Good Boy Gets Stopped; Game Lemieux TKO’d By Golovkin in NYC

He was presented to the masses as a threat, as someone who could give the hammer-fisted Gennady Golovkin some of his own bad medicine. David Lemieux, the model-handsome Montreal resident, performed quite capably, hanging in, eating heavy leather, and landed a few mini bombs. But by round eight, his nose a mess, he was worse for wear; eating clean and hard shots, he winced, looked at the ref, and the ref picked up on it.

At 1:32 of the eighth, a TKO was rung up for Golovkin. The masses didn’t like the choice by Steve Willis, wanting the Canadian to get a chance to land a game changer.

The scrap, for a whole parcel of middleweight belts and title of best middleweight on the planet, unfolded on Saturday evening, at Madison Square Garden, the big room, in Manhattan.

Golovkin, age 33, entered with a 33-0 record, and massive momentum as a “name” in the game. With the exit of Floyd Mayweather, the sport is starved for stars, fighters known outside our narrow sphere of sports entertainment; Golovkin, with a pleasing personality, and brain rattling power which contrasts mightily with his amiable nature, upped his notability quotient nicely with this effort.

Lemieux was presented by promoters as a viable threat, someone who’d grown immensely from 2011, when he lost back to back fights. He’d grown more serious, dialed into the knowledge that this fight game is in fact no game and must be treated 24-7 as a dead-serious endeavor with no room for half-arsing there if one wants to be A grade. And to his credit, he came to the ring to a Scorpions song…And he boxed better than many thought he could and didn’t make it too easy for GGG.

HBO PPV was the TV platform.

In the first, Lemieux had trouble with distance and timing. His right was short but he did handle a couple hard shots. GGG was smooth on his feet and on point with the jab. In the second, GGG was even more on point. His jab was his focus, and Lemieux boxed smartly, pretty cautiously. In the third, the jab threw the hair back again and again but Lem landed a snappy right which buzzed the crowd. Lefts now came from GGG on a bolder Lemieux. In the fourth, Lem boxed smart, then ate a left hook. Ouch. He was getting more tired, a tad more risky in his approach, as his fatigue grew. In the fifth, a right by Lem was his best shot. But GGG dropped him late, with a body blow.

In the sixth, Lem moved OK, slipped OK, got aggressive, but not stupid. In the seventh, the doc looked at Lem’s nose. It was a grind down round for the Kazahk. In the eighth, that was it. The ref halted it as Lem ate… The crowd didn’t dig it, but Lemieux didn’t protest bitterly…

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COMMENTS

-stormcentre :

No surprises really. Lemieux, as game and confident as he was, had nothing for 3G; as Golovkin was way too skilled /experienced as a boxer and a fighter. Best wishes to all the Canadian fans that backed (and stood by) their man. 3G's jab pretty much stopped Lemieux from doing all he said he would. :) :)


-ericfarrell85 :

Just shows you how important and considerable a role range plays in this sport. Golovkin has a calculated, highly-perceptive understanding of where he is at all times (also see it R. Gonzalez). Lemieux on the other hand, even towards the later rounds, continued to find himself short on most of his punches (despite sharing an identical reach). I've always felt Golovkin's defense was underrated. He grows listless at times and tampers down his concentration, but when he's focused, his footwork is a beautiful thing to watch. The first four rounds were no less a boxing lesson than what we see from Mayweather or Ward. I'm still not sure if he beats Ward, but I am no longer of an opinion that he's too slow or cumbersome for that fight. His jab and footwork alone are enough to clean out the middleweight division. The rest of his arsenal is just unfair excess.


-Chris L :

After all that was said in the build up, this was Golovkins easiest fight out of his last three. Lemieux barely landed anything of note throughout the 8 rounds and had was on the back foot from the first minute of the first round. Golovkin needs to unify against the Cotto v Canelo winner and then move up to super middle, he's a big middleweight & there's so many more compelling fights for him at 168


-Chris L :

But you still have to give Golovkin his dues, he's a machine.


