Questions No One Is Asking About Antonio Margarito And His Comeback

Antonio Margarito And His Comeback – The world of boxing is full of many clichés. The retired fighter who can’t stay away even though his peak years are long gone evokes a strong image, and may bring to the minds of some the former welterweight world champion Antonio Margarito.

Margarito is fighting this Saturday, March 5th for the first time in four plus years, as he faces veteran Jorge Paez Jr. in Mexico City in a fight that is going to air on TV Azteca and on beIN in the United States.

Part of the reason that Margarito has not fought in four years is he sustained a great deal of damage to his left eye in his November of 2010 fight with Manny Pacquiao, and his final fight with Miguel Cotto in December of 2011 likely aggravated the damage. Since then Margarito has been denied a license to fight in the United States for failing the eye exam portion of the required medical tests.

The picture that accompanies this article is one that was taken this week, with the fight just hours away now. Now, perhaps it is a bad picture and the eye is sound enough to take repeated blows, but Margarito’s eye in that picture does not look quite right.

The requirements for a boxing license where boxing is regulated in the United States ask for a series of eye exams to be passed, including a test that requires a specialist (opthalmologist) and cannot be done by just a regular eye doctor.

See the Nevada State Commission’s form for an eye test here, as an example.

Antonio Margarito And His Comeback

Now, I am not there at the scene, but I highly doubt that Margarito has submitted to all that type of testing for this fight. If he has, then the exams should be easy enough to produce.

Few will talk about the medical profession in a bad light, but simply producing the exams or forms signed by a doctor of Margarito’s choosing is not enough. The Nevada State form actually puts the onus on the doctor, as he must sign approval for the fight on the form.

Another boxing cliché may actually be more applicable. If the referee asks a hurt fighter if he wants to continue, the answer almost inevitably comes back “yes”. A fighter will always want to continue…

Margarito says his eye is fine, but in this case, it may just be a twist on “the fighter wants to continue.”  So the exams should be held in a public manner and the very real question of medical ethics should be on the table.

The fact is, none of this addresses the OTHER big controversy in Margarito’s past, as there are still questions about the “hand wrapping incident” that are being swept under the rug in the absence of an authority who can ask the questions.

The official story is that Margarito and trainer Javier Capetillo were caught with a wet, plaster-of-paris type of material in their hand-wraps prior to Margarito’s fight with Shane Mosley on Jan. 24, 2009 in Los Angeles. Mosley trainer Nazeem Richardson forced the California State Boxing Commission to re-wrap Margarito’s hands prior to the fight. Afterwards, Margarito was suspended for a year, and an investigation by the California State Commission found that Margarito did not know his hands were being illegally wrapped. Capetillo too was suspended, and he chalked up his use of the illegal material to a “mistake”.

The fight prior to Mosley saw Margarito defeat Miguel Cotto in a fight that many feel Cotto was never the same after. Margarito and Capetillo have consistently denied that his hands were wrapped illegally for his first fight with Cotto. But the matter has been left there, as there is no entity with the type of authority to ask those questions. Because the Cotto-Margarito fight happened in Nevada, the California State Commission’s inquiries did not extend to the Cotto fight. The Nevada State Commission has never taken up the matter.

Many boxing people question how Margarito could not have known what was in his hand wraps. A close look at the fight shows Margarito relying on power shots with his left. He repeated the left uppercut over and over, a technique that he had not shown before with that type of frequency. Photos of Margarito after the fight show blood on his left hand wraps.

Cotto himself has asked that the matter be taken more seriously and looked into. If the hand wraps were loaded for the Cotto fight, Freddie Roach labeled it “attempted murder.” Former Light Heavyweight world champion Montell Griffin stated in an interview that if an investigation showed Margarito used loaded gloves against Cotto, Margarito “should be in jail”. But there is no authority to look at this issue, so it will likely continue to be swept under the rug.

There is no denying Margarito’s charisma and star-power, so if he shows that he has anything left in the tank, it’s a fair guess that Bob Arum and Top Rank will see the dollars signs and bring him back.  If not, some other promoter will.

 

Check out this video about Antonio Margarito’s Comeback at The Boxing Channel

 

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-miguel1 :

I know we talked about it on here before, but this was a more elaborate piece. I figured it was timely as it appears he is actually going to fight lol.


-Skibbz :

The only question everyone and everyone wants to know is - can he take a 12 round beating from Canelo? My answer is ofcourse not Antonio please do not step in the ring your health is more important than the sacks of money the promoters dangle at your feet. Your eyes man!!!


