Stop Crying About Canelo Not Fighting Golovkin; Do Something About It

Ever since lineal middleweight title holder Saul “Canelo” Alvarez 47-1-1 (33) demolished Amir Khan in his last fight earlier this month, and then announced that he’s relinquishing his WBC title, the boxing world has been going crazy. Alvarez, who says he’s giving up the WBC belt because he doesn’t want to be dictated to by the organization, isn’t getting the benefit of the doubt from a majority of the boxing media and fans. Most believe the real reason he’s pulling a Riddick Bowe with the belt is because he fears and doesn’t want to face the perceived alpha fighter in the middleweight division, multiple belt holder Gennady Golovkin 35-0 (32).

As usual the fans and media are crying their hearts out that Alvarez is depriving them of the fight they most want to see — although in my view Andre Ward 29-0 (15) versus Sergey Kovalev 29-0-1 (26) is a far more intriguing and more difficult fight to handicap than a bout between Alvarez and Golovkin. However, HBO and the likes have continually belabored how Alvarez-Golovkin is must-see, much in the same way they did regarding the six year build- up before we finally realized a dud better known as Mayweather-Pacquiao.

In case you’ve missed it, with the absence of Floyd Mayweather from the current boxing scene, Canelo is the biggest draw in the sport. What constitutes a fighter being a big draw? Well, it’s a simple deduction – said fighter announces who he’s fighting and then the receipts are tabulated. Canelo fought a junior welterweight in his last bout as a heavy favorite and the fight was a moderate success financially, and that was despite the fact that there wasn’t a single boxing observer who knew anything worth knowing about ring combat who gave Khan a snowball’s chance to win. Opposed to Golovkin, whose only PPV bout as the headliner against a legitimate and hard punching opponent in David Lemieux, ended up being a financial disaster, registering roughly 150,000 buys. That’s fascinating! Fans and writers praise Golovkin as being the next great must-see fighter, yet they didn’t turn out to see him fight a real opponent when they had to pay for it. And that’s the reason why I’m tired of hearing writers and fans cry like a baby because Alvarez is ducking Golovkin.

Every time Golovkin and Alvarez fight from this point on, both will be asked when they’re going to face the other after the bout. In the interim most fans and pundits will praise GGG for being the man and they’ll ridicule Alvarez for being a coward and more businessman than fighter. And while doing that they’ll continue to pay to watch Alvarez, who really should fight Golovkin while the fight remains hot, because he could easily be upset by some of the up and coming junior middleweights nipping at his heels, all the while they’ll be watching Golovkin on HBO.

To a lesser degree pro boxing at the highest level is like the NFL; in other words its bullet proof. Most NFL fans will watch any game if it is on television; it doesn’t have to involve their favorite or home team. They just love football. When it comes to elite fighters who have a broad following, the same holds true. If you doubt that – explain the phenomenon of Floyd Mayweather and why he was such a huge draw. Mayweather seldom, if ever, fought who the fans most wanted to see him fight. His fights weren’t terribly exciting and because of when they were made there was never a doubt regarding the outcome, with the possible exception of when he fought Diego Corrales.

I get it; hardcore boxing fans want to see the best fight the best. We shouldn’t have to beg and plead with these guys in order for them to fight the opponents we most want to see them touch gloves with. If that applies to you, here’s an unsolicited suggestion…Don’t buy another Alvarez bout until he fights Golovkin! If you stand your ground Alvarez will have no choice but to fight him. What do you think would happen if Alvarez fought one of the Charlo brothers in his next bout and it only did 90,000 buys? I’ll tell you what would happen – Oscar De La Hoya would be flying out to meet with Tom Loeffler trying to make the match.

Sadly fans have a short memory. For six years the media and the fans tried to badger and embarrass Mayweather into fighting Pacquiao and it didn’t work. After Mayweather made his comeback against Juan Manuel Marquez, a bout between him and Pacquiao was an instant blockbuster. Yet Floyd milked the public for seven more bouts and probably close to $150 million dollars before he finally agreed to fight Pacquiao. And the reason for that was simple, the fans finally got tired of being gouged and ripped off and basically revolted against him fighting anybody else but Pacquiao. The only sad part about that was, it took them paying for seven bouts in which there was never a doubt about the outcome before they finally caught on.

Alvarez doesn’t have the cachet and following that Mayweather did, but he’s the biggest draw today and can pocket millions for fighting anybody he wants because there’s a core constituent of fans who will pay for his bouts regardless of the opponent. So don’t blame Canelo for trying to push back a bout with the fighter who is the biggest threat to beat him. By waiting it out, Golovkin ages and Alvarez accumulates more money if fans continue to buy his future bouts. That’s smart on Alvarez’s part and if he can continue to get over like Floyd did, why would he stop?

