HOLY HOLLY! “Holm” Run Showing From Ex Boxing Champ, Who Destroys Rousey

MONDAY UPDATE: Pockets of buzz were still ringing on Monday.

I walked by a local hospital, in Brooklyn, saw an EMT doing that kick, the one above, which sent Ronda Rousey to an unfamiliar place…La La land, and a zone of, maybe, self doubt.

The EMT and me chatted about the fight, and the strategy used by Rousey, who stood and banged with a woman whose specialty would be just that.

So, chatter about Saturday nights’ UFC 193 resonated, and elements of the bout and the aftermath keep filling 140 character bursts on social.

We heard from Rousey, via Instagram, where she said, “I just wanted to thank everyone for the love and support. I appreciate the concerns about my health, but I’m fine.” (Some speculated she dodged the post-fighter presser, because she’s a poor sport. But in fact, she went to a hospital for observation, as is most often the case following KOs in UFC.) “As I had mentioned before, I’m going to take a little bit of time, but I’ll be back.”

Fans of good sportsmanship took issue with no public congrats being offered to her conqueror, Holly Holm…

The buzz ripples will continue to makes waves…Makes sense, being that the company set a live attendance record, drawing 56,214 payers in Melbourbe, beating UFC 129 in Canada. This promotion spurred interest galore…

One thing to ponder, from us on the pugilism side of the tracks,  does such a compelling and enduring spectacle and hubbub such as the Holm-Rosey battle have boxing deal-makers and power-brokers considering beefing up their effort to kickstart female talent in the realm. I’d guess yes..

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SUNDAY UPDATE: The signs and signals and hints, now they are apparent, in that proverbial rear view mirror, after the unconquerable one got KTFO.

She seemed on edge, in a different way, like the excess media attention had slithered into her brain, lodged there, was a tumor of annoyance. Her impatience at handling difficult questions told us her temperment was what it often appeared to be, edgy, but now teetering towards edgy and untethered. What if, you ask now, knowing you should have been cognizant of that leading up to UFC 193, after Rondy Rousey got kicked into unconsciousness by a super-strong and committed athlete with just two-plus years of mixed martial arts training tucked into her belt, she is human, and can be bested?

If went out the Octagon door, and remaining tall and proud is Holm, a boxing ace thought to be past her pugilistic prime. Maybe so, but today is hers to savor.

She was the benificiary of a beyond-iffy—-sorry UFC boss Dana White, it’s absolutely fair game to question Rousey’s strategy— gameplan, which saw the grappling/judo ace Rousey look to prove that RING cover was not mistake.

She tried to be the boss standing up with someone who had years of experience on her, and ate 5-ounce serving of fist sandwiches for that hubris.

And in that rear view mirror, more puzzling information…Rousey looked out of sorts against a left-hander, who’s rear hand kissed her lips and chin a few times. Yeah, no, choosing a left-hander to prove something is to be done only after lengthy contemplation and preparation. But maybe there was that…and maybe Ms. Holm is just all that..and while many think Rousey was EXPOSED, maybe it is Holm who is exposed…as being a magnificent physical and athletic specimen.

But of course, in that mirror, we can look and see and ponder the actions and reasons and behaviors which resulted in much euphoria when Rousey got punched and then kicked into a humbler place. She acted petulant and childish when refusing to touch gloves before the match with home, and Fate saw it, and interceded.

Now, now we will see if the gushy assessments are spot on. Now we see if Rousey has the stuff of legends..or maybe more so was a product of environment and skilled mystique building and being a big fish in a pond of guppies, in women’s MMA, just in the nascent stage…Rousey will be given the chance to see if she can do better against Holm in a rematch..and if the ferocity and the bluster and the attitude was perhaps more of a front than a reality…This morning, she woke up, realized it was no bad dream, and Ronda Rousey faces an unconquerable certainty: she is faced with the most difficult physical challenge of her athletic arc.

Look in the mirror and see the resolution to that puzzle? I look and I see a haze…I see no hints which inform me..I see for Ronda Rousey a massive challenge and an athlete who may, or may not, be up to the task.

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The rise of Ronda Rousey has been an improbable one, considering that not many years ago, the man running the promotion she fights in, UFC, said he’d never run womens’ fights.

It’s not so improbable when you watch her, see how she acts, note her charisma, see the obvious magnetism in her actions, and sense the less tangible pull you find yourself feeling when you see her perform.

The camera is interested in her, and not just for the fact that she eats arms for lunch, is a stone-cold tendon killer as she submits foe after foe in the Octagon.

The imprint of the 28-year-old is widening, and it’s clear that her star will be enlargening, brightening; she’s on the cover of the current RING magazine, a decision which has been debated heatedly, with purist boxing fans pointing out that it’s insulting to accomplished female fighters that an 0-0 pugilist who merely aspires to try her hands at pugilism gets a RING cover.

But with more copious attention comes increased scrutiny, right Dr. Ben Carson?

The 12-0 Rousey headlines a UFC PPV event in Melbourne, Australia Saturday night, where she will look to deal with Holly Holm in her typical bloodlessly ruthless and abbreviated fashion.

Holm sports a 9-0 mark in MMA, which she’s been doing since 2011, after going 33-2-3 as a pro boxer. Most expect that even if she hits the Octagon with barbed wire wrapping on her limbs, the Rousey armbar will be activated and have her surrendering in short order.

“Rowdy” Ronda yesterday drew an unwanted buzz burst when it was noted that she spoke of a violent encounter with her ex boyfriend in the autobiography she put out a few months ago. At the Thursday media day event to hype the Holm fight, the California resident was asked about the violent situation with the ex she doesn’t name in the book, “My Fight/Your Fight.”

“So if someone is blocking you into an apartment and won’t let you leave, you’re entitled to defend yourself and find a way out,” she explained. “If you’re trying to get into your car and leave and they’re grabbing your steering wheel and saying you can’t leave, technically you’re being kidnapped, and you can defend yourself in any way that is necessary,” she said, in order to paint the incident as self defense.

“I punched him in the face with a straight right, then a left hook,” the former teen judo ace recounted in the book; to give context to the scuffle, she noted he took took nude pictures of her without asking, and then blocked her from leaving his apartment after she delved into the subject with him.

“He staggered back and fell against the door.” She said he wanted to continue to debate. “I walked around the car, pulled him by the neck of the hoodie again, dragged him onto the sidewalk and left him writhing there as I sped away,” Rousey wrote.

The publicizing of the scrap puzzled or enraged some folks who noted she’s been a vocal critic of boxer Floyd Mayweather, who served 60 days of a 90 day sentence in jail in December 2011 after pleading guilty to a misdemeanor battery domestic violence charge for hitting the mother of his three children, in front of two said children.

Rousey’s mocked him for that altercation, and persistently needed him for his lack of character.

The issue itself, athletes battering their partners, is an ultra-hot button matter, being that the NFL hierarchy is knee-deep in getting grilled on the matter of now Dallas Cowboys’ player Greg Hardy. He was arrested after cops were called to his residence, and his then girlfriend said he assaulted her, in May 2014. Hardy denied that he entered the bathroom, the place where the woman said the then Carolina Panthers footballer threw her, where she hit a wall, and then fell into the tub.

Hardy said she fell in the tub; he was suspended for ten games, appealed, and that was dropped to four games. Hardy went to court to answer charges, was sentenced to 18 months and a 60-day jail term, suspended. But he appealed that verdict and charges were dropped, when the lady didn’t attend the jury trial. He returned to the field of play on Oct. 11, but fans still debate whether he should be allowed to compete.

