U.S. Olympic Boxing Notebook: Nico Hernandez Breaks Medal Drought

U.S. Olympic Boxing Notebook – In 2012, the U.S. Olympic men’s boxing team left the London games without a single medal. Only one of the nine competitors, welterweight Errol Spence Jr, advanced as far as the quarterfinals. This year’s squad is assured of at least one medal after light flyweight Nico Hernandez punched his way into the semifinals with wins over opponents from Italy, Russia, and Ecuador. Victories over Russia’s Vasilii Egorov, the #2 seed, and Ecuador’s Carlos Quipo, a two-time Olympian, were upsets. With two more victories, the 20-year-old novice from Wichita, Kansas, can claim America’s first gold medal since Andre Ward won the gold in 2008.

Lightweight Carlos Balderas (Santa Maria, CA) can reach Hernandez’s level when he enters the squared circle on Friday. Balderas (pictured below) outpointed Berik Abdrakhmanov from the formidable Kazakhstan team in his opening match and then turned away Japan’s Daisuke Narimatsu. Balderas has a daunting assignment. His third round opponent is Cuba’s top-seed Lazaro Alvarez.

The only other U.S. boxer to compete heading into the evening session on Wednesday was 18-year-old Charles Conwell who was saddled with a tough draw. The youngest member of the U.S. team, Conwell (Cleveland Heights, OH) was outpointed by India’s Krishan Vikas. The name may ring a bell. Vikas defeated Errol Spence in the 2012 Olympics but his victory was overturned on appeal.

Shakur Stevenson, the most highly touted member of the U.S. team, makes his Olympic debut on Sunday.

 

U.S. Olympic Boxing Notebook – ODDS AND ENDS

U.S. Oympic Boxing Notebook

The three professional boxers in the tournament were sent packing early. Cameroon’s Hassan N’Dam N’Jikam, competing as a light heavyweight, and Thailand’s Amnat Ruenroeng, a flyweight, lost their opening round matches. Italy’s Carmine Tommasone, a lightweight, cleared his first hurdle, outpointing Mexico’s Lindolfo Delgado, but was then eliminated by the aforementioned Alvarez.

N’Dam N’Jikam is 34-2 as a pro with both losses coming in world title fights. In a bout that could have gone either way, he was outpointed by Brazil’s Michel Borges. This was the second Olympic appearance for N’Dam N’Jikam who failed to medal in the 2004 games at Athens.

Thailand’s Ruenroeng also had prior Olympic experience, having competed in the 2008 Olympiad in Beijing. As a pro he was 17-1 with the lone defeat coming in his most recent bout where he lost his IBF World flyweight title in his sixth title defense. It wasn’t a big surprise that he lost to Sofiane Oumiha, a 21-year-old Frenchmen, but the manner in which he lost was shocking. Oumiha dominated the match, scoring three standing counts, the last of which, in the final round, led the referee to stop the fight.

One of the bigger upsets on the opening day of competition occurred when Samuel Carmona, an unheralded 20-year-old Spaniard, turned away Ireland’s Paddy Barnes. Ireland’s Olympic flag bearer in Rio, Barnes was appearing in his third Olympiad and was one of the favorites in the light flyweight class after winning bronze in 2008 and 2012. The Irish team suffered another blow when middleweight Michael O’Reilly was sent home after testing positive for a banned substance.

In addition to the aforementioned Oumiha, Cameroonian middleweight Dieudonne Seyi Ntsengue and Cuba’s Johanys Argilagos also turned heads with scintillating showings. The 18-year-old Ntsengue did a nifty backflip in the ring after turning away Columbia’s Jorge Luis Vivas. The 19-year-old Argilagos, who had a bye in the first preliminary round, turned away England’s stubborn Galal Yafai in what was a portent of better things to come.

On Wednesday, Argilagos became the first boxer to secure a berth in the semi-finals, assuring himself of at least a bronze medal. Jeff Powell, the ringside reporter for the London Daily Mail, likens Argilagos to a miniature Muhammad Ali and hails him as a future star.

U.S. Oympic Boxing Notebook

COMMENTS

-brownsugar :

The pros never had a chance, they were undone by the grueling pace, the daily weigh ins and the repetitive grind of having to put all that work into three hectic rounds and then come back in a relatively short period of time and have to do it all over again. Its like leaving the plush suburbs of a wealthy neighborhood to do 30 days in the workhouse... betcha not many of them try that again....Lol In fact its the pro's who retain the better part of their amateur qualities that usually have more success in the pros .... just look at Lomanchenko and Spence...sure they have added that "professional layer" but both boxers still have that amateur intensity.... Can't wait for Balderas to face that slick Cuban Alvarez..... The guy only touches and slaps with his well timed counter shots but he moves with more grace than a ballet dancer while pivoting and gliding around the ring like he's clairvoyant. One step ahead of his opponents at all times. I think Balderas can upset him if he goes all out and out hustles the guy with smart pressure. Let's his hands go and doesn't allow Alvarez a moments rest or time to set up(that how Ray Leonard and company did it)... Balderas is a good rythym fighter....he has a nice way of slowing down the pace, getting his opponents to swing recklessly and then turning up the heat just when his opponents think its safe to rest and recover... but it will take a ton of activity to beat Alvarez, subtlety alone just won't do.


-brownsugar :

Nico is guaranteed at least a bronze ....3-0 so far....USA....USA.... USA!!!!!


-Radam G :

Nico H definitely got a new fan in me. He was like a no chancer until he landed his first shot in those O-Games. Now that shot has been heard around the world. And little dude is a strutting, smooth boksing machine. It is amazing how whup-@$$ woke up in this kid. The boksing gods have definitely given him the "IT" factor and the "boxing whup-@$$ syets." Dude got it going on. And I have no doubt. Ev'ybodee and dey momma know that I'm hard to impress. So when I give da luv, da dude or dudette cannot be nuffin' [sic] but the darn best. Holla!


