Golovkin Promoter Responds To Canelo’s “Let Him Come Down to 155” Statement

Canelo Alvarez tossed out some slightly eyebrow-raising statements in a recent chat with Fight Hype. Did you hear what the Mexican, touted as being a throwback type, willing to take on all comers, said?

He told our friends at Fight Hype, “If Golovkin wants to fight with me, let him come down to 155 and I’ll fight him whatever day he wants.”

Ohhhhh…Yikes.

That does not indeed seem throw-backy. It’s seems…avoidant.

But…Maybe I’m making something out of nothing….

“At this moment, my body isn’t ready for 160 pounds,” continued the 25-year-old who did indeed prove he wanted to test himself against the best when he tried to topple King Mayweather…and that didn’t go at all to form.

“Maybe 1 or 2 more years I’ll be ready for 160, I don’t know, but I’d be delighted to fight someone like Gennady. He’s a great fighter and I think it would be a great fight. I’d be delighted to get him in a fight…I don’t run from anybody. What I will do is never give weight advantages. I learned my lesson. That was the first thing I learned from my loss to Floyd, to not give any weight advantages, neither more or less, so if he wants to fight with me, let him come down to 155 and I’ll fight him whatever day he wants.”

So…Some stuff to parse there…

First, he’s not saying he won’t ever fight Golovkin. Now, no.

So, points for honesty.

It seems like he’s maybe saying if he beats Cotto, and then is up against the WBC mandate to proceed to defend the WBC 160 crown versus Golovkin, he’s not going to be pushed into that. Why? Because, physically he doesn’t feel like a 160 pounder now. Fair enough…

But…sorry to be a “back in the old days” guy…but back in the old days, we didn’t have 791 weight classes, and you didn’t see this dithering over six pounds, or even one pound.

I can lick you, even if you have ten pounds on me, that was more so, more often, the mindset.

I get it, we have progressed, in the canny ways people use available leverage…but I think everyone would be pleased and maybe some relieved if Canelo just said, Know what, I’m fighting for the middleweight title, thus, we will adhere to the time-honored standard for middleweight max poundage, let’s see the best man win. Oh, that goes for Mr. Cotto as well…

Anyways, I broached this subject with Golovkins’ promoter, Tom Loeffler, wondering what he thought of Canelo’s “let him come down to 155” statement.

It isn’t showing fear of Golovkin, is it? “We have a lot of respect for Canelo,” Loeffler said. “I think we have to wait for November 21, see how it plays out.”

He said he thinks fans can accept a catch-weight if guys from obviously two different classes are meeting in the middle. But when fighting for the “middleweight” title, yes, call us all crazy, but let’s have the weight limit be a regulation 160 pounds. (This is where having a league office, getting all on the same page, cutting down on leverage plays by A siders, would be especially helpful.)

But, Loeffler pointed out, Canelo stepped into this situation, where WBC 160 champ Cotto is olbligated to fight Gennady next, so…”And hey, if Canelo doesn’t win, there’s no reason to discuss the weight issue. Also, if it’s a tremendous fight, which I can see it being, they might do a rematch,” said Loeffler, figuring that wouldn’t be for the WBC title. “Gennady is not into calling out individual fighters, he’s got too much respect for both those guys. He just wants to unify the division.”

Golden Boy Exec Eric Gomez touched base with TSS. What does he make of that “155 or bust” Canelo stance? “He is not a middleweight,” Gomez said. “He is a 154 pounder. He can make that weight comfortably.” And, let’s play what if…if the Mexican beats Cotto, and has that middleweight belt? “Let’s see how this plays out,” he said.

Basically, same as Loeffler, let’s not get ahead of ourselves…

Like to hear from you, readers, your thoughts on Canelo’s take on his near future plans, in and around 155 pounds…

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COMMENTS

-Chris L :

So wait a minute... GGG calls out everyone between 154-175 pounds. Ward (amongst others) accepts the bait and say they will fight. Golovkin backpedals and then says he isn't ready for 168 and will unify Middleweight before moving up (but he will fight Ward at 164). And now Canelo, who hasn't ever fought above 155, who has stated he is going back down to 154 after this fight, is getting criticized? It depends how it plays out, if Canelo wins the strap & holds it hostage like Cotto then he'd be fair game for criticism, but if he wins then vacates it's no big deal.


