If not for Leonard, Hagler Could've Remained Champ Another Three Years

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By Frank Lotierzo

It's hard to believe that it's been 29 years (April 6th 1987) since the showdown between undisputed middleweight champion Marvin Hagler 62-2-2 (52) and former undisputed welterweight champion Sugar Ray Leonard 33-1 (24). As most boxing aficionados know, Hagler and Leonard had been on a collision course since November 30th 1979. That was the night Hagler fought middleweight champ Vito Antuofermo to a draw in the semi windup to the WBC welterweight title clash between title holder Wilfred Benitez and challenger Sugar Ray Leonard.

The Antuofermo-Hagler bout served as the warmup to the main event between Benitez and Leonard. Hagler fought Antuofermo to a disputed draw, a fight most observers thought he won, but he left the ring as the number one contender instead of the champ. An hour later in the same ring Leonard stopped Benitez with 6 seconds left in the 15th round to capture his first world title. To add insult to injury, Leonard was paid a million dollars for his 26th bout opposed to a paltry 40 thousand for Hagler in what was his 50th bout. Since that night Hagler longed to get Leonard in the ring since he felt he was always one-upped and overshadowed by him going back to their amateur days.

Finally, after nearly eight years of speculation and two retirements and comebacks by Leonard, they finally met at the Caesars Palace outdoor arena in Las Vegas for Hagler's WBC title. Prior to the bout Leonard agreed to letting Hagler make the larger purse as long as Hagler consented to fighting Leonard in a bigger than normal ring, 20 by 20, 10 ounce gloves instead of eight, and 12 rounds instead of 15. And even after granting those concessions, Hagler opened a 4-1 betting favorite. Leonard, who had only fought once in five years prior to facing Hagler, went on to win one of the signature bouts of his stellar career via a 12-round split decision.

In a bout which basically amounted to Hagler fighting as the aggressor and Leonard the boxer/counter-puncher, it turned out Leonard was just a little too quick of hand and foot and had his biggest moments at the close of most of the rounds that he won. For some unknown reason, Hagler tried to out-box Leonard, a tactic that resulted in him clearly losing the first three rounds. Being down 0-3 in rounds, Hagler reverted to fighting more and boxing less and probably won five of the remaining nine rounds – resulting in Leonard winning the bout by a consensus 7-5 in rounds or 115-113 on points. Officially, Judge Lou Filippo scored it 115-113 Hagler, Judge Dave Moretti saw it the other way, 115-113 Leonard, with the deciding vote being cast by Judge Jose Juan Guerra 118-110 in favor of Leonard.

Since the fight many fans have argued over the decision. The decisions rendered in close bouts are always subjective and if the bout isn't conclusive, the fans of both fighters think their guy won and that holds true regarding Hagler vs. Leonard. Some also believe Ray waited for Hagler to show signs of him being on the decline, due to the tough bout he had with John “The Beast” Mugabi in his previous fight 13 months earlier. However, the bigger issue that was missed by many and still is, was that Leonard always had the fighting style to give Hagler an ulcer. Hagler was at his best when his opponents carried the action to him, thus setting him up to fight as the great counter-puncher he was. The problem for Marvin on this night was, Leonard, like Roberto Duran, the only other fighter to go the distance with Hagler in a title bout, dictated that Hagler assume the role of “Smokin” Joe Frazier and fight as the predator. And that wasn't Marvin's forte, whereas fighting on the move and using his feet to get in and out was Leonard's.

It is my belief that had Hagler not lost to or never fought Sugar Ray Leonard in April of 1987, he would've remained middleweight champion until 1990. Instead of retiring with a final career record of 62-3-2 (52) going 12-1 (11) in title defenses, he most likely would've made one title defense a year for the next three years and retired as champ with a final record of 65-2-2 (55) and 15-0 (14) in title defenses. What gets lost in the aftermath of the bout is, stylistically, Leonard was all wrong for Hagler. Ray had the height and reach, the chin and just enough punch and strength to live with Marvin every day of the week. It was also Hagler's misfortune that Leonard had been observing him as a ringside commentator on HBO during his retirement in addition to Marvin conceding to Leonard's demands during the negotiations for the bout which began in late August of 1986.

