Lawyer Looks At The Arum V. Haymon Judge Ruling

Some folks care only for the business inside the ring, but the fights outside the ring are also brutal, in a different way, and can mightily impact what you do or don’t see on your screen. So, they are “newsworthy” and deserve to be discussed.

Case in point: Bob Arum, the pound for pound king of the promotional business, a major player and then some in this space since 1966, has no love for the methods employed by reclusive deal-maker Al Haymon .

That’s an understatement; Arum believes Haymon plays fast and loose and dirty. And he wanted to prove that point in court…Arum’s stance, in which he accused Haymon of “rigging” the industry, went before a California judge last week, and the judge dismissed an antitrust allegation, while also stating that Haymon’s Kansas-based Wall St. financial backers (Waddell & Reed) cannot be targeted in this suit.

The Arum combo says that Haymon is illegally trying to create a monopoly situation, which is supposed to be verboten in our nation, where a “free market” is supposed to reign. In recent history, as more mega corporations amass more goodies, this nation hasn’t cracked down on monopolistic practices, though, arguably, that trend might be reversing, as our citizenry is now better comprehending the anti-for-the-masses practices our elected officials have been propagating the last four decades.

In this filed suit, it is alleged that Haymon uses tactics that are beyond unbecoming; but unless a fighter comes forward and testifies that he was explicitly prevented from signing with someone other than Haymon, for example, I don’t see how a judge latches on to some of the Arum-team allegations. I did think to myself, as this case was publicized, that it would seemingly be hard to prove that Haymon is in an illegal manner restricting or denying Top Rank’s ability to compete and thrive, being that TR had the B side, Manny Pacquiao, in that May 2 “Super Fight” which exceeded expectations in grossing obscene piles of loot for a select few. But I’m a boxing writer…so I asked a NYC-based attorney friend to mull this judgement on a suit which came together in June and offer some thoughts on what it means.

“Bottom line, very thorough and well-reasoned decision, but more importantly, based soundly on the law,” my attorney friend told me. “Top Rank needs to tighten up its factual allegations beyond mere conclusions. The procedural rule the defendants relied on permits dismissal if there is no legal theory or the complaint lacks sufficient facts to support the legally cognizable theories alleged. Both of those basis’ were found lacking here. That said, the courts allow liberal pleadings and are permitting TR to serve an Amended Complaint with more factual meat on its bones.”

He continued: “The Court is looking for facts that TR has been injured by Haymon’s conduct. The decision specifically states, that TR “has not identified a single bout that it has attempted to promote but was precluded from promoting by the Haymon Defendants, a single venue from which it has been blocked, or a single network that has refused to broadcast a fight promoted by Top Rank.”

Right; and that seems like iffy territory there, anyway. I mean, Showtime can “refuse to broadcast” an Arum-promoted bout…but they have free will in choosing who to do business with. So, there has to be an element of unfairness, lack of fair play, in that refusal…and that has to be found and presented to the court.

“Lawyer X” continued: “Also, the court indicated the lawsuit lacked facts sufficient to show an Anti-Trust violation existed. Specifically, the decision states, “Top Rank only alleges that the Haymon Defendants, on one occasion, withheld their consent and refused to allow Roc Nation to promote a bout involving one of the Haymon Defendants’ boxers. With respect to venue blocking, Top Rank only alleges that the Haymon Defendants blocked Golden Boy and Banner Promotions from booking a venue for a single fight.”

Looks to me like the judge said, OK, they were blocked from booking a card at venues. But Haymon is allowed to out-bid another party for a site to put on a fight. Right? (Now, if bids were put in to block, and then no cards were placed in those venues, then I don’t condone that practice. Let’s fight each other with honorable methods, that’s my plea.)

“X” continued: “The Court found that there were insufficient facts to sue the Haymon financial backers. The court advised that it needs to see what actionable conduct each the specific defendant engaged in as opposed to lumping all 9 (I believe its 9) defendants together as each collectively and individually committing the same violative acts as the others. Lastly, the Court held that there was no legal claim for aiding and abetting or conspiring by companies, individuals who were nothing more than investors.”