-Kid Blast :

Nico is guaranteed at least a bronze ....3-0 so far....USA....USA.... USA!!!!!
co-sign, co-sign, co-sign


-oubobcat :

Nico found a way to win today. He figured out his opponents weakness and exposed it. I have watched his fights as well as his next opponents. The guy he is fighting is quicker, has the faster hands and more activity. The guy is very good. Initially I thought Nico will have a tough time. But that would be true under the old system. Under the 10 point must system, Nico may have a chance. Why? Because Nico throws beautiful straight punches. He is well schooled. He won this last fight with a straight right hand that was well timed. The best thing for Nico is his opponent is a southpaw vulnerable to the straight right hand. And particularly one that is thrown straight as an arrow like Nico threw in his last fight. He has a decent chance in my opinion upon further review. I am looking forward to the fight and hopeful he can advance further.


-Radam G :

OMFG! Some POS trolls have said that I'm crazy about Nico H because he has the same first name as the grandson boxer of the late, great GOAT Ali. Whatever! GTFOH! Nico H is real. As REAL as "Real Deal" Holyfield. And I hope that there is no flashback to the 1984 O-Games when and where Holy was straight-up robbed by a corrupted bytch referee and a butt sorry azz International Olympic Committee that would not do syet about it, as it did four year later when Roy Jones Jr was puckin' robbed by paid-off double crooked judges. I'm just hoping the Olympic Games crooks don't go for repeating history and get Nico. He got the gold on lockdown if all is fair. No pug in these games is going to handle him in dat squared jungle without a bytch-full of cheating judges and/or a crooked, meddling ref. Holla!


-Skibbz :

Write down Joshua Buatsie - he's going win the Light Heavy Gold for sure!


-Radam G :

Write down Joshua Buatsie - he's going win the Light Heavy Gold for sure!
That bloke is no joke. He slick, quick and one hard-punching dyck. I've already put him on my list as a no-miss gold medalist if all is fair. Holla!


-Skibbz :

That bloke is no joke. He slick, quick and one hard-punching dyck. I've already put him on my list as a no-miss gold medalist if all is fair. Holla!
I can see it happening too. He's going to make for a great pro with his style and attributes.. Promoters are already forming an orderly queue... Still on topic with Nico, I just can't see him handling the experience and skill of the Uzbek.. Styles will come into play but I disagree with OUCat I don't think Nico's straight punches are that good, he has a good left hook and he lands it more down to the volume rather than pinpoint accuracy.. His straight punches just aren't that accurate and he doesn't throw them as often as he should. The Uzbek fought a 3 time olympian in the Kazakh and one of the top seeds, who also had considerable height and reach yet still lost a white wash. It's going to be a bigger upset than his first win to win this one. (I think in the his first fight he confused the Russian with his reverse 1-2 enough in the first and kept the volume up in the 2nd, by the 3rd the Russian had him figured out in my book..)


-dollar bond :

Go Team USA!!!!


-brownsugar :

I can see it happening too. He's going to make for a great pro with his style and attributes.. Promoters are already forming an orderly queue... Still on topic with Nico, I just can't see him handling the experience and skill of the Uzbek.. Styles will come into play but I disagree with OUCat I don't think Nico's straight punches are that good, he has a good left hook and he lands it more down to the volume rather than pinpoint accuracy.. His straight punches just aren't that accurate and he doesn't throw them as often as he should. The Uzbek fought a 3 time olympian in the Kazakh and one of the top seeds, who also had considerable height and reach yet still lost a white wash. It's going to be a bigger upset than his first win to win this one. (I think in the his first fight he confused the Russian with his reverse 1-2 enough in the first and kept the volume up in the 2nd, by the 3rd the Russian had him figured out in my book..)
I liked Baldera but he really has his work cut out for him in his next fight with Alvarez. I believe Shaker Stevenson is fighting this weekend, cant wait to see how he handles the pressure. But I'm loving the 10 point must system ....boxing is looking like boxing again instead of a game of tag. Nothing is more frustrating than watching judges NOT count punches under the old computerized method and then listening to their long windbag excuses for not getting it right.. About the headgear??? I noticed a couple of boxers who looked like they figured out how to use their head as a weapon but the refs have been very much on top of the head to head contact. One of the best refs happens to be a women...kudos to the officiating do far.


-Skibbz :

Dusmatov books his place in the Gold Medal bout vs Colombia's Martinez by beating Nico Hernandez who takes the Bronze Medal. First two round were Dusmatov cleverly boxing Hernandez who did not really put his foot down and apart from a few left hooks could not land much. He also sustained a cut above his left eye at the end of the second. Third round he picked up pace but it had already gone to plan for the Uzbek who clearly were in it to secure the first two and go into the 3rd leaving Nico to chase. After a 45 second break mid-round for the cutman to fix Nico's bleeding the action resumed but Dusmatov was circling and catching Nico coming in who was now much more urgent looking for a one punch knockout he knew he needed to win. A good bout, but a lack of experience from Nico. Still only 22, his patient style could work out better for him in the Pros...


-Skibbz :

I liked Baldera but he really has his work cut out for him in his next fight with Alvarez. I believe Shaker Stevenson is fighting this weekend, cant wait to see how he handles the pressure. But I'm loving the 10 point must system ....boxing is looking like boxing again instead of a game of tag. Nothing is more frustrating than watching judges NOT count punches under the old computerized method and then listening to their long windbag excuses for not getting it right.. About the headgear??? I noticed a couple of boxers who looked like they figured out how to use their head as a weapon but the refs have been very much on top of the head to head contact. One of the best refs happens to be a women...kudos to the officiating do far.
I think so too Alvarez is a terrific boxer and incredibly accomplished. But what a performance by Balderas.. He reminds me of a pro wit his hand sped and power. He was beating Alvarez to the punch and landing for my money the better punches but still all 3 judges gave it to Cuba. Round 2 Balderas lost the steam he had and let Alvarez dance around him.. USA was throwing single punches compared to the salvo of punches he threw in the 1st and almost seemed deflated by the end of the round.. 2-0 to Cuba. Round 3 went more like the 2nd than the 1st. Boxed at long range mostly but Balderas did have a little more success than the 2nd. I feel he just spent too much of himself in the first and he certainly won it for me, but all judges scored it against him. An interesting point, I wonder if it would have been different had they worn lighter gloves in the 1st round..? Both caught each other with cracking shots.