The NFL had the fire lit under their feet when Ray Rice in March 2014 was seen on video punching the woman he’s now married to, knocking her out, while they were in an Atlantic City casino. He too was suspended, indefinitely, but he appealed, and can be signed and play in the league if a team so chooses to. The ex Baltimore Raven is not with a team now. Fans and media debated whether his off the field behavior should be held against him, or what he does away from the field is by and large not pertinent to him playing football.

Rousey was under the microscope, by extension, when it was last month revealed she was dating fellow fighter Travis Browne, a heavyweight in the UFC. He’d been accused by his ex wife of hitting her, with her posting pics on Instagram and presenting the marks on her as a result of domestic violence. He went on record saying his ex was serving up “false accusations.” The Browne situation seems like it is a touchy one; on a conference call last week, Rousey was asked about dating Browne, and abruptly her line went dead. Her phone died, she explained, to eye rolls, but was terse and said “next question” when asked about Browne the next day.

Boyfriend drama has been a not infrequent theme in a life notable for the difficult terrain she’s navigated. Rousey’s father commited suicide in 1995, and she is, amateur shrinks theorize, working out some rage issues inside the cage, in her workplace.

In May, she explained that she decided to pose tastefully nude in the 2012 ESPN The Magazine “Body Issue” after she stumbled on nude pics taken by the ex she said she had that violent rumble with. They were stored on his hard drive, and she erased them. But, she said, she wanted to beat anyone else to the punch, by doing the nude thing before anyone else leaked possible pics. “I’m going to put them out there on my terms,” Rousey explained.

I asked a UFC rep if boss Dana White has addressed the Rousey/domestic violence incident revelation, and would furnish a response.

“No, but Ronda addressed (it) in her media scrum yesterday that is available online,” said Dave Sholler, a UFC VP of PR.

Difficult spot for White; he’d been asked when women would fight in his Octagon, in 2011. “Never!” the combustible deal maker replied.

Never went out the window, faster than you can say “depleted roster of name attractions,” and she debuted in 2012 in the premier MMA league; now Rousey drives the front car in the MMA train. White wouldn’t and couldn’t, I don’t think, throw her under any bus, as her aura grows, with ever more movie roles and forays into WWE, and other outside-MMA milieus. But the Rousey road he now has to drive through is rockier, littered with scrutinizers looking to snare her scalp, in the name of fairness, or principle, or political correctness, so the less he says on this book’s revelation, maybe the better for him, and the company.

Anti Mayweather folks have enjoyed Rousey’s jabs at “Money.” She has zinged his supposed inability to read, and he’s responded that he didn’t even know who she was. He had to know, when she picked up the Best Fighter Award at the July ESPYs, and said, “I can’t help but really say I wonder how Floyd feels being beat by a woman for once. I’d like to see him pretend to not know who I am now.”

The Rousey altercation laid out in the book has spurred intense debate, and while it could translate into a beefier PPV buy rate, it makes for at least a thorny patch for the UFC officers.

Meanwhile, on social media, side-takers are weighing in; is she not being critiqued and held to the same standards as men who engaged in such an altercation? Is Rousey not that much different, in fact, than Mayweather, and should she not be, at the least, chided for hypocrisy?

Up for debate…how much, or little, should off the field or out of the cage missteps affect how we perceive the athletes we follow…and should they be seen as role models, or simply fallible human beings who shouldn’t be expected to live up to our projected desires as more perfect models of humanity?

Meanwhile, through it all, the shows go on. The NFL serves up the organized mayhem which blows away church-going as the favored weekend distraction endeavor in our United States, while a small but growing and intellectually well-armed critics carve away at the mission of the league and the cultural worth of such brain-rattling competitive fare; and the UFC’s visibility and brand strength continue to be impacted by Ronda Rousey, a compelling spitfire of combat, yet another athlete whose traits which aid her in overwhelming the body and will of foes may not serve her as well outside her workplace.

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COMMENTS

-deepwater2 :

Did the guy that took the illegal pictures and detain her press any charges? If not........ Ray Rice knocked out his wife and dragged her unconscious from an elevator and it is all on video. The nfl can't forgive that. Any dumb football guy that gets caught on video is finished. Mayweather was arrested multiple times for assaults on females.His kids called the cops on him for the vicious beating he gave the babies momma. Some woman ruin men's lives with lies and such,I don't see RR in that class of people.But let's see. Pediatric neurosurgeon might not be the right guy for the job but neither is the current guy. For example after arming isis(moderate rebels) with 60 billion $, he says today: isis is contained,right after that isis launches a devastating attack on Paris and shuts down the european borders.


-stormcentre :

So many questions and so little answers. What we need here is someone that is really reliable, can work independently and doesn't need support, doesn't make stuff up, someone that can back up their claims, and someone that will never stray from the truth to investigate. Hmmm let me think . . . . I have 2 or 3 posters here in mind to nominate. One of them may use a little "magic" to get results though. The other will run from any remote possibility to explain his Silly claims. And the other, well he will do/say anything to get bent over by the Silliest of the 3; so long as it makes him feel warm inside. Back to RR. *She should be properly (and not in a "pretend" fashion) investigated for domestic abuse and the same rules of evidence should apply. Generally, (regardless of gender) you are not allowed to assault anyone unless they threaten you with serious danger, and I am not sure that was the case for RR; whom - in my opinion - get's way too much boxing publicity. That said I doubt *it will happen as the culture of the courts is such that they and domestic abuse laws are mostly exercised in the context of painting the female as the aggrieved; for reasons that are many, varied, precedent related, and financial. If RR really, truly is here in boxing to stay (and I hope she is not); Anne Wolf please come out of retirement, enter into a boxing contest with RR, kick some azz, and show that throwing punches for 3 minutes of every round is just as hard, tough, and respect worthy as some of the MMA fighting traits. :) :)


-kidcanvas :

she has every right to defend herself if he was in her space man .. good for u rousey


-amayseng :

If he was holding her against her will in any way, impeding her ability to leave, or move, get in a car, then I have no problem with her punching him out or enough to get her freedom to leave or move or go.


-brownsugar :

Rousey's widening popularity came from directly utilizing Mayweather name in the most unflattering ways, its only karmic justice if she's fielding the same negative attention that tried to put on someone else. Personally I have no interest or respect for Rousey, but I wouldn't mind hearing the other side of the story from the source.


-deepwater2 :

Rousey's widening popularity came from directly utilizing Mayweather name in the most unflattering ways, its only karmic justice if she's fielding the same negative attention that tried to put on someone else. Personally I have no interest or respect for Rousey, but I wouldn't mind hearing the other side of the story from the source.
She might of got some Internet hits from the Floyd comments but she is popular because she kicks people's ***. Plus UFC is promoting her with a huge bankroll. RR might be more popular than Floyd among the masses. That is why Oscar is putting her on the cover of the ring and will promote her first boxing match.


-brownsugar :

She might of got some Internet hits from the Floyd comments but she is popular because she kicks people's ***. Plus UFC is promoting her with a huge bankroll. RR might be more popular than Floyd among the masses. That is why Oscar is putting her on the cover of the ring and will promote her first boxing match.
I'm personally not interested in MMA or who might be more popular than Floyd... Rousey can never hope to rival Floyd's legacy or income no matter what she does... If there's some kind of comparison going on. MMA has about another 100 years ago before it can even remotely claim to be as legitimate an activity as boxing in my opinion... And I am no fan of Rousey. If other folks are then good for them, I still want to hear this story from the guys point of view.


-deepwater2 :

I'm no fan of mma either. We get to see a boxing champion vs RR in her next fight. She might get clipped. If I'm that guy I would keep the a&$ whooping to myself.


