Is “Canelo” Alvarez Getting Bad Advice From Oscar and GBP?

Former WBC middleweight champion Saul “Canelo” Alvarez and his promoter Golden Boy announced last week that Alvarez was vacating his middleweight title. The press release stated that they would continue to pursue a fight with Gennady Golovkin but that they would not be forced to adhere to any dates or deadlines by the WBC as they negotiate.

Since then, Alvarez and GBP have met with nearly universal derision from the boxing world. Yes, the WBC had given Alvarez and GBP a deadline of May 24th to come to an agreement with “Triple G” but it was clear that Alvarez vs. Golovkin is the match that the public is screaming for and the early rhetoric from the Alvarez camp was that he wanted the big money fight with Golovkin. Despite the wording of the press release, relinquishing the belt at 160 lbs makes Alvarez and the match less appealing to Golovkin and much less likely to happen.

Alvarez has been at the end of a lot of negative publicity lately. The entire build-up to the Amir Khan fight saw all parties scrambling to justify the fight. A lot of energy was spent to sell the match with Khan, who at the end of the day was two weight classes smaller and was known for having a glass jaw. When the fight went down pretty much as everyone thought it would, and Alvarez did not look all that great, there were a lot of people who let the fight slide because Alvarez reiterated his commitment to fighting Golovkin in the post- fight press conferences.

But what Alvarez said was not important. What was important is the words his handlers at Golden Boy were putting out there and their long-term plan they were beginning to reveal.

Harken back to October of last year and the Gennady Golovkin versus David Lemieux fight. De La Hoya put in a lot of work hyping Lemieux, shamelessly claiming six of his female relatives were watching the fight because of Lemieux’s good looks. The reaction was more subdued in the post-fight conference after Lemieux had succumbed to Golovkin’s withering attack without showing much of anything.

Lemieux was back for the undercard of Alvarez-Khan, and presumably as handsome as ever. Before the fight GBP crony Bernard Hopkins stated “Canelo has a lot of options.” and the first of the options he mentioned was Lemieux. The plan appears to have been to avoid Golovkin and fight David Lemieux in the fall of 2016 all along.

Lemieux was given a credible opponent that he dominated in Glen Tapia, but the match ended in a weird and unsatisfactory way. Tapia was dropped but he got up immediately. Despite his wanting to continue, both the referee and his corner stepped in and stopped the fight, giving Lemieux a win bereft of any highlights. It is safe to say no one watching the pay-per-view said “I want to see him fight Alvarez next, forget “Triple G.”  No one but Oscar and company.

De La Hoya and his sidekick Hopkins always couch their rhetoric with talk about being “for the fighters” and it all sounds very good. Especially when you consider it comes from two heralded, iconic boxers of the modern era. Nowadays, a lot of the time they appear to be morphing into bad salesmen. The talk has changed in tone and a lot of what is being said is contradictory to previous statements.

Take the following diatribe from Oscar around the time Miguel Cotto vacated the same WBC title in 2015: “It’s a disgrace. It’s a disgrace to the promotion, it’s a disgrace to the sport to do something like that. Every fighter dreams of fighting for the WBC middleweight championship.”

Compare that to De La Hoya’s talk after “Canelo” vacated the very same WBC belt. “There is no denying that Canelo is the biggest star in the sport of boxing. He is eager to get in the ring with ‘GGG’ to show the world that he is also the best pound for pound fighter in the sport, but we won’t negotiate under a forced deadline. Now that the WBC title is off the table, I am hopeful that ‘GGG’ and his promoter K2 Promotions will come to the table in good faith and get this deal done.”

After the retirement of Floyd Mayweather Jr. Alvarez has emerged as boxing’s top drawing card, as Oscar De La Hoya and GBP now tell you at every turn. Though this may be the case, Alvarez has certainly not come close to earning what Mayweather did and there can be no doubt that boxing’s ceiling is a long elevator ride down from the penthouse that Mayweather crafted. Oscar seems to have missed out on the reality check, and that is that Alvarez basically got the label by default, and he could quickly lose it because of bad management.