-amayseng :

So wait a minute... GGG calls out everyone between 154-175 pounds. Ward (amongst others) accepts the bait and say they will fight. Golovkin backpedals and then says he isn't ready for 168 and will unify Middleweight before moving up (but he will fight Ward at 164). And now Canelo, who hasn't ever fought above 155, who has stated he is going back down to 154 after this fight, is getting criticized? It depends how it plays out, if Canelo wins the strap & holds it hostage like Cotto then he'd be fair game for criticism, but if he wins then vacates it's no big deal.
Good Lord. Yea let's say Canelo wins then offers to fight GGG to UNIFY the 160 lb MW championship at 155!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And you are ok with this disgrace??? Just another GGG hater. The hate and racism against GGG is outright disgusting and disturbing. This business is not that difficult to understand. Ward has been shelved and fought once in nearly 3 years. I am a HUGE Ward fan, he is the only guy I see beating GGG and I see the fight as a toss up if Ward is active and sharp which he is not as of today. However, Ward and company sent over a FAKE contract for GGG knowing following this ppv he is HOLDING out for the canelo vs cotto winner to not only Unify the titles but because it is the biggest money fight out there today. Ward has no pull , he does not sell tickets and has yet to even headline a ppv. He makes NO money at all. I dig him but he was foolish to sign the management he had. Will GGG fight at 154 for a ridiculous payday against Floyd well hell yes. Would he drain himself to fight Canelo when the RULES state the mandatory fight of a championship is at that weight and not a catchweight. Why would he ? I can do no more with the ridiculous hate and racism in this country. Gotta learn the sport a little bit to save face.


-amayseng :

Canelo just weighed in at 168 for a 30 day weigh in for a 155lb weight limit. GGG weighed in at 165 for a 30 day weigh in for a 160lb weight limit. Canelo has weighed in higher than GGG on fight night, in the 170's Yet there are foolish remarks saying Canelo is not big enough for GGG and worse they want a UNIFIED mw championship to take place at 155 . How in the world do you respect the sport if you support such disrespect to it? The excuses to hide hate and racism against this white fighter from Kazakhstan is sad


-Chris L :

Good Lord. Yea let's say Canelo wins then offers to fight GGG to UNIFY the 160 lb MW championship at 155!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And you are ok with this disgrace??? Just another GGG hater. The hate and racism against GGG is outright disgusting and disturbing. This business is not that difficult to understand. Ward has been shelved and fought once in nearly 3 years. I am a HUGE Ward fan, he is the only guy I see beating GGG and I see the fight as a toss up if Ward is active and sharp which he is not as of today. However, Ward and company sent over a FAKE contract for GGG knowing following this ppv he is HOLDING out for the canelo vs cotto winner to not only Unify the titles but because it is the biggest money fight out there today. Ward has no pull , he does not sell tickets and has yet to even headline a ppv. He makes NO money at all. I dig him but he was foolish to sign the management he had. Will GGG fight at 154 for a ridiculous payday against Floyd well hell yes. Would he drain himself to fight Canelo when the RULES state the mandatory fight of a championship is at that weight and not a catchweight. Why would he ? I can do no more with the ridiculous hate and racism in this country. Gotta learn the sport a little bit to save face.
No, I like GGG, but I don't let my emotions cloud my view. So people who don't agree with your opinion are racist now?


-SouthPawFlo :

I'm with Canelo on this one, Golovkin is more comfortable at 160 and he's been at that weight for a while and Canelo would be the A side of the negotiation and bring a bigger payday so if the GGG fight happens it has to be on terms favorable to Canelo.... GGG has said he can fight at 168 and Canelo has never weighed more than 155 for a fight... Maybe at the end of next year I can see him at 160


-Yogo :

So fighters are allowed to decide what weights belts are fought for based on their drawing power? World MW Title at 155?? Triple G should just agree, come in at 160, whip the kid, pay the fine.