-brownsugar :

I can see it happening too. He's going to make for a great pro with his style and attributes.. Promoters are already forming an orderly queue... Still on topic with Nico, I just can't see him handling the experience and skill of the Uzbek.. Styles will come into play but I disagree with OUCat I don't think Nico's straight punches are that good, he has a good left hook and he lands it more down to the volume rather than pinpoint accuracy.. His straight punches just aren't that accurate and he doesn't throw them as often as he should. The Uzbek fought a 3 time olympian in the Kazakh and one of the top seeds, who also had considerable height and reach yet still lost a white wash. It's going to be a bigger upset than his first win to win this one. (I think in the his first fight he confused the Russian with his reverse 1-2 enough in the first and kept the volume up in the 2nd, by the 3rd the Russian had him figured out in my book..)
Good call on the Uzbek, Skibbz I liked Nico but like you said his wind milling (Jerry Page) style would get picked apart by those "Lifer" Eastern Block Amateur Types. Nico is more accurate than Jerry Page however, the pros will embrace him with open arms. Tough Break for Baldara, sometimes its tough to tell how good some of those Cubans really are as they do just enough to float through the early brackets then you find out they really can crack in the semifinals and championship rounds...but Baldera is taylor made for the pros, I hope he doesn't become another "Lifer" amateur......good call on the matchups.


-brownsugar :

Good Job NICO, THANKS FOR PUTTING IT ALL ON THE LINE.... It's easy to forget that potential boxing candidates who live in the states formerly known as Russia and the house that Castro built...Cuba, go to boxing schools from around the age of 10. They are taught every nuance of the fight game from qualified instructors who comprehend the sport as well as any of our celebrated trainers....there are so many good coaches, they just don't get the attention that coaching legends like Dundee and Futch received. Boxing is an institution and a way out for them ....unless you grew up in a household like the 4or 5 Gary Russell brothers, where dad is also your coach ..... and he gets you out of bed before the crack of dawn to get in some roadwork...its hard to comprehend how complete the boxing program is for the Russian and Cuban athletes. I salute you Nico Hernandez on a job well done!!!


-Skibbz :

Good call on the Uzbek, Skibbz I liked Nico but like you said his wind milling (Jerry Page) style would get picked apart by those "Lifer" Eastern Block Amateur Types. Nico is more accurate than Jerry Page however, the pros will embrace him with open arms. Tough Break for Baldara, sometimes its tough to tell how good some of those Cubans really are as they do just enough to float through the early brackets then you find out they really can crack in the semifinals and championship rounds...but Baldera is taylor made for the pros, I hope he doesn't become another "Lifer" amateur......good call on the matchups.
Indeed the Uzbeks have one of the best amateur programs anywhere in the world. Filled with Petrodollars, great coaches, and state of the art facilities. They push their boys to aim for Gold in all competitions and are represented in top 10 in almost every category. Have never been out there myself but would love to just to see the historical sights if not take a trip down to the gyms and watch them train. Baldera from the first moment I saw him looked like a pro, the force behind his punches, the way he plants his feet... Really hope he transitions. Vargas just won his match up too, should have won by bigger margin in my book, judges gave first two rounds against him but in the third his opponent was docked a point and he went on to win. Also just had a fantastic Super Heavy contest, best Olympic Super Heavy contest I've ever seen between veteran Mihai Nistor and the green as you get Iashiash (think that's the correct spelling..) from Jordan, only 20 years old. They came out banging from the first round except Nistor's strength was just too much and had an effect on the Jordanian youth. Judges gave both round 1 and 2 to Iashiash who was meeting fire with fire at times but mostly trying to move around the ring - not successfully as he often found himself against the ropes or in a corner. Judges haven't had a great day today. The 3rd round was an absolute slugfest. Nistor was bulldozing forward throwing combinations of hooks as well as straight punches landing smack in the middle of the face of Iashiash. The referee stepped in twice to provide a standing count to the Jordanian who at one point spat out his gumshield to buy some more time. Nistor also sustained a cut from a punch and that allowed the Jordanian a few more precious moments to gulp down oxygen as it was tended too.. But again Nistor charged forward throwing his massive frame behind his punches and landing all over the Jordanian who was pummelled all over the ring but never went down. By the end of the round both men staggered exhausted back to their corners. 3rd round went to Nistor, the decision went to the Jordanian who pulled an upset on the 8th seed. Great fight.


-brownsugar :

Indeed the Uzbeks have one of the best amateur programs anywhere in the world. Filled with Petrodollars, great coaches, and state of the art facilities. They push their boys to aim for Gold in all competitions and are represented in top 10 in almost every category. Have never been out there myself but would love to just to see the historical sights if not take a trip down to the gyms and watch them train. Baldera from the first moment I saw him looked like a pro, the force behind his punches, the way he plants his feet... Really hope he transitions. Vargas just won his match up too, should have won by bigger margin in my book, judges gave first two rounds against him but in the third his opponent was docked a point and he went on to win. Also just had a fantastic Super Heavy contest, best Olympic Super Heavy contest I've ever seen between veteran Mihai Nistor and the green as you get Iashiash (think that's the correct spelling..) from Jordan, only 20 years old. They came out banging from the first round except Nistor's strength was just too much and had an effect on the Jordanian youth. Judges gave both round 1 and 2 to Iashiash who was meeting fire with fire at times but mostly trying to move around the ring - not successfully as he often found himself against the ropes or in a corner. Judges haven't had a great day today. The 3rd round was an absolute slugfest. Nistor was bulldozing forward throwing combinations of hooks as well as straight punches landing smack in the middle of the face of Iashiash. The referee stepped in twice to provide a standing count to the Jordanian who at one point spat out his gumshield to buy some more time. Nistor also sustained a cut from a punch and that allowed the Jordanian a few more precious moments to gulp down oxygen as it was tended too.. But again Nistor charged forward throwing his massive frame behind his punches and landing all over the Jordanian who was pummelled all over the ring but never went down. By the end of the round both men staggered exhausted back to their corners. 3rd round went to Nistor, the decision went to the Jordanian who pulled an upset on the 8th seed. Great fight.
Sounds like those super heavies had a serious slugfest,... flawed judging and all, I'll see if I have it on my RIO cell phone app. By your descriptive analysis, it sounds like a real doozy.