Granted the farce that is the WBC and all the belt-selling organizations becomes clear in this mess as well. They are not indicative of who is the best; they are powerless middle men scrounging for a buck. So Alvarez and company were in relatively safe territory giving up the WBC’s trinket. But here is an interesting question – would they have been so brazen as to leave HBO had the cable giant imposed a deadline to make the match with Golovkin?

A brief review of the history betweeen “Canelo” and Golden Boy sees that Alvarez left his Mexican promoter All-Star Boxing for GBP and the two groups have been involved in a lawsuit that has dragged out nearly four years already. Those four years have seen Alvarez’s fights make hundreds of millions of dollars and the young man is both rich and famous so to a certain extent Golden Boy can say “mission accomplished”.

Alvarez may now return to the 154 pound weight class and matches with the likes of Erislandy Lara and Jermall Charlo potentially await. Those would be quality wins for his record, but neither man brings the “big fight” excitement that a match with Golovkin would. Beating Golovkin would  allow him to claim the #1 pound for pound spot and certify his claim to being boxing’s top draw. Even if he loses to Golovkin, it has a good chance of being one of those losses that elevates a fighter due to a heroic effort

Look no further than England’s Anthony Joshua as a potential replacement as boxing’s top draw. The giant heavyweight has the tools and charisma to be a cross-over star and he does not appear to be hampered by flaky management. There are others.

COMMENTS

-Radam G :

WOW! In two words -- HECK NO -- Canelo is not getting bad advice from Big Money Oscar and/or the GBP! We are in the business -- adorably called bitnezz -- of prizefighting, not jump-and-fight-when-I-tell-you-to corrupted sanctioning alphabet soup organizations. And why did the author of this piece go in on disrespecting businessman/boxing promotion entrepreneur, future Hall of Famer B-Hop? OMFG! He is a legit minority owner of GBP, not a "crony." Unless I'm ignorant of the meaning of that word, or is the author being a bit hyperbolic? I think that we are seeing GBP, Team Canelo and unseen players putting in the work to get some mad pay for a Canelo scrap and a beat down of 3g when the scrap is eventually made. That is if Team 3g cut out the covert bullsyet backing out and then making it appear as if Canelo is scare of a big, bad boogie man from the Caucus Mountains. And is buck dancing. And hypocritically prancing. Holla!


-KO Digest :

Excellent example of calling it like it is Miguel.


-miguel1 :

Ok cool Radam, I like it. Here is the deal - the way they have done what you claim is by putting their guy in a bad light that is all I am saying. Everyone from Mexico to the TexMex on the Vegas strip is saying the same thing and the people presenting his case charge forward with no caution with the same part line. We will see who he eventually fights next. Im not disprespecting B-Hop either, just pointing out how contrived the company line is at GBP. The line could read "business partner and crony" or "Part owner and crony" as a better explanation, but crony simply means friend or companion.


-KO Digest :

Oscar is in a terminally unique position. He's a boxing promoter (i.e. professional bullshit artist) in recovery from addiction/alcoholism, a journey that requires rigorous honesty if one expects to be successful and sober for life. As a promoter, Oscar lies like it's his job, because it is. This is an internal conflict, one without a resolution. There is collateral damage. In truth, Canelo deserves a better promoter, one not so codependent upon him. It's a very unhealthy relationship and boxing fans are paying the price for it while Oscar shits all over the middleweight championship in one stunning display of hypocrisy after the next. My advice to Oscar: Go get well. You are HURTING your fighter.


-miguel1 :

Oscar is in a terminally unique position. He's a boxing promoter (i.e. professional bullshit artist) in recovery from addiction/alcoholism, a journey that requires rigorous honesty if one expects to be successful and sober for life. As a promoter, Oscar lies like it's his job, because it is. This is an internal conflict, one without a resolution. There is collateral damage. In truth, Canelo deserves a better promoter, one not so codependent upon him. It's a very unhealthy relationship and boxing fans are paying the price for it while Oscar shits all over the middleweight championship in one stunning display of hypocrisy after the next. My advice to Oscar: Go get well. You are HURTING your fighter.
That was well said, and it is definitely on my mind. I know something about the dependence on chemicals and I do feel Oscar still struggles with it. I think it shows in some of his public appearances. No one said it, but it is a VERY strong possibility that he was high when he challenged Golovkin and put up instagram pics of his six pack stomach. Radam I respect your insights into the sport and always appreciate your ability to lift up the curtains. But what you are saying is that we are watching a careful orchestration designed to cash in later, and that type of thing is hard and delicate to pull off. What is see is more a clusterfuge..... (replace the "ge" with "ck" if you please)


-KO Digest :

Recall also that Oscar had to withdraw from Mayweather-Canelo to go to rehab. He is a LIABILITY to Alvarez, a brave, skilled fighter who's being badly misled...