So, what does X think is next step for Top Rank? “If TR doesn’t come back with detailed facts and specifics… which are hard to come by whenever Haymon is involved, those portions already stricken may be DOA the second time around. It is never good to have your lawsuit gutted before the defendant even puts in an answer to it!”

There ya go…a look at one of the outside the ring battles featuring two giants of industry, protecting territory, and seeking to expand reach. This one will be a 15 rounder…

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COMMENTS

-detamour :

hAS ANYBODY NOTICED THOSE GUTLESS ARUM *** LICKER , HAVE MADE NO MENTION OFF THIS ON THERE PAGES.?


-Radam G :

hAS ANYBODY NOTICED THOSE GUTLESS ARUM *** LICKER , HAVE MADE NO MENTION OFF THIS ON THERE PAGES.?
Preliminaries, my man, under any of your pseudonyms! Preliminaries! TsAH has an awesome arse thrashing coming. Da BobFather coming out of the gate slow doesn't mean the end of the show. This the wise, boksing minds know. TsAH is no slippery Don King. On tsAH, LOUDLY, justice is about to SING. And tsAH will not be happy as a lark. His arse will be hiding everywhere. On a bus, on a plane, or in a park. When the rolling, strolling sweetness of justice mow him down, he will go dark. Like a bytch in heat, he will not bark. Hehe! Stay tune for round two. TsAH will get beat black and blue. Holla!


-Radam G :

Stromcentre, you can beam in with your long-winded rambling, and quit bytch faking about starting a TSS-like Universe for Fox. I just know your self-proclaimed attorney arse is just itching to scratch away. Go ahead and have your say. Give us your best comedy. Hehe! Holla!


-stormcentre :

Stromcentre, you can beam in with your long-winded rambling, and quit bytch faking about starting a TSS-like Universe for Fox. I just know your self-proclaimed attorney arse is just itching to scratch away. Go ahead and have your say. Give us your best comedy. Hehe! Holla!
OK, thanks for that world champion boxer (
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?22957-Why-It-Matters-If-That-Mayweather-Rumor-Is-Truth&p=89217&viewfull=1#post89217 ), here goes . . . Perhaps all I need to do is look at what you said about this matter when it first started . . [QUOTE=Radam G;85091]
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21754-Arum-Top-Rank-Aim-Overhand-Right-At-Haymon-Lawsuit-Seeks-100-Plus-Damages&p=85091&viewfull=1#post85091 The Ali Act was created to stop unfair practices to all boxers. Not to enrich boxers that sign with tsAH. And stay with him. Dude is a straight-up crook. He has dumped a lot of pugs on the side of the road. And they have not been able to get fights or moolah because he has blocked boxing shows by promoters. Dude is a snake. And he is going down. His tricking-and-d?cking moves are numbered. Holla![/QUOTE] And, surprise, surprise, just as with your recent "I am a world champion too" claim, you got it all wrong. Have a nice day. :) :)


-stormcentre :

Preliminaries, my man, under any of your pseudonyms! Preliminaries! TsAH has an awesome arse thrashing coming. Da BobFather coming out of the gate slow doesn't mean the end of the show.
This the wise, boksing minds know. TsAH is no slippery Don King. On tsAH, LOUDLY, justice is about to SING. And tsAH will not be happy as a lark. His arse will be hiding everywhere. On a bus, on a plane, or in a park. When the rolling, strolling sweetness of justice mow him down, he will go dark. Like a bytch in heat, he will not bark. Hehe! Stay tune for round two. TsAH will get beat black and blue. Holla!
:)


-stormcentre :