-Radam G :

Let the dude scrap. And halt the politricks. There has been blinded-in-one-eye pugs fighting as long as there has been boxing. There are pugs fighting with cataracts and glaucoma and crossed eyes. Other pugs have fought prolonged with one eye drooping, as O-Games gold medal winner and ex light-middleweight champ David Reid (name may be off) did. For a long time, fighters who got a detached retina were automatically kicked out of da game if that were discovered. But when uber money-making Sugar Ray Leonard got one, all the rules were instantly changed because too much money would be lost by telling him to pack it in. Holla!


-brownsugar :

If they match him carefully, maybe... but apparently his core fans desperately want him to try. The true believers are the last ones to abandon hope. Its funny because Moseley says Margarito's to far gone to fight again, but time is the great equalizer, Margo could probably beat Sugar Shane without any hidden reinforcements now.


-miguel1 :

That is a respectable opinion Radam, Im OK with that. But I dont think that is the more serious of the two points. Bad wraps, loaded gloves are all a port of the game since way back when too, dont make it right. He crossed a line iMO if he wrapped up dirty for Cotto.


-Skibbz :

That is a respectable opinion Radam, Im OK with that. But I dont think that is the more serious of the two points. Bad wraps, loaded gloves are all a port of the game since way back when too, dont make it right. He crossed a line iMO if he wrapped up dirty for Cotto.
In same respect trainers of young pugs cross lines when they put kids in fights above their heads to see what they're made of. Unsportsman yes but it's a fight and it's boxing if the gloves couldn't find a home it wouldn't have mattered in my opinon. @RG I disagree, a close friend of mine through an accident in their younger years was left 20% blind in their right eye and they're a south paw. He could punch like a mule but against another boxer he was not so accurate. It wouldn't take a second glance to see he was more or less blind in his right eye and you gained confidence in knowing how to beat your opponent pretty fast. If we look below the top tier of the pyramid we can see a lot of fighters with those 'defects' hve an incredibly hard time in this sport, harder than it already is.


-Radam G :

That is a respectable opinion Radam, Im OK with that. But I dont think that is the more serious of the two points. Bad wraps, loaded gloves are all a port of the game since way back when too, dont make it right. He crossed a line iMO if he wrapped up dirty for Cotto.
Wow! Nobody ever caught Tony in dat squared jungle cheating. He was allowed to fight Sugar Shane Mosley with nothing but a mind-pucked psyche and regulated handwraps. And it is just speculations that he had "Paris of plaster" in his handwraps against M-Co in Bout I. Beside I ain't buying syet from a crooked-arse government lab in Cali. Holla!


-miguel1 :

If what you are saying is dont look further I disagree. You hav eseen the fight, there would enough evidence for a call to investigate further. You can ignore it all you want.


-Radam G :

If what you are saying is dont look further I disagree. You hav eseen the fight, there would enough evidence for a call to investigate further. You can ignore it all you want.
I don't ever ignore anything in our seedy, shady, sleazy sport. It is no way that you don't know the tricks of the trade on every level. My clearest memory go back to two years old and some change. And I'm haunted with memories of screw jobs. Especially in California. The crooks there pull some real optical illusion syet. And some straight outta Hollywood trickery. The darn state is so enchanted with corruption and bulljive that after 26 years, the knife that O.J. Simpson likely used miraculously popped up from the ground. And a Cali crooked-arse lab is going to confirm it. OMFG! And I'm going on spaceship that flew down from Heaven. And Imma tell Big Guy God and Lil God Jr what's up and that I want to holla at them to see if stuff behind the Pearly Gates really existed after death. Hehehe? Holla!!


-miguel1 :

I don't ever ignore anything in our seedy, shady, sleazy sport. It is no way that you don't know the tricks of the trade on every level. My clearest memory go back to two years old and some change. And I'm haunted with memories of screw jobs. Especially in California. The crooks their pull some real optical illusion syet. And some straight outta Hollywood trickery. The darn state is so enchanted with corruption and bulljive that after 26 years, the knife that O.J. Simpson likely used miraculously popped up from the ground after 26 years. And a Cali crooked-arse lab is going to confirm. OMFG! And I'm going on spaceship that flew down from Heaven. And Imma tell Big Guy God and Lil God Jr what's up and that I want to holla at them to see if stuff behind Pearly Gates really existed after death. Hehehe? Holla!!
I am totally with u. Kool aid drinkin', gloved fist in the air


-deepwater2 :

That eye looks like a nice target.