-Radam G :

Ok cool Radam, I like it. Here is the deal - the way they have done what you claim is by putting their guy in a bad light that is all I am saying. Everyone from Mexico to the TexMex on the Vegas strip is saying the same thing and the people presenting his case charge forward with no caution with the same part line. We will see who he eventually fights next. Im not disprespecting B-Hop either, just pointing out how contrived the company line is at GBP. The line could read "business partner and crony" or "Part owner and crony" as a better explanation, but crony simply means friend or companion.
C'mon, M1! That is just talk. But even if BMO and the GBP were putting Canelo in semi dim light, "Everyone from Mexico to the TexMex" to the CaliMex, to the AriMex, to the ColoMex to the OkieMex to the KanMex to the NMMex to the IllMex to the P-IslandsMex are suspicious of 3g. And are not like loose like fingers, but are tight like a fist for what is really going on. They are all in for Canelo. Peeps say one thing publicly, but believe some else privately. Ev'ybodee and dey momma know the fake negotiations and bullying that go on with Team 3G. I can find umpteen YouTube and Daily Motion videos of how Team 3g was jive negotiating with Andre "SOG" Ward and even lazy, weed-smoking Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. You know dat da game is full of optical illusions on the whole of fighting and negotiations. Team 3g doesn't want this work just yet. So they are messing up minds of the marginal fans and catch-the-Superfight ones. The "BIG DRAMA" boogie man has not fought a threating opponent since he lost in the 04 O-games. I know that he is not that fast. Canelo is faster with his hands. And Canelo hits just as hard as 3g. Ask Trainer Abel Sanchez? Three g is going to be in a real pro fight since Canelo used to deal with him in sparring sessions. Holla!


-Radam G :

Recall also that Oscar had to withdraw from Mayweather-Canelo to go to rehab. He is a LIABILITY to Alvarez, a brave, skilled fighter who's being badly misled...
Syet happens! A man can sink as low as dirt, dust and bone and burn up. But like a mythical Phoenix, he can rise from the ashes, dust, dirt and bones, and soar to never thought of heights. Go BMO! Holla!


-KO Digest :

Oscar lied for how many years about the coked out fishnet pix?


-Radam G :

Oscar lied for how many years about the coked out fishnet pix?
YUP! He lied for bit. As a whole lot of people in all professions and facets of life have done that sh?t. He who has not sin, throw the first stone! That is what I thought! In the sinless group, none of us belong. And we can all be be bought. Holla!


-SouthPawFlo :

No Oscar knows that Canelo is the biggest star in boxing and he has Leverage in negotiations so he can starve GGG out.... No matter who Canelo fights next it's gonna be a PPV fight while GGG is a HBO fighter trying to find the part of the country where he is the most marketable... Canelo vs Mayweather/Pacquiao is 10x bigger than Canelo vs GGG and canelo can Lure Cotto in for another payday, Canelo vs Lemieux will sell, Canelo vs Chavez Jr. will be a fight in a couple years that will sell out cowboys stadium... Canelo and GBP has plenty of options


-Kid Blast :

WOW! In two words -- HECK NO -- Canelo is not getting bad advice from Big Money Oscar and/or the GBP! We are in the business -- adorably called bitnezz -- of prizefighting, not jump-and-fight-when-I-tell-you-to corrupted sanctioning alphabet soup organizations. And why did the author of this piece go in on disrespecting businessman/boxing promotion entrepreneur, future Hall of Famer B-Hop? OMFG! He is a legit minority owner of GBP, not a "crony." Unless I'm ignorant of the meaning of that word, or is the author being a bit hyperbolic? I think that we are seeing GBP, Team Canelo and unseen players putting in the work to get some mad pay for a Canelo scrap and a beat down of 3g when the scrap is eventually made. That is if Team 3g cut out the covert bullsyet backing out and then making it appear as if Canelo is scare of a big, bad boogie man from the Caucus Mountains. And is buck dancing. And hypocritically prancing. Holla!
exactly