-amayseng :

No, I like GGG, but I don't let my emotions cloud my view. So people who don't agree with your opinion are racist now?
Absolutely not my friend. I did not specify anyone, many many sites display racism about this exciting fighter. It is sad. I am white and one of my favorite fighters ever is Bhop, even after his white boy comment. Clearly your emotions have clouded your judgement as you are in fact asking for a mandatory rule change of a mandatory fight having to be at the 160 limit changed to 155. And also as if you did not understand WHEN GGG called out those fights where he stood as an attraction and what he was making. Now he is higher on the totem pole and can make demands.


-amayseng :

I'm with Canelo on this one, Golovkin is more comfortable at 160 and he's been at that weight for a while and Canelo would be the A side of the negotiation and bring a bigger payday so if the GGG fight happens it has to be on terms favorable to Canelo.... GGG has said he can fight at 168 and Canelo has never weighed more than 155 for a fight... Maybe at the end of next year I can see him at 160
hahaha Of course you are.. Asking for the mandated rules to not only be changed but to UNIFY titles for a mw belt at 155. sad disgrace to comply with that. Canelo weighs in the 170s on fight night......for God's sakes


-amayseng :

So fighters are allowed to decide what weights belts are fought for based on their drawing power? World MW Title at 155?? Triple G should just agree, come in at 160, whip the kid, pay the fine.
Only those who have such hate for a fighter would disregard the rules and respect of this wonderful sport. It is apparent their hate is clear.


-brownsugar :

GGG will not capitulate to Canelo's demands to drop to 155, only Floyd holds that honor because the payoff and the resulting glory would be astronomical. Canelo has considerable swagger, but he was out swagged by the great Miguel Cotto who would only fight Canelo at a catch weight. Canelo would have rather fought Cotto at the full middleweight limit. But Cotto wasn't having that. Now Canelo wants to use his considerable clout to force Golovkin into a catchweight situation to reduce his chances to win. After all, Floyd did it to him. Nothing personal, just business. To me, Canelo isnt worth paying to watch, skillwise Canelo is no Floyd, Tyson, Sugar Ray, or Chocolatito in the talent department. But He has the support of the greatest boxing fans in the world, the Mexicans,....plus he's already sparred with GGG. Canelo knows how good Golovkin is and wants to put him at a disadvantage. Its just sound business practice in the increasingly janky world of boxing economics. Canelo is not even promised to get by Cotto. So this topic may be moot anyway. Canelo looked like gold against shot fighters like Angulo and Kirkland. This wont be the case with Cotto who has the kind of lateral movement to keep Canelo's good combination punching technique to a minimum while he gives chase at a Frankensteinian pace. Soon the hulking Canelo won't even be able to make 154, but Golovkin is already 33 years old. Team Canelo knows time is on their side. If Cotto wins and is somehow coerced into accepting a fight with GGG, instead of dropping back down to 154, his best options would be to see a priest to receive his final rites before the fight. Because neither Cotto or Canelo have anything to derail Golovkin from obtaining a crushing victory over either of them.


-SouthPawFlo :

Listen Guys, this is the BOXING BUSINESS, and this business when people sit down and negotiate the terms of a fight the bigger draw (Canelo) usually dictates the terms and the guy the most to gain (GGG) and his team decide if the terms are fair.. That's how the game goes and it's been that way for a long time, when Ray Leonard fought Hagler Hagler complied to all the demands to get the fight... A weight issue isn't the only thing that'll have to be negotiated if this fight ever happens... Why are people acting so "shocked" that Canelo is saying he'll pick terms for favorable to him, he probably got the idea from his boss DLH who tried to stack the deck for the fight he had with Mayweather, it's all a part of the business....


-Radam G :

Listen Guys, this is the BOXING BUSINESS, and this business when people sit down and negotiate the terms of a fight the bigger draw (Canelo) usually dictates the terms and the guy the most to gain (GGG) and his team decide if the terms are fair.. That's how the game goes and it's been that way for a long time, when Ray Leonard fought Hagler Hagler complied to all the demands to get the fight... A weight issue isn't the only thing that'll have to be negotiated if this fight ever happens... Why are people acting so "shocked" that Canelo is saying he'll pick terms for favorable to him, he probably got the idea from his boss DLH who tried to stack the deck for the fight he had with Mayweather, it's all a part of the business....
You hit the nail on the head. Da game will always be that way. You have to give up a lot to get a spot. Holla!


