead. Forget the money." Jeff Fenech ??while a lot of people will look at this as a gimmick fight, when you throw in the weight and the fact that power is the last thing to go ? and Danny?s got plenty ? there is a real risk that Anthony could get hurt and hurt quite badly in this fight.?? Cody Kaye (Fox Sports) *?It would be a sad money grabbing spectacle at best and a serious danger to both men?s health at worse.?-- Brendan Bradford (syndicated sportswriter) "He?s got the power. He?s probably going to be 10 kilograms heavier than me. But speed beats power.? -- Anthony Mundine ?Australians all let us rejoice, cos this bloke?s about to get a proper tune-up." -- Danny Green Based on past showings-- that have been sparse and against underwhelming opposition-- Mundine clearly appears to be a not-so-live underdog, but he continues to be outspoken and insulting towards Green. Mundine said of the 43-year-old Green during an interview with radio station KISS-FM: ?He built his name off me, no one would have known who he was if it wasn?t for me,*I put him on the map, he?d be fighting RSL clubs if it wasn?t for me.? Green responded that ??He [Mundine] doesn?t like me, I don?t like him and I don?t like some of the s*** that he says or some of the s*** that he stands for.? I?ll do it tomorrow if he wants to do it, I?ll do it now I?m warmed up, [and] somebody throw him some gloves??He?s going to get smoked, smoked like a cigar. ? Green, who has been fighting as a cruiserweight, may have a point since he will need to lose just four kilograms for the match (a shade under nine pounds) while Mundine, a super-welterweight) will have to gain close to ten kilograms.*Fox Sports boxing expert Cody Kaye described Mundine?s decision to accept the weight as virtual insanity. ?It?s a lot harder for Anthony to put on that weight and for it to translate to genuine muscle and genuine power,? Kaye told Australia?s Fox Sports News 500. Interestingly, both men during their respective careers beat legends that were well past their prime. Green ambushed Roy Jones Jr. early and stopped him in one round in 2009, while Mundine stopped a badly worn Sugar Shane Mosley in 2013 but was then clubbed all over the ring by Joshua Clottey in 2014. Recent Performances Stoppage losses to Antonio Tarver and Krzystof Wlodarczyk in 2011 put a halt to Danny Green?s 10-fight win streak that began in 2006 shortly after his loss to Mundine in their first tussle. But the Green Machine has won his last four, defeating Danny Santiago (31-5-1) Shane Cameron (29-2), Argentina?s Roberto Filiciano Bolonti (36-3), and most recently Kane Watts (18-2) this past August for the vacant Australia cruiserweight title. As for ?The Man?, his last fight against brash Charles ?The Future? Hatley (25-1-1 coming in) in November of 2015 was essentially over after the second round when Mundine shockingly hit the canvas three times and barely managed to survive the round.*He took brutal punishment and while he showed great heart just to survive, the slaughter should have been stopped in that round. Here it is: [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAZlOoiVu28]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAZlOoiVu28 Many fans called for Anthony to retire after that beat down, and any thoughts of a final monster payday went down the drain except for the slim hope of a rematch with Green. However, since Mundine has made a small fortune through boxing, maybe something else is driving him. Green has retired before, saying?with tears streaming down-- no amount of money could tempt him to reverse a decision to quit made after an early-morning Easter Sunday "epiphany.? ?Mundine?s manager Khoder Nasser even had this to say at the time: "Danny is a gentleman who was part of the greatest fight in Australian history, he fought back from adversity to become a world champion again and his retirement is a massive loss to boxing.? The retirement was short-lived. Hopefully, both will retire for good after this one. Check out more boxing news on video at [url=http://theboxingchannel.tv]The Boxing Channel.   Ted Sares is one of the world?s oldest active power lifters and holds several records. He enjoys writing about boxing and is a member of Ring 4?s Boxing Hall of Fame.
I love your writing but I can?t seem to get on to past anymore.


-Kid Blast :

Storm, Here is an interview with Darnell Boone in which he states that the hardest puncher he has ever been in the ring with is Danny Green.
->http://ringsidereport.com/?p=51902


-stormcentre :

