Golovkin Trainer Sanchez Responds To Floyd’s Fight Hype Remarks

Some of y’all who don’t care for Floyd Mayweather, his risk averse style of fighting, his “the bling is the thing” fixation on money…you might be saying to yourself, man, how can we miss you if you don’t go away?

The “Money” man stepped away from the ring after his September win over Andre Berto, but his presence is still primary in the game..Manny Pacquiao said he’s negotiating with Floyd people for a rematch, and he’s still promoting fights, and still talking about the sport. On Fight Hype, he touched on a range of subjects, including who maybe deserves the No. 1 pound for pound slot in the game. Does Gennady Golovkin? Here’s a snippet from his Fight Hype chat: “The thing is, as far as boxing, it’s all about taking risks and taking chances. I did it. I took risks. I took chances. I’m just waiting to see if Triple G is going to go up and fight Andre Ward. I’m going to be convinced when he can go up and beat Andre Ward. Until then, I’m not convinced.”

Ok, interesting. I think he won’t get across the board pushback on not being fully sold on 3G until GGG gets that signature tangle. But about him taking risks…I think you will get loads of pushback on that one, from the “Floyd cherrypicked brigade.”

I touched based with Golovkins’ trainer, Abel Sanchez, fresh off celebrating his 60th birthday. What did he think of that Ward/Golovkin topic from Floyd? Do you, Abel, perceive that Floyd took risks on the order of GGG going up to meet a guy suited for 175 pounds? Also, what about that supposed insitutional preference for a Caucasian standard-bearer?

Sanchez read this material, and said, “I agree with your points and will point out that Floyd sold out the MGM how many fights in a row, I can’t believe that all those fights were attended by all non-white fans, so I think Floyd has fans from all races, as does Ward. The success that GGG is having is due to fighting consistently, his demeanor towards all fans, media, his character and honesty is evident, and that endears and makes followers of non-boxing fans.”

I agree…and add that that manner of being, to me, is more impressive than PPV numbers. So, when I see the mockingbirds trying to crap on the GGG PPV numbers I sorta squint and say, yeah, no, don’t you get that a fixation on numbers as a gauge of success is a spiritually deficient methodology? I fall for it, too, mind you, I pursue numbers…but no, it’s not the enlightened path.

Sanchez continued: “Also the success, opportunities and fights that GGG is having were planned way in advance, sometimes 6-8 months, so the planning of fights and opponents have to be penciled in against names that are for sure. GGG wants to fight three to four times per year, when opponents have persistent issues, injuries, legal troubles, it would be very irresponsible for us as the GGG team to book or schedule fights with names that are not dependable.”

Yes, indeed, Sanchez is referring to Ward here, for those unsure. Ward had to pull out of a Nov. 21 fight because of a bum knee, and was on the shelf for two years with a promoter beef, after being off because of an arm injury.

“GGG will continue to fight and attempt to unify the 160 pounds division, move up or down when it makes financial sense and/or when we have a willing, dependable opponent,” Sanchez said, in closing.

Oh, another thing to chew on..I think that it’s possible that his race may have helped him more than he realizes, in a way Floyd’s not considering…one does wonder how many people paid to watch him fight to see him lose, because they didn’t care for what he stood for, as a successful and independent black man? So Floyd says, “From the looks of things, what’s going on in the sport of boxing, they want their superstar to be Caucasian. It’s obvious.” And just maybe that preference, felt by many boxing fans, actually bolstered his bottom line…

Thoughts, readers?

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COMMENTS

-Radam G :

Wow! Maybe you have to be black AmerKano to fully understand what da double fudge Lil Floyd is talking about. I was told that, any way. I'm at a loss. Somebodeee and dey sidekick, please holla about what da puck is going on. One minute, Lil Floyd's groupies, peons and fanboys will holla that "boxing is a black and brown sport dominated by blacks." And the next minute, they will say that "boxing is a racist sport ran by "evil, greedy white men." But when you mention Da Don K, tsAH, Akbar Muhammad, Murad Muhammad and the corrupted major alphabet sanctioning organization being run by Browns and blacks, the haters want to jump into your grill and call you a snitch "POS, who loves whitey." Whatever! Lil Floyd is going off because he is planning to scrap again. Holla!


-Radam G :

And not against 3g. Holla!


-amayseng :

Floyd is a racist, and an unintelligent one at that. What is sad is that young blacks will hang onto his every word and become racist along with him. Foolish.


-Art :

FM must be losing it! I think he is getting closer and closer to being a full blown Sociopath! He's always been border line but now it seems he's getting out there!! I wonder what "risks" he's talking about?! After one of his fights, i think it was Baldomir, he started crying because nobody liked him. Writers took a much softer stance against him after that. They never called him out for running and clinching and making all his fights boring snoozefests!! That's why I appreciate this site, because you guys are not scared of him or to write the truth. That's my two cents.


-michigan400 :

That's just Floyds method for publicity. It's rather "cookie cutter" and predictable at this point since we have seen it so many times. Now we have Ward tentatively trying it on for size and pretty much all of the PBC fighters are following the Floyd plan as well. Boxing is turning into the WWF or WWE or whatever that fake wrestling goes by now.