Now, back when I first analysed this matter I released the below posts. What I didn't say back then to anyone (but Dino whom owns this site) was that after my below analyses one of the parties leading private counsel personally emailed me with praise on (their words) how insightful, accurate, and well written it was. Anyway here is what I wrote.
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21754-Arum-Top-Rank-Aim-Overhand-Right-At-Haymon-Lawsuit-Seeks-100-Plus-Damages&p=84907&viewfull=1#post84907 ""Boy, Bob's writ sure reads like their is a personal vendetta woven into its fabric, replete with circumstances described in their most legally obstructed way in order to make a case. They will need to ensure they get a judge that appreciates matters the way Bob seems to enjoy telling them. I am unaware whether it is against the law and/or in violation with the Ali act for an adviser/manager to pay one of their contracted fighters; whether or not it may not always be the done and/or promoter's thing. Fighters fighting on promotions held under the licence of promoters that don't always have a direct relationship with the fighters is certainly not new in boxing either; which is another assumed case in point Arum seems to make"."
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21754-Arum-Top-Rank-Aim-Overhand-Right-At-Haymon-Lawsuit-Seeks-100-Plus-Damages&p=84921&viewfull=1#post84921
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21754-Arum-Top-Rank-Aim-Overhand-Right-At-Haymon-Lawsuit-Seeks-100-Plus-Damages&p=84949&viewfull=1#post84949
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21754-Arum-Top-Rank-Aim-Overhand-Right-At-Haymon-Lawsuit-Seeks-100-Plus-Damages&p=85022&viewfull=1#post85022
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21754-Arum-Top-Rank-Aim-Overhand-Right-At-Haymon-Lawsuit-Seeks-100-Plus-Damages&p=85075&viewfull=1#post85075
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21754-Arum-Top-Rank-Aim-Overhand-Right-At-Haymon-Lawsuit-Seeks-100-Plus-Damages&p=85088&viewfull=1#post85088
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21754-Arum-Top-Rank-Aim-Overhand-Right-At-Haymon-Lawsuit-Seeks-100-Plus-Damages&p=85119&viewfull=1#post85119
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21754-Arum-Top-Rank-Aim-Overhand-Right-At-Haymon-Lawsuit-Seeks-100-Plus-Damages&p=85120&viewfull=1#post85120
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21754-Arum-Top-Rank-Aim-Overhand-Right-At-Haymon-Lawsuit-Seeks-100-Plus-Damages&p=85148&viewfull=1#post85148
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21754-Arum-Top-Rank-Aim-Overhand-Right-At-Haymon-Lawsuit-Seeks-100-Plus-Damages&p=84911&viewfull=1#post84911 Top Rank better be careful. They are used to throwing their weight around and watching others wilt; whether it be from pressure of the legal/other processes themselves present, or the actual fact of being legally correct. It's certainly not always the latter; Gamboa. "From what I read so far I think they will have a very hard time substantiating (beyond a reasonable doubt, if that is the standard test the judge applies) how the majority of their peripheral allegations (in the form they are written in the writ; not necessarily as they {may} manifest themselves and/or be perceived in this forum) about Haymon and Co, including those allegations related to, venue squatting, acting as a promoter and advisor due to the money trail, monopolising, using other promoters as a front, and so forth".
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21165-Time-for-GGG-to-call-out-Lil-Floyd&p=84909&viewfull=1#post84909 It is the ability to stop, think, check, and then constructed a detailed response - whether it be long or short - that allows one to make predictions on complex boxing matters and those that may, at first, seem to conflict with the knee jerk of popular opinion. This is why
StormCentre can; A) Not only, with relative ease, dissect, criticize and (where appropriate) compliment Hausers work. B) Run rings around all whom fail to apply the above standard and instead resort to lying, bullying, and posting and accusing before thinking, including both Silly Sam and also our resident world champion and "magician". C) Release posts and - after they have stood the test of time and received responses (requested or not) - not have to run or make excuses for them. D) Never experiences any feelings that others may have, in similar situations, to not back their claims up and resort to "oh the post is too long". All up I thought all the material related to this matter produced by all lawyers, qualified journalists, and boxing writers was - despite some of it being really lengthy and complex - well written. Arum never stood a chance and all those that thought otherwise were probably either taking money from him, or unprepared to look at all the facts before engaging other bodily attributes, including those that allow them to post. Big up to BrownSugar. That dude knew what time it was; just check his posts in the above linked threads if you don't think so.
Storm.