-brownsugar :

Wow Jay Joyce the 30 year old UK heavy gets a KO... These UK heavies may rule boxing for years to come. Floyd Mayweather resurfaces at Rios, ...said to be hunting new talent... Floyd doesn't mess around. Some of the Cubans are getting knocked off by those Eastern Euro boys... 4 knock outs in the super heavy ranks. Olympics rock!!!!


-Skibbz :

Wow Jay Joyce the 30 year old UK heavy gets a KO... These UK heavies may rule boxing for years to come. Floyd Mayweather resurfaces at Rios, ...said to be hunting new talent... Floyd doesn't mess around. Some of the Cubans are getting knocked off by those Eastern Euro boys... 4 knock outs in the super heavy ranks. Olympics rock!!!!
and Light Heavy action too has been great too, in fact I haven't watched a boring session yet. This is best fighting the best in 3 x 3 format in a tournament format for an ultimate prize... And the Kazakhs and Uzbeks have had some of the stand outs so far for me, Buatsie from GB too has been particularly good in my book. Interesting point to note, this Olympics Australia and New Zealand (+ other islands) had to qualify for the O games by competing in the Asian Qualifiers. In London they qualified a full strength men's squad. In Rio they have only 3 boxers make it through, the rest are kazakhs, uzbeks, thais, chinese and indians. They really lost out.


-stormcentre :

Yep, Daniel Lewis (light/middleweight) was arguably Australia's best male Olympic boxing prospect.

Unfortunately though, in comparison to some of the other countries talent out there, he's still a work in progress and was recently beaten by Bektemir Melikuziev.
Storm. :) :) :)


-brownsugar :

Skibbz, your guy Bautsi is a real killa' so much so that Floyd is trying to recruit him. The boxing fans in the UK support the sport so well its hard to imagine that he'd sign with an American... But it would be fantastic if he does...this kid is amazing... ( as you have already stated....now I'm a believer)


-stormcentre :

Yep, and I was only just speaking of light heavyweights in the other thread.
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?272163375-Kovalev-Ward-A-Fight-You-Won’t-Have-To-Hold-Your-Nose-When-You-Buy-It&p=101774&viewfull=1#post101774 Joshua Buatsi looks good. His next fight against Adilbek Niyazymbetov (from Kazakhstan) will be very interesting.


-stormcentre :

Folks, There?s possibly some relevant considerations to the matter at hand here in this bout; Adilbek Niyazybetov V Julio Peraza.


->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVYWvvGCb0M

Not in the least, is the fact that there are elements of Peraza?s style that are not entirely dissimilar to Buatsi?s. Additionally, those elements of Peraza?s style that do differ from Buatsi?s style but were also successful for Peraza when he was in with Niyazybetov, either;


A) May not be too difficult for Buatsi to adopt.
B) Or, at least, Buatsi can analyse them (as no doubt his team already have) and see what it is Buatsi can do that would create the same discomfort for Niyazybetov, as Peraza was able to.

Also, Adilbek Niyazybetov fought Oleksandr Gvozdyk at the 2012 London Olympics too . . . .



So aside from the fact that you would think Buatsi would at least (already) know of Niyazybetov from these earlier Olympic fights that took place in Buatsi?s own backyard a few years ago; this one (Niyazybetov V Gvozdyk);


A) Not only, shows a few things that Niyazybetov was seriously uncomfortable with; but then who wouldn?t be uncomfortable with Gvozdyk on your case like that.
B) But also, it resulted in a very controversial decision in my view. As I simply can't see how the countback was ever required - due to the fact that Gvozdyk so obviously dominated Niyazybetov in my opinion.

Cheers,
Storm. :) :) :)


-brownsugar :

I saw a highlight reel of Gvozdyk on you tube this morning, could not see your vid for some reason... I like his style ... he looked way more complete than he did in his last outing. Has has "must avoid" written all over himself with that combination punching style. At least at this level.


-Skibbz :

Skibbz, your guy Bautsi is a real killa' so much so that Floyd is trying to recruit him. The boxing fans in the UK support the sport so well its hard to imagine that he'd sign with an American... But it would be fantastic if he does...this kid is amazing... ( as you have already stated....now I'm a believer)
As an amateur he's one of the best in the country and always excites the crowds that watch him at work. He is a very menacing puncher. I think he will be snapped up by a UK promoter.. There's a lot of LH action this side of pond to get him to world level and by time he is ready to challenge for a belt the LH division will be opened up enough.. But then again Floyd Mayweather is unique as a boxer and will do his best to charm Buatsie no doubt.. Also Light Fly Uzbek Dustonov who beat Herndandez took gold last night, did not catch the bout but will watch a replay today. One of stand-out performers so far for me.


-Skibbz :

Folks, There’s possibly some relevant considerations to the matter at hand here in this bout; Adilbek Niyazybetov V Julio Peraza.


->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVYWvvGCb0M

Not in the least, is the fact that there are elements of Peraza’s style that are not entirely dissimilar to Buatsi’s. Additionally, those elements of Peraza’s style that do differ from Buatsi’s style but were also successful for Peraza when he was in with Niyazybetov, either;


A) May not be too difficult for Buatsi to adopt.
B) Or, at least, Buatsi can analyse them (as no doubt his team already have) and see what it is Buatsi can do that would create the same discomfort for Niyazybetov, as Peraza was able to.