-Domenic :

It's odd that Floyd cites risk, because in spite of his IMMENSE talent, his hallmark was averting risk. Ok, Corrales (prior to when the Twin Towers fell, a world away), then Cotto and Alvarez (to a degree), other than that, I just don't see it. Prior to the ODLH fight, Floyd spoke of fighting Winky Wright and Hopkins. That spirit has been long gone for at least a decade. The sad part of it is the unknown. He MIGHT have been TBE, but we'll never know, because you don't inherit such a lofty historical position by fighting the Zab Judahs of the world coming off a loss to Baldomir. And waiting guys out while they deteriorate (we all know the names). It's brilliant for business, and he's unmatched in the carnival aspect of the sport, but when you get into the grit, he's at the Joe Calzaghe level all time. A very nice career, a Hall-of-Famer, but not transcendent. Now it's a fair argument that Gennady hasn't fought a murderers row, I get it. But aside from Ward, a guy that campaigns at LH and was on the shelf during the Golovkin rise, who's he avoided? Mortcola described FM best in a separate thread, and I'll paraphrase. He was a guy who mastered one aspect -defense- but that was really it.


-stormcentre :

Floyd is a racist, and an unintelligent one at that. What is sad is that young blacks will hang onto his every word and become racist along with him. Foolish.
Yes I know, imagine hanging on to every word someone says when its a lie and unintelligent rambling, and then supporting them. Who would be stupid enough to do that.
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?22957-Why-It-Matters-If-That-Mayweather-Rumor-Is-Truth&p=90109&viewfull=1#post90109
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?22957-Why-It-Matters-If-That-Mayweather-Rumor-Is-Truth&p=89659&viewfull=1#post89659 Still (even if it just for Floyd's sake and doing so means we get to laugh less) you should to cut Floyd some slack my genius Amayzzzing Oracle. After all, Floyd's never going to be as intelligent, honest, consistent, and non-foolish, as you; is he? How could he? How could anyone be? After all what would the ~20 years in the sport and at the top, multi-world champion, and millionaire Floyd, know about boxing and it's business? Love it!!! :) :) :)


-stormcentre :

That's just Floyds method for publicity. It's rather "cookie cutter" and predictable at this point since we have seen it so many times. Now we have Ward tentatively trying it on for size and pretty much all of the PBC fighters are following the Floyd plan as well. Boxing is turning into the WWF or WWE or whatever that fake wrestling goes by now.
Never thought I'd say this; but exactly right Minchigin. :) :)


-stormcentre :

It's odd that Floyd cites risk, because in spite of his IMMENSE talent, his hallmark was averting risk. Ok, Corrales (prior to when the Twin Towers fell, a world away), then Cotto and Alvarez (to a degree), other than that, I just don't see it. Prior to the ODLH fight, Floyd spoke of fighting Winky Wright and Hopkins. That spirit has been long gone for at least a decade. The sad part of it is the unknown. He MIGHT have been TBE, but we'll never know, because you don't inherit such a lofty historical position by fighting the Zab Judahs of the world coming off a loss to Baldomir. And waiting guys out while they deteriorate (we all know the names). It's brilliant for business, and he's unmatched in the carnival aspect of the sport, but when you get into the grit, he's at the Joe Calzaghe level all time. A very nice career, a Hall-of-Famer, but not transcendent. Now it's a fair argument that Gennady hasn't fought a murderers row, I get it. But aside from Ward, a guy that campaigns at LH and was on the shelf during the Golovkin rise, who's he avoided? Mortcola described FM best in a separate thread, and I'll paraphrase.
He was a guy who mastered one aspect -defense- but that was really it.
Not sure about that. Floyd - love or hate him - has mastered a little bit more than defence. Here are a few examples; 1) Timing. 2) Speed. 3) Supreme championship stamina. 4) Brilliant in-fight strategician. 5) Awesome adaptability. 6) Second to none determination and willpower. 7) Mind-bogglingly clever combinations; admittedly they were mostly as Pretty Boy. 8) Extreme longevity; even if you accept the negativity about his risk averse matchmaking. 9) Second to none balance and distance skills. 10) Ability to vary tempo and fight or box with any style. No-one gets to Floyd's level, stays in the game as long as he has (whether they're at the top or not), earns all the titles Floyd has, and beats the champions Floyd has; with only one arrow on their pouch. Floyd, as Money May, was no more managed than 3G is now. :) :) :)


-stormcentre :

It's odd that Floyd cites risk, because in spite of his IMMENSE talent, his hallmark was averting risk. Ok, Corrales (prior to when the Twin Towers fell, a world away), then Cotto and Alvarez (to a degree), other than that, I just don't see it. Prior to the ODLH fight, Floyd spoke of fighting Winky Wright and Hopkins. That spirit has been long gone for at least a decade. The sad part of it is the unknown. He MIGHT have been TBE, but we'll never know, because you don't inherit such a lofty historical position by fighting the Zab Judahs of the world coming off a loss to Baldomir. And waiting guys out while they deteriorate (we all know the names). It's brilliant for business, and he's unmatched in the carnival aspect of the sport, but when you get into the grit, he's at the Joe Calzaghe level all time. A very nice career, a Hall-of-Famer, but not transcendent. Now it's a fair argument that Gennady hasn't fought a murderers row, I get it. But aside from Ward, a guy that campaigns at LH and was on the shelf during the Golovkin rise, who's he avoided? Mortcola described FM best in a separate thread, and I'll paraphrase.
He was a guy who mastered one aspect -defense- but that was really it.
Not sure I agree with that that, and appreciate you're just quoting someone else. Floyd - love or hate him - has mastered a little bit more than defence. Here are a few examples; 1) Timing. 2) Speed. 3) Supreme championship stamina. 4) Brilliant in-fight strategist. 5) Awesome adaptability. 6) Second to none determination and willpower. 7) Mind-bogglingly clever combinations; admittedly they were mostly as Pretty Boy. 8) Extreme longevity; even if you accept the negativity about his risk averse matchmaking. 9) Second to none balance and distance skills. 10) Ability to vary tempo and fight or box with any style and in multiple weight divisions. 11) Has built a legacy without an over reliance on catch-weights. 12) The complaints that some fans have about Floyd's matchmaking are, in reality, no worse than some other fighters out there; that are accepted for it, have not been in the top echelons of game for half the time Floyd has, and are not veterans . . . . where perhaps the matchmaking concerns - if wholly accepted - are more acceptable. No-one gets to Floyd's level, stays in the game as long as he has (whether they're at the top or not), earns all the titles Floyd has, and beats the champions Floyd has; with only one arrow on their pouch. Floyd, as Money May, was no more managed than 3G is now. :) :) :)