-The Good Doctor :

But you still have to give Golovkin his dues, he's a machine.
As much as I want to, I can't. He has not faced someone who could even formidably throw a punch at him. His resume is a list of cadavers including this one. I am not saying that he doesn't have it, heck I really think he does, but there is not enough evidence to show me that he is really good YET. I am not one that gives credit for domination of foes you should dominate and up until this point that is all he has done. Put someone who can actually fight a little in front of him and if he walks through them like the rest of the guys he has been in with, then I may convert.


-mortcola :

The Good Ed gave Lemieux extra credit for trying some good boxing. I didn't see it. I heard and agreed with the commentators re Lemieux seeming to have no game plan. Heavy-footed, no sense of distance, head snapped back by nearly every jab GGG intelligently threw; no capacity whatsoever to set up his bombs, which grazed GGG at best two or three times. Lemieux is a limited bomber only, and GGG used simple, precise boxing to eliminate any legitimate chance that the one-dimensional nukes would land, otherwise did whatever he wanted to, which included crippling the inefficient predator once he was sufficiently uncomfortable and queazy, then drilling him into defeat. Lemieux has a good spirit, and his power and attitude made for good marketing, but he is a much more limited fighter than many acknowledged, and GGG simply demonstrated an A-list champ's ability to neutralize his opponent's one effective dimension then efficiently close the show. Lemieux is a likeable guy, but he only revealed that below the thudding power lay a low ring-IQ, custom-chosen to showcase what we already knew about GGG. Boy's a fighting machine, period, and its time to find someone at another level - yes, Ward at anything up to 168 - so we can begin to see how far that GGG brilliance can reach.


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

Lemeiux illustrated that he is one dimensional, while GGG showed that he is multi-layered in the skill department. GGG's jab and defense were on point and he put on a clinic tonight on how to control range. On the other hand, Lemeiux hasn't learned how to "parry" a jab. He is too reliant on his power and hasn't mastered some of the fundamental skills.


-SouthPawFlo :

Good Way to take care of business by GGG, but once you make it to the PPV level you corner has To come up with Solid Gameplan to win, and this guy couldn't even parry or slip a jab, not once did he counter the jab with the right now, nor did his corner give him any instruction or tell him to make any adjustments... As much as GGG's Power ended the fight his jab won it because it totally neutralized Lemeiux's offense


-Domenic :

Golovkin did his job tonight. Lemieux was never to be mistaken for Ray Robinson, obviously, but he'd been on a decisive winning streak and possessed bona fide, concussive power. The problem's when he ate Golovkin's jab, which he did early and often, he couldn't get close enough to land anything (often times his bombs were coming up a foot short). My takeaway is it's more a product of Golovkin than Lemieux. Credit to him though for taking the fight. He easily could've fought a series of C-level guys and padded his record and waited until 2017/2018 for this fight. He dared to be great, and that's a trait absent from too many in today's landscape. Hopefully Lemieux doesn't fall victim to post-Golovkin beating syndrome, where you're never the same again. As for Golovkin, he's dealing with Klitschko syndrome. He's too good for his opposition. He'll murder Tureano, who fought the opener on the undercard in an entertaining bout that had the compubox machine smoking. But either the Irish opponent has the best chin since Lamotta, or TJ has no game-changing power at all. Golovkin could beat him and a few other guys on the same night, like Foreman in Toronto. Canelo should dispatch Cotto, so Golovkin - Canelo would be very viable (but does Canelo even want it?). Andy Lee would be entertaining, although the outcome never in doubt from the moment it's signed. Quillin wouldn't consider fighting GGG for Trump's money. Otherwise, it looks like Golovkin will be compelled to abandon 160 and try and persuade Ward to drop down from LH to SM and start fighting there.


-Froggy :

I haven't watched the fight [probably later today] but I am going to give my two cents worth anyhow ! I am with Domenic on this one in the sense that the fight was more about just how good GGG is as opposed to how much it said about Lemieux !I think Lemieux has nothing to be ashamed of losing like he did to triple G, and I am happy he got a good payday without getting any serious damage ! He is still young [nobody heard of GGG whenhe was the same age] and he has come back from losing back to back fights that should have been more discouraging than this loss should be !Lemieux has changed trainers before, maybe after he has licked his wounds he can take the wife and kids to southern California, see Disneyland, and I hear there is a pretty good trainer in L.A., that likes agressive fights who can punch , couldn't hurt to check it out !