Also, Adilbek Niyazybetov fought Oleksandr Gvozdyk at the 2012 London Olympics too . . . .



So aside from the fact that you would think Buatsi would at least (already) know of Niyazybetov from these earlier Olympic fights that took place in Buatsi’s own backyard a few years ago; this one (Niyazybetov V Gvozdyk);


A) Not only, shows a few things that Niyazybetov was seriously uncomfortable with; but then who wouldn’t be uncomfortable with Gvozdyk on your case like that.
B) But also, it resulted in a very controversial decision in my view. As I simply can't see how the countback was ever required - due to the fact that Gvozdyk so obviously dominated Niyazybetov in my opinion.

Cheers,
Storm. :) :) :)
In that video you see the name of Rouzbahani as one R32 fight for the kazakh, he's been around the WSB circuit and this was his second Olympics (got beaten by the very good Dutch Soldier) and is still relatively young. I think his style is way more suited to the pros than the amateurs with is brutish in your face give no quarter style, but I guess he doesn't have the right people or situation to take him to the pros. Sadly he isn't finding the greatest success in the amateurs any more and he is going to be a talent wasted if he doesn't make the transition soon..


-brownsugar :

As an amateur he's one of the best in the country and always excites the crowds that watch him at work. He is a very menacing puncher. I think he will be snapped up by a UK promoter.. There's a lot of LH action this side of pond to get him to world level and by time he is ready to challenge for a belt the LH division will be opened up enough.. But then again Floyd Mayweather is unique as a boxer and will do his best to charm Buatsie no doubt.. Also Light Fly Uzbek Dustonov who beat Herndandez took gold last night, did not catch the bout but will watch a replay today. One of stand-out performers so far for me.
Warren, and Hearn would probably fight each other in a public six round event to get their hands on Bautsi... there's going to be a big changing of the guard over the next 2-4 years...


-Skibbz :

Warren, and Hearn would probably fight each other in a public six round event to get their hands on Bautsi... there's going to be a big changing of the guard over the next 2-4 years...
I'd say Hearn will sign him up as he's more in the spotlight so far in 2016 and last year too. The change is slowly starting to happen which is great to see, there are several good European fights for Buatsi if he takes Gold, but I'm sure we will have him advertise his skills to the buying public with a few knock-out showcase fights first before those. One to watch for sure.


-Skibbz :

Corruption of AIBA strikes again this time in the Heavyweight final. Kazakh boxer battered the Russian over 3 rounds, but somehow lost the bout! Shocking decision! Twice I have seen russians awarded the W when it clearly should not have been the case, last was in 60kg category Russian vs 2 time Thai olympian who bossed him for 2/3 rounds but lost... They ban entire squads for doping but turn a blind eye to bribes - jeez! Russian was almost hopeless in the second but all the judges gave it to him 10-9, Judge C had him 20-18 up by that point... Then in the final round he finds himself perilously on the back foot being entirely overwhelmed, but again... the judges score him the round and send him a gold medal - i hope its as fake as the judging and made of chocolate... what a sour ending to a good heavyweight competition. he was rocked after being punched all around the ring (and being dropped) for 20 seconds. The referee stops it - but ushers the cut man 45 seconds to work on a cut on the RU's forehead - what a timely intervention... He was running on empty and glassy eyed against a steam train...


-stormcentre :

I saw a highlight reel of Gvozdyk on you tube this morning, could not see your vid for some reason... I like his style ... he looked way more complete than he did in his last outing. Has has "must avoid" written all over himself with that combination punching style. At least at this level.
Yep, (in the video I posted above) Gvozdyk all but completely dominated Niyazybetov, but then got obviously robbed. I actually thought Gvozdyk wore the decision quite well. As I didn't notice any look on his face as if he wanted to show the crowds he was shocked and disappointed with the officiating. I know I would have.
Storm. :) :)


-Radam G :

Corruption of AIBA strikes again this time in the Heavyweight final. Kazakh boxer battered the Russian over 3 rounds, but somehow lost the bout! Shocking decision! Twice I have seen russians awarded the W when it clearly should not have been the case, last was in 60kg category Russian vs 2 time Thai olympian who bossed him for 2/3 rounds but lost... They ban entire squads for doping but turn a blind eye to bribes - jeez! Russian was almost hopeless in the second but all the judges gave it to him 10-9, Judge C had him 20-18 up by that point... Then in the final round he finds himself perilously on the back foot being entirely overwhelmed, but again... the judges score him the round and send him a gold medal - i hope its as fake as the judging and made of chocolate... what a sour ending to a good heavyweight competition. he was rocked after being punched all around the ring (and being dropped) for 20 seconds. The referee stops it - but ushers the cut man 45 seconds to work on a cut on the RU's forehead - what a timely intervention... He was running on empty and glassy eyed against a steam train...
That darn O-games crook-ismbecause of payouts, payoffs, brides and the likes always raises its ugly head. That cowardly syet will mess up a wet dream. Holla!


-stormcentre :

In that video you see the name of Rouzbahani as one R32 fight for the kazakh, he's been around the WSB circuit and this was his second Olympics (got beaten by the very good Dutch Soldier) and is still relatively young. I think his style is way more suited to the pros than the amateurs with is brutish in your face give no quarter style, but I guess he doesn't have the right people or situation to take him to the pros. Sadly he isn't finding the greatest success in the amateurs any more and he is going to be a talent wasted if he doesn't make the transition soon..
Yes it's interesting. I would have thought the WSB circuit may have provided a better advantage than it has. But some fighters experienced with it have not fared as well against others that have no experience with it. The debate whether professionals are better in the Olympics and/or amateurs seems - at least as far as the media is concerned - to have not been fully decided by the Rio Olympics, as there are a few printed reports over here in Australia about it. I know there have been a few professionals that (as BS claimed) have not fared well and struggled with the fast starts and overall pace of 3 x 3 minutes. Not sure if those professional boxers that have already lost represent the majority of professional fighters that entered or not. But then it seems the reports I refer to are claiming that many of the top level professionals existing in the world today have not entered the Olympics; making the debate as to whether professionals are better in the Olympics and/or amateurs, a bit mute. Still you have to wonder what would happen if the Rigondeaux of Lomachenko's of today entered. Cheers,
Storm. :) :) :)


-brownsugar :

Levit (of Kazak) just got robbed of super heavy weight gold tonight, his 6'5" Russian opponent fought well but the 6'1" Levit applied some " JoeFrazier " quality pressure and had his man walking back to his corner at the end of the second round looking woozy like he just left the bar after Happy Hour. Usually I don't place a whole lot of credence into everything Dan Rafael says but even the audience booed the decision. Both of these guys will be going pro immediately after the Olympics.