-stormcentre :

It's odd that Floyd cites risk, because in spite of his IMMENSE talent, his hallmark was averting risk. Ok, Corrales (prior to when the Twin Towers fell, a world away), then Cotto and Alvarez (to a degree), other than that, I just don't see it. Prior to the ODLH fight, Floyd spoke of fighting Winky Wright and Hopkins. That spirit has been long gone for at least a decade. The sad part of it is the unknown. He MIGHT have been TBE, but we'll never know, because you don't inherit such a lofty historical position by fighting the Zab Judahs of the world coming off a loss to Baldomir. And waiting guys out while they deteriorate (we all know the names). It's brilliant for business, and he's unmatched in the carnival aspect of the sport, but when you get into the grit, he's at the Joe Calzaghe level all time. A very nice career, a Hall-of-Famer, but not transcendent. Now it's a fair argument that Gennady hasn't fought a murderers row, I get it. But aside from Ward, a guy that campaigns at LH and was on the shelf during the Golovkin rise, who's he avoided? Mortcola described FM best in a separate thread, and I'll paraphrase.
He was a guy who mastered one aspect -defense- but that was really it.
Not sure I agree with that that, and appreciate you're just quoting someone else. Floyd - love or hate him - has mastered a little bit more than defence. Here are a few examples; 1) Timing; surely the close to, if not the, best in the business. 2) Speed; pretty good, and it hasn't slowed down too much as he's aged either. 3) Supreme championship stamina; the guy is never gassed. 4) Brilliant in-fight strategist; what can you say - dude can read a fight and it's tangibles enough to prove everyone wrong over and over. 5) Awesome adaptability; can fighter boxers and sluggers. 6) Second to none determination and willpower; never short of confidence and delivers the good on the back of it. 7) Mind-bogglingly clever combinations; admittedly they were mostly as Pretty Boy. Check even the Canelo and Cotto fights, but in some of Floyd's Pretty Boy fights he displayed other-worldly punching abilities. They were simply breathtaking; even for seasoned ringside commentators/fighters. 8) Extreme longevity; even if you accept the negativity about his risk averse matchmaking. Who else has been at the top for as long as Floyd? Floyd has fought Pac, Cotto, Canelo, Oscar, Maidana, and many others as Pretty Boy and - often against an avalanche of predictions/hopes - beaten them all. 9) Second to none balance and distance skills. Comes with a great amateur pedigree and growing up in a family that forced Floyd to learn all the aspects of boxing. 10) Ability to vary tempo and fight or box with any style and in multiple weight divisions. Check all his fights for proof. 11) Has built a legacy without an over reliance on catch-weights. Check all his fights for proof. 12) The complaints that some fans have about Floyd's matchmaking are, in reality, no worse than some other fighters out there; that are accepted for it, have not been in the top echelons of game for half the time Floyd has, and are not veterans . . . . where perhaps the matchmaking concerns - if wholly accepted - are more acceptable. No-one gets to Floyd's level, stays in the game as long as he has (whether they're at the top or not), earns all the titles Floyd has, and beats the champions Floyd has; with only one arrow on their pouch. Floyd, as Money May, was no more managed than 3G is now. :) :) :)


-stormcentre :