-michaelabii :

Well, I expected this. It really was a fight between an excellent boxer/puncher with thudding power and a capable banger with confidence. I look at triple GGGs resume and it speaks for itself. All B grade fighters at best which is no disrespect to any of them. It just shows how good triple G is. However, I do need to see him under some kind of pressure - having to fight out of an uncomfortable situation. Thats when good becomes great and he is not quite there yet. Ward proved that against Kessler and Froch. For the record I think Cotto outboxes Canelo and wins a majority decision. Cotto at this stage of the game is the better boxer when he chooses. If triple G can stand Canelos combos which he probably can then its goodbye Canelo. So that leaves Ward who I think can decisively outbox and probably outmuscle triple G.


-Pazuzu :

The Good Ed gave Lemieux extra credit for trying some good boxing. I didn't see it. I heard and agreed with the commentators re Lemieux seeming to have no game plan. Heavy-footed, no sense of distance, head snapped back by nearly every jab GGG intelligently threw; no capacity whatsoever to set up his bombs, which grazed GGG at best two or three times. Lemieux is a limited bomber only, and GGG used simple, precise boxing to eliminate any legitimate chance that the one-dimensional nukes would land, otherwise did whatever he wanted to, which included crippling the inefficient predator once he was sufficiently uncomfortable and queazy, then drilling him into defeat. Lemieux has a good spirit, and his power and attitude made for good marketing, but he is a much more limited fighter than many acknowledged, and GGG simply demonstrated an A-list champ's ability to neutralize his opponent's one effective dimension then efficiently close the show. Lemieux is a likeable guy, but he only revealed that below the thudding power lay a low ring-IQ, custom-chosen to showcase what we already knew about GGG. Boy's a fighting machine, period, and its time to find someone at another level - yes, Ward at anything up to 168 - so we can begin to see how far that GGG brilliance can reach.
Spot on analysis, Mort. Some lateral head and foot movement would serve Lemieux well. That jab just shut him down. No one short of Ward is going to challenge GGG between 160-168. Hope he gets shot at the Cotto-Canelo winner, though.


-amayseng :

Spot on analysis, Mort. Some lateral head and foot movement would serve Lemieux well. That jab just shut him down. No one short of Ward is going to challenge GGG between 160-168. Hope he gets shot at the Cotto-Canelo winner, though.
David always lacked that head movement and GGG timed the ever living crap out of him all night with that destroying jab. That was not a flicking jab, or a stabbing jab, or a keep you busy jab, that was a snap your head back sending all your weight to your back foot hammering jab. Then you had GGG land that round 3 left hook and body shot and it was just too much pain to endure. The stoppage was almost a bit early except for the fact David looked at the ref wincing almost like for help. Though for a guy like that with thunderous one shot power you have to let David go out on his shield, not stop it unless he is out on his feet taking shots. Today's inactive Ward who did not even try to make 168 will not beat GGG. If Ward has 2 very good competitive fights (unlike the walking punching bag Smith) and can make 168 healthy then I think it is a toss up between GGG and Ward. However, today, GGG beats him at 168. GGG can keep that distance and range and will keep Ward from tying him up.


-Pazuzu :

[QUOTE=amayseng;88937] That was not a flicking jab, or a stabbing jab, or a keep you busy jab, that was a snap your head back sending all your weight to your back foot hammering jab. [QUOTE] I was seated just behind the media section, and my primary recollection of the fight is a mental image of watching Lemiux's head pop back and seeing that Mohawk fly all over the place, again, and again, and again. I told my buddy that getting hit with that jab musta felt like getting busted in the face with a 2x4. I'm sure the very first one made Lemeiux's eyes water. I can only imagine what was going through his head. That was a George Foreman jab. The kind that just makes you want to pack it in and go home. Speaking of Foreman, I was really struck by how low Golovkin held his hands after the third round or so. His command of the distance was just complete. Stalking Lemieux down, and dropping bombs from chest level at perfect range for maximum damage. Damn, he was good. Looking forward to catching the rebroadcast next week on HBO.