-stormcentre :

Wow!
Nobody ever caught Tony in dat squared jungle cheating. He was allowed to fight Sugar Shane Mosley with nothing but a mind-pucked psyche and regulated handwraps. And it is just speculations that he had "Paris of plaster" in his handwraps against M-Co in Bout I. Beside I ain't buying syet from a crooked-arse government lab in Cali. Holla!
Say what?

Margarito was caught fair/square with dirty wraps by officials and/or Nazeem Richardson. Antonio didn't later scapegoat and sack his trainer Javier Capetillo because there wasn't a wet, plaster of paris type *substance in his wraps. The "proof of the pudding" - so to speak - was in the lab report of the aforementioned substance* found in Margarito's wraps; that ensued Richardson influencing the CSBC to re-wrap Margarito?s hands prior to the fight. Margarito was not suspended for a year and investigated by the CSBC, because the wraps were clean. I actually think that the fact that the CSBC found that Margarito did not know his hands were being illegally wrapped; was a finding that never would have occurred had Top Rank not been associated with the fight, Margarito, and possibly the commission. The investigation - which relied upon the above-mentioned lab report - ran by the CSBC ultimately suspended Capetillo. Following that Capetillo claimed his use of the illegal substance was accidental and/or mistake. Capetillo did not claim he made a mistake because both he and Margarita were not caught red (and plaster) handed. Margarito - in my opinion - must have known his hands were dirty. I know when I use different 16oz gloves (that are identical in appearance but not age) for heavy bag work; as - even if I mistake one pair for another - I can usually tell the difference after a few rounds from the cushioning. If not, from that then always from how much my hands feel it afterwards. Both pairs are in good condition, the same colour, and they pretty much look the same too; but one pair is about 5 months older. So . . . in my opinion . . . No experienced boxer can hit another man for 12 rounds with plaster in his wraps . . . . and as the plaster hardens . . . not know it. No way.

Margarito knew the wraps were dirty, and he crossed the line; in my opinion. Now I know where the imaginary 122 clinches came from. Good stuff !!! Please pass that crack pipe over, when you have finished with it. Moving on . . . . . If Antonio still has it, and hasn't lost too much . . . then he could make some waves within the division. Possibly even be a good opponent for Triple, or some of the other middleweights out there. Still, that's a reasonably big "if". In any regard, he will probably still make a few more million. Won't surprise me to se Top Rank open their arms for him again. :) :)


-ArneK. :

Way back in 2002, I sat ringside watching Antonio Margarito fight Antonio Diaz. Watching that fight I was thinking to myself that this guy Margarito was too rough around the edges to become a top-shelf fighter, but jeez he had a heavy punch. Diaz was the favorite -- he had won 28 of his last 29; the only loss in that window vs. Shane Mosley -- and he won the early rounds, but Margarito's damaging punches eventually took the starch out of him and the fight was stopped in the 10th. Seven years later, when Margarito was accused of fighting with loaded gloves, I flashed back to that fight. Now his damaging punches made more sense. However, as Stormcentre mentions, plaster of Paris will harden as the rounds go on. Someone please tell me how a boxer with hardened plaster in his gloves can punch without lousing up his hands? Maybe they have a new kind of plaster that stays slushy. I wouldn't know. Back in 1964, Sports Illustrated published an excerpt from Doc Kearns forthcoming memoir; a cover story in which Jack Dempsey's former manager confessed that he put plaster of Paris in Dempsey's gloves for his fight with Jess Willard. Dempsey sued the publication -- claiming that the report was bogus -- and he won, more exactly Sports Illustrated settled the case before it went to trial. A doctor testified that a fighter with hardened plaster in his gloves couldn't land a powerful punch without breaking most of the bones in his hand. My thoughts: Yes, Margarito's trainer was guilty of attempted skulduggery vs. Shane Mosely-- and he succeeded in pulling it off in other bouts -- but the exact nature of it remains a mystery to me.