It's odd that Floyd cites risk, because in spite of his IMMENSE talent, his hallmark was averting risk. Ok, Corrales (prior to when the Twin Towers fell, a world away), then Cotto and Alvarez (to a degree), other than that, I just don't see it. Prior to the ODLH fight, Floyd spoke of fighting Winky Wright and Hopkins. That spirit has been long gone for at least a decade. The sad part of it is the unknown. He MIGHT have been TBE, but we'll never know, because you don't inherit such a lofty historical position by fighting the Zab Judahs of the world coming off a loss to Baldomir. And waiting guys out while they deteriorate (we all know the names). It's brilliant for business, and he's unmatched in the carnival aspect of the sport, but when you get into the grit, he's at the Joe Calzaghe level all time. A very nice career, a Hall-of-Famer, but not transcendent. Now it's a fair argument that Gennady hasn't fought a murderers row, I get it. But aside from Ward, a guy that campaigns at LH and was on the shelf during the Golovkin rise, who's he avoided? Mortcola described FM best in a separate thread, and I'll paraphrase.
He was a guy who mastered one aspect -defense- but that was really it.
Not sure I agree with that that, and appreciate you're just quoting someone else. Floyd - love or hate him - has mastered a little bit more than defence. Here are a few examples; 1) Timing; surely the close to, if not the, best in the business. 2) Speed; pretty good, and it hasn't slowed down too much as he's aged either. 3) Supreme championship stamina; the guy is never gassed. 4) Brilliant in-fight strategist; what can you say - dude can read a fight and it's tangibles enough to prove everyone wrong over and over. 5) Awesome adaptability; can fighter boxers and sluggers. 6) Second to none determination and willpower; never short of confidence and delivers the good on the back of it. 7) Mind-bogglingly clever combinations; admittedly they were mostly as Pretty Boy. Check even the Canelo and Cotto fights, but in some of Floyd's Pretty Boy fights he displayed other-worldly punching abilities. They were simply breathtaking; even for seasoned ringside commentators/fighters. 8) Extreme longevity; even if you accept the negativity about his risk averse matchmaking. Who else has been at the top for as long as Floyd? Floyd has fought Pac, Cotto, Canelo, Oscar, Maidana, and many others as Pretty Boy and - often against an avalanche of predictions/hopes - beaten them all. 9) Second to none balance and distance skills. Comes with a great amateur pedigree and growing up in a family that forced Floyd to learn all the aspects of boxing. 10) Ability to vary tempo and fight or box with any style and in multiple weight divisions. Check all his fights for proof. 11) Has built a legacy without an over reliance on catch-weights. Check all his fights for proof. 12) The complaints that some fans have about Floyd's matchmaking are, in reality, no worse than some other fighters out there; that are accepted for it, have not been in the top echelons of game for half the time Floyd has, and are not veterans . . . . where perhaps the matchmaking concerns - if wholly accepted - are more acceptable. No-one gets to Floyd's level, stays in the game as long as he has (whether they're at the top or not), earns all the titles Floyd has, and beats the champions Floyd has; with only one arrow on their pouch. Floyd, as Money May, was no more managed than 3G is now. Sure Floyd is not as good as some of the other all time greats. But even if you take on board all the negativity and criticism (which heightened/peaked when he beat Pac) Floyd is no one trick (defence) pony, and he's pretty special as a technical fighter too. He's just not as special as a technical fighter as he is a target for people that love to dislike and rubbish him. Still, aside from the fact that I am sure those that don't like him and rubbish him frequently (I know it's not everyone) have all done their time in the ring as a successful professional fighter and use that as a basis for their judgment, each to their own. :) :) :)


-kidcanvas :

Ha Ha "The Floyd CherryPicked Brigade" perfect & true


-brownsugar :

What's wrong with Floyd suggesting that Golovkin fight Ward ? Floyd himself has fought and challenged larger fighters his whole career. GGG talked of fighting Ward and Hopkins when he finally got the spotlite, even showing up at Ward's press conference on one occasion while telling the press he was ready for Ward. Only to retract the challenge when Ward accepted. All the sudden Ward doesn't bring enough to the table his management conveniently says, ....but Geale, Rubio and Monroe junior somehow do. Lol.... Make no mistake, Golovkin is good, I predicted his success years ago.... So no one should get offended. Hagler fought his whole career and was never criticized for not moving up to fight Spinx. So I don't fault GGG for not taking the fight. But Floyd has a valid point, and has himself moved up from 130 to 154....be was publically challenging Mosely, Del LA Hoya and Tzyu when he was still a 130 pounder. So What's racist about his comments? .....its a Legitimate question.


-deepwater2 :

I think the whole racist thing comes from Floyd saying the powers that be want a white champion .


-amayseng :

I think the whole racist thing comes from Floyd saying the powers that be want a white champion .
Bingo


-brownsugar :

Are we talking about Floyd being racially sensitive? Or is he calling caucasion folks racist names? Or is he being called a racist for calling the promoters and distributors of boxing racists?... because he perceives that the viewing public would rather watch other caucasions. I can understand why Floyd would feel this way but This would be an error because it's a fact that Klitschko had to go to Germany to make his fortune after HBO blacklisted him for years.... so much for the white hope theory. I'm not trying to be inflamatory but I have to wonder. Because the word racist seems to go a long way to describe many diverse situations that may not,....at the root, be racist at all. On my second job there are a lot of Africans working there, at least 9 different nations are represented on this job.... Apparently warehouse work is is standard entry level employment for our diverse international community here in the heart of America. The reason I bring this up is because of an incident which I thought was humorous, .....a white lady had a minor complaint about the way one of the African guys was doing his job and made a comment. The African worker shook his head and said, "Americans",... this prompted the caucasion lady to become offended and accuse the African immigrant of committing an act of "racism". She began shouting that she herself was not a racist because she was infact married to a full-blooded American Indian, ... this holy union of matrimony between herself and a native american, somehow exonerates her of being a racist. (and I'm not saying that she is) I percieved the entire squabble as simply being a misunderstanding of cultural differences. With both sides having preconceptions about the other. I think that Floyd is confusing racism with his antiquated concept of marketing which is easy to do. The old concept that its easier to sell caucasion athletes than it is to sell black athletes. The fact is, American have become acclimated to watching blacks after the desegregation of sports many decades ago. (At least when it comes to major sports) And with citizens being offended at being called an American, and feeling like they were just called a racist term,.... is just proof that we all still have a long way to go.... many wounds still in need of healing.


-Radam G :