-Radam G :

As much as I want to, I can't. He has not faced someone who could even formidably throw a punch at him. His resume is a list of cadavers including this one. I am not saying that he doesn't have it, heck I really think he does, but there is not enough evidence to show me that he is really good YET. I am not one that gives credit for domination of foes you should dominate and up until this point that is all he has done. Put someone who can actually fight a little in front of him and if he walks through them like the rest of the guys he has been in with, then I may convert.
Watch it, doc! Your diagnosis is sounding like mine. The trolls are going to get you mixed up with your's truly. And jump all up in your grill. Holla!


-amayseng :

Watch it, doc! Your diagnosis is sounding like mine. The trolls are going to get you mixed up with your's truly. And jump all up in your grill. Holla!
There is no one that can even challenge GGG at mw concur? Ok, and there is only ONE guy who can challenge GGG at 168 as in Ward concur? If you agree then no one can come close to even competing with GGG at his weight class and the next one up except for ONE guy who has been fighting up above him for years and years and who is arguably #1 lb4lb.. That should make GGG an A fighter in my book.


-Radam G :

There is no one that can even challenge GGG at mw concur? Ok, and there is only ONE guy who can challenge GGG at 168 as in Ward concur? If you agree then no one can come close to even competing with GGG at his weight class and the next one up except for ONE guy who has been fighting up above him for years and years and who is arguably #1 lb4lb.. That should make GGG an A fighter in my book.
Three G is no doubt an "A" fighter. But he is dominating in a time of a weak division. There is no middleweight at this day and time on his level. So we will never see him coming back from adversity. And that is the litmus test for greatness. Holla!


-amayseng :

Three G is no doubt an "A" fighter. But he is dominating in a time of a weak division. There is no middleweight at this day and time on his level. So we will never see him coming back from adversity. And that is the litmus test for greatness. Holla!
Agreed completely . He will soon beat Andy Lee or Saunders if they want it and then the winner of Cotto Canelo into another submission tko. Then he will go to smw and there will be yet no one there for him either. Will Ward fight Kovalev at LHW? I say no .


-brownsugar :

I remember watching Godzilla at the drive thru when I was just a kid. I'm referring to the original black and white Japanese version whose special effects process involved simply using a man in a monster suit lumbering through a scaled down replica of a city made from Styrofoam and balsa wood.... ... But the suspension of belief comes easily to a kid looking to escape into the world of cinematic adventure. Like Golovkin, Godzilla was unstoppable, ...he could usually be found steamrolling through an army who was utterly incapable of halting the beast's rampage even though the army upgraded its technology faster than Samsung can roll out the next smart phone. Of course nothing worked as Godzilla was on an order magnitude beyond anything human intellect could conceive of to destroy it. For some reason this is what I was thinking about when the crude but willing Lemieux struggled but ultimately failed to deliver anything even remotely telling onto Golovkin's chin. The same thing that nearly 90% of the boxing community had already concluded before the fight even began. At least in the Godzilla movie the army breaks out the laser beams and Tesla weapons... While Lemieux and his he's team were unable to employ any alternate tactics to derail the one-sided beat down. This was the perfect showcase for Golovkin. What was expected by some to be a Hearns, Hagler shoot out devolved into a mismatch between one man who could box against another man who was a better athlete than a boxer. No need to question Lemieux's management team, if they would have kept Lemieux on the safe path, he could have easily been picked off by the first c-level fighter who wasn't intimidated by his power. At least now Lemieux knows where his deficiencies lie and what he needs to learn to be able to compete with the better boxers.....Losing....... Its called an opportunity for growth For me,....Chocolatito Gonzalez was the highlight of the show. His patient, methodical stripping away of his opponents resistance, defense and ability to mount a successful offence was exhilarating to watch and was easily worth the price of admission. Especially since the Hawiian was far more capable than Lemieux could ever be. Since I have two jobs now I barely have time to visit nearly as much as I used to. But I have to say this before parting, the entrance of Ortiz into the heavyweight ranks is going to force some dynamic confrontations.....Too bad WK is on the way out now that there are at least 4or 5 strong challengers who have the size and skill to present a worthy challenge. This was a fantastic and electrifying week end for boxing. Who says boxing is dead?