-stormcentre :

C'mon, M1! That is just talk. But even if BMO and the GBP were putting Canelo in semi dim light, "Everyone from Mexico to the TexMex" to the CaliMex, to the AriMex, to the ColoMex to the OkieMex to the KanMex to the NMMex to the IllMex to the P-IslandsMex are suspicious of 3g. And are not like loose like fingers, but are tight like a fist for what is really going on. They are all in for Canelo. Peeps say one thing publicly, but believe some else privately. Ev'ybodee and dey momma know the fake negotiations and bullying that go on with Team 3G. I can find umpteen YouTube and Daily Motion videos of how Team 3g was jive negotiating with Andre "SOG" Ward and even lazy, weed-smoking Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. You know dat da game is full of optical illusions on the whole of fighting and negotiations. Team 3g doesn't want this work just yet. So they are messing up minds of the marginal fans and catch-the-Superfight ones. The "BIG DRAMA" boogie man has not fought a threating opponent since he lost in the 04 O-games. I know that he is not that fast. Canelo is faster with his hands. And Canelo hits just as hard as 3g. Ask Trainer Abel Sanchez? Three g is going to be in a real pro fight since Canelo used deal with him in sparring sessions. Holla!
I think, over here . . .
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?26574-Stop-Crying-About-Canelo-Not-Fighting-Golovkin-Do-Something-About-It&p=97952&viewfull=1#post97952 I wrote about . . . ""fictions plucked from the air and garnished with an endless array of cringe-worthy lines consisting of useless dialogue and false narratives"". And, hey, surprise, surprise, it came true. :) :)


-Kid Blast :

The correlation between purse earning and Canelo's next few fights will answer the question posed in the title to this article. I'm betting that the correlation will show no reduction in Canelo's popularity.


-Domenic :

This is exhibit A why boxing is screaming for a commission to oversee everything (I think McCain sponsored something like this 15 or so years ago; caveat, I'm not being political, let's just get that out there, simply stating facts). Ok, let's look at the UFC. I'm a lukewarm fan, tune in for the so-called big ones, and relentlessly try to convince my buddies that this pales in comparison to boxing. But what does it have that boxing lacks? The top guys square off. Jon Jones can't say, no can do, not facing that guy. He'll be stripped! Lambaste the UFC all you will, but they have a true pecking order and contender status. Boxing needs UNAMBIGUOUS, defined champions, fewer weight limits, pensions, health insurance, all of it. Can you imagine the Golden State Warriors tonight saying, 'you know what, OKC is too dangerous, we'll play Philly though?' That's boxing. And the crazy thing is, people applaud it (GREAT business decision by Canelo, YES! My hero, he avoided Golovkin). It's poison for the sport's health. It's just beyond comprehension to me.


-stormcentre :

You're right Dom. There's much less ability to easily duck, swerve, and dive in MMA. Also, when fans go to watch a decent MMA title bout the suspense and/or the unknown is still there; unlike boxing. Boxings' origins are rooted in the kinds of emotions and anticipations of fans that experience suspense, horror, shock, and awe. As years ago you didn't always know how many rounds the boxing match went for, who would wilt, and whether someone would end up with a grotesque injury or even die. And, as horrible as that may be, that made boxing wildly popular and exciting; for both spectators and participants. Rarely - by comparison to today - did the top guys evade each other. And of they did, it would not have gone on as routinely and widely as it happens today. When MMA first hit the screens it had that same element. And, that occurred at a time the boxing was losing and/or had lost that element, whilst at the same time it was also quite full to the brim with contender-level participants that obviously had not learned all the required skills. The thing is . . . With a top MMA title fight - to most combat sports fans - there usually is a greater chance that something unexpected and violent is going to happen. And, amongst many other factors, that is something boxing - especially the way it is now - is going to struggle to overcome. Not in the least, as many top fighters can easily avoid each in the first instance, and then there is the case that even if that has (or has not) happened . . . The fight's outcome is sometimes still a foregone conclusion and comparatively uneventful. Should I mention also that MMA usually has far less;


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Weight divisions.
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Cross-promotional interests.
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Prize money.
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Ability for the fighter to do anything other than fight who is next and deservingly inline.