-Skibbz :

It was a robbery pure and simple. One man was throwing arching hooks and clubbing punches, whilst the other was looking to hold when backed into a corner or on the ropes. He was even knocked over forcing him to touch his gloves to the canvas by a right hand in the final round but the referee ruled it a slip. Still weary legged he took several thunderous left hooks and grabbed on the for umpteenth time of the fight, when referee decided it's time he had a 45 second restbite... To attend to the cut on his forehead that was not hindering his vision one bit. He was booed from the moment he was announced UD winner to the moment he was awarded his medal. Rapturous and adoring applause for the Kazakh who was the deserved winner. What a cruel sport.


-Skibbz :

Yes it's interesting. I would have thought the WSB circuit may have provided a better advantage than it has. But some fighters experienced with it have not fared as well against others that have no experience with it. The debate whether professionals are better in the Olympics and/or amateurs seems - at least as far as the media is concerned - to have not been fully decided by the Rio Olympics, as there are a few printed reports over here in Australia about it. I know there have been a few professionals that (as BS claimed) have not fared well and struggled with the fast starts and overall pace of 3 x 3 minutes. Not sure if those professional boxers that have already lost represent the majority of professional fighters that entered or not. But then it seems the reports I refer to are claiming that many of the top level professionals existing in the world today have not entered the Olympics; making the debate as to whether professionals are better in the Olympics and/or amateurs, a bit mute. Still you have to wonder what would happen if the Rigondeaux of Lomachenko's of today entered. Cheers,
Storm. :) :) :)
Some WSB stars (like the uzbek Dusmatov) have done well - he won all his bouts in the WSB (all 7) - and did likewise in the olympics. Fast becoming one of the hottest prospects in the sport for me. I wish he would turn pro as the lighter divisions would become so incredibly competitive and at 23 he can bide his time until it's right to pounce as he does so often in the ring. Great little fighter. That said I think it puts some fighters firmly in the pro mindset, and they seem unable to become rapid punching AIBA boxers that the olympics demands. Can be certainly said of Rouzbahani who almost gave away the first round of his bout last week. The pro's who did take part did not do very well to say the least. The italian won a single bout, N'dam lost his opener and the thai veteran was battered by his gangly french foe.


-stormcentre :

Some WSB stars (like the uzbek Dusmatov) have done well - he won all his bouts in the WSB (all 7) - and did likewise in the olympics. Fast becoming one of the hottest prospects in the sport for me. I wish he would turn pro as the lighter divisions would become so incredibly competitive and at 23 he can bide his time until it's right to pounce as he does so often in the ring. Great little fighter.
That said I think it puts some fighters firmly in the pro mindset, and they seem unable to become rapid punching AIBA boxers that the olympics demands. Can be certainly said of Rouzbahani who almost gave away the first round of his bout last week. The pro's who did take part did not do very well to say the least. The italian won a single bout, N'dam lost his opener and the thai veteran was battered by his gangly french foe.
Agree.


-Skibbz :

Well wonderfully talented Mick Conlan of Ireland just got robbed against, you guessed it, a Russian boxer. Punched the ears off his opponents in the opener and left him bloodied and bruised by the final bell. In his own words "amateur boxing stinks from the core to the top". Well said.


-Radam G :

Well wonderfully talented Mick Conlan of Ireland just got robbed against, you guessed it, a Russian boxer. Punched the ears off his opponents in the opener and left him bloodied and bruised by the final bell. In his own words "amateur boxing stinks from the core to the top". Well said.
Wow! The darn Russians are making some corrupted officials RICH. Holla!


-Kid Blast :

Now I see what Teddy Atlas was saying in Verona the other night. This stuff reeks of dead fish.


-Skibbz :

It stinks bad. Evening session underway.. Buatsi in his Semi Final bout, and lightweight final which includes a Brazilian... I like the frenchman to win though very rangey and powerful for the division.


-stormcentre :

It's not just Rio. Check the Gvozdyk V Niyazybetov fight I posted above. Whilst not quite as obvious as some Olympic boxing rip offs, it's obvious that Gvozdyk (and not Niyazybetov) won that bout.
Storm. :) :) :)


-stormcentre :

It's not just Rio. Check the Gvozdyk V Niyazybetov fight (at London that) I posted above. Whilst not quite as obvious as some Olympic boxing rip offs, it's obvious that Gvozdyk (and not Niyazybetov) won that bout.
Storm. :) :) :)


-stormcentre :

Well, it looks like Josh Buatsi had some issues with Adilbek Nyazymbetov's southpaw style. Which was why I had highlighted (in earlier posts) how other boxers had dealt with it. Bronze aint too bad though. Sure it's not gold. But, I was not entirely sure that Josh would get past Nyazymbetov. That said, I would not have been disappointed if he had either. Josh seemed to start with the correct offensive approach. But, then he quickly seemed as if he was unable to work out Nyazymbetov's lefty style. I gave the fist and the second round to Nyazymbetov, which placed Buatsi in need of a stoppage in the final round to win. In the last round it was obvious that Nyazymbetov knew he was ahead on points, and as a result he played the game along the lines of just holding that lead in any manner possible. Cheers,
Storm. :) :) :)


-Skibbz :