-Radam G :

The Downunder pseudo lawyer will be as right -- dead wrong -- about this issue as he was about Andre Ward's legal issue. Holla!


-stormcentre :

The Downunder pseudo lawyer will be as right -- dead wrong -- about this issue as he was about Andre Ward's legal issue. Holla!
Sorry champ. I was actually correct about that too. And, here I was only thinking/writing about how little checks take place for some here as the lies - which are clearly not just preferred over long accurate and truthful posts, but also both celebrated and prioritized - are in abundance. Speaking of lies, with your latest (double) world champion claims (forget your well deserved E&HHOF for now) this "surely" must be your religion. For your information; the Ward V Goosen Tutor matter didn't actually get to the actual high court (that Ward intended). By the time Goosen had passed away, the matter had only made it to a lesser and/or preliminary arbitration like hearing - within which Andre was - pretty much as I predicted - slammed. Here, my "dual world boxing champion", this is what I wrote about it . . . . .
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?16816-Goosen-files-10-million-dollar-defamation-suit-against-Ward&p=61424&viewfull=1#post61424 Nice checking before posting eh? Still, when you applaud and support others that lie and use such means to attack others (and then run as soon as the truth hits the scene) as rampantly as you have in our other Silly Sam thread, perhaps I should expect nothing less. Nevertheless, unfortunately, you're (again) wrong. Look my newly self-proclaimed "Dual World Boxing Champion", can you please read all the relevant posts and material - even if they're long and complex - before making more rash claims? As otherwise what happens with guys like you (and Silly Sam) that continuously put their foot in their mouth, is that all your erroneous posts, rants, raves, and personal squabbles - and also the excuse riddled tribal activities that follow when you're caught out - that are themselves usually spread out over a very high count of (no doubt because of your own abilities and attention span, and penchant for fiction) short and medium length erroneous posts - end up totaling to far more text/content than the actual "long post" (excuses) that you cats can't be bothered to digest "before "posting and simply hoping what you write is true. As has happened right here, again, with you. Think about it - it saves time in the long run. Plus, if you adopt this approach, you also learn how to check, understand, and think about a subject before/rather than simply prematurely writing flawed posts that only prioritize cultivating the appearance that you know what you're saying. There is a difference, and now that you're a "Dual World Boxing Champion", this approach better reflects your awesome "in the ring" achievements; that you will no doubt back and verify for us all. Speaking of such, how's that verification of your world championship boxing credentials going? Has Mike sighted them yet? :) :)


-stormcentre :