Floyd Mayweather was TBE at managing his career and manipulating the media and fans. In the biggest fight of his career, you were ripped off after a six-year wait. Had fans stopped buying his fights after he fought Victor Ortiz, he would’ve fought Pacquiao in his next bout or two instead of Miguel Cotto and Robert Guerrero.

If you’re one of the fans crying in your cereal because Alvarez won’t fight Golovkin, how about showing your displeasure with your wallet by not buying his next bout. Wake up! Believe it or not you can force his hand by not showing up for his future bouts instead of paying and then being fed a song and a dance why the fight with Golovkin can’t happen. But its nonsense saying Alvarez is afraid of Golovkin. Canelo was fighting grown men at age 15; he’s not afraid of anybody, he’s making a business decision.

It’s amazing how much even seasoned viewers fail to understand that fighters, past a certain point of accomplishment, are never afraid to fight anyone. I’m not saying that I’ve never seen it, but it’s very rare that a fighter is genuinely scared.  And their fear, when there is some, is almost always about not wanting to be embarrassed in front of people.

For the record, Alvarez-Golovkin excites me about as much as Mayweather-Pacquiao did, meaning that because I had to watch, I did, but for no other reason. Like Mayweather-Pacquiao, the outcome is a given if it happens in the next year, the only question is…does it go the distance or end by stoppage?

Frank Lotierzo can be contacted at GlovedFist@Gmail.com

 

 

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-Kid Blast :

Frank is back with a BANG! This was a very well thought out and objective.


-Domenic :

Great article and yes, I agree with the boycott 100%. Obviously it's a business, and prize not pridefighting, get it. But there's a certain allure to being the TRUE undisputed middleweight champ that money can't buy.


-Gabrielito :

Canelo is Chavez Jr; he wants to make boxing about him and his comfortable weight. And he can do that, as Frank points out, we pay him. It makes Canelo look poor when he runs his mouth to GGG after knocking over poor Kahn. One question: How would Kahn do against triple G?


-Radam G :

I'm not with F-Lo on this one. Lightning will not strike twice. Canelo will not have a torn rotator cup, and the corrupted NSAC will not deny him from taking medical shots and vitamin water if he did, while letting 3g take TUE IVs and syet. Unlike lil Floyd ruling the corrupted knuckleheads of Sin City, Canelo will have a legitimate shot to win because 3g has had a weak division. He should be knocking out those weakling. Holla!


-SuperLight :

Great article and yes, I agree with the boycott 100%. Obviously it's a business, and prize not pridefighting, get it. But there's a certain allure to being the TRUE undisputed middleweight champ that money can't buy.
Totally agree with you. The real middleweight title is historically probably second in prestige only to the heavyweight. And I don't think many people know who the heavyweight champs are these days. I'd respect Alvarez a lot more if he took on Golovkin, win or lose, than chucking his belt. Is his "abdication" really better for business than the alternative? Assuming he lost, is the big L so damaging for a career? He lost to Mayweather a few years ago, and still has a huge fan base.


-Radam G :

Totally agree with you. The real middleweight title is historically probably second in prestige only to the heavyweight. And I don't think many people know who the heavyweight champs are these days. I'd respect Alvarez a lot more if he took on Golovkin, win or lose, than chucking his belt. Is his "abdication" really better for business than the alternative? Assuming he lost, is the big L so damaging for a career? He lost to Mayweather a few years ago, and still has a huge fan base.
Wow! You guys have no idea of how the politicks of da game operates. YUP! Canelo did the right thing. Team 3g are great bullsyetters, as is the alphabet-soup sanctioning organizations. Pugs vacate these corrupted organizations on da reg. So why is Canelo being singled out by certain fans? There was zero noise when Tim Bradley dumped his WBO belt instead of fighting the hyped-up Sadam Ali, who then got owned by Jesse Vargas, who is now negotiating with IBF Kell Brook, who diva Amir Khan ducked. And got his arse KTFO by Canelo. And then start bytching that Canelo should fight 3G next. GTFOH! Canelo is not a slave to anybody's rhythm. He is not dancing for coins. Only para mucho dinero, BABEEE! Three g can quit the divatude. He will get pucked up by Canelo. Team 3g knows what time it is. Quit playing games. And lying to the fanfaronades and those peeps in da know. Holla!