-amayseng :

Listen Guys, this is the BOXING BUSINESS, and this business when people sit down and negotiate the terms of a fight the bigger draw (Canelo) usually dictates the terms and the guy the most to gain (GGG) and his team decide if the terms are fair.. That's how the game goes and it's been that way for a long time, when Ray Leonard fought Hagler Hagler complied to all the demands to get the fight... A weight issue isn't the only thing that'll have to be negotiated if this fight ever happens... Why are people acting so "shocked" that Canelo is saying he'll pick terms for favorable to him, he probably got the idea from his boss DLH who tried to stack the deck for the fight he had with Mayweather, it's all a part of the business....
I am shocked at fans like you support it to UNIFY a division. Absolutely sad.


-amayseng :

GGG will not capitulate to Canelo's demands to drop to 155, only Floyd holds that honor because the payoff and the resulting glory would be astronomical. Canelo has considerable swagger, but he was out swagged by the great Miguel Cotto who would only fight Canelo at a catch weight. Canelo would have rather fought Cotto at the full middleweight limit. But Cotto wasn't having that. Now Canelo wants to use his considerable clout to force Golovkin into a catchweight situation to reduce his chances to win. After all, Floyd did it to him. Nothing personal, just business. To me, Canelo isnt worth paying to watch, skillwise Canelo is no Floyd, Tyson, Sugar Ray, or Chocolatito in the talent department. But He has the support of the greatest boxing fans in the world, the Mexicans,....plus he's already sparred with GGG. Canelo knows how good Golovkin is and wants to put him at a disadvantage. Its just sound business practice in the increasingly janky world of boxing economics. Canelo is not even promised to get by Cotto. So this topic may be moot anyway. Canelo looked like gold against shot fighters like Angulo and Kirkland. This wont be the case with Cotto who has the kind of lateral movement to keep Canelo's good combination punching technique to a minimum while he gives chase at a Frankensteinian pace. Soon the hulking Canelo won't even be able to make 154, but Golovkin is already 33 years old. Team Canelo knows time is on their side. If Cotto wins and is somehow coerced into accepting a fight with GGG, instead of dropping back down to 154, his best options would be to see a priest to receive his final rites before the fight. Because neither Cotto or Canelo have anything to derail Golovkin from obtaining a crushing victory over either of them.
Well said


-Pazuzu :

Well said
Agreed. Anyone who wants to campaign for the lineal middleweight title should be prepared to fight at 160. Punto final.


-SouthPawFlo :

I agree with amayseng on the point that Canelo needs to be focused on getting past Cotto first, I'm sure Freddie Roach is putting together a solid plan to exploit the fact that Canelo only fights in 30 second spurts and he has trouble with movement... But Canelo and GGG at 155 would be something I would wanna see but I don't think GGG's people would agree to come in that low... Looking at both their resumes Canelo even tho he's younger has more experience in big fights and has faced 10x better opposition, but GGG has dynamite in his gloves....


-Radam G :

I agree with amayseng on the point that Canelo needs to be focused on getting past Cotto first, I'm sure Freddie Roach is putting together a solid plan to exploit the fact that Canelo only fights in 30 second spurts and he has trouble with movement... But Canelo and GGG at 155 would be something I would wanna see but I don't think GGG's people would agree to come in that low... Looking at both their resumes Canelo even tho he's younger has more experience in big fights and has faced 10x better opposition, but GGG has dynamite in his gloves....
I'm riding with ready Freddie and M-Co. Canelo will be powerless against the moving grooving, poppin'-dat-arse destroyer. Holla!


-Domenic :

Golovkin is the undisputed middleweight champion (forget the lineal). He shouldn't capitulate at all. There's not a human being on Earth that beats him at 160. 160 is a prestigious weight to conquer. He should roll on and honestly, I don't blame Canelo for avoiding him either. Pavlik ---no Golovkin--- was much more fragile psychologically and jumped 10 pounds for a payday, and schooling, by Hopkins. Just be the middleweight champ and keep doing what you're doing, that's what I'd advise.