Are we talking about Floyd being racially sensitive? Or is he calling caucasion folks racist names? Or is he being called a racist for calling the promoters and distributors of boxing racists?... because he perceives that the viewing public would rather watch other caucasions. I can understand why Floyd would feel this way but This would be an error because it's a fact that Klitschko had to go to Germany to make his fortune after HBO blacklisted him for years.... so much for the white hope theory. I'm not trying to be inflamatory but I have to wonder. Because the word racist seems to go a long way to describe many diverse situations that may not,....at the root, be racist at all. On my second job there are a lot of Africans working there, at least 9 different nations are represented on this job.... Apparently warehouse work is is standard entry level employment for our diverse international community here in the heart of America. The reason I bring this up is because of an incident which I thought was humorous, .....a white lady had a minor complaint about the way one of the African guys was doing his job and made a comment. The African worker shook his head and said, "Americans",... this prompted the caucasion lady to become offended accuse the African immigrant of "racism". She began shouting that she herself was not a racist because she was infact married to a full-blooded American Indian, ... this holy union of matrimony between herself and a native american, somehow exonerates her of being a racist. (and I'm not saying that she is) I percieved the entire squabble as simply being a misunderstanding of cultural differences. With both sides having preconceptions about the other. I think that Floyd is confusing racism with his antiquated concept of marketing which is easy to do. The old concept that its easier to sell caucasion athletes than it is to sell black athletes. The fact is, American have become acclimated to watching blacks after the desegregation of sports many decades ago. And with citizens being offended at being called an American, and feeling like they were just called a racist term,.... is just proof that we all still have a long way to go.... many wounds still in need of healing.
Wow! You are good! But I know what time it is. Cut the crap and bulljive! "Because the word racist seems to go a long way to describe many diverse situations that may not (-- at the root --) be racist at all." GTFOH! Money May is an admitted racist. And he will tell you that he is. "Because I don't care who you are, or what you say," He will shout. "But ev'ybodee is racist. No matter if they know it, or not. Yeah I'm racist. 'Cause no matter what, to the white man, Imma a rich [N-word]...(tsAH) is a smart, rich [N-word], and they call my pops a convicted [N-word]...." Don't let me have to holla at YouTube, because Lil Floyd speaks volumes of what he is by proxy and bytch male foxy. Oh, YES! Money May is a he diva. There is more sugar in his tank and tude than in "Little" Richard, Ruth Paul, Diana Ross and Aretha Franklin combined. And, don't pull some inner-color-out-of-group jive. When warehouse-working Africans say "American," they are taking about the white ones. So your African co-workers were slicking racism on the white lady worker, plane and simple. Do you always have to try to feed us a bunch crock up here in this Universe? You have been around the world, so your know when racism is breaking out. Don't hide! Have a little pride. Call a spade a spade. And don't masquerade in the shade. Racism exist in boksing. And The Money Team, TsAH and Money May and his groupies and peons lead the pack. And they are always on sneak attack. And then playing the race card! And talking smack. Holla!


-stormcentre :

Hmm nobody (here) made such a (continuously) big deal about the racist remarks Hopkins said to Calzaghe. Still, Hopkins didn't beat Pac and prove all the emotional Pac supporters wrong did he? Love it. The issue is mostly a
Storm in a teacup; with substance that's easy to deliberately misconceive, distort, and use for personal purposes. How many fighters these days dismiss other fighters the way Floyd did of 3G. Floyd - after all he has achieved - has a right to. If people could understand Gennady's native toungue/language they may be surprised about what he says. 3G and his entire USA persona is quite manufactured. Perhaps that's (and jumping on every singe possibly negative thing about Floyd, is) what (some) people like Let's call a spade a spade, and don't masquerade in the shade. :) :)


-brownsugar :

Hmm nobody (here) made such a (continuously) big deal about the racist remarks Hopkins said to Calzaghe. Still, Hopkins didn't beat Pac and prove all the emotional Pac supporters wrong did he? Love it. The issue is mostly a
Storm in a teacup; with substance that's easy to deliberately misconceive, distort, and use for personal purposes. How many fighters these days dismiss other fighters the way Floyd did of 3G. Floyd - after all he has achieved - has a right to. If people could understand Gennady's native toungue/language they may be surprised about what he says. 3G and his entire USA persona is quite manufactured. Perhaps that's (and jumping on every singe possibly negative thing about Floyd, is) what (some) people like Let's call a spade a spade, and don't masquerade in the shade. :) :)
Blast from da pre-MayPac past & GTFOHright now; "Da Manny is gunna KO dat POS Floyd. Going bacward was got Hatton ktfo. Immma ride wiv da manny & dat SaltWaterJesus ready made excuseinjury. Dat bytchAzz Floyd is prentendin an dats wat tim it is, cause da manny wuld neva use his name an anutha fight 2 get publlCity. Any1 disagree wivus an we roundUp AmayzzingDoubleWorldChamps whom dunt careBout da facts & get all does falsehoodRangers 2 bully em on any matta-even if we does no it's not da real real. Holla & Bingo.
Storm in a teacup,... now that's the perfect analogy. Even Floyd's worst public enemy : Skip Bayless, hasnt resorted to using the "racist" label. Excellent comment.


-King Beef :

What's wrong with Floyd suggesting that Golovkin fight Ward ? Floyd himself has fought and challenged larger fighters his whole career. GGG talked of fighting Ward and Hopkins when he finally got the spotlite, even showing up at Ward's press conference on one occasion while telling the press he was ready for Ward. Only to retract the challenge when Ward accepted. All the sudden Ward doesn't bring enough to the table his management conveniently says, ....but Geale, Rubio and Monroe junior somehow do. Lol.... Make no mistake, Golovkin is good, I predicted his success years ago.... So no one should get offended. Hagler fought his whole career and was never criticized for not moving up to fight Spinx. So I don't fault GGG for not taking the fight. But Floyd has a valid point, and has himself moved up from 130 to 154....be was publically challenging Mosely, Del LA Hoya and Tzyu when he was still a 130 pounder. So What's racist about his comments? .....its a Legitimate question.
"What's wrong with Floyd suggesting that Golovkin fight Ward ?"...Nothing at all!, (they did say 154 to 168 didn't they) but now Ward has moved up Nothing was wrong with the talk of Mayweather moving up to fight GGG (and yes I consider that a move up..Mayweather's optimal fighting weight is 147) 154 was a belt grab palin and simple he just happened to go ahead a beat the title holder in Canelo. and for the record if Mayweather will never fight GGG, he is not that stupid, I am quite sure he realizes his hands will never hold up long enough with the amount of pop he will have to put on his shots to keep GGG off of him, the same way GGG and his team know it. That whole GGG vs Mayweather thread is kinda null and void now anyway isn't it, Mayweather is not the 154 champ anymore and that's what it was all about ...right?? B-Sug, I don't know about you, but I think the word "racist" gets thrown around too much without people really understanding the definition of it. even him saying the powers that be wanna see a white champion doesn't make him racist, like you mentioned ..it makes him wrong. Green is the only color that matters these days!!!