After reviewing the following, I'm convinced Hagler could've held the title into 1990…..Think about this, in 1988 Ring Magazine's top five middleweight contenders/title holders excluding Sugar Ray Leonard were Sumbu Kalambay, Michael Nunn, Roberto Duran, Iran Barkley and Thomas Hearns. In 1989 the list reads Michael Nunn, Sumbu Kalambay, Mike McCallum, Roberto Duran and Iran Barkley. As for 1990, the order is Michael Nunn, Julian Jackson, Sumbu Kalambay, Mike McCallum and Steve Collins.

Let’s assume instead of fighting Leonard, Hagler fights three times circa 1987-1990 and meets Kalambay, Nunn and either Hearns or Barkley in title defenses. Does anyone believe the Hagler who was edged out by Leonard would've lost to any of them during this time frame? Hagler was the toughest and had the best chin among the group. He was a very underrated boxer/counter-puncher and unless you are an all-time great the likes of Roberto Duran or Sugar Ray Leonard, not one of the fighters listed above could've defeated him fighting in retreat. And we certainly know that none of them were in better condition, nor could they better him by going toe-to-toe and fighting it out.

Hagler of the late eighties, although not in his vintage form, would've been too physically hard and strong for either Kalambay or Nunn. There's no chance they could've held him off and out-boxed him. Sure, they may have survived into the last third of the bout but they'd both be looking more to survive than fighting to win. Neither could've hurt Hagler and it's doubtful they would've made it to the final bell. In a rematch with Hearns, Thomas would have tried to box Hagler instead of rumbling with him like he did in April of 1985. His problem would've been, as in their first fight, he couldn't hold Marvin off when he had his feet planted and tried to put him in one of the ringside seats. How long could Hearns realistically have held him off in a rematch fighting on his toes like Leonard did while looking to pick his spots? In a rematch with Duran, I doubt Roberto could've fought to the level he did the first time they met. And Hagler would've entered that bout with a severe grudge and something to prove. If we insert Barkley instead of Duran, Hagler could've out-boxed Iran with his eyes closed and probably stopped him due to cuts over his eyes somewhere during the second half of the bout.

The biggest conjecture regarding Hagler post-1987 is, how hungry would he have remained? Based on what we know of him and his history, he probably would've continued to chase and eventually break former middleweight champion Carlos Monzon's record of 14 consecutive title defenses. And Hagler surely would have been an overwhelming favorite to defeat every potential challenger mentioned. Monzon retired in 1977 at age 35. Had Sugar Ray Leonard remained retired, Hagler more than likely would have retired in 1990 at age 36 after breaking Monzon’s record with his 15th consecutive middleweight title defense.

In the nearly 30 years that have passed since Hagler and Leonard touched gloves, no one has highlighted who the top middleweights of that era were chasing Marvin for his title. The consensus after losing to Leonard was Hagler in 1987 was basically a shell of the fighter he was two years earlier. Something that wouldn't have even been an afterthought had he been awarded the decision over Leonard that many observers believe he deserved.

In closing, let’s set the record straight….Sugar Ray Leonard legitimately out-boxed a live body in Marvin Hagler who very well may have underestimated him going into the fight. Leonard owned the style matchup and the concessions that Hagler made all but sealed his fate. More importantly, had Leonard not been around, Hagler would've remained the undisputed middleweight champ for another three years simply because there wasn't another middleweight walking the planet who could've beat an even less than vintage version of him.   

Frank Lotierzo can be contacted at GlovedFist@Gmail.com

 

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-Kid Blast :

Interesting notion, Frank. I do think the Mugabi fight took a lot out of him, but Hagler's ego was and is enormous. My gut tells me he would have fought 3 more times and would have picked his opponents carefully. I think Vinnie Curto would have been one. Maybe Chong-Pal Park. And Sumbu Kalambay He would have avoided Michael McCollum, but Doug DeWitt was a possible while Barkley would have been a great fight in 1987. And also Herol graham


-Radam G :

I can believe that the Marvelous One could have been King for a few more years without the magic of SRR. But that is how the game rolls. The late, great Jack Dempsey would have been King for another few years if not for that dancing ex-Marine Gene Tunney. Maybe GOAT Ali would have been heavyweight king for 16 years straight if not for him standing up for his beliefs. Even Doc Wlad could have been heavyweight King well up into his 40s if not for the distance cousin -- Tyson "Fist of" Fury -- of GOAT Ali coming alone. The "theatre of the unexpected" will always have a zillion of could have been diz, dat and/or da otha.' Holla!