Than boxing. Perhaps, the main things that MMA has more than boxing is its ability to reliably deliver blood/violence and the unknown in contests. That and a higher percentage - if that is possible - of competitors using PEDS. I still prefer to watch two well skilled boxers though. But that doesn't mean I don't understand the rationale behind MMA's success . . . Which surely also includes the fact that - contrary to what most boxing purists I know previously thought - during most circumstances, except where the rules are strictly boxing (so that includes the street, in the ring/cage . . et al) the MMA guy will not only usually win - but those skills will prove themselves to have a better practical application. And, as much as I may not like that, it is hard to honestly deny.
Storm. :) :) :)


-stormcentre :

You're right Dom. There's much less ability to easily duck, swerve, and dive in MMA. Also, when fans go to watch a decent MMA title bout the suspense and/or the unknown is still there; unlike boxing. Boxings' origins are rooted in the kinds of emotions and anticipations of fans that experience suspense, horror, shock, and awe. As years ago you didn't always know how many rounds the boxing match went for, who would wilt, and whether someone would end up with a grotesque injury or even die. And, as horrible as that may be, that made boxing wildly popular and exciting; for both spectators and participants. Rarely - by comparison to today - did the top guys evade each other. And of they did, it would not have gone on as routinely and widely as it happens today. When MMA first hit the screens it had that same element. And, that occurred at a time the boxing was losing and/or had lost that element, whilst at the same time it was also quite full to the brim with contender-level participants that obviously had not learned all the required skills. The thing is . . . With a top MMA title fight - to most combat sports fans - there usually is a greater chance that something unexpected and violent is going to happen. And, amongst many other factors, that is something boxing - especially the way it is now - is going to struggle to overcome. Not in the least, as many top fighters can easily avoid each in the first instance, and then there is the case that even if that has (or has not) happened . . . The fight's outcome is sometimes still a foregone conclusion and comparatively uneventful. Should I mention also that MMA usually has far less;


-
Weight divisions.
-
Cross-promotional interests.
-
Prize money.
-
Ability for the fighter to do anything other than fight who is next and deservingly inline.

Than boxing. Perhaps, the main things that MMA has more than boxing is its ability to reliably deliver blood/violence and the unknown in contests. That and a higher percentage - if that is possible - of competitors using PEDS. I still prefer to watch two well skilled boxers though. But that doesn't mean I don't understand the rationale behind MMA's success . . . Which surely also includes the fact that - contrary to what most boxing purists I know previously thought - during most circumstances, except where the rules are strictly boxing (so that includes the street, in the ring/cage . . et al) the MMA guy will not only usually win - but those skills will prove themselves to have a better practical application. And, as much as I may not like that, it is hard to honestly deny.
Storm. :) :) :)


-stormcentre :

You're right Dom. There's much less ability to easily duck, swerve, and dive in MMA. Also, when fans go to watch a decent MMA title bout the suspense and/or the unknown is still there; unlike boxing. Boxings' origins are rooted in the kinds of emotions and anticipations of fans that love to experience suspense, horror, shock, and awe; in a violent production. As years ago you didn't always know how many rounds the boxing match went for, who would wilt, and whether someone would end up with a grotesque injury or even die. And, as horrible as that may be, that made boxing wildly popular and exciting; for both spectators and participants. Rarely - by comparison to today - did the top guys evade each other. And of they did, it would not have gone on as routinely and widely as it happens today. When MMA first hit the screens it had that same element. And, that occurred at a time the boxing was losing and/or had lost that element, whilst at the same time it was also quite full to the brim with contender-level participants that obviously had not learned all the required skills. The thing is . . . With a top MMA title fight - to most combat sports fans - there usually is a greater chance that something unexpected and violent is going to happen. And, amongst many other factors, that is something boxing - especially the way it is now - is going to struggle to overcome. Not in the least, as many top fighters can easily avoid each in the first instance, and then there is the case that even if that has (or has not) happened . . . The fight's outcome is sometimes still a foregone conclusion and comparatively uneventful. Should I mention also that MMA usually has far less;


-
Weight divisions.
-
Cross-promotional interests.
-
Prize money.
-
Ability for the fighter to do anything other than fight who is next and deservingly inline.