-stormcentre :

Wow! *You guys have no idea of how the politicks of da game operates. YUP! Canelo did the right thing. Team 3g are great bullsyetters, as is the alphabet-soup sanctioning organizations. Pugs vacate these corrupted organizations on da reg. So why is Canelo being singled out by certain fans? There was zero noise when Tim Bradley dumped his WBO belt instead of fighting the hyped-up Sadam Ali, who then got owned by Jesse Vargas, who is now negotiating with IBF Kell Brook, who diva Amir Khan ducked. And got his arse KTFO by Canelo. And then start bytching that Canelo should fight 3G next. GTFOH! Canelo is not a slave to anybody's rhythm. He is not dancing for coins. Only para mucho dinero, BABEEE! Three g can quit the divatude. He will get pucked up by Canelo. Team 3g knows what time it is. Quit playing games. And lying to the fanfaronades and those peeps in da know. Holla!
What a story . . . It's got everything. Some claims are actually so loose that they make diarrhoea look solid and smell clean; all whilst - at the same time - they service (fools with) the (hilarious) notion that "other" people are bullshytters. There's free advice that Canelo did the right thing.

And, how do we know that Canelo did the right thing? Well, surprise, surprise, it's the (absent) proof offered up that tells us so.

And the gaping chasms between reality and fantasy go on. Talk about value add. There's poor (and inaccurate) comparisons between fighters that probably have less to do with the matter at hand than many others . . to supposedly prove a point that - in reality - is simply so blunt that the only useful purpose it could possibly have is to put its owner out of his false-sense-of-expertise-misery. For example; the laughable claim that amounts to judging an entire fight based on the final moments of the final round - just for the sake of (being seen to) make an expert observation and . . . . No doubt, for the sake of self promotion. And, all this whist there are - quite literally - already acres and acres of existing longstanding, unproven, and sensational claims from the very same "peep in da (self proclaimed) know" . . simply drifting around out there in TSS cyberspace, seemingly abandoned as a result of all the questions they have been associated with. Boy . . No-one writes fiction and believes it like BV. I always thought that when you make sensational claims it follows that you must also provide a sensationally reliable degree of proof. How silly I was. * I just cant wait to be educated by someone whom - unlike us all here - knows every iota of boxing and has all the ideas about how the politicks of da game operates. Yup. In any regard . . . . Brilliant humour. Love it. :) :)
Storm
PS: Hey, look . . perpetual motion is real. It must be I seen it on the YouTubeNet.


-KO Digest :

Another great read Frank. I believe the real reason Canelo Alvarez versus Gennady Golovkin is (was) such a high demand title bout is because the undefeated "challenger" GGG has been made to wait a VERY LONG time for a shot at the linear title. Triple G is the most deserving fighter of this kind in all of boxing, with the possible exception of Sergey Kovalev at light heavyweight where Adonis Stevenson still holds an iron clad claim to the linear championship. Ironic is Golden Boy Ring Magazine denial of this inconvenient fact. Golovkin's credentials as undisputed #1 middleweight contender for years now (think Clubber Lang) have led some to label Golovkin uncrowned champion. Catchweight manipulations have stoked the fires of #CaneloGGG because fans feel the recent linear champions are not playing fair while they duck Golovkin for bigger money fights. Golovkin could lure neither Sergio Martinez, Miguel Cotto, nor Canelo Alvarez into the ring with him for a shot at the championship. He shouldn't have to "lure" the champion. The system is broken. The lineage is compromised. Fans have grown apathetic but at least they still understand the value of a good fight. When that's gone, will there be anything left for boxing to hang its hat on? At least now, with Canelo vacating whatever tenuous claim he once had on the world middleweight title, there is no longer such a crazy demand for the fight. It will diminish. Until the next time a "real world champion" is NOT fighting the divisional de facto #1 contender. We have this ugly situation at 175, 160, two original weight classes.


-stormcentre :

Another great read Frank. I believe the real reason Canelo Alvarez versus Gennady Golovkin is (was) such a high demand title bout is because the undefeated "challenger" GGG has been made to wait a VERY LONG time for a shot at the linear title. Triple G is the most deserving fighter of this kind in all of boxing, with the possible exception of Sergey Kovalev at light heavyweight where Adonis Stevenson still holds an iron clad claim to the linear championship. Ironic is Golden Boy Ring Magazine denial of this inconvenient fact. Golovkin's credentials as undisputed #1 middleweight contender for years now (think Clubber Lang) have led some to label Golovkin uncrowned champion. Catchweight manipulations have stoked the fires of #CaneloGGG because fans feel the recent linear champions are not playing fair while they duck Golovkin for bigger money fights. Golovkin could lure neither Sergio Martinez, Miguel Cotto, nor Canelo Alvarez into the ring with him for a shot at the championship. He shouldn't have to "lure" the champion. The system is broken. The lineage is compromised. Fans have grown apathetic but at least they still understand the value of a good fight. When that's gone, will there be anything left for boxing to hang its hat on? At least now, with Canelo vacating whatever tenuous claim he once had on the world middleweight title, there is no longer such a crazy demand for the fight. It will diminish. Until the next time a "real world champion" is NOT fighting the divisional de facto #1 contender. We have this ugly situation at 175, 160, two original weight classes.
Well said. Especially . . .