-brownsugar :

Nobody is picking Holm to win. Holm is another aging boxer cashing into the MMA market which is more popular and lucrative than the poorly marketed spectacle of professional women's boxing. Look for Rousey to put a swift end to a relatively soft opponent.


-deepwater2 :

Nobody is picking Holm to win. Holm is another aging boxer cashing into the MMA market which is more popular and lucrative than the poorly marketed spectacle of professional women's boxing. Look for Rousey to put a swift end to a relatively soft opponent.
I'm not picking Holm either,but part of me is hoping Holm launches a 1-2 and stops the mma fighter. I cant wait for the day when a prime mma fighter calls out a pro boxer for a boxing match with boxing rules applied. Tackling a fat James Toney does nothing for mma.


-Domenic :

I'm no women's MMA or boxing fan, but they seemingly train hard and dedicate themselves fully, so I certainly respect them. I'm bored so pulled up an old boxing match that Holm had, and she gets savaged in an artless, toughman type scrap (see below; beginning of the end is about the 3 minute mark). She ultimately wins the rematch, remarkable given the nature of this KO loss. A side note, the referee let this one go too long. She was out when she was tangled up in the ropes and defenseless taking shots.
->http://youtu.be/iwDHXErdBjo As for Rousey, not sure what to think of her domestic violence situation. Let's face it, and it's definitely a double standard, but when OJ Simpson, Chris Brown, Floyd Mayweather, Ray Rice, and Greg Hardy batter their wives/girlfriends, there's a different level of scrutiny than when Rousey does it. None of this stuff should go on, but sadly, it does. As for the fight, it'll probably be another Rousey 30 second armbar submission. Don't get up to get a beer or answer the door for the pizza delivery man, because it'll all be over.


-amayseng :

Rousey's widening popularity came from directly utilizing Mayweather name in the most unflattering ways, its only karmic justice if she's fielding the same negative attention that tried to put on someone else. Personally I have no interest or respect for Rousey, but I wouldn't mind hearing the other side of the story from the source.
No it did not, it came from being exciting, breaking arms, quick stoppages, The Expendables 3 and TONS of college and post grad college young kids who buy all the mma ppv's due to exciting matchups and a single governing body. I follow MMA enough to know what is what. Has nothing to do with Floyd


-Radam G :

No it did not, it came from being exciting, breaking arms, quick stoppages, The Expendables 3 and TONS of college and post grad college young kids who buy all the mma ppv's due to exciting matchups and a single governing body. I follow MMA enough to know what is what. Has nothing to do with Floyd
Wow! Lil Floyd got some of his fanfaronades and groupies riding his balls like crabs with no neurons up in da dome. OMG! How can someone actually believe that anybody in sports become popular because he or she said the name of Floyd Mayweather Jr? Outside of boxing fans, Lil Floyd is not known by the average Joe, Jose, Jalil, Jao and Jane, Juanita, Jalila, or Jui Liu. Rousey has gone viral in modeling, in movie acting, in sports and in endorsements. Worldwide she is more known than Lil Floyd. And that is an easy fact to check. Unless your nose is so far up the Mayweathers's arses that you don't have a full deck. The cover shot of her on Ring Magazine has smashed any cover that Lil Floyd has ever been on. He's one jealous POS. And has condemned the whole sport of boksing for giving dat fine fox luv. Rousey has what drives men insane. It starts with a P. Money May has a P that drives him crazy. It is punkified [$ic]. Oh, YUP! He will fight Rousey physically or verbally. But he won't fight a healthy or in-his-prime stud pug in dat squared jungle. Holla!


-Domenic :

I'm not picking Holm either,but part of me is hoping Holm launches a 1-2 and stops the mma fighter. I cant wait for the day when a prime mma fighter calls out a pro boxer for a boxing match with boxing rules applied. Tackling a fat James Toney does nothing for mma.
I actually saw this one tonight and Rousey got dominated and knocked out. It was as much a boxing match as is possible in an MMA deal, and Rousey was completely inferior. Holm landed straight lefts at will and ultimately knocked her out with a kick to the neck/head, but the punches set it up. Holm deserves credit. This girl perseveres though because I saw her get knocked senseless in a boxing match on YouTube, came back to beat the girl. This was pretty interesting. Here's the painful part. She was -2000. I wish I had thrown a couple hundred bucks on her on bovada just for the hell of it. Missed the boat on that one big time. But 30 seconds in you could just tell that Holm was superior and where this was headed.


-Radam G :

Wow! Rousey proved to be the typical cocksure MMA perpetrator believing that she could out box a boxer. And the boxer -- as we always do -- tore her arse up. Beat her like punching out a heavy bag. Maybe being on the cover of the Ring Magazine made Rousey believe that she had boksing skills to pay the bills. NYET! You don't beat a boxer at his or her game. Your arse he/she will shame. And that is the way of the game. Hooray! Hooray! BOKSING! Holla!


-stormcentre :

Rousey got her expectations mixed up with her limitations. Boxers routinely flog MMA guys at boxing. And MMA guys flog boxers at MMA. Makes sense. But when (boxing and) you have to deal with and throw punches for 3 minutes of every round, the limited sweet science skills that MMA guys have really shows. No defence. No trick counter/punches. No punch resistance; usually one of the biggest differentiators. No championship cardiovascular fitness; throwing punches is harder than wrestling, although I conceded MMA fighters are pretty cardiovascularly fit. Anne Wolf please come out of retirement and flog Rousey more. She's been flogged here in Australia and we now send her back on a plane to the USA and you. Love it !!!!! :) :)


-brownsugar :

No it did not, it came from being exciting, breaking arms, quick stoppages, The Expendables 3 and TONS of college and post grad college young kids who buy all the mma ppv's due to exciting matchups and a single governing body. I follow MMA enough to know what is what. Has nothing to do with Floyd
Indeed Rousey made a name for herself in the MMA world, but her constant calling out and badgering of Floyd made her come to the attention of a ton of people like myself who never ever knew Rousey existed until she started fronting on Floyd. Her braggadociuos ways got her mentioned on all kinds of websites like this one. It's only ok to boast if you can back it up. I was wrong about Holm being too shot to beat Rousey, most boxers cant do anything to prevent the takedown or get away from the knees elbows, kicks and submission holds. But Holm nailed the garbage talking woman with a beauty. Congrats to Holm. I'm not particular happy that she got crushed the way she did because Rousey didn't mean that much to me in the first place but I am happy for Holm,...good job sista, .....another one bites the dust. Maybe now this proves that Rousey was never able to compete with any well trained boxer, much less the best fighter of this generation. Deep was right when he said she might get clipped. Much props. Maybe now Rousey will focus on herself instead of spouting off about things that she has no knowlege of. BOXING IS STILL KING!!!!