-Kid Blast :

He also would have avoided Benn


-Coxs Corner :

Or if the fight would have been 15 rounds Hagler would have continued as champion. As brilliantly as I thought Leonard fought that night he was exhausted after 12 rounds from inactivity. I agree Hagler would have contiuned as champion for another 3 years had it not been the loss to SRL.


-Brad :

I don't agree with the premise that "had Hagler not lost to or never fought SRL, he'd have been champ till 1990." It's totally contrary to everything Hagler said to Leonard back in 1986 while dining at Jameson's. At the time Hagler thought Leonard was done for good so he let his guard down and told him how he had lost his love for boxing. He explained to Leonard that he had become susceptible to cuts. He found it harder to push through training regimen. According to Leonard, Hagler said, "he was not motivated and just kept thinking of retiring.".....at the end of the day, the bout with Leonard was the ONLY reason he fought at all in 1987 and it's hard to imagine that this Hagler would plod on till 1990.


-Matthew :

I agree with Brad. Hagler was definitely thinking retirement after the Mugabi fight, and he hinted at calling it quits in the Showtime post-fight interview with Al Bernstein. People in Hagler's camp said he still loved to fight, but that they had a hard time getting him into training camp for the Leonard fight. His wife had been urging him to retire since after the Hearns fight, and the main reason she acquiesced for the Leonard fight was the $12 million payday. I would pick Hagler to beat every one of those names mentioned between '87 and '90. I know he was very conscious of Monzon's record, but I think he would have retired if he had gotten the decision against Leonard.


-mortcola :

F-Lo may be right, but it is beside the point. First, SRL did calculate the perfect strategy to improve his odds against Hagler. Second, Hagler is so visibly faded compared to the fighter who beat Hearns and fought an all-out-war against the brutally strong Mugabi, SRL's last-gas[p effort at a great athletic effort combined with a points-winning strategy that even if Hagler won a hypothetical last-three, he wouldn't have looked at all like the younger Hagler. Third, related to the first two, and point F-Lo made about Hagler's confessions to Leonard about being finished with his own prime, a VERY inside connection of mine confirms that Hagler had not been taking good care of himself at all for a couple of years, beginning with the Mugabi camp, and for all his skill and strength, was far from being a first-tier athlete anymore. Leonard brought that fight, close, to the judges, by a supreme effort of mental slicks and a last gasp of athleticism, and it ended as a statement about where both guys were in their careers and lives. Neither would have been (Leonard demonstrably) more than a shadow if the show had gone on. Kudos to MMH for getting out and having the maturity to know that it was time to start his life-post-boxing.


-stormcentre :

Yep, I, too, believe Hagler was thinking of retirement after the Mugabi fight. Tell you what though . . . I would have loved to see a fight between Halgler and Toney; when both were in the same weight class and also their prime. :) :)


-Radam G :

I agree with Brad. Hagler was definitely thinking retirement after the Mugabi fight, and he hinted at calling it quits in the Showtime post-fight interview with Al Bernstein. People in Hagler's camp said he still loved to fight, but that they had a hard time getting him into training camp for the Leonard fight. His wife had been urging him to retire since after the Hearns fight, and the main reason she acquiesced for the Leonard fight was the $12 million payday. I would pick Hagler to beat every one of those names mentioned between '87 and '90. I know he was very conscious of Monzon's record, but I think he would have retired if he had gotten the decision against Leonard.
Money is always an inspiration and motivation to hang around for someone who came from the poorest of the poor, as the Marvelous One did. If he would've gotten the verdict over SRR, he would have danced with the then red-hot, undefeated Donald Curry for $20mil. Rumors were heavy about this back then. And even the Marvelous one said this a couple of so years later while starring in movies made in Italy and the P-Islands. So many scraps that we're going to be never were because of an upset and/or a robbery. Holla!