-King Beef :

Wow! You are good! But I know what time it is. Cut the crap and bulljive! "Because the word racist seems to go a long way to describe many diverse situations that may not (-- at the root --) be racist at all." GTFOH! Money May is an admitted racist. And he will tell you that he is. "Because I don't care who you are, or what you say," He will shout. "But ev'ybodee is racist. No matter if they know it, or not. Yeah I'm racist. 'Cause no matter what, to the white man, Imma a rich [N-word]...(tsAH) is a smart, rich [N-word], and they call my pops a convicted [N-word]...." Don't let me have to holla at YouTube, because Lil Floyd speaks volumes of what he is by proxy and bytch male foxy. Oh, YES! Money May is a he diva. There is more sugar in his tank and tude than in "Little" Richard, Ruth Paul, Diana Ross and Aretha Franklin combined. And, don't pull some inner-color-out-of-group jive. When warehouse-working Africans say "American," they are taking about the white ones. So your African co-workers were slicking racism on the white lady worker, plane and simple. Do you always have to try to feed us a bunch crock up here in this Universe? You have been around the world, so your know when racism is breaking out. Don't hide! Have a little pride. Call a spade a spade. And don't masquerade in the shade. Racism exist in boksing. And The Money Team, TsAH and Money May and his groupies and peons lead the pack. And they are always on sneak attack. And then playing the race card! And talking smack. Holla!
Radam my man, like I mentioned in my above post, I think Money May is confused by the meaning of racist as well, prejudice is a better fit..everyone is prejudice to some degree. And I think you reaching on your response to the African worker scenario...how can you read that worker's mind to determine he was talking about white people and not all AMericans black or white or any other citizen. Truth be told some Africans have more disdain toward black people here than anyone else, they don't consider black people in the US "100% or true Africans" (which to some degree we are not). Now going by the definition, you could consider that racism.


-Radam G :

"What's wrong with Floyd suggesting that Golovkin fight Ward ?"...Nothing at all!, (they did say 154 to 168 didn't they) but now Ward has moved up Nothing was wrong with the talk of Mayweather moving up to fight GGG (and yes I consider that a move up..Mayweather's optimal fighting weight is 147) 154 was a belt grab palin and simple he just happened to go ahead a beat the title holder in Canelo. and for the record if Mayweather will never fight GGG, he is not that stupid, I am quite sure he realizes his hands will never hold up long enough with the amount of pop he will have to put on his shots to keep GGG off of him, the same way GGG and his team know it. That whole GGG vs Mayweather thread is kinda null and void now anyway isn't it, Mayweather is not the 154 champ anymore and that's what it was all about ...right?? B-Sug, I don't know about you, but I think the word "racist" gets thrown around too much without people really understanding the definition of it. even him saying the powers that be wanna see a white champion doesn't make him racist, like you mentioned ..it makes him wrong. Green is the only color that matters these days!!!
There is absolutely nothing wrong with 3g fighting SOG. And there should be nothing wrong with Money May fighting 3g. It is a long history of welterweight/light middleweight kings going up to fight the middleweight kings. For your point about racism, that is just the way Lil Floyd is. He uses that word, as a buzz word just as much as he uses the N-word. Anybody trying to defend Money May or condemn him, is all about wasting their time. He is just getting copy and staying in the news for his comeback fight. And he will be back. And even that, somebody will attack. Holla!


-Radam G :

Radam my man, like I mentioned in my above post, I think Money May is confused by the meaning of racist as well, prejudice is a better fit..everyone is prejudice to some degree. And I think you reaching on your response to the African worker scenario...how can you read that worker's mind to determine he was talking about white people and not all AMericans black or white or any other citizen. Truth be told some Africans have more disdain toward black people here than anyone else, they don't consider black people in the US "100% or true Africans" (which to some degree we are not). Now going by the definition, you could consider that racism.
I don't have to read that African's mind. I'm rsponding to his comment about an "American" generically as a mutli-American citizen who know first hand that "American" is a euphemism for "white" to black Africans and even Asians. African Americans are referred to as "blacks," "black Americans"and occasionally "African Americans." I'm not looking for a beef with you, King Beef. But Money May, or any events of diz and dat and da third, needs not to be handled with kid gloves or hypocrisy. Dude is a BIG BOY. And he will let you know that too. Holla!


-King Beef :

I don't have to read that African's mind. I'm rsponding to his comment about an "American" generically as a mutli-American citizen who know first hand that "American" is a euphemism for "white" to black Africans and even Asians. African Americans are referred to as "blacks," "black Americans"and occasionally "African Americans." I'm not looking for a beef with you, King Beef. But Money May, or any events of diz and dat and da third, needs not to be handled with kid gloves or hypocrisy. Dude is a BIG BOY. And he will let you know that too. Holla!
No beef here; race is; and always will be a slippery slope, but there is a crazy dynamic between African and black people/African Americans (depending on who you talk to) that you will never understand. As far as Money May, he has definitely said some racially insensitive things; along with others in the boxing world, but him pointing out a possible problem (in his eyes) or saying GGG should fight Ward,..I don't see where that is racist or racial at all. But to each his own. We all know Mayweather is a MASTER marketer, he keeps his name out there.