-Radam G :

Way back in 2002, I sat ringside watching Antonio Margarito fight Antonio Diaz. Watching that fight I was thinking to myself that this guy Margarito was too rough around the edges to become a top-shelf fighter, but jeez he had a heavy punch. Diaz was the favorite -- he had won 28 of his last 29; the only loss in that window vs. Shane Mosley -- and he won the early rounds, but Margarito's damaging punches eventually took the starch out of him and the fight was stopped in the 10th. Seven years later, when Margarito was accused of fighting with loaded gloves, I flashed back to that fight. Now his damaging punches made more sense. However, as Stormcentre mentions, plaster of Paris will harden as the rounds go on. Someone please tell me how a boxer with hardened plaster in his gloves can punch without lousing up his hands? Maybe they have a new kind of plaster that stays slushy. I wouldn't know. Back in 1964, Sports Illustrated published an excerpt from Doc Kearns forthcoming memoir; a cover story in which Jack Dempsey's former manager confessed that he put plaster of Paris in Dempsey's gloves for his fight with Jess Willard. Dempsey sued the publication -- claiming that the report was bogus -- and he won, more exactly Sports Illustrated settled the case before it went to trial. A doctor testified that a fighter with hardened plaster in his gloves couldn't land a powerful punch without breaking most of the bones in his hand. My thoughts: Yes, Margarito's trainer was guilty of attempted skulduggery vs. Shane Mosely-- and he succeeded in pulling it off in other bouts -- but the exact nature of it remains a mystery to me.
It is also a mystery to that crooked Cali lab that was responsible for examining Margarito's confiscated handwraps. Holla!


-vjoe :

When I run and wear any kind of gloves, my hands are soaking wet within a couple of miles (and that's when it's freezing out). How would plaster of paris ever set up in such a wet/damp environment? Just wondering.


-deepwater2 :

I've seen boxers wrap their wrist with all the gauze with a few meaningless layers around the knuckles. The inspectors must catch these infractions before the bout, not after the bout.


-Radam G :

When I run and wear any kind of gloves, my hands are soaking wet within a couple of miles (and that's when it's freezing out). How would plaster of paris ever set up in such a wet/damp environment? Just wondering.
It won't! This whole bullsyet is the same bulljive as sea monsters eating you when you sail out too far in the sea, or you might fall off the flat planet earth straight into hell or you will be falling for eternity. In our sport, crooks talk bullsh?t while they preach it to you as science. But they are disturbed and shocked when you know real science, have common sense and challenge and question their dogmatic sh?t. Holla!


-stormcentre :

When I run and wear any kind of gloves, my hands are soaking wet within a couple of miles (and that's when it's freezing out). How would plaster of paris ever set up in such a wet/damp environment? Just wondering.
Hey Vjoe, The plaster will set (in a pre-fight and fight context) for many reasons. Here are a few;


1) The mixture that makes it set consists of Gypsum derivative (called calcium sulphate hemi-hydrate {or plaster}) or a similar substance, that - when it is appropriately wet - undergoes a chemical reaction that converts it from being calcium sulphate hemi-hydrate (or plaster) back to it's original Gypsum form; which is calcium sulphate di-hydrate. This is effectively taking the plaster you buy off the shelf, wetting it, and allowing it set; back into Gypsum. Just as Margarito and his trainer did.
2) The person responsible for the dirty wraps can apply the correct amount of plaster to allow for any sweat related moisture that (is usually negligible to the plaster's "setting process" anyway) may otherwise impact the plaster's "setting process".
3) In the event that sweat related moisture was not negligible (rarely happens) to the plaster's "setting process";


a) the person responsible for dirty wraps can then simply apply a suitable amount of insulation/wrapping - as was the case with Margarito's wraps - to ensure that the plaster begins its "setting process" long before any moisture/dampness reaches the calcium sulphate hemi-hydrate.
b) This could also be managed by the time duration defined by that time which lapsed between (i) when the plaster is initially applied in the change rooms, and (ii) that time when - during the fight - the dirty boxer's hands sweated enough to get to the plaster.

Being conservative here . . . this means that the dirty boxer's hands would not sweat enough to get to the plaster before (at best) round 4. So that's 15 mins in the ring, and also probably - at least - 15 mins in the change room after the wraps are applied. From below, you can see that plaster sets in about 30 mins, and it starts to set within 15; so any sweat related dampness (which is all it is) coming through the bandages and gauze has almost no effect on the chemical reaction. And that stands even if additional calcium sulphate hemi-hydrate (or plaster) was not added to the mix to compensate.