-DaveB :

Triple G is awfully good, no doubt about that. However that wasn't the big drama show. That wasn't even a little drama show. He has skills but I was expecting some good man to man fighting. This guy looked like Mayweather in there. He dominated this fight but he didn't seek and destroy. He was so worried about this man power that he jabbed, jabbed, jabbed. So now he is going to fight every fighter differently. No way do I think he beats Ward. I hope Ward gets more active. GGG's team is going to avoid him like the plague. In time Ward must move up to 175. In the meantime I would be as shocked if GGG fights him as I would have been had Mayweather fought GGG. About Lemieux, how can fighters not learn how to jab and get to this level? The fight would have been okay had it not been promoted to be something it wasn't. Don't promise me steak and give me a damned baloney sandwich.


-The Good Doctor :

@Amayseng: I cannot disagree with your assessment however, one of the great things about our beloved sport is that some of your merit is earned by the quality of adversary across from you. Unlike almost every other sport on the planet, in boxing it's not just that you win, but how you win, and who you win against. I must also remind you that GGG has never even sensed a hint of a quality punch or someone with a true quality asset in their boxing arsenal. Not. One. Ever. Not a single guy he has faced has any single quality that most would grade above a B- and I might be generous there. Is it his fault? Nope, "but them be the breaks". You also say that he is better than anyone at the weight class he's in or the one above him with the exception of one person, I agree. The problem with that is twofold though. The guys who are at the bottom of the top 10 (Ramirez, Dirrell, Dirrell, Groves) in the class above him are significantly better than anything on his resume. I think most would consider them are at least worthwhile opponents even though I think GGG mauls them. Secondly, there is something to be said about calling someone great when alot of the judgement is rooted in subjectivity and not real fights. Not matter how good he looks, and he looks amazing(slight pun intended), bottom line is he hasn't done it against an even B-level opponent yet. Until he beats somebody, he has what Deontay Wilder had until he beat Stiverrne. Phenomenal looking against phenomenally lukewarm. I also may be reaching here, but his career path right now looks alot like Quitter Ortiz. Ortiz bludgeoned below average guys to an absolute pulp. He looked like a monster until he met a hungry Maidana coming off of a loss. We all know how that story ended. I don't think GGG is going to be that at all, however he has not done anything to show us that it will not.


-gibola :

GGG is very good, but the good news for opponents is he's there to hit so a puncher has a puncher's chance. My advice to Lemieux would have been go forward, push him back with double/triple jabs, punch when he punches and try to make it a 50-50 shootout. Easier said than done but your only chance is to win by knockout and your best chance of doing that is to engage him while you are still strong, fast and powerful. You may get ko'd early but it's your best and only chance of winning. Instead, Lemieux got pinned on the jab, stayed at range far too much, got involved in a boxing contest rather than a brawl, tried too many single punches from range and had the fight slowly beaten out of him without ever launching the all-out offensive we had all hoped for. Lemieux is a brave, action fighter and I hope he comes back stronger, but that was a slow beating that may well take it's toll on his confidence as much as his body. Credit to GGG for another excellent performance.


-Domenic :

I thought Golovkin boxed beautifully, and nobody expected that nor had he ever really demonstrated that part of his game full-fight. He landed a punishing, ramrod jab all night at will against a big time puncher (yes, Lemieux was a one trick pony, defined only by his power, but everyone knew that going in; nobody was comparing him to Pernell Whitaker in the build-up). In previous fights, Golovkin was happy to absorb shots. In this one, discretion was the better part of valor for him. But one can hardly say he ran, or disengaged. It was an intelligent, high-level performance against a dangerous guy on a roll. He systematically broke him down, busted him up, and won by stoppage, again. Now, who has Golovkin ducked? Or who should he fight? Ok, it's a fair argument that he's running from Ward. But let's look at that more closely. Ward is more commentator than boxer these days. He's basically been on the shelf 3 years, and his last fight, against Phil Jones or whatever, was at Light Heavyweight (if Golovkin fought Phil Jones he'd be lambasted, and rightfully so). But let's accept that Golovkin is ducking Ward. Who else is he running from? Quillin? Saunders? Lee? Canelo? Cotto? We can't reincarnate the 1981 version of Hagler, or Gerald Mclellan of 1994 and bring them back. Golovkin's affliction is that he's too good. Just like Klitschko, the topic always becomes a referendum on his opposition. Are the New England Patriots ducking teams, or are they just that much better than the rest? That Chicago Bulls team of the mid-late 90's that lost single-digit regular season games and won it, were they ducking teams?