- He shouldn't have to "lure" the champion.
- The system is broken.
- Ironic is Golden Boy Ring Magazine denial of this inconvenient fact.
- Golovkin's credentials as undisputed #1 middleweight contender for years now (think Clubber Lang) have led some to label Golovkin uncrowned champion.
- Catchweight manipulations have stoked the fires of #CaneloGGG.

Add to the list . . . .how episodically vehement both Canelo and Oscar have been about not running from, and instead fighting, Triple. I mean, let's be real here, they have quite literally stated that over and over, and over and over, again; for the last year or so. And, in that and also (even if you leave out how infrequently a real die hard Mexican fighter would do such a thing) a recently-historical context, it's almost unprecedented; the level of fear and deceit that's on display here by, not just a Mexican (
catch-weight) champion - but also his promoter, whom s/t/old us that all the
catch-phrase . . .

""All we want to do is make the best fights out there, and we will continue to do that"".

The situation is laughable. You have (had?) Canelo with the super welterweight title not wanting to defend it at the super welterweight, weight. And, you have Triple - whose probably both, far more deserving of Canelo's super welterweight title and also the true light/middleweight king right now - despite the fact that he's still not quite wanting to fulfill all his own claims and promises about fighting any light/super/middleweight, by both;


A) Routinely failing to fight all the best available opposition out there.
B) Utilizing circumstances such as those mentioned here and created by Canelo and Co, to achieve point "A".

Unfortunately what has muddied the water even further (than the failure of Canelo to be able to defend his title without an advantage scandal) is the fact that Sanchez, K2, and most likely Triple also, have themselves not sought to - as they say in law - mitigate the loss (created by the aforementioned Canelo scandal) either. Instead they have used it to their advantage as they have gone about their merry way cherry picking. They have preferred to use the situation and the multiple champions/titles within each sanction's divisions to their advantage and as a means to regularly fight lesser quality opponents than might otherwise be available; no doubt due to the fact that the Canelo scandal and other questionable scenarios that are playing out can quite easily, or perhaps with a little massaging, perform the function of a ready-made scapegoat. It's all smoke and mirrors, as champions, pretenders, fighters, and boxers look to maintain and/or increase their stronghold on titles, successful performances, revenue consistency, and fans; for what both they and their management/promotional teams feels is the least publicly acceptable/perceivable risk. Still, nothing and no-one (qualification; well nothing/no-one that offers tangible proof anyway) can assuage the fact that Canelo got his rump handed to him years ago in a sparring session with Triple in what was the kind of spooky experience that one can actually use to gauge how a real fight might play out. And, that, along with Gennady's style of fighting and the success he has recently had, has no doubt both, resonated and been symbolized as a road block, within Saul's mind for a very long time. That fact is obvious to me. As is the fact that Canelo's;

Circumnavigation of his obligation to fight Triple (whom has patiently waited for years). Longstanding failure to (properly) defend the middleweight (and not a catch-weight) title against almost anyone; including Triple. Bizarre interpretation of what carrying the flag for Mexican boxing pride means. Ability to deceive his fans on this issue

Deserves all the negativity it gets. As does any inconsistency of certain PacFans whom found all Canelo's proven actions worthy of serious ridicule, but only when they were;


A) Not only, unproven and in some case completely wrong.
B) But also straddled around Floyd's neck; all as PacRoach got a free pass for doing (as far as seeking weight and other advantages goes) precisely what Canelo has been doing.