-Radam G :

I agree with Brad. Hagler was definitely thinking retirement after the Mugabi fight, and he hinted at calling it quits in the Showtime post-fight interview with Al Bernstein. People in Hagler's camp said he still loved to fight, but that they had a hard time getting him into training camp for the Leonard fight. His wife had been urging him to retire since after the Hearns fight, and the main reason she acquiesced for the Leonard fight was the $12 million payday. I would pick Hagler to beat every one of those names mentioned between '87 and '90. I know he was very conscious of Monzon's record, but I think he would have retired if he had gotten the decision against Leonard.
That wifey of the Marvelous One should have stayed out of his business. Not too long after the SRL loss, he dumped her, moved to Italy, remarried, become an international movie star in Europe and Asia, and been living the good without a meddling wife. I would follow his path but my meddling wife and all of my in laws and blood outlaws would find me and kick my arse. Hehehe! Holla!


-Kid Blast :

Actually he lives most of the time in Bartlett, NH about two miles from my house with his lovely Italian wife Corine. I say hello to him when I see him, but I am not close to him. He has his own circle of friends. Interesting dude. Still in very good shape. I believe he goes back to Italy on occasion. But the movies stopped a long time ago. If you could get your hands on one, it would be worth a fortune. Almost like Ken Norton's Mandingo!!!!!!!!!!!!


-Kid Blast :

Some excellent posts on this thread. What you usually get is "I think Hagler won or I think SRL" This was a good discussion and Brad made an excellent point, but where is Jameson's?


-Matthew :

Jameson's was a restaurant in Bethesda, Maryland that Leonard co-owned in the mid and late 80s. Hagler attended the restaurant's opening on Leonard's behalf in 1986.


-Kid Blast :

Thanks, Matthew Smart move to invite MMH in for a drink. SRL always was one step ahead of Hagler it seemed to me.


-Domenic :

F-Lo may be right, but it is beside the point. First, SRL did calculate the perfect strategy to improve his odds against Hagler. Second, Hagler is so visibly faded compared to the fighter who beat Hearns and fought an all-out-war against the brutally strong Mugabi, SRL's last-gas[p effort at a great athletic effort combined with a points-winning strategy that even if Hagler won a hypothetical last-three, he wouldn't have looked at all like the younger Hagler. Third, related to the first two, and point F-Lo made about Hagler's confessions to Leonard about being finished with his own prime, a VERY inside connection of mine confirms that Hagler had not been taking good care of himself at all for a couple of years, beginning with the Mugabi camp, and for all his skill and strength, was far from being a first-tier athlete anymore. Leonard brought that fight, close, to the judges, by a supreme effort of mental slicks and a last gasp of athleticism, and it ended as a statement about where both guys were in their careers and lives. Neither would have been (Leonard demonstrably) more than a shadow if the show had gone on. Kudos to MMH for getting out and having the maturity to know that it was time to start his life-post-boxing.
Beast. You had a phenomenal write up on the RL-MH bout a while back, and remarked within that Hagler was 'physically dull.' I've stolen that and used it, haha. Dr. Mortcola's a monster. Leonard was sharp-as-nails, navigated pre-fight conditions perfectly. I wasn't a fan of his in the 80's, at that time, but have done a 180 on that unequivocally. Ray Leonard's a BEAST. He took risks. The no tune-up for Hagler after 3 years off (and inactive prior), and the move from welter to middle was epic. Then he deals with a prime Terry Norris, well past his prime. RL deserves more credit for his toughness.


-Kid Blast :

Beast. You had a phenomenal write up on the RL-MH bout a while back, and remarked within that Hagler was 'physically dull.' I've stolen that and used it, haha. Dr. Mortcola's a monster. Leonard was sharp-as-nails, navigated pre-fight conditions perfectly. I wasn't a fan of his in the 80's, at that time, but have done a 180 on that unequivocally. Ray Leonard's a BEAST. He took risks. The no tune-up for Hagler after 3 years off (and inactive prior), and the move from welter to middle was epic. Then he deals with a prime Terry Norris, well past his prime. RL deserves more credit for his toughness.
I'll be stealing this for future use, you can bet on that.