-Radam G :

No beef here; race is; and always will be a slippery slope, but there is a crazy dynamic between African and black people/African Americans (depending on who you talk to) that you will never understand. As far as Money May, he has definitely said some racially insensitive things; along with others in the boxing world, but him pointing out a possible problem (in his eyes) or saying GGG should fight Ward,..I don't see where that is racist or racial at all. But to each his own. We all know Mayweather is a MASTER marketer, he keeps his name out there.
Wow, King Beef, you are beefing on da slick. Hehe! I understand what you are saying quite well. The "crazy dynamic" that you are talking about is a human tribal thing that is ethnic and regional -- regardless of color and creed -- black, brown, red, yellow and white -- except in the old Mississippi and Louisiana, USA, and South Africa. In those places, they are skin-colored conscious. We have blacks in the Philippines who will not acknowledge American blacks, African blacks and/or Latin blacks. And we have whites in Asia, especially in China and Thailand, who will not acknowledge white Americans, white Europeans, white Australians and/or New Zealand. Again, it is all about ethnicity and region. Holla!


-King Beef :

Wow, King Beef, you are beefing on da slick. Hehe! I understand what you are saying quite well. The "crazy dynamic" that you are talking about is a human tribal thing that is ethnic and regional -- regardless of color and creed -- black, brown, red, yellow and white -- except in the old Mississippi and Louisiana, USA, and South Africa. In those places, they are skin-colored conscious. We have blacks in the Philippines who will not acknowledge American blacks, African blacks and/or Latin blacks. And we have whites in Asia, especially in China and Thailand, who will not acknowledge white Americans, white Europeans, white Australians and/or New Zealand. Again, it is all about ethnicity and region. Holla!
"Wow, King Beef, you are beefing on da slick.Not really".... not really, but I did not separate my statements clearly. The "race is and always will be slippery slope" was it's own statement to end that topic, because its a topic that can be discussed/argued for days. What I am referring to is the dynamic of some black people and some African people in the US (can't speak for all, only the ones I have been in conversations with, and people in these conversations have gotten quite heated on the subject), and from your statement about the Philippines, you might know a little sumthin sumthin. The dynamic I speak of is a lot African people that have came to the US have preconceptions of blacks as being lazy, criminals, and every other misconstrued visual seen on media. They feel like black people don't take full advantages of opportunities presented, and are spoiled. They do not want to be lumped in and perceived this way. This sets off a powder keg with black people that do not fall into these misconceptions and feel Africans to do not truly understand the oppression that has taken place in the US. This is the crazy dynamic that I am talking about.


-stormcentre :

Race is a slippery slope KB; you're right. Also what you say here . . . . . ""The dynamic I speak of is a lot African people that have came to the US have preconceptions of blacks as being lazy, criminals, and every other misconstrued visual seen on media. They feel like black people don't take full advantages of opportunities presented, and are spoiled. They do not want to be lumped in and perceived this way. This sets off a powder keg with black people that do not fall into these misconceptions and feel Africans to do not truly understand the oppression that has taken place in the US. This is the crazy dynamic that I am talking about"". Is in my opinion right too. There are many reasons that people have the wrong perception; including that related to what Hollywood and other places feeds us about (as you say) the misconceptions of blacks as being lazy, criminals, and every other misconstrued visual seen on media. But then, just as there are many reasons that; A) People have the wrong perception. B) Race is a slippery slope. There will always be some people that just like to make that race card/slope slipperier by the applications of perceptions that may not fit all. I think encapsulated the dynamic perfectly. I can't count the amount of Americans (of any color) that I know that "do" take advantage of all opportunities they're given, and are not spoiled. :) :)


-stormcentre :

Race is a slippery slope KB; you're right. Also what you say here . . . . . ""The dynamic I speak of is a lot African people that have came to the US have preconceptions of blacks as being lazy, criminals, and every other misconstrued visual seen on media. They feel like black people don't take full advantages of opportunities presented, and are spoiled. They do not want to be lumped in and perceived this way. This sets off a powder keg with black people that do not fall into these misconceptions and feel Africans to do not truly understand the oppression that has taken place in the US. This is the crazy dynamic that I am talking about"". Is in my opinion right too. There are many reasons that people have the wrong perception; including that related to what Hollywood and other places feeds us about (as you say) the misconceptions of blacks as being lazy, criminals, and every other misconstrued visual seen on media. But then, just as there are many reasons that; A) People have the wrong perception. B) Race is a slippery slope. There will always be some people that just like to make that race card/slope slipperier by the applications of perceptions that may not fit all. I think you encapsulated the dynamic perfectly. I can't count the amount of Americans (of any color) that I know that "do" take advantage of all opportunities they're given, and are not spoiled. :) :)


-King Beef :

Race is a slippery slope KB; you're right. Also what you say here . . . . . ""The dynamic I speak of is a lot African people that have came to the US have preconceptions of blacks as being lazy, criminals, and every other misconstrued visual seen on media. They feel like black people don't take full advantages of opportunities presented, and are spoiled. They do not want to be lumped in and perceived this way. This sets off a powder keg with black people that do not fall into these misconceptions and feel Africans to do not truly understand the oppression that has taken place in the US. This is the crazy dynamic that I am talking about"". Is in my opinion right too. There are many reasons that people have the wrong perception; including that related to what Hollywood and other places feeds us about (as you say) the misconceptions of blacks as being lazy, criminals, and every other misconstrued visual seen on media. But then, just as there are many reasons that; A) People have the wrong perception. B) Race is a slippery slope. There will always be some people that just like to make that race card/slope slipperier by the applications of perceptions that may not fit all. I think you encapsulated the dynamic perfectly. I can't count the amount of Americans (of any color) that I know that "do" take advantage of all opportunities they're given, and are not spoiled. :) :)
True, I personally think a lot of people get racism and prejudice confused, which is natural because they are intertwined. and that dynamic has some truths from both sides as well as false, but nothing a little 2 way communications wouldn't straighten out. But back to boxing, ...who are you going with this weekend??? I really can not call this 1; I am leaning Canelo, but if he isn't in top shape he might get drowned in the later rounds.