--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Plaster of Paris is made from fine ground Gypsum. Gypsum is a comes from (not a magical Wallach, BV, or Youngevity mineral, but) a natural mineral real world science has analyzed and defined; calcium sulphate di-hydrate. Gypsum itself is - usually been buried under considerable silt and dust, and also - a legacy from early earth's tectonic plate movements and other geological events that caused seas on land to dry up millions of years ago. So Gypsum is truly historical stuff, just as fossil fuels are. In places where Gypsum is found not to be close to the earth's surface it is mined. Conversely where it is "reasonably" close to the earth's surface it's dug up and/or quarried. We export Gypsum here in Australia, in Russia too, and also most other continents do too. The name "Plaster of Paris" (as far as I am aware) came about due to the fact that it was initially made from Gypsum that originated from Paris. To make Plaster of Paris you get powdered gypsum (calcium sulphate di-hydrate) and heat it up to over 150?C so that the heat chases away some of the water; changing the calcium sulphate di-hydrate and effectively converting it to calcium sulphate hemi-hydrate. Unlike, and opposite to, the process described within the above point 1; this is effectively (an industrial process) taking Gypsum that is quarried, heating it, and converting into plaster; or calcium sulphate hemi-hydrate. What's unique about plaster (of Paris or Australia/Russia) is the fact that when it's mixed back with water (as Margarito's trainer did) it turns back to Gypsum again and sets hard in about 30 minutes. This is exactly the process described within the above point 1; where plaster (or calcium sulphate hemi-hydrate) is deliberately wet (you need a lot more than some sweat in a glove) and then converted back to, and set as, hard Gypsum.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now, and this is an interesting point, as plaster sets hard it also becomes warm and expands very slightly. Imagine that all housed inside a boxing glove !!!! That all means that;


1) There was very little chance that Margarito did not sense his hands getting hot.
2) The lab report that detected the dirty wraps could not have got it wrong; as what legitimate reason could there possibly be for Gypsum (or a similar hardening substance) to be in your wraps.
3) There was very little chance that Margarito did not know his hands were dirty.
4) We should pay no attention to Radam, as he is guessing as a means to over up earlier post's faulty claims.

The CSBC acted properly and did the right thing in my opinion; in suspending both Margarito and his trainer. Proof of this comes from the fact that Capetillo himself claimed that his use of the "illegal substance" was accidental and/or mistake. Personally I think that Bob Arum, and his legal savvy that most likely provided Margarito with his (there is no evidence that proves Antonio knew the wraps were dirty) Top Rank bottom line and face saving defence, was all that stood between Margarito and a lifetime suspension. That and all the money that changes hands between Top Rank and the above-mentioned and related commissions. Still, those that feel enraged about Margarito's actions need not despair. As provided his comeback is successful within the context of, say, his next few fights . . . There is a good chance he will get thrown in with Triple. And we all know both how much Gennady would love that Mexican scalp, and what will happen then. :) :)


-Kid Blast :

The very egregious part of the Margo thing was the fact that the corrupt NYSAC allowed him to fight Cotto with one eye. Another great job by Lathan and her hacks. Margo gets two great paydays against Pac and Cotto and then has to fork what's left of it over to his ex-wife. How do you spell m-o-r-o-n?


-stormcentre :

The very egregious part of the Margo thing was the fact that the corrupt NYSAC allowed him to fight Cotto with one eye. Another great job by Lathan and her hacks. Margo gets two great paydays against Pac and Cotto and then has to fork what's left of it over to his ex-wife. How do you spell m-o-r-o-n?
Yes, I though the NYSAC's decision was very interesting on that matter too. But I recall how beautifully Arum played the system, including his use of medical specialists perfectly. So as far as the NYSAC was concerned (I assume that) they were forced to go by only that information they were presented and that which was written by experts; rather than what we all strongly suspected but probably could not prove. Courts operate on the same - often - interesting basis. Where it's not what you may know happened. But - instead - what you can prove (and/or manufacture evidence to support) happened. As far as Antonio's alimony matter goes; he certainly wouldn't be the first guy (or fighter) to be "shafted" by his wife. And he definitely wont be the last either. A marriage contract in itself is quite an interesting contract; especially if you look at if from purely a contractual perspective. Not in the least as when you look at its origins, how often it is contested, how no penalty exists for failing to keep the oath/vows, and whom it can transactionally benefit the most; there are some very interesting "discoveries" to be had. Some one I knew that lived in Hollywood used to call them licenses to share a vagina and wallet; until one or the other - or both - is exhausted. Judge for yourself on that matter and don't shoot the messenger. :) :)


-stormcentre :

Hmmm . . . . Looks like there's no news/interest in the fact that Marg's won - in rather a lacklustre manner - on the weekend. I would have thought it was newsworthy even by count of the fact that it may not be; if - in fact - that really is the case. There's a sentence for yawl that could possibly be an inverse double or possibly triple entrende. Provided you let it that is. :) :)


-brownsugar :

Lacklustre is not even the word for it, Margo barely squeeked by..lol... He's no where near fit to take on any of the top twenty.