-amayseng :

@Amayseng: I cannot disagree with your assessment however, one of the great things about our beloved sport is that some of your merit is earned by the quality of adversary across from you. Unlike almost every other sport on the planet, in boxing it's not just that you win, but how you win, and who you win against. I must also remind you that GGG has never even sensed a hint of a quality punch or someone with a true quality asset in their boxing arsenal. Not. One. Ever. Not a single guy he has faced has any single quality that most would grade above a B- and I might be generous there. Is it his fault? Nope, "but them be the breaks". You also say that he is better than anyone at the weight class he's in or the one above him with the exception of one person, I agree. The problem with that is twofold though. The guys who are at the bottom of the top 10 (Ramirez, Dirrell, Dirrell, Groves) in the class above him are significantly better than anything on his resume. I think most would consider them are at least worthwhile opponents even though I think GGG mauls them. Secondly, there is something to be said about calling someone great when alot of the judgement is rooted in subjectivity and not real fights. Not matter how good he looks, and he looks amazing(slight pun intended), bottom line is he hasn't done it against an even B-level opponent yet. Until he beats somebody, he has what Deontay Wilder had until he beat Stiverrne. Phenomenal looking against phenomenally lukewarm. I also may be reaching here, but his career path right now looks alot like Quitter Ortiz. Ortiz bludgeoned below average guys to an absolute pulp. He looked like a monster until he met a hungry Maidana coming off of a loss. We all know how that story ended. I don't think GGG is going to be that at all, however he has not done anything to show us that it will not.
I agree completely but at some point he have to just stop critiquing and trust your eyes. I would say David has A power. Though how he does not employ a jab or use head movement as a professional I do not know. So what can we do, just continue to demote the the possibility that GGG is great because no one can challenge him? Floyd was great at the end of his career the last few years but what A prime fighter did he fight? Pac was not prime, Chino was not an A fighter, the Ghost coming up not an A fighter, Ortiz-yikes, Berto---double yikes, DLH past prime, Zab an A talent but never an A level, JMM-coming up two classes before peds.... So Floyd didnt have A prime fighters to face but he is still acknowledged as being a phenom which I agree to. Can we not say the same about GGG?


-Radam G :

I agree completely but at some point he have to just stop critiquing and trust your eyes. I would say David has A power. Though how he does not employ a jab or use head movement as a professional I do not know. So what can we do, just continue to demote the the possibility that GGG is great because no one can challenge him? Floyd was great at the end of his career the last few years but what A prime fighter did he fight? Pac was not prime, Chino was not an A fighter, the Ghost coming up not an A fighter, Ortiz-yikes, Berto---double yikes, DLH past prime, Zab an A talent but never an A level, JMM-coming up two classes before peds.... So Floyd didnt have A prime fighters to face but he is still acknowledged as being a phenom which I agree to. Can we not say the same about GGG?
The games is full of tricks of the trade. You are spot on that Money May and 3g are similar in not fighting the best of the best prime opponents. But that it how the sport supposed to roll. Only a few great pugs throughout history fought other great pugs while they were also prime. But 90 percent didn't. Lil Floyd is definitely in that 90 percent by choice. He bullsyetted his way through the game with ducking and cherry picking. And 3g is in it by no choice of his own. He has come around when the middleweights are not worth a dime. Holla!


-stormcentre :

Easy fight to pick - more of a mismatch than Floyd V Berto. And, Floyd V Pacquaio. Love it. The game is full of tricks of the trade for those that don't know them. :) :)


-The Good Doctor :