You have another bias against Green. His fights have not been stacked in his favor. Beating Shane Cameron had almost killed Monte Barret was decent to say the least.Roberto Feliciano Bolonti was 36-2 going in and was a top-tier opponent having met Bhramer and Bellew. Watts was not all that bad though he was not all that good either. Wlodarczyk is a monster but Tarver--never easy as long as he isn't juicing-- was a shocker. BJ Flores was undefeated when Danny beat him. The Briggs fight is a national Austrian disgrace. Roy Jones had just beat Lacy and Sheika and was the favorite going in. Otis Griffin was no slouch at 18-1 coming in, Fighting Markus Beyer twice is hardly what I would call having it easy. Same with Eric Luca In short, Danny has fought at a reasonably high level of opposition.
Choc was slaughtered by the Turtle, Clottey and lost to Geale and was shocked by Garth Wood--who? Garth Wood. Sergey Rabchenko was recently exposed by Tony Harrison. Common opponent Manny Siaca was waxed by Green but beat Mundine in 2004. Choc had a good run between 2005 and 2010 but his legs are now gone and his speed afoot was his biggest asset in the past. Green will close off the ring in a plodding sort of manner and stun Mundine with something after which he will destroy him with a patented Green flurry of thunder. He will not mess around. I do think we are closer to agreement than we are disagreement on this issue. It's just that your bias towards Danny needs some balance. As for knowing these two better than I do, so what? I know scores of fighters better than you do, but that doesn't give me any edge on how they will do in a particular fight. When you say something like that, you are trying to establish superior credentials but that won't impress me. I'll concede the point but so what.? I am always comfortable with what I write because it is not tainted by the prism of nationalist fervor. LOL BTW, this article has made its way Down Under but just minimal feedback thus far.
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNe5npkid-s
Ha ha. You didn't even make it past my comment in post #18 . . . .

""But, that aside, if you can point to
what within post #16 that I wrote was incorrect (betcha cant do that ), then I would be happy to address it and/or your funny slurping comment that (incorrectly) suggests bias towards Chock"."

Not to worry. I can tell by the way you're overlooking my above post's comments and framing your arguments/retorts (especially with the use of Beyer and Siaca) you don't have sound knowledge of the 2 fighters in question. You're coming across like a Danny Green cheerleader. For your information I think Green is OK. He was a strong amateur - he got a good Olympic draw - he was easily stopped in the Olympics when he fought someone notable (Lebsiak) - Green then later turned professional (questionably) telling the world he (lost to Lebsiak in the Olympics due to a broken hand, and) wanted to fight Mundine. From that point on Green and Fenech pretty much did what Shannon Briggs has done to Klitschko; they stalked Mundine at his fights and claimed Anthony was too scared to fight him. Unfortunately they were wrong. So, when Anthony finally fought, outclassed, and flogged Danny, fact of the matter is that Danny has never been able to get over it. Also, as stated in my earlier posts (which addressed your inaccurate claims of bias); Chock - whilst he has not embarrassed himself quite the same way Green has - has some questionable names and actions on his ledger too.
But people tend to overlook Green's questionable behavior and opponents more; hence why I have highlighted them. Now since you (hilariously) raised the subject of Siaca, Beyer, and some other fighters Green fought; seemingly as a means of defending/supporting Green.


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Green was disqualified for heat-butting Beyer in their first fight. When Green came back to Oz he - on the news and elsewhere - openly claimed (lied?) to all whom would listen, believe, and also to all those that hated Chock, that he didn't head-butt Marcus in Germany; inferring he therefore didn't deserve to lose against Beyer. But, un/fortunately the fight-video showed otherwise. Green was caught on video head-butting Beyer's cuts; some of which Green had opened up with punches. With Green's silly denial of his Beyer-fouling actions that, in turn, ensured he lost a chance at the WBC middleweight title; Green's contempt for his fans and also the truth was both, there for all to see and starting to take on a new shape - one that even his questionable post-Olympic comments probably would bear little resemblance to. Green was looking good in the first Beyer fight for a while. But he got frustrated with how Beyer was not succumbing as expected; and then Green started head-butting. Green's inability to handle top-level and other adversities - stick with fight-strategies that don't work without adapting - and then design questionable reasons as to why it all happened in order to preserve his reputation, were not contained to the Olympics and the aforementioned Beyer fight. More on that *later.
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In between the first and second Beyer fights, Green fought (NZ based) *Sean Sullivan in Perth. Because Sean was not seen to be at Green and Beyer's levels, and because he was seen to be just a "keep busy fight"; Green thought his fight with Sean Sullivan would be easy. As such Green came out strong, (and in terms of strategy) set a dangerous pace, and unnecessarily spent a lot of energy (on a hot day) looking to stop Sean; so Green's win by KO record (and claims about the Beyer loss) could (seem to) remain in tact. However, Sean Sullivan wasn't that easy and the (outwork and wear down Sean Sullivan) strategy backfired and embarrassed Green/Fenech, as it potentially indicated to the public;


A) Not only, that Green - to some extent - was still at domestic level and (provided you take away Green's right hand) relatively easily to work out.
B) But also, that Green didn't deserve to be believed in relation to his highly questionable explanations as to why he lost the first Marcus Beyer fight in Germany due to head-butting.