-miguel1 :

Your right it was news, I ran out of gas and fell asleep watching it. Paez Jr actaully dropped him. I wll follow up on the match with a piece, but I dont want to see Marg fight again. On a totally different note, I loved Paez Sr he was must see TV-


-deepwater2 :

Your right it was news, I ran out of gas and fell asleep watching it. Paez Jr actaully dropped him. I wll follow up on the match with a piece, but I dont want to see Marg fight again. On a totally different note, I loved Paez Sr he was must see TV-
Paez vs Dorsey was a great memory from my childhood. Margo should fight a few c level guys, so his family can watch him a few more times , and call it a day.


-amayseng :

Way back in 2002, I sat ringside watching Antonio Margarito fight Antonio Diaz. Watching that fight I was thinking to myself that this guy Margarito was too rough around the edges to become a top-shelf fighter, but jeez he had a heavy punch. Diaz was the favorite -- he had won 28 of his last 29; the only loss in that window vs. Shane Mosley -- and he won the early rounds, but Margarito's damaging punches eventually took the starch out of him and the fight was stopped in the 10th. Seven years later, when Margarito was accused of fighting with loaded gloves, I flashed back to that fight. Now his damaging punches made more sense. However, as Stormcentre mentions, plaster of Paris will harden as the rounds go on. Someone please tell me how a boxer with hardened plaster in his gloves can punch without lousing up his hands? Maybe they have a new kind of plaster that stays slushy. I wouldn't know. Back in 1964, Sports Illustrated published an excerpt from Doc Kearns forthcoming memoir; a cover story in which Jack Dempsey's former manager confessed that he put plaster of Paris in Dempsey's gloves for his fight with Jess Willard. Dempsey sued the publication -- claiming that the report was bogus -- and he won, more exactly Sports Illustrated settled the case before it went to trial. A doctor testified that a fighter with hardened plaster in his gloves couldn't land a powerful punch without breaking most of the bones in his hand. My thoughts: Yes, Margarito's trainer was guilty of attempted skulduggery vs. Shane Mosely-- and he succeeded in pulling it off in other bouts -- but the exact nature of it remains a mystery to me.
I agree and thank God for Shane that night, he put on a destroying performance, my favorite of his career.


-King Beef :

Dirty wraps aside, still hate to see Margarito stick around too long and lose that eye because he needs the ca$h, (which very well may be the case if the ex has her hands in his pockets).


-deepwater2 :

Dirty wraps aside, still hate to see Margarito stick around too long and lose that eye because he needs the ca$h, (which very well may be the case if the ex has her hands in his pockets).
Cheaper to keep em.


-The Good Doctor :

Cheaper to keep em.
Agreed. No price is high enough on your health. The problem is that even though he had a tough time including getting dropped by a light hitting C- fighter, he can in his mind chalk it up to ring rust. Even though he looks at a reflection and literally sees a different man, figuratively he doesn't. That athlete ego is an amazing animal. Reminds me of something I heard Dan Le Batard say regarding Peyton Manning: "When it comes to pro athletes and retirement, the athlete is the last to know even though the mirror is quick to show "


-Radam G :

Cheaper to keep em.
This old boxing coach from Philly, but now living in the P-Island, pull up this old song and said that Tony Magarito should have done it:
->https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7uop7WfwPeo. Holla!


-deepwater2 :

This old boxing coach from Philly, but now living in the P-Island, pull up this old song and said that Tony Magarito should have done it:
->https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7uop7WfwPeo. Holla!
That song has a nice beat to it. Next time a buddy complains about his wife to me he is getting this video. My coworker left his wife and two kids for a grass is greener type of girl. A year or so later ,he is all alone in a basement apt and gets to see his kids twice a month. The greener grass girl left once he signed on the dotted line.


-stormcentre :

Dirty wraps aside, still hate to see Margarito stick around too long and lose that eye because he needs the ca$h, (which very well may be the case if the ex has her hands in his pockets).
Sounds like she had those greasy hands in his pockets forever. Just that it was (perhaps) for different reasons. Themselves (possibly) marked out by the demarcation points that draw a line at the end of their consummated relationship. :) :)


-stormcentre :

Agreed. No price is high enough on your health. The problem is that even though he had a tough time including getting dropped by a light hitting C- fighter, he can in his mind chalk it up to ring rust. Even though he looks at a reflection and literally sees a different man, figuratively he doesn't. That athlete ego is an amazing animal. Reminds me of something I heard Dan Le Batard say regarding Peyton Manning: "When it comes to pro athletes and retirement, the athlete is the last to know even though the mirror is quick to show "
Good post. The thing is . . . with boxing and good boxers, they're trained - from a very early stage - to ignore all the typically normal and other signs that would otherwise make most athletes stop.