Now, back when I first analysed this matter I released the below posts. What I didn't say back then to anyone (but Dino whom owns this site) was that after my below analyses one of the parties leading private counsel personally emailed me with praise on (their words) how insightful, accurate, and well written it was. Anyway here is what I wrote.
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21754-Arum-Top-Rank-Aim-Overhand-Right-At-Haymon-Lawsuit-Seeks-100-Plus-Damages&p=84907&viewfull=1#post84907 ""Boy, Bob's writ sure reads like their is a personal vendetta woven into its fabric, replete with circumstances described in their most legally obstructed way in order to make a case. They will need to ensure they get a judge that appreciates matters the way Bob seems to enjoy telling them. I am unaware whether it is against the law and/or in violation with the Ali act for an adviser/manager to pay one of their contracted fighters; whether or not it may not always be the done and/or promoter's thing. Fighters fighting on promotions held under the licence of promoters that don't always have a direct relationship with the fighters is certainly not new in boxing either; which is another assumed case in point Arum seems to make"."
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21754-Arum-Top-Rank-Aim-Overhand-Right-At-Haymon-Lawsuit-Seeks-100-Plus-Damages&p=84921&viewfull=1#post84921
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21754-Arum-Top-Rank-Aim-Overhand-Right-At-Haymon-Lawsuit-Seeks-100-Plus-Damages&p=84949&viewfull=1#post84949
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21754-Arum-Top-Rank-Aim-Overhand-Right-At-Haymon-Lawsuit-Seeks-100-Plus-Damages&p=85022&viewfull=1#post85022
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21754-Arum-Top-Rank-Aim-Overhand-Right-At-Haymon-Lawsuit-Seeks-100-Plus-Damages&p=85075&viewfull=1#post85075
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21754-Arum-Top-Rank-Aim-Overhand-Right-At-Haymon-Lawsuit-Seeks-100-Plus-Damages&p=85088&viewfull=1#post85088
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21754-Arum-Top-Rank-Aim-Overhand-Right-At-Haymon-Lawsuit-Seeks-100-Plus-Damages&p=85119&viewfull=1#post85119
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21754-Arum-Top-Rank-Aim-Overhand-Right-At-Haymon-Lawsuit-Seeks-100-Plus-Damages&p=85120&viewfull=1#post85120
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21754-Arum-Top-Rank-Aim-Overhand-Right-At-Haymon-Lawsuit-Seeks-100-Plus-Damages&p=85148&viewfull=1#post85148
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21754-Arum-Top-Rank-Aim-Overhand-Right-At-Haymon-Lawsuit-Seeks-100-Plus-Damages&p=84911&viewfull=1#post84911 "Top Rank better be careful. They are used to throwing their weight around and watching others wilt; whether it be from pressure of the legal/other processes themselves present, or the actual fact of being legally correct. It's certainly not always the latter; Gamboa. "From what I read so far I think they will have a very hard time substantiating (beyond a reasonable doubt, if that is the standard test the judge applies) how the majority of their peripheral allegations (in the form they are written in the writ; not necessarily as they {may} manifest themselves and/or be perceived in this forum) about Haymon and Co, including those allegations related to, venue squatting, acting as a promoter and advisor due to the money trail, monopolising, using other promoters as a front, and so forth". "
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21165-Time-for-GGG-to-call-out-Lil-Floyd&p=84909&viewfull=1#post84909 It is the ability to stop, think, check, and then constructed a detailed response - whether it be long or short - that allows one to make predictions on complex boxing matters and those that may, at first, seem to conflict with the knee jerk of popular opinion. This is why
StormCentre can; A) Not only, with relative ease, dissect, criticize and (where appropriate) compliment Hausers work. B) Run rings around all whom fail to apply the above standard and instead resort to lying, bullying, and posting and accusing before thinking, including both Silly Sam and also our resident world champion and "magician". C) Release posts and - after they have stood the test of time and received responses (requested or not) - not have to run or make excuses for them. D) Never experiences any feelings that others may have, in similar situations, to not back their claims up and resort to "oh the post is too long". All up I thought all the material related to this matter produced by all lawyers, qualified journalists, and boxing writers was - despite some of it being really lengthy and complex - well written. Arum never stood a chance and all those that thought otherwise were probably either taking money from him, or unprepared to look at all the facts before engaging other bodily attributes, including those that allow them to post. Big up to BrownSugar. That dude knew what time it was; just check his posts in the above linked threads if you don't think so.
Storm. :) :) :)


-stormcentre :