-Domenic :

Indeed Rousey made a name for herself in the MMA world, but her constant calling out and badgering of Floyd made her come to the attention of a ton of people like myself who never ever knew Rousey existed until she started fronting on Floyd. Her braggadociuos ways got her mentioned on all kinds of websites like this one. It's only ok to boast if you can back it up. I was wrong about Holm being too shot to beat Rousey, most boxers cant do anything to prevent the takedown or get away from the knees elbows, kicks and submission holds. But Holm nailed the garbage talking woman with a beauty. Congrats to Holm. I'm not particular happy that she got crushed the way she did because Rousey didn't mean that much to me in the first place but I am happy for Holm,...good job sista, .....another one bites the dust. Maybe now this proves that Rousey was never able to compete with any well trained boxer, much less the best fighter of this generation. Deep was right when he said she might get clipped. Much props. Maybe now Rousey will focus on herself instead of spouting off about things that she has no knowlege of. BOXING IS STILL KING!!!!
Good points. I must say, I've learned a little about this Holly Holm girl in the last 24 hours, and she's really, really likable. I was home yesterday watching college football, and kept running into promos for this fight. So I come here, pull her Wikipedia bio, etc, and am led to her boxing career, where she gets the stuffing torn out of her by a larger Frenchwoman (evidently a KO artist in the women's game). I see her postfight interview and she was really admirable in the way she handled herself (she was knocked unconscious in a fight that should've been stopped a round or so earlier; it was almost sadisistic, being sent out when tangled in the ropes and virtually unconscious). Well that's the kind of fight that makes or breaks you. In her case, it made her, because she won the rematch (decision win, didn't slug with the slugger, smart gameplan). So a friend of mine orders it, and I say why not, I'll head over. Holm looked bigger, completely at ease, hungry, humble, respectful. Rousey was snarling, and looked physically duller than Holm. Rousey refuses to touch gloves at instructions. Holm isn't moved. She then tries to box with the boxer, and is completely outgunned, getting tagged with straight lefts and busted up. She's holding her chin very high. She then attempts a takedown. No can do, Holm thwarts it. Then Holm takes her down, but jumps up to bring it back to boxing. Round ends, Rousey looks gassed, befuddled, beaten, in way over her head. Holm lands some more to start the second, then lands a kick that KO's her. She does the obligatory jump-on-fallen-fighter MMA move, but barely lands the final two punches as it's stopped. Holm is again ultra respectful in the interview, tears of joy, etc. I must say I rarely watch MMA (just the "big" events, as people I know generally order them; no hate on MMA, just not my thing), but I actually liked this one, and it was due to Holm. One interviewer -a woman- said she was like Buster Douglas, and she knew that history well, and she even remarked that Rousey can return, and alluded to the savage knockout that she herself came back from. Love or hate MMA, this girl stole the show, and as a former boxing champion, carried the mantle for the sweet science damn well last night. And one more thing, SHE WAS A 20/1 UNDERDOG! Now this irks me big time, because I had a feeling about this one going in, just a hunch, after my minimal Holly Holm research, that she could win this thing. I paid for nothing, so the thought crossed my mind to throw $100 on her on my bovada account. Would've won $2100. That's the only sting from the night for me, especially because it was SO obvious 20 seconds in that Holm was just better.


-Radam G :

For many. The "theatre of the unexpected" stuck again. But for me, NANADANANA! I have always maintained that boxing is superior to the MMA/UFC. And Holly being a southpaw too. So you know what time it was. LEFTY TIME, BABBBBEEEEEE! Holla!


-brownsugar :

Good points. I must say, I've learned a little about this Holly Holm girl in the last 24 hours, and she's really, really likable. I was home yesterday watching college football, and kept running into promos for this fight. So I come here, pull her Wikipedia bio, etc, and am led to her boxing career, where she gets the stuffing torn out of her by a larger Frenchwoman (evidently a KO artist in the women's game). I see her postfight interview and she was really admirable in the way she handled herself (she was knocked unconscious in a fight that should've been stopped a round or so earlier; it was almost sadisistic, being sent out when tangled in the ropes and virtually unconscious). Well that's the kind of fight that makes or breaks you. In her case, it made her, because she won the rematch (decision win, didn't slug with the slugger, smart gameplan). So a friend of mine orders it, and I say why not, I'll head over. Holm looked bigger, completely at ease, hungry, humble, respectful. Rousey was snarling, and looked physically duller than Holm. Rousey refuses to touch gloves at instructions. Holm isn't moved. She then tries to box with the boxer, and is completely outgunned, getting tagged with straight lefts and busted up. She's holding her chin very high. She then attempts a takedown. No can do, Holm thwarts it. Then Holm takes her down, but jumps up to bring it back to boxing. Round ends, Rousey looks gassed, befuddled, beaten, in way over her head. Holm lands some more to start the second, then lands a kick that KO's her. She does the obligatory jump-on-fallen-fighter MMA move, but barely lands the final two punches as it's stopped. Holm is again ultra respectful in the interview, tears of joy, etc. I must say I rarely watch MMA (just the "big" events, as people I know generally order them; no hate on MMA, just not my thing), but I actually liked this one, and it was due to Holm. One interviewer -a woman- said she was like Buster Douglas, and she knew that history well, and she even remarked that Rousey can return, and alluded to the savage knockout that she herself came back from. Love or hate MMA, this girl stole the show, and as a former boxing champion, carried the mantle for the sweet science damn well last night. And one more thing, SHE WAS A 20/1 UNDERDOG! Now this irks me big time, because I had a feeling about this one going in, just a hunch, after my minimal Holly Holm research, that she could win this thing. I paid for nothing, so the thought crossed my mind to throw $100 on her on my bovada account. Would've won $2100. That's the only sting from the night for me, especially because it was SO obvious 20 seconds in that Holm was just better.
Beautifully said Domenic, I don't hate MMA or Rousey, neither is worthy of the emotional effort. If my son,... who is an avid WWE & MMA fan still lived across the street from me I would have no doubt watched it myself, I had fun watching him have fun tuning into the big MMA fights, plus he was the best bartender and gourmet chef around. You made a good point ... "the Preachers Daughter" showed her class and upbringing, ... her good nature and respect for others truly transends the sport, while Rousey, ... for lack of a better term, comes off like a dumb redneck,... both profane and disrespectful. "I can beat any woman in the world with one hand tied behind my back" she said, and then proceeds to get her head cracked open. I might watch Holly Holm myself in her next fight.


-brownsugar :

Great Post Storm,... totally agree, except wrestling requires a different type of strength and conditioning.


-stormcentre :

Yes I had to re/think about that a bit myself. I know wrestling is tough. I did a lot of judo when I was in my 20s and 30s. But then I also know that, when you're in the trenches and everyone is throwing a lot of punches, nothing makes your lungs scream/burn like boxing and fist-fighting. Wrestling takes cardio, for sure. But not the sustained anaerobic cardio that boxing takes. In wrestling and judo they get to have (sustained anaerobic) cardio breaks (maybe not aerobic cardio breaks) as they cut across to muscular strength activities a lot with the holds, grapples, and arm bars and so forth; which don't require/demand the oxygenated blood cells as much as stand up fighting/boxing. Still, no top wrestler, judo practitioner, MMA fighter, or boxer; is cardiovascularly unfit. :) :)


-brownsugar :

Yes I had to re/think about that a bit myself. I know wrestling is tough. I did a lot of judo when I was in my 20s and 30s. But then I also know that, when you're in the trenches and everyone is throwing a lot of punches, nothing makes your lungs scream/burn like boxing and fist-fighting. Wrestling takes cardio, for sure. But not the sustained anaerobic cardio that boxing takes. In wrestling and judo they get to have (sustained anaerobic) cardio breaks (maybe not aerobic cardio breaks) as they cut across to muscular strength activities a lot with the holds, grapples, and arm bars and so forth; which don't require/demand the oxygenated blood cells as much as stand up fighting/boxing. Still, no top wrestler, judo practitioner, MMA fighter, or boxer; is cardiovascularly unfit. :) :)
Yep,...much greater resistance in wrestling, in wrestling you literally throw people instead of punches, however in boxing, you throw punches with much greater frequency. A different scale of exertion, and a different scale of rest vs energy expenditure. Wrestlers usually fare much better than just pure boxers in the MMA, but due to the wide variety of disciplines? nobody seems to be able to string 20 wins together. And champs are made after a half diozen fights. Rousey was only 12-1,.... I guess everyone gets their 15 minutes of fame...lol. But yes,... I can agree with your astute obsevations there. I'm waiting for the day when the MMA "sport" evolves into one single discipline instead of a mish-mash of thrown together techniques where hardly anyone can strike effectively... up to now most MMA fighters look like school girls flailing away on a play ground instead of seasoned fighters, the men too. ...... in my opinion, it's the go-to sport for people who can't box but love to fight. Hopefully it wont take 100 years to perfect.