When was the last time you saw an amateur or professional boxing coach - even in training - tell an exhausted fighter ""well, if you're tired just sit down over there, take it easy, and make sure you don't over exert yourself next time""? Hurt yourself in a tennis match - whether or not you're Sharapova, full of meldonuim and "forgot" to check the annually released and updated banned substance list - and they tell you to sit down.

In fact, last time I checked, how well you ignore fatigue, pain, controversy, adversity, negativity, et al . . . often goes a long way towards whether you're successful in boxing or not. So, then - when you take a sample of very successful boxers (which AM surely is) and examine them making comeback(s) - you see the same traits as mentioned above. As they simply go about the controversial business of their comeback (and/or veteran career) exercising one of the most fundamental (and possibly worthwhile) lessons instilled into them from the very beginning of their fighting careers; pay no attention to all the doomsayers, controversy, and negatives. And, if they do that well (and provided they are managed well) then they usually get paid to re-acclimatize to the tough conditions. Above all else what slips for fighters when they're fatigued and/or out of shape/practice are; (i) proprioception, (ii) stamina and (iii) punch resistance. Remember the 1st term folks, fans, and boxing experts.
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?25339-Ezzard-Charles-is-1-Ranking-The-Modern-Light-Heavyweight-Greats Antonio probably would not have got the chance, prior to his fight in the weekend, to properly train for and/or re-acclimatize to the 3rd consideration very well; as - after a few years off - that (always) takes time and a little more than respected sparring. He probably did OK in terms of the second; given the fight was his first back and was contested at 10 rounds - close to championship distance.
Proprioception: the first consideration (which is - for all those {experts or not} desperately searching for advantages within a sport that has very few legitimate ones that have not already been mined to death - a massively overlooked aspect in boxing capable of yielding benefits; in par with proven PEDs/PESs) was probably how you would expect for the layoff. However, as you would expect it is certainly not going to be assisted by Antonio's eye condition unless it is fully recovered. Should Margarito continue with his comeback? Tricky question. If I were in need of cash (or would be happier with the thought of a few more million being dumped into my bank account in the near future, and), knew I had the majority of my boxing knowledge in tact, and if I was confident that I could re-hone my skills and that it was relatively easy to get paid good money to fight "B" graders as I re-acclimatized/honed; on my way to an almost guaranteed multimillion dollar fight . . . . I would probably do it too. Doesn't make it right though. That is a question of philosophy. Perhaps another question or a better way to put it is . . . . . Out of (all) the current light/middleweight champions out there - if managed correctly and given the right amount of time to re-acclimatize, by Top Rank - what is the chance that Margarito can;

A) Can shake someone up and get a version of the title. B) Make a lot of money trying? C) Save Top Rank from having to walk across the floor, with hat in hand to PBC?


-Kid Blast :

It was a solid match-up considering the Tornado’s long absence from the ring and proved to be an entertaining fight with many concussive and furious exchanges. Margo, unlike the old version, went headhunting most of the time and that allowed Junior to stay fresh until the end. But the fact is, Margarito WON and showed that he is still capable of filling the seats. While his performance was not exceptional, it’s a start and if he is matched carefully in his next 2 or 3 outings, he could find himself in a fight for a decent payday. There was plenty of pre-fight emotion so let the post-fight venom start spewing. Most pundits (or “superstar writers” as Max Kellerman describes them) will now say that this version of the guy many say Mayweather Jr. wanted no part of should retire. Maybe so, but exactly on what basis will that reasoning be grounded?


-stormcentre :

It was a solid match-up considering the Tornado?s long absence from the ring and proved to be an entertaining fight with many concussive and furious exchanges.
(1) Margo, unlike the old version, went headhunting most of the time and that allowed Junior to stay fresh until the end. But the fact is, Margarito WON and showed that he is still capable of filling the seats. While his performance was not exceptional, it?s a start and if he is matched carefully in his next 2 or 3 outings, he could find himself in a fight for a decent payday. There was plenty of pre-fight emotion so let the post-fight venom start spewing. Most pundits (or ?superstar writers? as Max Kellerman describes them) will now say that this version of the guy many say Mayweather Jr. wanted no part of should retire.
(2) Maybe so, but exactly on what basis will that reasoning be grounded?