Well, it looks like Josh Buatsi had some issues with Adilbek Nyazymbetov's southpaw style. Which was why I had highlighted (in earlier posts) how other boxers had dealt with it. Bronze aint too bad though. Sure it's not gold. But, I was not entirely sure that Josh would get past Nyazymbetov. That said, I would not have been disappointed if he had either. Josh seemed to start with the correct offensive approach. But, then he quickly seemed as if he was unable to work out Nyazymbetov's lefty style. I gave the fist and the second round to Nyazymbetov, which placed Buatsi in need of a stoppage in the final round to win. In the last round it was obvious that Nyazymbetov knew he was ahead on points, and as a result he played the game along the lines of just holding that lead in any manner possible. Cheers,
Storm. :) :) :)
He had no answer and only frustrated himself. The Kazakhs had the perfect game plan and worked to perfection so fair play to them. It's going to be a fencing match in the final for them. I scored it the same as you did was quite disappointed but hey that's sports and you do whatever to get your name written as winner.


-Skibbz :

So it's going to be a USA v Cuba final, with Floyd'd latest signing taking on 2012 gold medallist Romeisy Ramirez (an absolutely quality boxer) in the bantam final... Found a nice article written [URL="http://inthiscorner.co.uk/usa-v-cuba-final/">here[/URL] after missing the fight. It's going to be potentially fight of the tournament. Hope you guys can catch it


-brownsugar :

Thanks for staying on top of the action. It's surreal that Floyd's potential top boxing prospect (Shakur) has been tasked with the mission of defeating one of the best Cubans in the entire tournament under the gaze of the original "Cuban-Killer" himself:... Floyd Mayweather Jr, who at the time was the first America to defeat a Cuban at the Olympics in like ....ages. Shaker needed the fight with the Russian to shake off the ring rust of being idle since March. If fact according to Shakur, he was counting on it. Now he goes into the match with the hope that he can can still impress his peers, family, coach, country and the austere hoovering spectre of Floyd who will be undoubtedly hollering instructions from his reserved front row seats. Who knows the presence of TBE may possibly inspire Shakur to excel or maybe the kid already has it within himself to win on his own. Either way it goes its must see TV. I wish the kid the best.. USA USA USA !!!


-Radam G :

So it's going to be a USA v Cuba final, with Floyd'd latest signing taking on 2012 gold medallist Romeisy Ramirez (an absolutely quality boxer) in the bantam final... Found a nice article written [URL="http://inthiscorner.co.uk/usa-v-cuba-final/">here[/URL] after missing the fight. It's going to be potentially fight of the tournament. Hope you guys can catch it
The Yank should win this one against the aged Cuban. Holla!


-Skibbz :

I wish him all the best, one advantage he has going into this bout is he has fought half the number of his opponent... Who although the 2012 gold medallist was w/o a buy as he was #6 seed in a different category... The cuban is wonderfully gifted boxer and he could dance to victory like la cruz did tonight. whoever put their nose ahead in this one will take the gold, that's how I see it going.


-brownsugar :

My expectations for Americans (except for swimming) are always lowered Skibbz which makes even the smallest moral victory a huge deal in my eyes.


-deepwater2 :

I wish him all the best, one advantage he has going into this bout is he has fought half the number of his opponent... Who although the 2012 gold medallist was w/o a buy as he was #6 seed in a different category... The cuban is wonderfully gifted boxer and he could dance to victory like la cruz did tonight. whoever put their nose ahead in this one will take the gold, that's how I see it going.
I was hoping to see The kid from NJ take on Conlon from Ireland but we know what happened there. I hope the kid doesn't get to cute vs the Cuban. It is hard to out Cuban a Cuban ,if that makes sense. First round aggression is a must. He will lose if he doesn't snag that first round.


-Radam G :

I was hoping to see The kid from NJ take on Conlon from Ireland but we know what happened there. I hope the kid doesn't get to cute vs the Cuban. It is hard to out Cuban a Cuban ,if that makes sense. First round aggression is a must. He will lose if he doesn't snag that first round.
I hear ya! The kid has to go old school like SRL, the Spinks brothers, Sweet Pea Whitaker and Meldrick Taylor did the Cubans back in da day. Holla!


-brownsugar :

I wish him all the best, one advantage he has going into this bout is he has fought half the number of his opponent... Who although the 2012 gold medallist was w/o a buy as he was #6 seed in a different category... The cuban is wonderfully gifted boxer and he could dance to victory like la cruz did tonight. whoever put their nose ahead in this one will take the gold, that's how I see it going.
They final showed the Cuban vs the Uzbek... th e Cuban made it look like a pro match... the Kazak fought just like the Siberian Rocky, very predictably.... Shakur Stevenson has a decent chance...their styles are similar, but like what's already been said, Shakur will have to leave his comfort zone......the world is watching....


-stormcentre :

They final showed the Cuban vs the Uzbek... th e Cuban made it look like a pro match... the Kazak fought just like the Siberian Rocky, very predictably.... Shakur Stevenson has a decent chance...their styles are similar, but like what's already been said, Shakur will have to leave his comfort zone......the world is watching....
I actually missed the controversial Conlon V Nikitin bout so if anyone has a link to that fight it would be appreciated. That said, I have actually seen the punch stats for it and they don't seem to suggest a really wide contact/points discrepancy. Put with the fact that - in the Olympic scoring system - no additional advantages or points should have been awarded to Conlon for busting/bruising up Nikitin and making him bleed (many of the considerations that appear to have underpinned some opinions on the suggested miscarriage of justice) . . . I have to ask the question . . . . Do you (or anyone here) think the Conlon V Nikitin bout was corruptively officiated and/or scored? Or was it simply poor scoring? I say that as (according to the relevant Olympic policies/rules) in order to buy out and/or meaningfully influence the judges these days at the Olympics - and whilst it is probably not an impossible task - the fact of the matter is that you would have to play a pretty risky/tricky game. Not in the least, as the judges to each boxing bout are supposedly randomly selected only minutes prior to each bout. This means if you were interested in influencing the outcome of your favorite boxer's bout, you would potentially have to approach almost all the judges and perhaps also other official identities too (constituting a very large section of the Olympic boxing judging panel and their associated Olympic executive identities) just to make sure you had your blanket of influence across all the sections of interest. That approach would almost certainly destroy one of the key criteria for influencing and/or "fixing" sports events. That being, remaining incognito and pulling the puppet strings from the shadows. Interested to see a link to the Conlon V Nikitin fight posted and hear feedback on the outcome of it within the context of the aforementioned considerations.
StormCentre :) :)


-deepwater2 :

TMT has no track record of building superstars or matching their guys in ways that build up the fighters skills and experience. There is a process to season an up and comer the right way. Shakur should sign with the promo outfit that made Floyd a household name. Top rank !