-amayseng :

Wow! Rousey proved to be the typical cocksure MMA perpetrator believing that she could out box a boxer. And the boxer -- as we always do -- tore her arse up. Beat her like punching out a heavy bag. Maybe being on the cover of the Ring Magazine made Rousey believe that she had boksing skills to pay the bills. NYET! You don't beat a boxer at his or her game. Your arse he/she will shame. And that is the way of the game. Hooray! Hooray! BOKSING! Holla!
Yep HH put on a boxing lesson it was beautiful. RR showed that practicing boxing is not the same as a professional boxer, get your head off the center line RR HH sent that left down there while taking herself off it like Pac does. I like RR but it was a much needed boxing lesson to all the hardcore mma fans who dont give the sweet science its respect


-stormcentre :

Yep,...much greater resistance in wrestling, in wrestling you literally throw people instead of punches, however in boxing, you throw punches with much greater frequency. A different scale of exertion, and a different scale of rest vs energy expenditure. Wrestlers usually fare much better than just pure boxers in the MMA, but due to the wide variety of disciplines?
nobody seems to be able to string 20 wins together. And champs are made after a half diozen fights. Rousey was only 12-1,.... I guess everyone gets their 15 minutes of fame...lol. But yes,... I can agree with your astute obsevations there. I'm waiting for the day when the MMA "sport" evolves into one single discipline instead of a mish-mash of thrown together techniques where hardly anyone can strike effectively... up to now most MMA fighters look like school girls flailing away on a play ground instead of seasoned fighters, the men too. ...... in my opinion, it's the go-to sport for people who can't box but love to fight. Hopefully it wont take 100 years to perfect.
I think that's because; A) There are so many disciples to master (and not many people master them all); I know that's stating the obvious. B) There are so many ways to lose. C) Generally, as the MMA fighters come through the ranks the (matchmaking) disparity between class is less than in boxing; in boxing is relatively easy (or easier) to match your guy soft for the 1st 15 or so pro fights - not sure if it's as easy in MMA with only a few (Bellator/UFC . . etc) organisations running/controlling the show. GSP, Machido (who was {and probably still is} really unorthodox and lethal in his day) and few others (you count on 1 hand) I think have strung 20 wins together haven't they?


-brownsugar :

I think that's because; A) There are so many disciples to master (and not many people master them all); I know that's stating the obvious. B) There are so many ways to lose. C) Generally, as the MMA fighters come through the ranks the (matchmaking) disparity between class is less than in boxing; in boxing is relatively easy (or easier) to match your guy soft for the 1st 15 or so pro fights - not sure if it's as easy in MMA with only a few (Bellator/UFC . . etc) organisations running/controlling the show. GSP, Machido (who was {and probably still is} really unorthodox and lethal in his day) and few others (you count on 1 hand) I think have strung 20 wins together haven't they?
There are a few rare exceptions,... You are very Correct, but I wonder where they are now? It's hard to separate the hobbyist martial arts trained dentists who become weekend warriors in the octogon from the life long kick boxers who can barely grapple sometimes.... And because almost anything goes, anyone can have a chance on a good day.... Oh what a mixed bag it is....lol.


-stormcentre :

There are a few rare exceptions,... You are very Correct, but I wonder where they are now? It's hard to separate the hobbyist martial arts trained dentists who become weekend warriors in the octogon from the life long kick boxers who can barely grapple sometimes.... And because almost anything goes, anyone can have a chance on a good day.... Oh what a mixed bag it is....lol.
Yeh you're right. I think GSP still MMA fights doesn't he? Not sure about Machido - but he was the kind of guy that when (in his prime) he fought you just said to yourself ""fu.ck I would hate to have him on my case"" A prime Machido . . . you're not standing up and boxing that guy and winning. No way. There is a guy called Joe Schilling (spelling??). When I was previously in LA I saw a Glory Kick Boxing (KB from now on) competition where these guys punched/kicked the absolute shite out of each other. Joe was one of the guys. I think Joe was/is a KB world champion also. Recently (remember we have a delayed by months/years Bellator telecast over here) Joe moved into Bellator. He did aright for a while. Then the other day i was talking to a 6.5 foot heavyweight KB buddy of mine (whom I would hate to kick me anywhere), and when talking about Joe I said I am not sure how he will go when he meets someone that has good ground skills and kicks below the hips like a Muay Thai kinda deal; as KB's usually don't do that. Then that same night - by coincidence - in Bellator, Joe fights a real loose canon kinda Japanese guy called Hisaki (spelling) I think. You should see what happened.
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSCTi2LBeuo Those Japanese MMA fighters don't (always) worry about getting into (well understood) positions before they attack, that plus Hisaki's ground game (round before the KO) and lower leg kicks set up a beautiful superman punch. Sorry if that's old news for you USA guys over there. By the way, the very first light/heavyweight (shown only for seconds) in the promo at the very start of the video . . he's a tall lanky English tattoo'd guy with the mohawk that's dropping a nice little medium range punch on someone . . . if you get a chance check him out. He is really lethal, and really confident. :) :)


-stormcentre :

There are a few rare exceptions,... You are very Correct, but I wonder where they are now? It's hard to separate the hobbyist martial arts trained dentists who become weekend warriors in the octogon from the life long kick boxers who can barely grapple sometimes.... And because almost anything goes, anyone can have a chance on a good day.... Oh what a mixed bag it is....lol.
Yeh you're right. I think GSP still MMA fights doesn't he? Not sure about Machido - but he was the kind of guy that when (in his prime) he fought you just said to yourself ""fu.ck I would hate to have him on my case"" A prime Machido . . . you're not standing up and boxing that guy and winning. No way. There is a guy called Joe Schilling (spelling??). When I was previously in LA I saw a Glory Kick Boxing (KB from now on) competition where these guys punched/kicked the absolute shite out of each other. Joe was one of the guys. I think Joe was/is a KB world champion also. Recently (remember we have a delayed by months/years Bellator telecast over here) Joe moved into Bellator. He did aright for a while. Then the other day i was talking to a 6.5 foot heavyweight KB buddy of mine (whom I would hate to kick me anywhere), and when talking about Joe I said I am not sure how he will go when he meets someone that has good ground skills and kicks below the hips like a Muay Thai kinda deal; as KB's usually don't do that. Then that same night - by coincidence - in Bellator, Joe fights a real loose canon kinda Japanese guy called Hisaki (spelling) I think. You should see what happened.
Those Japanese MMA fighters don't (always) worry about getting into (well understood) positions before they attack, that plus Hisaki's ground game (round before the KO) and lower leg kicks set up a beautiful superman punch. Sorry if that's old news for you USA guys over there. By the way, the very first light/heavyweight (shown only for seconds) in the promo at the very start of the video . . he's a tall lanky English tattoo'd guy with the mohawk that's dropping a nice little medium range punch on someone . . . if you get a chance check him out. He is really lethal, and really confident. :) :)


-brownsugar :

Nice, brutally efficient takedown. I just heard about this less than 24 hours ago, the superman punch heard round the world. According to wiki GSP is 27 - 2, he had a series of injuries and is reported to be taking time off. He's listed as being the most accomplished welterweight MMA guy ever. Machido is listed as being 29 - 7 . He is also noted as having had an exceptional career This is what's known as longevity for MMA guys.