Than boxing. Perhaps, the main things that MMA has more than boxing is its ability to reliably deliver blood/violence and the unknown in contests. That and a higher percentage - if that is possible - of competitors using PEDS. I still prefer to watch two well skilled boxers though. But that doesn't mean I don't understand the rationale behind MMA's success . . . Which surely also includes the fact that - contrary to what most boxing purists I know previously thought - during most circumstances, except where the rules are strictly boxing (so that includes the street, in the ring/cage . . et al) the MMA guy will not only usually win - but those skills will prove themselves to have a better practical application. And, as much as I may not like that, it is hard to honestly deny.
Storm. :) :) :)


-KO Digest :

That's interesting Miguel. I never really considered that Oscar might be using again. Makes sense when you look at the behavior and the choices. Canelo is to Oscar a mind altering drug. Time to stop getting used... #BetterCallSaul


-Radam G :

That's interesting Miguel. I never really considered that Oscar might be using again. Makes sense when you look at the behavior and the choices. Canelo is to Oscar a mind altering drug. Time to stop getting used... #BetterCallSaul
Hehehe! OMFG! Nice JOKE! "Canelo is to Oscar a mind altering drug." Hahaha! It must be hard as heck to be a red-haired Mexican. Hehehe! Now dude is something for druggies to get off on. FMOC! Canelo is one expensive fix for Big Money Oscar, according to your hypothesis. YUP! If BMO is metaphorically snorting Canelo like cocaine, BMO is insane. Hehehe! LMAO! Holla!


-KO Digest :

Codependency for addicts is no joke, it's very real.


-Radam G :

Codependency for addicts is no joke, it's very real.
Agreed! But BMO is likely a success story. There are rare ones who beat addictions. You guys are going in hard on BMO. Dude know how to beat the odds. Winner is all up in his essence, soul and grill. Holla!


-FrankieDallas :

Part of the Samurai Bushido Code states "Understand profit and loss in all things". Whoever thinks Canelo will get big PPV paydays in bouts with Lara and Charlo....I want what you're smoking. Alvarez would have made more money in ONE FIGHT with GGG than he will in his next three bouts with nobodies. If that's what you think is good bidness.....;) And how can you put a value on the loss to his prestige? A victory (or even a great performance in a loss) to GGG would have put him up there with JC Chavez and the other Mexican boxing gods...whereas now he is approaching Margarito territory. He is deep in Pollo territory now. I that is good "business advice", you can keep it.


-Radam G :

Part of the Samurai Bushido Code states "Understand profit and loss in all things". Whoever thinks Canelo will get big PPV paydays in bouts with Lara and Charlo....I want what you're smoking. Alvarez would have made more money in ONE FIGHT with GGG than he will in his next three bouts with nobodies. If that's what you think is good bidness.....;) And how can you put a value on the loss to his prestige? A victory (or even a great performance in a loss) to GGG would have put him up there with JC Chavez and the other Mexican boxing gods...whereas now he is approaching Margarito territory. He is deep in Pollo territory now. I that is good "business advice", you can keep it.
Wow! FrankieDallas, share what you are eating. Three g is not a PPV drawing power. Canelo will draw about the same amount of soft fans with a scrap with 3g that he will draw with Lara and Charlo. Only hardcore fans know of 3g. Dude has fought nothing but drop shots. No fault of his own. The middleweight division is the weakest ever. Three g ain't BIG except for his self-proclaimed "BIG DRAMA!" Of course his hardcore admirers love him to death with their last breath. And this because he is kayoing muthasuckas of his division. Never mind that they are delusional and as syet. Such as the drop-shot who said that he was "a thug" and was going to beat 3g because of it. And don't for the relative of Willie "The Worm" Monroe. Dude said that he was going to beat 3g because boksing was in his blood. Hehe! So what! If it is not in your fist and brain, you cannot do syet. Holla!