Those Calling on GGG to Move Up Share a Lot With Mayweather Detractors

Those Calling on GGG to Move Up – Many boxing observers have been asking why middleweight champ Gennady Golovkin 36-0 (33) hasn’t moved up in weight — especially when he had a chance to fight former undisputed super-middleweight title holder Andre Ward, who is fighting light heavyweight title holder Sergey Kovalev in November in what has to be the most anticipated bout since the Mayweather vs. Pacquiao showdown back in May of 2015.

Awhile back there was talk of Golovkin taking on Ward but they couldn’t agree on the weight. It was reported that Golovkin insisted on Ward dropping down to 164 instead of fighting at 168, the maximum allowed for super-middleweight. Ward obviously declined; the fight never happened and most assumed GGG feared facing Ward at his best. And if that’s the closest to the truth we can get — because no one but those involved in the negotiations knows for sure — then I’m on board with them, sensing that Gennady had some reservation regarding getting into the ring with Ward at full strength.

However, the Golovkin should move up in weight faction has gained some momentum since GGG defeated a welterweight title holder, Kell Brook, who willingly went up two weight divisions for the fight to become a reality. And after the bout, Floyd Mayweather said he had Brook ahead of Golovkin when the bout was stopped, and then reiterated that he’d like to see Golovkin move up to fight Andre Ward. And with that said, the question becomes – why? First of all, Floyd is the last fighter in the world who should admonish another fighter for not taking a risk. I don’t think I need to go into why. If you’ve been following professional boxing, even on the fringe for the past decade, you’re very familiar with Mayweather’s career.

It seems to me that those who are adamantly calling for Golovkin to move up in weight to fight the Kovalev-Ward winner, are coming from the same place as many of those who wanted to see Mayweather move up and fight Golovkin at 160 in a non-catch weight bout. Those who suggested it wanted nothing more than to see Mayweather get beat – and I offer the same reasoning for the many calling for Golovkin to challenge the Kovalev-Ward winner….they just want to see Golovkin lose.

Yes, I was one of those suggesting Mayweather fight Golovkin at 160. But that was at the end of Floyd’s career when his legacy was already etched in stone and he was gambling with house money and had nothing to lose. A loss in Floyd’s last fight to a bigger fighter, and a beast at that, wouldn’t have tarnished Mayweather’s accomplishments. Right now Golovkin is building his legacy – nothing is etched in stone. But it seems as though because he’s looking like he just may be the real deal, some are anxious to see him lose. And that’s a terrible reason for him to move up, especially when he hasn’t yet cleaned out the middleweight division of fighters who are a legitimate challenger for him at 160.

Gennady Golovkin is a natural middleweight, as were all-time greats and undisputed middleweight title-holders Carlos Monzon and Marvin Hagler. For roughly a decade they were unbeatable and the last seven of those years they held the title. During four years of Monzon’s reign, Bob Foster ruled the light heavyweight division. Yet there was never talk of Carlos moving up to fight for Foster’s title, and that was for good reason. For starters no one really believed that Monzon, as great as he was, had much of a chance to best Foster, who was also an all-time great. Moreover, during the years Foster held the light heavyweight title, Monzon was being openly challenged by former welterweight, junior middleweight and middleweight title holder Emile Griffith.

After Monzon turned back Griffith’s challenge twice, he was challenged by reigning welterweight champ Jose Napoles, who he stopped when Jose failed to answer the bell for the seventh round. Monzon never once stated that he wanted to be the light heavyweight champ, yet there were authentically great welterweight champs who desired to be the middleweight champion.

As for Hagler, he never said he wanted to be the light heavyweight champ, although during the years 1981-83 when he reigned as the undisputed middleweight champion, WBA light heavyweight champ Michael Spinks and his WBC counterpart Dwight Muhammad Qawi were campaigning to have Hagler move up and challenge them. This I saw firsthand because I trained in the same gym with Michael and Dwight at the time and know both of them well. Their issue was that there was a lot of talk in the papers regarding Hagler possibly fighting Sugar Ray Leonard or Thomas Hearns and they didn’t like the idea of Marvin looking for challengers south of middleweight instead of north.

However, Hagler often stated that he wasn’t a light heavyweight and he had no interest in being the welterweight champion. It was Leonard and Hearns who wanted to capture Hagler’s middleweight title. So you can’t blame Marvin for eventually fighting both of them because they sought him out because they wanted the hardware and he agreed because the money was more than he ever made. As for Hagler moving up to light heavyweight, he knew he wasn’t big enough to deal with the reach, height, power and boxing skills of Michael Spinks- and it didn’t take a rocket scientist to grasp that a prime Qawi would’ve steamrolled Hagler.

In fact, Hagler and Golovkin are similar in the way that they understand their own bodies, and the limits of what they can do. Remember, when Golovkin was talking about Brook after the fight, he said, “he’s a great fighter, but he’s not a middleweight.”  That can apply to Gennady to: he’s not a super middle or light heavyweight.  And, at 34, he’s no longer growing. He came in at 159 1/4 for Brook, and was only 167 ten days before the fight.

Perhaps Andre Ward would take Golovkin to school and undress him in the ring. Maybe Kovalev is a little too big and strong for Golovkin right now. Down the road those challenges may be an option for Golovkin, but not today or tomorrow. Gennady has more things to do in his own division. Those clamoring for him to move up are doing so with the hope that he loses, just like those who wanted to see Mayweather fight Golovkin last year. Floyd smartly ignored the call and I expect Golovkin to ignore those wanting him to move up in weight.

Gennady knows he is best served staying in his lane. When and if he cleans out the middleweight division or has trouble making 160, then maybe he should move up. However, today too much is placed on fighters moving up and acquiring titles in different divisions. With weigh-ins 36-48 hours before the bout, it really does lose its significance.