-stormcentre :

Yeh those guys really are exceptions to what you say though. Not many MMA guys are great all rounders like them; as such most lose frequently. Doesn't mean they're not good though. If you get a chance (assuming you haven't already), take a look at some of Machido's (in his prime) world title defences. The guy has some seriously cool, quick, efficient, slick, and sly moves that control/take distance and also make his strikes extremely hard to anticipate and respond to. Very, very technical, cerebral, and clever.


-DaveB :

Going in I honestly didn't like the fact that Holm was 34 years old but I knew her boxing chops were a big advantage for her. I didn't expect for her to win but I did expect for her to be competitive as long as they were standing. Rousey likes to bum rush and her ego makes her believe she can do that against anyone. She thinks she can out tough and out slug anyone. Against a boxer that is suicide. The other thing was that Holm is a kick boxer. Boxers usually have problems once you take them to the ground because they can't grapple and problem also because they aren't expecting kicks. They rule over anyone with their fists but those kicks catch them unexpectedly. Holm not only can keep you off her with kicks to the body and kicks to the head but she knows how to defend against kicks because she expects them coming at her. She was totally dominant last night. She even managed to not let Rousey wrap her up in a small package when they were on the ground and get the arm bar. I don't think she exposed Rousey but Rousey will have to rethink her strategy coming into the next fight. If I were her I don't think I would rush back into a rematch. She has some things she needs to work on to be able to get to Holm to touch her. I think she will probably lose another one if she goes straight back into a rematch but probably not by knockout. Oh and I never liked Rousey's lack of sportsmanship. Holm offered to touch gloves before the match. And she hugged Rousey after they announced the verdict. Rousey used to decline to offer comfort to her victims save one. Holm didn't let Rousey's behavior affect hers because that is the real person she is and not some act as Rousey called her before the fight.


-Radam G :

Going in I honestly didn't like the fact that Holm was 34 years old but I knew her boxing chops were a big advantage for her. I didn't expect for her to win but I did expect for her to be competitive as long as they were standing. Rousey likes to bum rush and her ego makes her believe she can do that against anyone. She thinks she can out tough and out slug anyone. Against a boxer that is suicide. The other thing was that Holm is a kick boxer. Boxers usually have problems once you take them to the ground because they can't grapple and problem also because they aren't expecting kicks. They rule over anyone with their fists but those kicks catch them unexpectedly. Holm not only can keep you off her with kicks to the body and kicks to the head but she knows how to defend against kicks because she expects them coming at her. She was totally dominant last night. She even managed to not let Rousey wrap her up in a small package when they were on the ground and get the arm bar. I don't think she exposed Rousey but Rousey will have to rethink her strategy coming into the next fight. If I were her I don't think I would rush back into a rematch. She has some things she needs to work on to be able to get to Holm to touch her. I think she will probably lose another one if she goes straight back into a rematch but probably not by knockout. Oh and I never liked Rousey's lack of sportsmanship. Holm offered to touch gloves before the match. And she hugged Rousey after they announced the verdict. Rousey used to decline to offer comfort to her victims save one. Holm didn't let Rousey's behavior affect hers because that is the real person she is and not some act as Rousey called her before the fight.
Darn great analysis. Except you didn't give any luv to LEFTY TIME, BABEEE! The Double H million-dollar doll's lefty-ness confused the Double R MMA dame by doing everything from the opposite side. Something Rousey was not ready for. Holly took Rousey for one heckuva killa short ride and then snuck [sic] her. Holla!


-brownsugar :

Going in I honestly didn't like the fact that Holm was 34 years old but I knew her boxing chops were a big advantage for her. I didn't expect for her to win but I did expect for her to be competitive as long as they were standing. Rousey likes to bum rush and her ego makes her believe she can do that against anyone. She thinks she can out tough and out slug anyone. Against a boxer that is suicide. The other thing was that Holm is a kick boxer. Boxers usually have problems once you take them to the ground because they can't grapple and problem also because they aren't expecting kicks. They rule over anyone with their fists but those kicks catch them unexpectedly. Holm not only can keep you off her with kicks to the body and kicks to the head but she knows how to defend against kicks because she expects them coming at her. She was totally dominant last night. She even managed to not let Rousey wrap her up in a small package when they were on the ground and get the arm bar. I don't think she exposed Rousey but Rousey will have to rethink her strategy coming into the next fight. If I were her I don't think I would rush back into a rematch. She has some things she needs to work on to be able to get to Holm to touch her. I think she will probably lose another one if she goes straight back into a rematch but probably not by knockout. Oh and I never liked Rousey's lack of sportsmanship. Holm offered to touch gloves before the match. And she hugged Rousey after they announced the verdict. Rousey used to decline to offer comfort to her victims save one. Holm didn't let Rousey's behavior affect hers because that is the real person she is and not some act as Rousey called her before the fight.
I finally caught a replay, your description is accurate Dave B, Holm had Rousey launching herself into the cage wall like a missle without a guidance system ......It's the first time I ever saw her fight, im surprised Holm was the first to take advantage of her crude defense. I also read a lot of disapproving posts regarding her shallow behavior. .....well said.


-The Shadow :

I don't know what you guys are talking about. I watched the fight in slow motion. Ronda won.


-Chris L :

From the very little that I saw Rousey came across as a bully before the fight; shouting obscenities at Holm and putting up nasty Twitter messages. Holm seems very humble and likable, I saw an interview with her yesterday and I couldn't see where Rousey's animosity came from, Holm doesn't seem like the sort to trash -talk etc, was grateful for the opportunity that Rousey gave to her & showed concern when Rousey was on the floor looking well and truly beaten up. Anyway going to the fight... I could count on one hand the number of MMA fights I've ever seen, but after 20 seconds of watching this I knew that Holm was superior, she looked like the veteran sparring with the new kid in the gym, every time Rousey would come straight in, no head movement, little upper body movement, Rousey would try to throw a punch but before it hit the mark Holm's left was finding the target every time, throwing Rousey off and leaving Rousey like a deer in headlights. Then when Rousey went back to the corner they were telling her 'beautiful work, keep it up' - did they not watch the same first round? They should have said straight up, 'Rousey, all this boxing talk is going to your head, you cannot box with someone with 35 pro boxing fights, she is too skilled, stay away from boxing her, try to back her up and then take her down, DO NOT box with her'. But alas, Rousey went out trying to box again, and got knocked out (pretty brutally).


-SouthPawFlo :

Are we really talking about Ronda Rousey on thesweetscience website????


-Radam G :

I don't know what you guys are talking about. I watched the fight in slow motion. Ronda won.
Hehehe! You got mad jokes! Give me some of those smokes. Ronda had a lot of hopes. But Holly has too many moves and pokes. On how to handle a boxer, Ronda had no notes. Holla!


-Radam G :

From the very little that I saw Rousey came across as a bully before the fight; shouting obscenities at Holm and putting up nasty Twitter messages. Holm seems very humble and likable, I saw an interview with her yesterday and I couldn't see where Rousey's animosity came from, Holm doesn't seem like the sort to trash -talk etc, was grateful for the opportunity that Rousey gave to her & showed concern when Rousey was on the floor looking well and truly beaten up. Anyway going to the fight... I could count on one hand the number of MMA fights I've ever seen, but after 20 seconds of watching this I knew that Holm was superior, she looked like the veteran sparring with the new kid in the gym, every time Rousey would come straight in, no head movement, little upper body movement, Rousey would try to throw a punch but before it hit the mark Holm's left was finding the target every time, throwing Rousey off and leaving Rousey like a deer in headlights. Then when Rousey went back to the corner they were telling her 'beautiful work, keep it up' - did they not watch the same first round? They should have said straight up, 'Rousey, all this boxing talk is going to your head, you cannot box with someone with 35 pro boxing fights, she is too skilled, stay away from boxing her, try to back her up and then take her down, DO NOT box with her'. But alas, Rousey went out trying to box again, and got knocked out (pretty brutally).
Now that was a good analysis, Chris L. I see you know somethin' somethin' when you want to. NICE! Holla!