Now, back when I first analysed this matter I released the below posts. What I didn't say back then to anyone (but Dino whom owns this site) was that after my below analyses one of the parties leading private counsel personally emailed me with praise on (their words) how insightful, accurate, and well written it was. Anyway here is what I wrote.
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21754-Arum-Top-Rank-Aim-Overhand-Right-At-Haymon-Lawsuit-Seeks-100-Plus-Damages&p=84907&viewfull=1#post84907 ""Boy, Bob's writ sure reads like their is a personal vendetta woven into its fabric, replete with circumstances described in their most legally obstructed way in order to make a case. They will need to ensure they get a judge that appreciates matters the way Bob seems to enjoy telling them. I am unaware whether it is against the law and/or in violation with the Ali act for an adviser/manager to pay one of their contracted fighters; whether or not it may not always be the done and/or promoter's thing. Fighters fighting on promotions held under the licence of promoters that don't always have a direct relationship with the fighters is certainly not new in boxing either; which is another assumed case in point Arum seems to make"."
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21754-Arum-Top-Rank-Aim-Overhand-Right-At-Haymon-Lawsuit-Seeks-100-Plus-Damages&p=84921&viewfull=1#post84921
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21754-Arum-Top-Rank-Aim-Overhand-Right-At-Haymon-Lawsuit-Seeks-100-Plus-Damages&p=84949&viewfull=1#post84949
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21754-Arum-Top-Rank-Aim-Overhand-Right-At-Haymon-Lawsuit-Seeks-100-Plus-Damages&p=85022&viewfull=1#post85022
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21754-Arum-Top-Rank-Aim-Overhand-Right-At-Haymon-Lawsuit-Seeks-100-Plus-Damages&p=85075&viewfull=1#post85075
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21754-Arum-Top-Rank-Aim-Overhand-Right-At-Haymon-Lawsuit-Seeks-100-Plus-Damages&p=85088&viewfull=1#post85088
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21754-Arum-Top-Rank-Aim-Overhand-Right-At-Haymon-Lawsuit-Seeks-100-Plus-Damages&p=85119&viewfull=1#post85119
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21754-Arum-Top-Rank-Aim-Overhand-Right-At-Haymon-Lawsuit-Seeks-100-Plus-Damages&p=85120&viewfull=1#post85120
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21754-Arum-Top-Rank-Aim-Overhand-Right-At-Haymon-Lawsuit-Seeks-100-Plus-Damages&p=85148&viewfull=1#post85148
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21754-Arum-Top-Rank-Aim-Overhand-Right-At-Haymon-Lawsuit-Seeks-100-Plus-Damages&p=84911&viewfull=1#post84911 ""Top Rank better be careful. They are used to throwing their weight around and watching others wilt; whether it be from pressure of the legal/other processes themselves present, or the actual fact of being legally correct. It's certainly not always the latter; Gamboa. From what I read so far I think they will have a very hard time substantiating (beyond a reasonable doubt, if that is the standard test the judge applies) how the majority of their peripheral allegations (in the form they are written in the writ; not necessarily as they {may} manifest themselves and/or be perceived in this forum) about Haymon and Co, including those allegations related to, venue squatting, acting as a promoter and advisor due to the money trail, monopolising, using other promoters as a front, and so forth"."
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21165-Time-for-GGG-to-call-out-Lil-Floyd&p=84909&viewfull=1#post84909 It is the ability to stop, think, check, and then constructed a detailed response - whether it be long or short - that allows one to make predictions on complex boxing matters and those that may, at first, seem to conflict with the knee jerk of popular opinion. This is why
StormCentre can; A) Not only, with relative ease, dissect, criticize and (where appropriate) compliment Hausers work. B) Run rings around all whom fail to apply the above standard and instead resort to lying, bullying, and posting and accusing before thinking, including both Silly Sam and also our resident world champion and "magician". C) Release posts and - after they have stood the test of time and received responses (requested or not) - not have to run or make excuses for them. D) Never experiences any feelings that others may have, in similar situations, to not back their claims up and resort to "oh the post is too long". All up I thought all the material related to this matter produced by all lawyers, qualified journalists, and boxing writers was - despite some of it being really lengthy and complex - well written. Arum never stood a chance and all those that thought otherwise were probably either taking money from him, or unprepared to look at all the facts before engaging other bodily attributes, including those that allow them to post. Big up to BrownSugar. That dude knew what time it was; just check his posts in the above linked threads if you don't think so.
Storm. :) :) :)


-Radam G :

The truth of the matter is that tsAH has an unhealthy obsession about controlling boxing his way because he feels that his ex-boxing big brother Bobby, who got KTFO by Sugar Ray Leonard, got shafted by "the white establishment" and da Bobfather. In the end, tsAH is going to get his arse kicked just he got it kicked in the music industry after destroying Motown Reocrds. Holla!