I don't suggest you were a part of that crowd KO Digest, but your fine post has reminded of it. Yes, Canelo's evasive and anti-championship actions are far more obvious, proven, and worse than those Floyd has been repetitively accused of and attacked for, and I for one am glad to see that almost everybody (FloydFan, PacFan, or not) here has finally seen this scam for what it is. When PacRoach did it many turned the other way and it was Ok then; but people are (hopefully) starting to wise up to it now and what it really means for what kind of "champion" you are. And, Canelo has been given an awful lot of leeway with this issue. You can measure that leeway in calendar years. Canelo has - for a very longtime - held a world title within one of the most prestigious weight divisions of the world whilst consistently defending it in a manner that provides himself with an advantage - just as much as those very actions betray his real confidence in the position of champion. Those actions - as the WBC themselves have rightly shown - have absolutely no place in genuine world title fights. Let alone those fights involving world titles held and defended by Mexicans. It's a disgrace. And, as soon as Canelo had to defend the title at the correct weight and without an advantage, what does he do? He runs. Like a non-(DoubleWorld?)Champion (donkey) whom is asked a question about his claims. The similarities don't stop there either. Because, as he runs and disappears off into the distance he (in one last ditched attempt to save face) reminds us that he's still interested in (proving his claims) negotiating the fight - whilst (using that claim as misdirection for the fact that he's instead abjectly) failing to explicitly advise that any future negotiation will surely include the same advantage that his opponent and sanction both found justifiably unacceptable; which is certain to ensure the fight (truth) never sees the light of day. See how it works? It's a Golden Girl Canelo (Brother Voodoo) ruse that is surely designed to allow both Canelo and Golden Girl to - in their usually supercilious and counterfeit style - say . . .

""Well we tried to continue negotiations but their side failed to follow through, so what can we do"".

What does it all mean? Well, I am not sure about you cats here. To me it means Canelo, for the last few years, won a lot of fights. But, according to me, the rules, and also the sanctions that matter, he was never really the super welterweight champion. Don't get me wrong I still like the guy. But the fact that he frequently needed an advantage to win fights and be called a (true?) Mexican champion - but then run from the mere suggestion of fighting a real threat without that advantage, means to me that he was a little less than his packaging claimed; a bit like Pac. A good measure of all this and just how unafraid Canelo really is, will be - once he has resolved his timetable and legal conundrums and also recovered from the deadline-travesty the horrible WBC placed upon him - whether he chases down Triple and genuinely tries to reclaim "his title". Don't hold your breath folks. As, I reckon before that happens; Donkeys will speak the truth and Brother Voodoo will not only "magic" perpetual motion to exist outside of the spirit world - but he will also openly/reliably commit to putting it to good work it in a far broader manner than (as is the case now) just with the usual untruths and fictions plucked from the air and garnished with an endless array of cringe-worthy lines consisting of useless dialogue and false narratives. Yup, the truth will be furnished with perpetual motion by Brother Voodoo in the same way as its antithesis is, before Canelo genuinely chases down Triple and legitimately fights him for the title he preferred to relinquish than defend.
Storm. :) :)


-amayseng :

I dont buy Canelos fights then bitch, I bitch and Dont buy Canelos fights. Who bought this Khan Canelo mismatch? Honestly? We complain because we want to see the best fight the best. We want to know who the best is. We want to see GGG truly challenged to see where he really stands. I wont buy a ppv fight again unless it is a ridiculously stacked card. Canelo can do what he wants as far as business is concerned and WE can judge him for being a coward first and warrior second.


-brownsugar :

Well said. Especially . . .


- He shouldn't have to "lure" the champion.
- The system is broken.
- Ironic is Golden Boy Ring Magazine denial of this inconvenient fact.
- Golovkin's credentials as undisputed #1 middleweight contender for years now (think Clubber Lang) have led some to label Golovkin uncrowned champion.
- Catchweight manipulations have stoked the fires of #CaneloGGG.

Add to the list . . . .how episodically vehement both Canelo and Oscar have been about not running from, and instead fighting, Triple. I mean, let's be real here, they have quite literally stated that over and over, and over and over, again; for the last year or so. And, in that and also (even if you leave out how infrequently a real die hard Mexican fighter would do such a thing) a recently-historical context, it's almost unprecedented; the level of fear and deceit that's on display here by, not just a Mexican (
catch-weight) champion - but also his promoter, whom s/t/old us that all the
catch-phrase . . .

""All we want to do is make the best fights out there, and we will continue to do that"".

The situation is laughable. You have (had?) Canelo with the super welterweight title not wanting to defend it at the super welterweight, weight. And, you have Triple - whose probably both, far more deserving of Canelo's super welterweight title and also the true light/middleweight king right now - despite the fact that he's still not quite wanting to fulfill all his own claims and promises about fighting any light/super/middleweight, by both;


A) Routinely failing to fight all the best available opposition out there.
B) Utilizing circumstances such as those mentioned here and created by Canelo and Co, to achieve point "A".