-Radam G :

Are we really talking about Ronda Rousey on thesweetscience website????
Her photo was on the "Bible of Boxing." You can bet your arse we are talking about her. She got big headed and was swallowed by a killa boksing whale metaphorically. WTF! She better stay outta those dangerous boksing waters. Next time, the boksing sharks are going to chew that arse up. Holla!


-stormcentre :

Smart move Oscar. Put a female MMA "boxer" (with a 0-0-0 record) on the cover of the Ring; for the very 1st time any female has been on there. And one with a not too straightforward and recent (gender-role reversed) domestic abuse circumstance hanging around her MMA neck. Then only week(s) later she's knocked out (almost) cold in a very exposing MMA fight; by someone that schooled her in boxing. Dettloff (exceptional boxing writer), Randy (ex head honcho of status/sorts I can't remember), and a few of the other really good "The Ring Magazine" writers - that were "moved along" when Oscar bought the magazine/website out and swept in new policies/changes for the "future of the sport/magazine" - would be laughing their socks off. I know I have found it more than a little humorous. And that's even without exploiting how needlessly full of herself and her abilities Rousey is; or is that was now? :) :) :)


-kidcanvas :

they took holm like anyone else would have when looking for rouseys first boxing opponent ,past her best ,has a known name,ex Boxing champion,looked good yet was going to be a good win for rousey, well that didnt turn out to good for ronda, they should of did a better job scouting her,she is a dedicated athlete with nothing to lose ,everything to gain.. she knew just what she was doing the other night,matter of fact looked better at the sport than rousey did which tells me shes been doing quite a bit of it.she was ready for this . Congrats Holly,im glad for you


-Froggy :

I don't know what you guys are talking about. I watched the fight in slow motion. Ronda won.
Ha, ha, ha ,ha good one Shadow !


-miguel1 :

Hate to say it Ronda, but you left the Trailer Park, it never left you.


-miguel1 :

I know a little about MMA, lol. I was a matchmaker in MMA for 10 years or so and I had access to a lot of the top level guys for my fights. They are Jacks of All Trades, masters of none. The fact to me is the wide diversity of combat techniques available in MMA mean the athlete cant really get into the nuances of the truly high level game. Even a top wrestler who comes over to MMA, I bet he would lose a wrestling match against another top level guy, because there will be a slip in technique. If you want to see a truly great MMA stand up fighter take a look at the now retired Yves Edwards. I remember in the late 1990s watching MMA with a martial artist in his 70s, who was dying, and he looked at me and he said "this breaks down to bad boxing really". And it still does more often than not. You may not like the grouund game, but that is because they practice it at the level of boxing in other words, there are no truly great submission wizards in MMA. UFC is mainly about conditioning.
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5orIPko41Fk


-miguel1 :

If you look at the highlight of Yves above, he got the kick to the neck WAY before Holly did! :) This was my match from a show we did in Russia. two guys who later went on to the UFC scene. Yves Edwards vs Mike Brown. This is when we were ballin' the scene is like 300 people watching and the room is supposed to be like a ballroom from a mansion.....
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ5UbVsrmYg


-amayseng :

I finally caught a replay, your description is accurate Dave B, Holm had Rousey launching herself into the cage wall like a missle without a guidance system ......It's the first time I ever saw her fight, im surprised Holm was the first to take advantage of her crude defense. I also read a lot of disapproving posts regarding her shallow behavior. .....well said.
HH was able to do what mma fighters cant do, use real boxing.


-King Beef :

Indeed Rousey made a name for herself in the MMA world, but her constant calling out and badgering of Floyd made her come to the attention of a ton of people like myself who never ever knew Rousey existed until she started fronting on Floyd. Her braggadociuos ways got her mentioned on all kinds of websites like this one. It's only ok to boast if you can back it up. I was wrong about Holm being too shot to beat Rousey, most boxers cant do anything to prevent the takedown or get away from the knees elbows, kicks and submission holds. But Holm nailed the garbage talking woman with a beauty. Congrats to Holm. I'm not particular happy that she got crushed the way she did because Rousey didn't mean that much to me in the first place but I am happy for Holm,...good job sista, .....another one bites the dust. Maybe now this proves that Rousey was never able to compete with any well trained boxer, much less the best fighter of this generation. Deep was right when he said she might get clipped. Much props. Maybe now Rousey will focus on herself instead of spouting off about things that she has no knowlege of. BOXING IS STILL KING!!!!
B-Sug, what goin on my friend. I gotta believe the UFC/Dana White only has himself to blame...they put so much into RR and it has paid off, but this scenario that unfolded last night was a temporary kick to the gut(or shall I say face). They put so much into building the "Legend of Rhonda Rousey", that her ever losing could not be a option. And you are correct to some degree on using Floyd's name for "pub", her star was manufactured with these tall tales of NOBODY being able to beat her, and her coach saying she is knocking out boxing champs every day in practice with body shots and everything short of turning water into wine. Its funny how Mayweather's name comes up in the 2 star's mouth that are being prepped to take the company into the next era, while they wait to see what becomes of the GSP's, JBJ (Bones Jones), and Spider Silva. That whole I hate Mayweather because he has the domestic violence cases was always strange to me, when you have a UFC guy right now in jail for damn near beating his gf to death, and not so many words from Ms.Rousey. (but that guy is mid to low level and Floyd is Floyd). I have to admit I was shocked to see how Holly dominated her, because the current roster of 135# females have nothing to counteract her Judo, which IS top notch. but I will let you in on a little secret....if you are not attacking, moving away from, and not allowing fulcrums to be created and balance which boxers are very adept.....judo becomes less effective. Rousey bout into her hype and paid for it; she will be fine and hopefully it humble her a bit.


-brownsugar :

B-Sug, what goin on my friend. I gotta believe the UFC/Dana White only has himself to blame...they put so much into RR and it has paid off, but this scenario that unfolded last night was a temporary kick to the gut(or shall I say face). They put so much into building the "Legend of Rhonda Rousey", that her ever losing could not be a option. And you are correct to some degree on using Floyd's name for "pub", her star was manufactured with these tall tales of NOBODY being able to beat her, and her coach saying she is knocking out boxing champs every day in practice with body shots and everything short of turning water into wine. Its funny how Mayweather's name comes up in the 2 star's mouth that are being prepped to take the company into the next era, while they wait to see what becomes of the GSP's, JBJ (Bones Jones), and Spider Silva. That whole I hate Mayweather because he has the domestic violence cases was always strange to me, when you have a UFC guy right now in jail for damn near beating his gf to death, and not so many words from Ms.Rousey. (but that guy is mid to low level and Floyd is Floyd). I have to admit I was shocked to see how Holly dominated her, because the current roster of 135# females have nothing to counteract her Judo, which IS top notch. but I will let you in on a little secret....if you are not attacking, moving away from, and not allowing fulcrums to be created and balance which boxers are very adept.....judo becomes less effective. Rousey bout into her hype and paid for it; she will be fine and hopefully it humble her a bit.
******Everything's beefy over here King. But watch yourself, turning over that many stones of truth could earn you an appointment with a long range sniper rifle. Lol... You're so right,... especially about Rousey's hip toss, the best around, I'm told that if she gets a grip on any part of her opponent, they were history. Not unlike some of those super grappler dudes who were dominating (briefly) with double leg takedowns. But if you wanna hip toss a real boxer, be prepared to deal with reflexes far beyond that of a local bouncer. Great post!!!!