Golovkin is a middleweight.  To be a great fighter you only have to beat everyone in your division.  If your body can handle moving up or down, fine. But if you’re built to fight at a certain weight, no pressure should be put on you to change divisions, and that applies to Gennady Golovkin.

Those Calling on GGG to Move Up / Frank Lotierzo can be contacted at  GlovedFist@Gmail.com

COMMENTS

-Kid Blast :

Nicly done with a great angle


-Radam G :

I agree. Three g is good where he is. And it is not his fault that the division is weak. Holla!


-deepwater2 :

I agree. Three g is good where he is. And it is not his fault that the division is weak. Holla!
Yup. Let Triple G collect all the belts and turn back some challengers. He can move up when he wants too. Floyd wouldn't even have the guy drain himself, like Canelo, to fight at 152. The king of the division doesn't have to do anything he doesn't want to do. Now if Triple G retires when a good challenge comes along and then comes back like Floyd did, then we can complain. Froch retired, took acting classes and bought a new nose instead of meeting the middleweight. Canelo dumped his belt. Hopefully Jacobs fights him in nyc on December 10th.


-Skibbz :

Froch retired, took acting classes and bought a new nose instead of meeting the middleweight.
Made me chuckle. I gotta be honest.. I want GGG to move up. Okay he may not have to, those who know will agree he is a great fighter. His 'resume' in the pro ranks isn't as beefy as other kingpins have been but now concencus is that it's not all down to Golovkin... But there are some interesting fights at 168, and 154... It would be a shame if they weren't made - catchweight or not. And to add, I'm not fussed for catchweight bouts if there's no belt involved. Let them fight for the fans and their own pockets. But sitting pretty at 160 just because you can.. Well sometimes it takes two to tango...


-deepwater2 :

Made me chuckle. I gotta be honest.. I want GGG to move up. Okay he may not have to, those who know will agree he is a great fighter. His 'resume' in the pro ranks isn't as beefy as other kingpins have been but now concencus is that it's not all down to Golovkin... But there are some interesting fights at 168, and 154... It would be a shame if they weren't made - catchweight or not. And to add, I'm not fussed for catchweight bouts if there's no belt involved. Let them fight for the fans and their own pockets. But sitting pretty at 160 just because you can.. Well sometimes it takes two to tango...
I would like to see him move up for the right fight but he wants all the belts. Honestly I didn't even know that was Froch during the Brook fight. Wow. He looks like he is in a boys pop band or something. Will always like Froch though. The man did a great job and beat some tough guys in there.


-SouthPawFlo :

Even tho I am one who would like to see Golovkin move up in weight, this article is Spot on, 160 is his weight class and it's where he's best at... No need in chasing something that will compromise you being the best you..... It's not his fault that the fighters at 160 haven't offered much of a challenge to him..


-stormcentre :

I like the article. But, something is about to land here that may put a cat amongst the pigeons. Might be time to beat on Frank a little bit and put and end to some of the nonsense and inaccuracies. Not long to go now. Cheers,
Storm. :) :)


-stormcentre :

Almost there . . . Not long to go now. Cheers, Storm. :) :) :) Wicked deep progressive tune right here.


-SuperLight :

Almost there . . . Not long to go now. Cheers, Storm. :) :) :) Wicked deep progressive tune right here.
Don't be coy now ;) I'm hoping for some interesting reading for me time after training tomorrow.


-paulmagno :

First...another well-written, well-reasoned article from Frank...Lotierzo and Sares are the reasons I visit the Sweet Science site... I agree with the general idea of this article and would support Frank fully in this line of thought if not for the fact that K2 and Team Golovkin are constantly bombarding the media with quotes about being unable to get the big, challenging fights they want...so, if a challenge is what you want and you're so frustrated with your ability to get those fights at 160-- then, yeah, move up. They're also constantly issuing statements about being more than willing to go anywhere from 154 to 168 for the big fights. So, well, do it. There's always been a sense of entitlement to Golovkin that some fans and writers (myself included) are put off by. And it's not a case of Golovkin having earned that sense of entitlement ala Mayweather, Pacquiao. From the beginning, fighters were goaded to step towards Golovkin, to concede leverage, to disregard money issues or be branded cowards. The media fell so deeply in love with the guy that his people were acting like he was a long-reigning champ/star before he even had an HBO main event under his belt. And it's still going on. Golovkin is the best middleweight in the world, but his legacy will be prorated by his level of opposition (or it should be, anyway). Nobody remembers boardroom difficulties or negotiation issues...they simply don't. It's all about the black and white. And if the spirit of sport is what truly drives him, then there's no other choice but to move up to meet those challenges.


-stormcentre :


Don't be coy now ;) I'm hoping for some interesting reading for me time after training tomorrow.
I wont be. :) I promise you wont be disappointed when it arrives; it will be incisive and detailed. Good to hear from you SL. Cheers,
Storm. :) :)


-stormcentre :

Folks, Please go over here for my considered, incisive, detailed, and promised response . . . . . .


->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?272164859-Does-Floyd-Have-The-Right-To-Tell-3G-To-Step-Up-The-Definitive-Analysis-amp-Final-Word-On-Whom-Cherry-Picks-amp-Mayweather-Detracts-The-Most&p=104636&viewfull=1#post104636

Cheers,
Storm. :) :) :)


-stormcentre :

Folks, Please go over here for my considered, incisive, detailed, and promised response . . . . . .


->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?272164912-Does-Floyd-Have-The-Right-To-Tell-3G-To-Step-Up-The-Definitive-Analysis-amp-Final-Word-On-Whom-Cherry-Picks-amp-Mayweather-Detracts-The-Most

Cheers,
Storm. :) :) :)