Unfortunately what has muddied the water even further (than the failure of Canelo to be able to defend his title without an advantage scandal) is the fact that Sanchez, K2, and most likely Triple also, have themselves not sought to - as they say in law - mitigate the loss (created by the aforementioned Canelo scandal) either. Instead they have used it to their advantage as they have gone about their merry way cherry picking. They have preferred to use the situation and the multiple champions/titles within each sanction's divisions to their advantage and as a means to regularly fight lesser quality opponents than might otherwise be available; no doubt due to the fact that the Canelo scandal and other questionable scenarios that are playing out can quite easily, or perhaps with a little massaging, perform the function of a ready-made scapegoat. It's all smoke and mirrors, as champions, pretenders, fighters, and boxers look to maintain and/or increase their stronghold on titles, successful performances, revenue consistency, and fans; for what both they and their management/promotional teams feels is the least publicly acceptable/perceivable risk. Still, nothing and no-one (qualification; well nothing/no-one that offers tangible proof anyway) can assuage the fact that Canelo got his rump handed to him years ago in a sparring session with Triple in what was the kind of spooky experience that one can actually use to gauge how a real fight might play out. And, that, along with Gennady's style of fighting and the success he has recently had, has no doubt both, resonated and been symbolized as a road block, within Saul's mind for a very long time. That fact is obvious to me. As is the fact that Canelo's;

Circumnavigation of his obligation to fight Triple (whom has patiently waited for years). Longstanding failure to (properly) defend the middleweight (and not a catch-weight) title against almost anyone; including Triple. Bizarre interpretation of what carrying the flag for Mexican boxing pride means. Ability to deceive his fans on this issue

Deserves all the negativity it gets. As does any inconsistency of certain PacFans whom found all Canelo's proven actions worthy of serious ridicule, but only when they were;


A) Not only, unproven and in some case completely wrong.
B) But also straddled around Floyd's neck; all as PacRoach got a free pass for doing (as far as seeking weight and other advantages goes) precisely what Canelo has been doing.

I don't suggest you were a part of that crowd KO Digest, but your fine post has reminded of it. Yes, Canelo's evasive and anti-championship actions are far more obvious, proven, and worse than those Floyd has been repetitively accused of and attacked for, and I for one am glad to see that almost everybody (FloydFan, PacFan, or not) here has finally seen this scam for what it is. When PacRoach did it many turned the other way and it was Ok then; but people are (hopefully) starting to wise up to it now and what it really means for what kind of "champion" you are. And, Canelo has been given an awful lot of leeway with this issue. You can measure that leeway in calendar years. Canelo has - for a very longtime - held a world title within one of the most prestigious weight divisions of the world whilst consistently defending it in a manner that provides himself with an advantage - just as much as those very actions betray his real confidence in the position of champion. Those actions - as the WBC themselves have rightly shown - have absolutely no place in genuine world title fights. Let alone those fights involving world titles held and defended by Mexicans. It's a disgrace. And, as soon as Canelo had to defend the title at the correct weight and without an advantage, what does he do? He runs. Like a non-(DoubleWorld?)Champion (donkey) whom is asked a question about his claims. The similarities don't stop there either. Because, as he runs and disappears off into the distance he (in one last ditched attempt to save face) reminds us that he's still interested in (proving his claims) negotiating the fight - whilst (using that claim as misdirection for the fact that he's instead abjectly) failing to explicitly advise that any future negotiation will surely include the same advantage that his opponent and sanction both found justifiably unacceptable; which is certain to ensure the fight (truth) never sees the light of day. See how it works? It's a Golden Girl Canelo (Brother Voodoo) ruse that is surely designed to allow both Canelo and Golden Girl to - in their usually supercilious and counterfeit style - say . . .

""Well we tried to continue negotiations but their side failed to follow through, so what can we do"".