-stormcentre :

True, I personally think a lot of people get racism and prejudice confused, which is natural because they are intertwined. and that dynamic has some truths from both sides as well as false, but nothing a little 2 way communications wouldn't straighten out. But back to boxing, ...who are you going with this weekend??? I really can not call this 1; I am leaning Canelo, but if he isn't in top shape he might get drowned in the later rounds.
I agree; a lot of people do get racism and prejudice confused. A lot of people also like to "believe" and/or "say" that "others" are racist, as that then justifies "their" actions/responses. To the fight . . . . . . I think when you weigh up all the tangibles Canelo should get it. I do really love Cotto as a fighter and for all he has given us. Especially the balls it took for Cotto to go through with the Cotto V Margarito fight. But I think Cotto will probably have his hands full with Saul. However, if Cotto - doesn't allow himself to get dragged into too many ego-driven-shootouts too early (because Canelo can punch) and also if he stays clear of those fun-heavy-handed-single trades that he can fall in love with (because Canelo can counter) in a fight too - and if he, instead, moves around a bit, and boxes (like he did in the early rounds with Cotto V1 Margarito); maybe that might change things a bit. Dunno. It's hard not to see Cotto, at some point, struggling with the firepower, combinations and the tenacity of Canelo; whom will be absolutely hyped for this. Contrary to what a few boxing writers say; I don't see any real style change in Cotto since he's been with Roach. Sure he's in better shape at the Wild Card gym. But Roach's management, profile, experience in the boxing business, and his contacts, have really been what has served Cotto more since he's been training in LA with Freddy; in my opinion. And, Cotto's recent set of opponents, catch-weights, and other contractual conditions . . . . well, they're not really the best preparation for a guy like Canelo. In fact, not only are they not really the best preparation for a guy like Canelo, but I can't see how anyone can accurately assess where Cotto really is from those fights. Furthermore, I think Oscar will have well and truly placed enough pressure on Canelo (and pressed enough cash into his palms) to make sure he understands that he better be in top shape. Oscar also (should, and Hopkins certainly will) know that a great deal of Cotto's strategy will rely on getting to the later rounds. Both Oscar and Bernard have also had Freddy as a coach too; so they know what Freddy does and does not bring to the table in the gym and also on fight night; for a fight like this. You could say the Mayweather fight for both means Cotto has the edge; as he handled the Mayweather heat better than Alvarez. But then Cotto has hardly any of the stylistic attributes that Floyd has. Plus, Miguel had also seen (at least some of) those stylistic attributes in his fights before he faced Floyd. So Cotto (and, perhaps his better amateur pedigree) knew what to expect when things didn't always go his way. So, that was the difference there; with their different losing performances to Floyd. A lot of boxers (understandably) fall apart when things don't go their way; especially if they're in there with a guy that has all the smarts, speed, and a defence to boot - like Floyd does. This, I think, adds more to explaining the disparity between how Canelo handled the Floyd-Adversity; as opposed to Cotto. So, that obviously means that Cotto has an edge in handling the unknown in big marquee fights, and perhaps he does. But, I doubt that (this age/version of) Cotto and his style will befuddle Canelo, like Floyd did. Canelo is probably the faster/harder puncher, and his (limited) defence is probably as good, if not better, than Cotto's (limited) defence. Then you have Canelo's combinations; which - at the moment - seem to come more freely, with more force, and possibly also against better opposition too. Cotto's whole (punching) game-plan - I think - will revolve around his left hook and jab; which - especially the latter - is not an entirely bad strategy. I say that as Canelo can be made to reset with the jab; as he can overcommit with his and other punches - as he likes to put some pace on his shots. Problem is, Canelo's jab (whilst he is fresh) is probably faster/harder than Cotto's; same for his hook. Cotto may possibly also lose out too if they were to simultaneously trade perfect right crosses. Therefore Cotto's game-plan mostly relies on his left hook, jab, and better championship experience (as has been the case for most of his fights whilst Freddy has been in his corner); so Miguel needs to weather the
Storm and get Canelo into the later rounds and hope he slows down. And, I can't see Cotto getting into those late rounds without eating a lot of spiteful leather and punches from a strong guy naturally residing within a weight division that both Roach and Cotto usually like to contractually marginalise a little more than has been the case here with Canelo and this fight. Which is not to say Cotto can't win. More, he probably won't. :) :) :)


-King Beef :

This will definitely be the fight for that will dictate if Cotto is truly "rejuvenated". I also believe he gives too much credit to Roach, (but if that what he believes, I can't argue) I think he wins those last 3 fights with or without Roach. This 1 though, Freddy may or may not be a deciding factor. Just my opinion but I have always thought if you need your offence tweaked up, then Freddy is one of the best to get it out of you, but anything else... I am just not convinced. If things do not go Cotto's way, I think his own experience will have to get him out of it.