(1); Spot on. If nothing else, AM is -or was - certainly a great Mexican body puncher, and he didn't do that a lot. Still, it's a reasonably risky move, particularly for tall guys, that may not be feeling their most fresh and agile to bend all the way down and take the risk of digging into someone's ribs; even if you have a defence. And, I'm not sure Marg's does.
(2); Emotion, fanfare, and fanfaronade. :) :)


-Kid Blast :

True


-The Good Doctor :

Good post. The thing is . . . with boxing and good boxers, they're trained - from a very early stage - to ignore all the typically normal and other signs that would otherwise make most athletes stop.

When was the last time you saw an amateur or professional boxing coach - even in training - tell an exhausted fighter ""well, if you're tired just sit down over there, take it easy, and make sure you don't over exert yourself next time""? Hurt yourself in a tennis match - whether or not you're Sharapova, full of meldonuim and "forgot" to check the annually released and updated banned substance list - and they tell you to sit down.

In fact, last time I checked, how well you ignore fatigue, pain, controversy, adversity, negativity, et al . . . often goes a long way towards whether you're successful in boxing or not. So, then - when you take a sample of very successful boxers (which AM surely is) and examine them making comeback(s) - you see the same traits as mentioned above. As they simply go about the controversial business of their comeback (and/or veteran career) exercising one of the most fundamental (and possibly worthwhile) lessons instilled into them from the very beginning of their fighting careers; pay no attention to all the doomsayers, controversy, and negatives. And, if they do that well (and provided they are managed well) then they usually get paid to re-acclimatize to the tough conditions. Above all else what slips for fighters when they're fatigued and/or out of shape/practice are; (i) proprioception, (ii) stamina and (iii) punch resistance. Remember the 1st term folks, fans, and boxing experts.
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?25339-Ezzard-Charles-is-1-Ranking-The-Modern-Light-Heavyweight-Greats Antonio probably would not have got the chance, prior to his fight in the weekend, to properly train for and/or re-acclimatize to the 3rd consideration very well; as - after a few years off - that (always) takes time and a little more than respected sparring. He probably did OK in terms of the second; given the fight was his first back and was contested at 10 rounds - close to championship distance.
Proprioception: the first consideration (which is - for all those {experts or not} desperately searching for advantages within a sport that has very few legitimate ones that have not already been mined to death - a massively overlooked aspect in boxing capable of yielding benefits; in par with proven PEDs/PESs) was probably how you would expect for the layoff. However, as you would expect it is certainly not going to be assisted by Antonio's eye condition unless it is fully recovered. Should Margarito continue with his comeback? Tricky question. If I were in need of cash (or would be happier with the thought of a few more million being dumped into my bank account in the near future, and), knew I had the majority of my boxing knowledge in tact, and if I was confident that I could re-hone my skills and that it was relatively easy to get paid good money to fight "B" graders as I re-acclimatized/honed; on my way to an almost guaranteed multimillion dollar fight . . . . I would probably do it too. Doesn't make it right though. That is a question of philosophy.
Perhaps another question or a better way to put it is . . . . . Out of (all) the current light/middleweight champions out there - if managed correctly and given the right amount of time to re-acclimatize, by Top Rank - what is the chance that Margarito can;

A) Can shake someone up and get a version of the title. B) Make a lot of money trying? C) Save Top Rank from having to walk across the floor, with hat in hand to PBC?

I would put the chances of that from somewhere between a little above remote but not quite average. However, even that comes with risk. You can mitigate the risk all you want but in the fight business lives, not just careers, can change from one punch. Margarito not only enters the ring as a shell of his former self but also with a gigantic target on what is my be the most precious asset to any boxer, his vision. Every time he walks to the ring, there is a risk-reward factor that is larger than that of the average fighter. Combine that with the fact that his mode of operation in the ring is one that actually increases that risk, from the outside I think it is fair to say dude for your health's sake, not the media driven "quit because I say its time emotion", don't do this much longer.


-stormcentre :

I would put the chances of that from somewhere between a little above remote but not quite average. However, even that comes with risk. You can mitigate the risk all you want but in the fight business lives, not just careers, can change from one punch. Margarito not only enters the ring as a shell of his former self but also with a gigantic target on what is my be the most precious asset to any boxer, his vision. Every time he walks to the ring, there is a risk-reward factor that is larger than that of the average fighter. Combine that with the fact that his mode of operation in the ring is one that actually increases that risk, from the outside I think it is fair to say dude for your health's sake, not the media driven "quit because I say its time emotion", don't do this much longer.
Can't argue with that TGD. :) :)