Sure, Green got the decision against Sullivan. But (via the West Australian newspaper and other media outlets) Green blamed his strategy and failure to both, produce a KO against Sean Sullivan and stop a domestic opponent, on Perth's hot weather and dehydration. Fact was Green saw Sean as an easy target - he underestimated Sean - and he both overestimated his abilities and applied the wrong strategy in that fight. That, and the fact that Green adopted such a questionable strategy on such a hot day and (still) didn't change it up when that strategy wasn't working, was why Green didn't get the KO and failed to stop a domestic opponent; whom was clearly chosen to be another KO victim.
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The second (rematch) fight with Beyer Green lost fair and square and this was the first indication and confirmation we had that - (as I stated in my post #16) on the world stage - Green would have issues with guys that can move and take away his right hand.
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Marcus Beyer was a good German WBC middleweight champion, but by/large he was a weak and/or not a great champion. At the time (Green initially fought him) Beyer was probably the easiest middleweight champion for Green to target.
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After Green lost to Beyer the second time in 2005 Danny fought James Crawford (40-10-2; 3 most recent fights were all losses) and Quirino Garcia (37-26-3; most recent fight before Green was a loss).
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The Manny Siaca fight was hilarious; it typified a transaction with gloves on and brought public ridicule from some well known Australian boxing trainers. Siaca was made to order for Danny. He was completely outgunned, practically defenceless, and pretty much washed up; when Green fought him. Quite a few people were disappointed with the negative and unentertaining spectacle that was Danny Green V Manny Siaca.
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I have already (before you even mentioned him) implicitly addressed the Shane Cameron fight in my earlier posts (post #16).

""After Tarver, it appeared that Green (really) made sure to never fight guys (especially those in his own weight) that had the above-mentioned attributes that Tarver and Chock possess; preferring less experienced, stronger and/or slower fighters - so that Danny's best attributes could come into play.""

Still Cameron (as predictable and straight forward as he was) was a good scalp for Danny to collect. That said, for the first time ever in his career, Shane Cameron was made to come down from Heavyweight to cruiserweight for that fight though. Food for thought.
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Eric Lucas wasn't a bad win. Green went over to Montreal, Canada and fought quite nervously until he saw Eric didn't like his power, and from that point on Green won. With this fight Green won the interim WBC world title. But, if I remember correctly - even with this - there was some controversy about Green's own website advertising himself as a (full) "World Champion" afterwards.
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Almost all Green's opponents before his 2003 fight with Beyer were of reasonably forgettable ilk. Check for yourself if you like.
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(I will leave the Lacy and Sheika comments for now {as, from your comments, you're obviously not aware of how washed up they were when Jones fought them} and say) The Roy Jones win was good for Green. However, by the time Green fought Jones it was already clear that Roy had suitably declined by then such that Green would have known he could hurt him. Still, Jones was a good win for Green.
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As for your comments . . . . .

""Otis Griffin was no slouch at 18-1 coming in.""

On Otis Griffin, well . . . . other than to say;


A) Dear me, what were you thinking?
B) ""You may want to check whom Griffin fought and the caliber of opposition that it constituted, prior to facing Green and see how that sits with your closing paragraph"".
C) From my above post #16; ""As, (with almost all Green's fights) the fight has been put together with the intention of heavily stacking the cards in Green's favor"."

I will leave that one there.

So . . . . When these considerations are added to the list I detailed in post #16, you get the true picture about Green. Call it bias or slurping if you like. But within reason they are the facts as I know them and they have been tried and tested in discussions with Danny's (amateur/professional) teams, trainers, and many other folk close to the beating heart of the matter. As I indicated before, I know these 2 guys quite a lot better than you do and - whether you/anyone accepts that or not (and as shown) - that knowledge counts. Finally;


1) I thought Chock did well to get up off the canvas against Clottey; even though Anthony clearly both, underestimated and lost to Joshua.
2) Chock did lose to Garth Wood, and that was a surprise. However, within a few months, Mundine avenged that loss immediately after.
3) For Green V2 Mundine, I don't care who wins; as (to answer the question you pitched) the fight is a gimmick in my view.