What does it all mean? Well, I am not sure about you cats here. To me it means Canelo, for the last few years, won a lot of fights. But, according to me, the rules, and also the sanctions that matter, he was never really the super welterweight champion. Don't get me wrong I still like the guy. But the fact that he frequently needed an advantage to win fights and be called a (true?) Mexican champion - but then run from the mere suggestion of fighting a real threat without that advantage, means to me that he was a little less than his packaging claimed; a bit like Pac. A good measure of all this and just how unafraid Canelo really is, will be - once he has resolved his timetable and legal conundrums and also recovered from the deadline-travesty the horrible WBC placed upon him - whether he chases down Triple and genuinely tries to reclaim "his title". Don't hold your breath folks. As, I reckon before that happens; Donkeys will speak the truth and Brother Voodoo will not only "magic" perpetual motion to exist outside of the spirit world - but he will also openly/reliably commit to putting it to good work it in a far broader manner than (as is the case now) just with the usual untruths and fictions plucked from the air and garnished with an endless array of cringe-worthy lines consisting of useless dialogue and false narratives. Yup, the truth will be furnished with perpetual motion by Brother Voodoo in the same way as its antithesis is, before Canelo genuinely chases down Triple and legitimately fights him for the title he preferred to relinquish than defend.
Storm. :) :)
A lot of good comments here guys........I can't say anything any better than what's already been said. Golovkins' status and pedigree at 160 can't even be questioned or debated. It's simply a fact. It should also be noted that Canelo has sparred with Golovkin,. They know each other from an athletic perspective far better than either fighter will publically admit. (What happens in a sparring session - stays in the gym) but it's not difficult to locate coach Abels' impressions on YouTube for what it's worth. Over the last several years Canelo's status and ability as a PPV star has been highly exaggerated. Somehow he's been able to assume/abuse PPV status when his greatest claim to fame was losing to Floyd in a highly profitable and one sided outing. But Canelo would earn my respect even if he won't "dare to be great",. ... if he would just simply dare to be "Average" and fight the one of the guys in and around his weight class like Martirosyan, Andrade, Charlo, Williams, or even Willy Nelson, I would be mildly impressed.. However PPV wins over a shot Angulo(the last Canelo fight I paid for,) a shot Kirkland and a blown up welterweight (Khan) is not worth my PPV dollar. Call me when he returns to one division or the other. These cash in scams have surely run aground unless the micromanaged fighter can bring himself to fight a worthy contender.


-stormcentre :

But Canelo would earn my respect even if he won't "dare to be great",. ... if he would just simply dare to be "Average" and fight the one of the guys in and around his weight class like Martirosyan, Andrade, Charlo, Williams, or even Willy Nelson, I would be mildly impressed..
Yep, that would be nice wouldn't it? :) :)


-amayseng :

A lot of good comments here guys........I can't say anything any better than what's already been said. Golovkins' status and pedigree at 160 can't even be questioned or debated. It's simply a fact. It should also be noted that Canelo has sparred with Golovkin,. They know each other from an athletic perspective far better than either fighter will publically admit. (What happens in a sparring session - stays in the gym) but it's not difficult to locate coach Abels' impressions on YouTube for what it's worth. Over the last several years Canelo's status and ability as a PPV star has been highly exaggerated. Somehow he's been able to assume/abuse PPV status when his greatest claim to fame was losing to Floyd in a highly profitable and one sided outing. But Canelo would earn my respect even if he won't "dare to be great",. ... if he would just simply dare to be "Average" and fight the one of the guys in and around his weight class like Martirosyan, Andrade, Charlo, Williams, or even Willy Nelson, I would be mildly impressed.. However PPV wins over a shot Angulo(the last Canelo fight I paid for,) a shot Kirkland and a blown up welterweight (Khan) is not worth my PPV dollar. Call me when he returns to one division or the other. These cash in scams have surely run aground unless the micromanaged fighter can bring himself to fight a worthy contender.
Well said


-KO Digest :

To trump Oscar and his Golden Boy, DLH's old promoter Bob Arum should have his own southpaw middleweight champion declared ASAP. Nevermind Canelo, Golovkin, and the rest of the pretender slash contenders. Examining the available roster under Uncle Bob's contractual command, I think it should be Terence "Lil Hagler" Crawford. He's good, a marketable star, and he's never fought anywhere close to 160 pounds. He's perfect. Arum can call "Bob's Bud" the Top Rank Middleweight Champ, get his guy a shiny belt, put his face on the cover of some TR publicity ragazines, insist on BS catchweights, fight only in Omaha, and most importantly: Be sleazier than the WBC & never fight GGG...


-stormcentre :

Yeh, not a bad suggestion KOD. Maybe Bob is waiting to see how Crawford goes in his next challenge. Postal might just be - since he hit the big time - his first real live, young, and fresh risk. :) :)


-KO Digest :

Just think about it: Arum's TR star is taking a HUGE risk for low reward for divisional unification. Oscar's GBP star is a protected catchweight diva running away from divisional unification... Arum's star is fighting THE BEST. Oscar's star is fighting...Liam Smith?


-stormcentre :

Yes, I get you KOD. Know where you're coming from. No argument form me. My above post #16 mostly referred to your earlier post's #15 Crawford@middleweight comment. Cheers. :) :)


-Radam G :

To trump Oscar and his Golden Boy, DLH's old promoter Bob Arum should have his own southpaw middleweight champion declared ASAP. Nevermind Canelo, Golovkin, and the rest of the pretender slash contenders. Examining the available roster under Uncle Bob's contractual command, I think it should be Terence "Lil Hagler" Crawford. He's good, a marketable star, and he's never fought anywhere close to 160 pounds. He's perfect. Arum can call "Bob's Bud" the Top Rank Middleweight Champ, get his guy a shiny belt, put his face on the cover of some TR publicity ragazines, insist on BS catchweights, fight only in Omaha, and most importantly: Be sleazier than the WBC & never fight GGG...
Hehehe! You got jokes! Holla!