-amayseng :

I agree with amayseng on the point that Canelo needs to be focused on getting past Cotto first, I'm sure Freddie Roach is putting together a solid plan to exploit the fact that Canelo only fights in 30 second spurts and he has trouble with movement... But Canelo and GGG at 155 would be something I would wanna see but I don't think GGG's people would agree to come in that low... Looking at both their resumes Canelo even tho he's younger has more experience in big fights and has faced 10x better opposition, but GGG has dynamite in his gloves....
Without a belt at stake I have no issue with doing what you have to do to agree to a fight. However, this would be to UNIFY ALL belts of the 160lb MW division, NO catchweights and it would be against mandated rules. Secondly, Canelo is a BIG 155 fighter fighting in the 170's on fight night, it would benefit him not to have to cut that extra weight and just go in at 160. The fact is that Canelo, who I have high regard for, or did, is SPOOKED by the boogeyman and he has just shown his hand. He should have responded with he will cross that bridge of GGG when he gets there. And I am with you guys, I see beating Cotto a trying feat, especially when Canelo's weakness is slow footwork and stamina issues late in fights...


-Radam G :

Without a belt at stake I have no issue with doing what you have to do to agree to a fight. However, this would be to UNIFY ALL belts of the 160lb MW division, NO catchweights and it would be against mandated rules. Secondly, Canelo is a BIG 155 fighter fighting in the 170's on fight night, it would benefit him not to have to cut that extra weight and just go in at 160. The fact is that Canelo, who I have high regard for, or did, is SPOOKED by the boogeyman and he has just shown his hand. He should have responded with he will cross that bridge of GGG when he gets there. And I am with you guys, I see beating Cotto a trying feat, especially when Canelo's weakness is slow footwork and stamina issues late in fights...
Actually Canelo is a fat 155 pounder, not a big one. Dude has loosy-moosy fat on his body and shouldn't even be a light middleweight. If he had trainers in charge, instead of him being in charge, he would easily be a welter. Whenever you get a chance to see him in person, you will see what I'm talking about for yourself. Canelo is not hard rock. He is soft €ock. And as mushy as a bytch with too much baby-man fat under the arms, on the thighs and hamstrings, around the belly and even on the collar bones. Maybe he has a stamina issue because of too much lard and margarine [that fake@$$ butter] and enough healthy oil and real butter. Holla!


-amayseng :

Actually Canelo is a fat 155 pounder, not a big one. Dude has loosy-moosy fat on his body and shouldn't even be a light middleweight. If he had trainers in charge, instead of him being in charge, he would easily be a welter. Whenever you get a chance to see him in person, you will see what I'm talking about for yourself. Canelo is not hard rock. He is soft €ock. And as mushy as a bytch with too much baby-man fat under the arms, on the thighs and hamstrings, around the belly and even on the collar bones. Maybe he has a stamina issue because of too much lard and margarine [that fake@$$ butter] and enough healthy oil and real butter. Holla!
Well that is what he should and could be but the Canelo we have, the one he gives us looks gaunt and bad weighing in at 155 and rehydrates above 170.


-Radam G :

Well that is what he should and could be but the Canelo we have, the one he gives us looks gaunt and bad weighing in at 155 and rehydrates above 170.
I agree with the gaunt look. Don't forget fat is quicker to lose than muscle and it will give you that starvation gaunt look. And it is quicker to rehydrate with liquids in place of it within hours. And it will make you turtle slow and with stamina issues after a few rounds. Gaining all that weight with water and liquids in a few hours is going to cause Canelo a short career and an early death. Gaining no more than seven to 10 with water is okay. Gaining over that, and up to 25 pounds is a stroke and heart attack on the way! In additional to body swelling, especially the brain. Maybe TSS scribes will do some copy about that. Holla!