-King Beef :

[/QUOTE=King Beef;90272]B-Sug, what goin on my friend. I gotta believe the UFC/Dana White only has himself to blame...they put so much into RR and it has paid off, but this scenario that unfolded last night was a temporary kick to the gut(or shall I say face). They put so much into building the "Legend of Rhonda Rousey", that her ever losing could not be a option. And you are correct to some degree on using Floyd's name for "pub", her star was manufactured with these tall tales of NOBODY being able to beat her, and her coach saying she is knocking out boxing champs every day in practice with body shots and everything short of turning water into wine. Its funny how Mayweather's name comes up in the 2 star's mouth that are being prepped to take the company into the next era, while they wait to see what becomes of the GSP's, JBJ (Bones Jones), and Spider Silva. That whole I hate Mayweather because he has the domestic violence cases was always strange to me, when you have a UFC guy right now in jail for damn near beating his gf to death, and not so many words from Ms.Rousey. (but that guy is mid to low level and Floyd is Floyd). I have to admit I was shocked to see how Holly dominated her, because the current roster of 135# females have nothing to counteract her Judo, which IS top notch. but I will let you in on a little secret....if you are not attacking, moving away from, and not allowing fulcrums to be created and balance which boxers are very adept.....judo becomes less effective. Rousey bout into her hype and paid for it; she will be fine and hopefully it humble her a bit.
******Everything's beefy over here King. But watch yourself, turning over that many stones of truth could earn you an appointment with a long range sniper rifle. Lol... You're so right,... especially about Rousey's hip toss, the best around, I'm told that if she gets a grip on any part of her opponent, they were history. Not unlike some of those super grappler dudes who were dominating (briefly) with double leg takedowns. But if you wanna hip toss a real boxer, be prepared to deal with reflexes far beyond that of a local bouncer. Great post!!!![/QUOTE] Lol, I have been tossed around to enough to know! Granted she was in there with women that stood no chance,....(before Holm) but her skillset is top notch attitude ...not so much, but it worked for her I guess. As much as I hate to admit a good wrestler is somewhat kryptonite to a judoka...great balance and functional strength evens the playing field quite a bit


-brownsugar :

******Everything's beefy over here King. But watch yourself, turning over that many stones of truth could earn you an appointment with a long range sniper rifle. Lol... You're so right,... especially about Rousey's hip toss, the best around, I'm told that if she gets a grip on any part of her opponent, they were history. Not unlike some of those super grappler dudes who were dominating (briefly) with double leg takedowns. But if you wanna hip toss a real boxer, be prepared to deal with reflexes far beyond that of a local bouncer. Great post!!!!
Lol, I have been tossed around to enough to know! Granted she was in there with women that stood no chance,....(before Holm) but her skillset is top notch attitude ...not so much, but it worked for her I guess. As much as I hate to admit a good wrestler is somewhat kryptonite to a judoka...great balance and functional strength evens the playing field quite a bit[/QUOTE] Yep and wrestlers can be susceptible to submission masters partly because they are so conscious of lying on their backs and wrestling isn't based on torture moves...all of that is illegal in wrestling.......rock, paper, scissors.. . You'll have to share one of your judoka stories when you have time.


-Radam G :

they took holm like anyone else would have when looking for rouseys first boxing opponent ,past her best ,has a known name,ex Boxing champion,looked good yet was going to be a good win for rousey, well that didnt turn out to good for ronda, they should of did a better job scouting her,she is a dedicated athlete with nothing to lose ,everything to gain.. she knew just what she was doing the other night,matter of fact looked better at the sport than rousey did which tells me shes been doing quite a bit of it.she was ready for this . Congrats Holly,im glad for you
Team Rousey no doubt did a dumb-arse thing not scouting Holm for this fight. Rousey ran into Superwoman and didn't have any kryptonite. Holla!


-Radam G :

Hate to say it Ronda, but you left the Trailer Park, it never left you.
I'm naive about Trailer Parks. Help a dude out? If that something like: "You can take the boy out of the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out of the boy?" Holla!


-miguel1 :

I'm naive about Trailer Parks. Help a dude out? If that something like: "You can take the boy out of the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out of the boy?" Holla!
Yes that is what it means. I found her to be classless from the very start. Just my .02 cents ;)


-SuperLight :

Yes that is what it means. I found her to be classless from the very start. Just my .02 cents ;)
I haven't seen much of Rousey, just an interview in print and a few choice quotes without much context. Besides that, she featured in the Entourage film (I watched it on a plane, ok?) and was portrayed as someone with some rage issues. Surely it's meant as a ****-take, but I believe behind most jokes is an element of truth. A nice touch was one of the characters in the movie told Rousey he boxed and did some cardio, which she said was "cute". I hope Ronda gets into boxing more after this fight - another illustration that it's not as simple as people presume. So many think that the sweet science is limited or antiquated... and long ago I was one of them for a time. As inspiring as Bruce Lee and Dan Inosanto's efforts have been in promoting a fusion of deadly arts, it has a long way to go to be a fair or noble sport, if that's even possible. In fact, I wonder what the representatives of jeet kune do/nameless and formless art think of the Dana White empire.


-DaveB :

Yeah lefty time was definitely happening. Believe or not, I believe Ronda Rousey is as good as advertised. She is all world when it comes to applying that arm bar. However you cannot try to beat someone at their own game. Being a good striker is not being a boxer. Look at the big, strong professional football players who tried to box - Ed Too Tall Jones, Mark Gastineau, Lyle Alzado (even though that was just sparring he almost got knocked out) you can't just go into another person's line of expertise and make a go of it. Ronda was used of dominating women on her level with her rushes and toughness. She should have shown more respect to Holly, especially after eating all those Everlast sandwiches. I have watched numerous Rousey fights and I only remember her once showing sympathy towards an opponent. It was after the woman got caught early in a submission hold, I mean seconds into the fight. The woman just looked so dejected and down on herself as she sat on the canvas because she never got a chance to get going. Rousey bent down and put her hand on her shoulder, consoled her and told her she would give her a rematch. Other than that her sportsmanship has been horrendous. When some of the women wanted to shake hands after a bout she would say I can't.


-Radam G :

Yeah lefty time was definitely happening. Believe or not, I believe Ronda Rousey is as good as advertised. She is all world when it comes to applying that arm bar. However you cannot try to beat someone at their own game. Being a good striker is not being a boxer. Look at the big, strong professional football players who tried to box - Ed Too Tall Jones, Mark Gastineau, Lyle Alzado (even though that was just sparring he almost got knocked out) you can't just go into another person's line of expertise and make a go of it. Ronda was used of dominating women on her level with her rushes and toughness. She should have shown more respect to Holly, especially after eating all those Everlast sandwiches. I have watched numerous Rousey fights and I only remember her once showing sympathy towards an opponent. It was after the woman got caught early in a submission hold, I mean seconds into the fight. The woman just looked so dejected and down on herself as she sat on the canvas because she never got a chance to get going. Rousey bent down and put her hand on her shoulder, consoled her and told her she would give her a rematch. Other than that her sportsmanship has been horrendous. When some of the women wanted to shake hands after a bout she would say I can't.
"Rowdy" Ronda Rousey should press attempted murder charges against "Evil" Vic Dachinyan for deceiving her into thinking that she had gifted boxing skills. Holla at him bulljiving her into thinking that she could box:
->https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=27vO8FdbQzk and
->https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn-Nw0GRLkc. Holla!