-KO Digest :

I better not give Uncle Bob any "crazy" ideas huh?


-Domenic :

I'm with you KOD. Rather than applauding the so-called politics of the sport (my God, sometimes I think people must have posters of promoters on their bedroom walls), you're calling them out. While this is on paper a good 'business' decision for Canelo (I disagree, no disgrace in losing admirably, if that happened), it's a horrible legacy decision. If he had alternatives, that's one thing. But he doesn't. Golovkin is the fight for him, no close second. But the way I see it, it's KO1 Golovkin. The guy willingly forked over his belt rather than face him. That's the bottom line. You can cloak it in not-enough-money all day, but he said no way in hell I'm fighting that guy. And Golovkin is his biggest payday to boot. Geez, this cheering for promoters thing is beyond me. 'Woohoo, my guy was able to duck Golovkin and fight Liam Neeson or whoever, yeah!'


-KO Digest :

I took the liberty of writing up Canelo's GGG demands: 1. Non-title fight, HBO PPV. 2. Catchweight, 155 pounds. 3. In Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico. 4. Oscar De La Hoya as guest referee. 5. Judges from The Ring magazine staff. 6. Drug testing by Golden Boy Promotions. 7. No rematch under ANY circumstance. 8. Absolutely NO rehydration clause. 9. Embarrassingly inequitable purse split. 10. Canelo gloves and wrap by Margarito. (GGG shall wear 22 OZ "aqua" gloves)


-Kid Blast :

Rafael as referee?


-brownsugar :

Lol...and dont forget the soggy padding over the canvas (to slow down the lateral movement) with immediate scoring after each and every round to cause his fans to cheer wildly whether he won the round or not and place additional psychological pressure on the officials and GGG...


-deepwater2 :

The guest referee should be used more often. Imagine Holyfield,Lewis,Tyson as ref? Wyatt Earp was ref!


-stormcentre :

I took the liberty of writing up Canelo's GGG demands: 1. Non-title fight, HBO PPV. 2. Catchweight, 155 pounds. 3. In Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico. 4. Oscar De La Hoya as guest referee. 5. Judges from The Ring magazine staff. 6. Drug testing by Golden Boy Promotions. 7. No rematch under ANY circumstance. 8. Absolutely NO rehydration clause. 9. Embarrassingly inequitable purse split. 10. Canelo gloves and wrap by Margarito. (GGG shall wear 22 OZ "aqua" gloves)
This thread is going somewhere now. Love that list, and all the additions to it in the above posts. But, what it all really means is that a simplified clause like this should be inserted . . . "I am too scared to both, fight Triple and admit it . . . despite what I say after knocking out another over matched welterweight".
Storm. :) :)


-stormcentre :

The guest referee should be used more often. Imagine Holyfield,Lewis,Tyson as ref? Wyatt Earp was ref!
In (some of) the really early boxing fights in Australia (in the 1800's I think), and as hard as it may be to believe . . . There actually were no corner posts; for the ring/ropes to be safely/securely fixed to . The ring-ropes, in that case, were literally held up by people or a person(s) in each corner; and they often shouldered directly up to the raucous and drunken crowd. OK, so now you have the mental image of the days before Les Larcy. History is written as such that (as a result of the above) the size of the ring - particularly during wildly popular fights - was "dynamic" and constantly *changing . . . . Nice !!!! Like boxing is not hard enough without that. However . . . With respect to the "dynamic" and regularly *changing dimensions of the ring . . . . Initially it seemed that these "live" boxing-ring-dimensional *changes (whilst not necessarily always conforming to the relevant rules and regulations; Ahh geez dunno why) where Random. Not necessarily serving anyone more than the other. Yup, that was the explanation offered up to those that dared question the integrity of such a flexible system and noble sport. However, looking back, and as some reliable books/sources advise, it appears the "dynamics" of the changing ring dimensions (which were previously explained as being simply a purely Random act) actually showed a remarkable accord with;


A) Whom the majority of bets were paced on.
B) What particular situation, during the course of the bout, that that same fighter/person may be in.

Now - as all these Random changes of ring size went on - the referee of the day must surely have known what was going on, and with that he also simply accepted;


A) Not just the "dynamics" of the changing ring dimensions.
B) But also the impact it had on both, the boxing participants and also the outcome of the fight..

Now, that kind of referee is the perfect "Guest Referee" for Golden Girl and princess CaneloLita.
Storm. :) :)