-amayseng :

I agree with the gaunt look. Don't forget fat is quicker to lose than muscle and it will give you that starvation gaunt look. And it is quicker to rehydrate with liquids in place of it within hours. And it will make you turtle slow and with stamina issues after a few rounds. Gaining all that weight with water and liquids in a few hours is going to cause Canelo a short career and an early death. Gaining no more than seven to 10 with water is okay. Gaining over that, and up to 25 pounds is a stroke and heart attack on the way! In additional to body swelling, especially the brain. Maybe TSS scribes will do some copy about that. Holla!
Good points.


-BMontgomery :

Ridiculous. It's not about A side or B side. It's not about whether Alvarez is "ready" for 160. He should have been fighting at 160 a long time ago. He's looking for the physical advantage. Canelo can comfortably make 155 then rehydrate to well over 170 lbs. maintaining his strength and physical prowess. Golovkin normally weighs in at 159 or so then weighs between 170-173 on fight night. But if GGG had to go to 155 he would neither be as big or as strong as he usually is. That's why Canelo wants the 155 lb. catchweight--the physical advantage. This is also the reason why Cotto has quit weighing in on fight night - - or refusing to reveal his weight afterwards - - because he wants people to believe he's a really small middleweight who needs a catchweight to level the playing field against supposedly much bigger fighters. Cotto has weighed as much as 165 when he fought Martinez. Maybe more since. He and Roach want the catchweight to drag his opponents down physically--that's what catchweights are really all about - - is not about making it a " fair fight, is about weakening his opponent. Mayweather wanted Canelo at 152. Why? Same reason. And it's the same reason Canelo's fight with Cotto will be his 5th consecutive catchweight fight: Mayweather (although the low catchweight of 152 worked against him in this fight), Angulo, Lara, Kirkland, Cotto. If he gets GGG at catchweight that will be 6 catchweight fights in a row. Tell me something isn't wrong with that picture. Canelo is full of crap. He should be fighting as a full - fledged middleweight and he knows it.


-Radam G :

Ridiculous. It's not about A side or B side. It's not about whether Alvarez is "ready" for 160. He should have been fighting at 160 a long time ago. He's looking for the physical advantage. Canelo can comfortably make 155 then rehydrate to well over 170 lbs. maintaining his strength and physical prowess. Golovkin normally weighs in at 159 or so then weighs between 170-173 on fight night. But if GGG had to go to 155 he would neither be as big or as strong as he usually is. That's why Canelo wants the 155 lb. catchweight--the physical advantage. This is also the reason why Cotto has quit weighing in on fight night - - or refusing to reveal his weight afterwards - - because he wants people to believe he's a really small middleweight who needs a catchweight to level the playing field against supposedly much bigger fighters. Cotto has weighed as much as 165 when he fought Martinez. Maybe more since. He and Roach want the catchweight to drag his opponents down physically--that's what catchweights are really all about - - is not about making it a " fair fight, is about weakening his opponent. Mayweather wanted Canelo at 152. Why? Same reason. And it's the same reason Canelo's fight with Cotto will be his 5th consecutive catchweight fight: Mayweather (although the low catchweight of 152 worked against him in this fight), Angulo, Lara, Kirkland, Cotto. If he gets GGG at catchweight that will be 6 catchweight fights in a row. Tell me something isn't wrong with that picture. Canelo is full of crap. He should be fighting as a full - fledged middleweight and he knows it.
No doubt! But it is very smart crap, though. A trick of the trade. It is all about making your opponent assist you in whuppin' his @$$ anyway that you can. Holla!


-King Beef :

Its a mute point, GGG is the mandatory, if he doesn't agree then no catch weight. (which is the way it should be!!! I personally feel no title fight should involve catch weights) I was a little more confident that Canelo would fight GGG straight up than Cotto, but "everybody" is looking to keep an advantage GGG included.


-Radam G :

Its a mute point, GGG is the mandatory, if he doesn't agree then no catch weight. (which is the way it should be!!! I personally feel no title fight should involve catch weights) I was a little more confident that Canelo would fight GGG straight up than Cotto, but "everybody" is looking to keep an advantage GGG included.
To he who knows how to work those advantages goes the spoils. Boksing and all of mano-i-mano combats have been that way since time immemorial. Ain't Jack new under the sun about that. Holla!