-brownsugar :

Thanks Storm, of course this win is only the first of many potential battles within a war of legal president that could last a couple of rotations around the sun. But since the initial lynchpin and premise of the complaint was found to be faulty. Then the entire foundation of Bob's case could be based on shifting sand. I have all but forgotten about the entire issue. Hopefully by the time this case is resolved, my plum tree will be bearing fruit.


-stormcentre :

The truth of the matter is that tsAH has an unhealthy obsession about controlling boxing his way because he feels that his ex-boxing big brother Bobby, who got KTFO by Sugar Ray Leonard, got shafted by "the white establishment" and da Bobfather. In the end, tsAH is going to get his arse kicked just he got it kicked in the music industry after destroying Motown Reocrds. Holla!
Yes, you may be right. But right now you are wrong with all your earlier/harsh claims, and it has been found and deemed - by judges and legal minds that are far wiser and more reliable than yours - that Arum's case against Haymon was as doomed as some of us said. However, and this is just me talking now, if (by some freak of unfortunate nature) I were you, I think I would be a little less of a sore loser and, instead, offer congratulations to all those whom got it right about this (with equal effort/intensity as you support and applaud lies and bullying). That's just me though. Notwithstanding all that; I appreciate you're a dual world champion and that you can do/say what you like. :) :)


-stormcentre :

Thanks Storm, of course this win is only the first of many potential battles within a war of legal president that could last a couple of rotations around the sun. But since the initial lynchpin and premise of the complaint was found to be faulty. Then the entire foundation of Bob's case could be based on shifting sand. I have all but forgotten about the entire issue. Hopefully by the time this case is resolved, my plum tree will be bearing fruit.
Yep, agreed. It could swing back the other way. But it's unlikely. Judges and judiciaries (usually) don't like to reverse theirs and/or their colleagues decisions. Furthermore, to do so requires some real financial inertia and significant other efforts. I have taken matters to appeal before; it's never easy and it always (in some way) changes you psychologically forever - just as much as it costs like a bucking mule kicks. The percentages of matters like this (or even those that were not as seriously slammed on many counts) swinging around in the courts, are as small as the legal costs associated with them are - even for Arum - undeniably eye-watering. Did I mention how embarrassing this loss would be to Top Rank? That hurts too; as does writing that cheque out for all Haymons legal costs. Arum's barristers and lawyers would be on well over $1K and hour. Easily. And that's when they're not in court. When in court "acting" their costs would easily be upwards of $20K a day. So they don't care if the matter drags out and requires multiple hearings. In fact, this is what they want. Let me tell you from other's personal experiences I have seen first handed; when the 5 figure legal invoices for cases like this (not to mention an appeal) start rolling in monthly - and success is always never a certainty (regardless of whether or not you lost the initial trial and are now appealing), but still looms/remains as a great "fear-mongering scare tactic sales tool" for your hired counsel - and the next meaningful hearing is at least 18 months away (provided it doesn't get bumped out or used to create another hearing) . . . . . .the experience can quite easily turn the bowels of the most tough and resilient men to water. Very easily. No disrespect to Goosen's (whom was a cool guy) passing; but Ward was lucky his matter never made it to the higher courts. He would have been slammed there too. Legally he had no case. Morally and/or principle-wise, perhaps it's another story/ But, you never go to court on a principle - you go to court for an outcome, and if that outcome is not looking like it will be reasonably successful "before" you litigate; you don't. The "art" of it all is - "before "you litigate - working out how to know (or get your lawyers to state beforehand {which is not in their pecuniary interest}) - whether your matter and its outcome is looking like it will be reasonably successful. Good stuff, it was a pleasure and fun to ride with you on this matter. Take care.
Storm. :) :)


-brownsugar :

Well Storm, you had said from the jump that Bob's case was vague and very general, you aldo mentioned that it probably would fall apart under closer scrutiny. On all those points you're analysis was correct. Give yourself some credit, good call.