-Skibbz :

Russian Boxer thought he got paid off too... oops.
->https://gyazo.com/4a6bef52b614a0713c321b5bab7a103d


-Radam G :

Buzzing loudly on the pugvine is that the AIBA has fired several referees and judges for suspicions of financial activities. Holla!


-Skibbz :

Shakur boxed way too patient to win the Gold against the experienced Ramirez. Even in the final minute of the bout with both fighters have a round apiece, Stevenson didn't match his opponents pace who was the clear aggressor. It was an odd performance, almost as if he was trying to box a little like Floyd.... I think he will feel as if he didn't leave all of it in the ring after that one...


-Kid Blast :

What's the US MEDAL COUNT IN BOXING? tHANKS


-stormcentre :

To the best of my memory you have . . . . . Bronze: Nico Hern?ndez. Silver: Shakur Stevenson.
Storm. :) :)


-Kid Blast :

To the best of my memory you have . . . . . Bronze: Nico Hern?ndez. Silver: Shakur Stevenson.
Storm. :) :)
Thanks, Storm That is sad


-stormcentre :

It will be interesting to see what, if anything, comes of the AIBA's seemingly punitive (but possibly lip service) actions in relation to referees and/or judges; after the Conlon fight. I still haven't seen that fight.
Storm. :) :)


-Radam G :

Wow! The world has passed up the USA in male boksing. I guess the late, great GOAT Ali's grandson Nico will finally win a gold medal in male boksing in 2020 in Tokyo since SOG Ward has last done it in 2004. Holla!


-Radam G :

Buzzing loudly on the pugvine is that the AIBA has fired several referees and judges for suspicions of financial activities. Holla!
The pros that were let in the games didn't do syet. It was a darn shame that so many pugs got robbed.
->https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t9KS1P8bCtk. Holla!


-Skibbz :

Thanks, Storm That is sad
better than London 2012... Both medallists came up against two of the stand out performers - the Uzbek Hasanboy Dusmatov just signed with Saffie promotions Golden Gloves. I do love South Africa, great wine, great food.. and now my new favourite boxer!


-Skibbz :

Also something I picked up on watching both medallists now that I recall - they both fought extremely patiently in their losing bouts.. Something to think about and adjust perhaps.


-Skibbz :

Forget her name but a US MW just won her second gold.. Impressive stuff. back to back from london to rio.


-stormcentre :

Well, after looking at the fight it seems there has been a lot of hype and perhaps some unnecessary hype about the decision. Nikitin was not all that visually busted up at the end of the fight. And that's despite suggestions and images from some reports and articles that suggested a robbery was in place and also that the decision even betrayed how beaten up Nikitin looked. It was a brilliant 3 rounds by both fighters. During the bout there was an awful lot of blocked punches and official slaps, that, in amateur (and particularly Olympic) boxing terms, could be either;


A) Mistakenly scored by ringside judges.
B) Correctly not scored by ringside judges.

This alone could lead to (or be argued to be responsible for) any points/scoring discrepancy and/or controversy.

That said, you can hear the commentator at the end of the 1st round begin to talk about it in terms of a clear win for Conlon and then quickly change tact, once the scores are released. The same happens later in the fight also. Conlon was probably the technically superior bantamweight. He is almost as polished in the skills and courage department, as an amateur can get. And I think most judges at ringside would struggle to explain how they all scored the first round for Nikitin. As, in my view Conlon won that round quite clearly. Conlon threw a beautiful assortment of punches and displayed excellent footwork and, at times, he also showed great defensive skills; and when you display all those skills - all things being equal - it's difficult to not impress the judges. Or, at least it should be. But perhaps the judges saw that Nikitin made Conlon fight his fight. It's not an argument or viewpoint entirely without merit. Conlon has that Irish blood in him and (perhaps unwisely) he wanted to "out-trade" Nikitin at his own game. It was not a clever choice in my view. As within the first round it was obvious that Conlon's long and medium distance game (combined with his movement) seemed to be putting Nikitin through the meat grinder. But Nikitin caught up to Conlon (on more than one occasion) and for whatever reason Conlon then seemed to fight the fight that both served Nikitin better and paid no respect to Conlon's best attributes and chances of success. Additionally, Nikitin did some excellent work on the inside too; especially in round 3. Sometimes Nikitin clearly landed the harder/cleaner punches whilst at the same time stifling Conlon's. All up . . . . This one is really hard to score and as such if it is a robbery it's not in the league of what happened to Roy Jones and some others. My main concerns about are not entirely that Conlon lost (although I think it could have gone either way), more;


A) How no judge scored any round for Conlon.

That is suspicious but possibly explained by the above comments.


B) Conlon's conduct afterwards; that was unbefitting of someone representing their country.

In an earlier post (#24) within this thread . . .


->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?272163302-U-S-Oympic-Boxing-Notebook-Nico-Hernandez-Breaks-Medal-Drought&p=101780&viewfull=1#post101780

I posted a bout between Adilbek Niyazybetov and Oleksandr Gvozdyk from the 2012 London Olympics. The decision associated with that bout was obviously more suspicious than Nikitin V Conlon and Gvozdyk didn't act like Conlon.



Cheers,
Storm. :) :)