All the best. Cheers,
Storm. :) :) :)


-stormcentre :

Storm, Here is an interview with Darnell Boone in which he states that the hardest puncher he has ever been in the ring with is Danny Green.
->http://ringsidereport.com/?p=51902
Yes, I know as I initially suggested the article to you. Green's punching power is not in question; the guy has and/or had a serious right hand. Cheers,
Storm. :) :) :)


-SuperLight :

I'm loving this. I dare say, men, it's better than the prospective fight. Admittedly I've never watched Green fight besides against Mundine. I've heard quite a lot of the out-of-ring antics from both over the years. I remember seeing some taunting between Fenech and Mundine on Aus TV. Now that would've been an interesting fight. In prime or after retirement, Fenech or Mundine? =)


-stormcentre :

Mundine would probably have been too big for Jeff; had their careers blossomed at the same time. Jeff is considered to be the far more accomplished and loved fighter. But, in his prime, Fenech was reasonably disliked in his hometown of Sydney for a while there too. Some thought Jeff had an "attitude". Both guys have pretty much hated each other for decades. From what I can understand Fenech doesn't believe Anthony is the genuine item, and thinks that he came through boxing the wrong way; which is probably not via Jeff and his gyms/contacts. Anthony Mundine, used his father, and both his father's successful boxing career and Sydney (Redfern) based gym as both a guiding light and place to learn the craft. And, of course, Anthony thinks Jeff doesn't know all there is to know about the sport and/or control it. Chock will probably never forgive Jeff for all both he and Danny did shortly after Green finished the Sydney Olympics and signed with Fenech. And, Fenech will probably never get over the fact that much he and Danny said/did (after Green finished the Sydney Olympics and signed with Fenech) came down to both, being incorrect and also a flogging that Chock administered to Greeny. And, as for Green, well he still hasn't gotten over the fact that he swung from pillar to post claiming Mundine was scared and running from him - only to get totally outclassed and flogged by Chock; whom Fenech said couldn't fight and was all hype. It is what it is. Cheers SL,
Storm. :) :) :)


-SuperLight :

Mundine would probably have been too big for Jeff; had their careers blossomed at the same time. Jeff is considered to be the far more accomplished and loved fighter. But, in his prime, Fenech was reasonably disliked in his hometown of Sydney for a while there too. Some thought Jeff had an "attitude". Both guys have pretty much hated each other for decades. From what I can understand Fenech doesn't believe Anthony is the genuine item, and thinks that he came through boxing the wrong way; which is probably not via Jeff and his gyms/contacts. Anthony Mundine, used his father, and both his father's successful boxing career and Sydney (Redfern) based gym as both a guiding light and place to learn the craft. And, of course, Anthony thinks Jeff doesn't know all there is to know about the sport and/or control it. Chock will probably never forgive Jeff for all both he and Danny did shortly after Green finished the Sydney Olympics and signed with Fenech. And, Fenech will probably never get over the fact that much he and Danny said/did (after Green finished the Sydney Olympics and signed with Fenech) came down to both, being incorrect and also a flogging that Chock administered to Greeny. And, as for Green, well he still hasn't gotten over the fact that he swung from pillar to post claiming Mundine was scared and running from him - only to get totally outclassed and flogged by Chock; whom Fenech said couldn't fight and was all hype. It is what it is. Cheers SL,
Storm. :) :) :)
Thanks for taking the time to reply. Surely you know all concerned better than anyone on here. I can't say I know any of these guys personally. The image I have of Fenech is a gutsy guy with fragile hands who was eager to spar with and/or fight anyone. Of course he's had his share of crap come to light too. To the matter of pounds and inches separating my hypothetical combatants, weight, height and reach differences don't mean syet ;)


-Kid Blast :

Yes, I know as I initially suggested the article to you. Green's punching power is not in question; the guy has and/or had a serious right hand. Cheers,
Storm. :) :) :)
Geez, you don't miss much; I'll give you that. :p


-Kid Blast :

This just in. Green beats Mundine by MD. Very close and very dirty fight, but both men embrace at the end.


-Absy71 :

This just in. Green beats Mundine by MD. Very close and very dirty fight, but both men embrace at the end.
Soz, with all Respect KiB, Of course they embrace, age will do that to fighters, lol, where is the love???, hey according to f sports footage, ,Mundine put green down in the 1st with a dirty shot, when the Ref was breaking them up, WTF, ( protect yourself at all times, lol ), Why are we Boxing fans so Gullible. we are 😆, I think there will be a Trilogy $$$$, lol, the undercard was pretty cool, on a brighter note, hopefully the son of a HOF will make their mark, I wish Father n Son all the best👍


-Absy71 :

Soz, with all Respect KiB, Of course they embrace, age will do that to fighters, lol, where is the love???, hey according to f sports footage, ,Mundine put green down in the 1st with a dirty shot, when the Ref was breaking them up, WTF, ( protect yourself at all times, lol ), Why are we Boxing fans so Gullible. we are 😆, I think there will be a Trilogy $$$$, lol, the undercard was pretty cool, on a brighter note, hopefully the son of a HOF will make their mark, I wish Father n Son all the best👍
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