I agree completely but at some point he have to just stop critiquing and trust your eyes. I would say David has A power. Though how he does not employ a jab or use head movement as a professional I do not know. So what can we do, just continue to demote the the possibility that GGG is great because no one can challenge him? Floyd was great at the end of his career the last few years but what A prime fighter did he fight? Pac was not prime, Chino was not an A fighter, the Ghost coming up not an A fighter, Ortiz-yikes, Berto---double yikes, DLH past prime, Zab an A talent but never an A level, JMM-coming up two classes before peds.... So Floyd didnt have A prime fighters to face but he is still acknowledged as being a phenom which I agree to. Can we not say the same about GGG?
Firstly, my eyes have let me down so many times, it's ridiculous. Part of it is inherent skepticism, part of it human error, part just plain stupidity, part is just the good and bad luck of the sport, and part of it is the wizardry of the sport. Secondly, I agree you don't demote the possibility of his greatness. My point is just that though, until exercised, his greatness remains just that. A possibility. A very massive, likely to happen possibility.........yep, but none the less still a possibility. As for Floyd, I am in your camp, you can make the argument that Floyd never fought a good prime fighter ever. Some would argue Chino and I can see that but will not argue if you say that Chino was a little unproven when he and Floyd fought. However, Floyd fought guys that were cherry picked and out of their prime, but several I would consider a B level or better. Pac, Cotto, Shane, Chico, and Canelo were not phenoms at the time of their bouts but were formidable and far above in talent and quality than anyone GGG fought. I am not asking for an A+ fighter. I am just asking for a good one. Give me a dominant W over a Groves, Dirrell, Stieglitz or Ramirez type and I am all in. Until then, I still reside in the land of holdout.


-amayseng :

Firstly, my eyes have let me down so many times, it's ridiculous. Part of it is inherent skepticism, part of it human error, part just plain stupidity, part is just the good and bad luck of the sport, and part of it is the wizardry of the sport. Secondly, I agree you don't demote the possibility of his greatness. My point is just that though, until exercised, his greatness remains just that. A possibility. A very massive, likely to happen possibility.........yep, but none the less still a possibility. As for Floyd, I am in your camp, you can make the argument that Floyd never fought a good prime fighter ever. Some would argue Chino and I can see that but will not argue if you say that Chino was a little unproven when he and Floyd fought. However, Floyd fought guys that were cherry picked and out of their prime, but several I would consider a B level or better. Pac, Cotto, Shane, Chico, and Canelo were not phenoms at the time of their bouts but were formidable and far above in talent and quality than anyone GGG fought. I am not asking for an A+ fighter. I am just asking for a good one. Give me a dominant W over a Groves, Dirrell, Stieglitz or Ramirez type and I am all in. Until then, I still reside in the land of holdout.
I understand and concur. GGG just has no one of merit at mw to get him that respect. Floyd did fight good prime fighters though, just not an elite A class fighter. Corrales was near that, Castillo maybe as well. I mean that the last 7 years Floyd has fought past prime guys and no A level fighters yet he still received #1 lb4lb. So are we being hypocritical? He still received his respect and status why shouldn't GGG?


-The Good Doctor :

I understand and concur. GGG just has no one of merit at mw to get him that respect. Floyd did fight good prime fighters though, just not an elite A class fighter. Corrales was near that, Castillo maybe as well. I mean that the last 7 years Floyd has fought past prime guys and no A level fighters yet he still received #1 lb4lb.
So are we being hypocritical? He still received his respect and status why shouldn't GGG?
I don't think so. Now I do think part of the reason that Floyd earned respect is because he told the masses they should. It was alot like Bert Sugar said about Ali: ""Part of the reason Muhammad Ali was considered the greatest is because every chance he got, he told us he was"" I do think part of the reason that Floyd earned some respect is because he did it, although selectively, through several weight classes. In addition as stated earlier, his level of competition was worlds better than GGG's as of right now. Not A+ or always the best guy available but I would rate them better than average whereas GGG's is on the lower side of average.


-Radam G :

I understand and concur. GGG just has no one of merit at mw to get him that respect. Floyd did fight good prime fighters though, just not an elite A class fighter. Corrales was near that, Castillo maybe as well. I mean that the last 7 years Floyd has fought past prime guys and no A level fighters yet he still received #1 lb4lb. So are we being hypocritical? He still received his respect and status why shouldn't GGG?
Lil Floyd fought a starved-down Corrales. And I won't even tell you how much illness the late, great Corrales was in making that weight. Money May was great at setting up optical illusions. Holla!


-amayseng :

This is why Floyd should have fought an A+ prime Pac years ago. If Ward doesn't fight GGG then the same will be said of both guys


-mortcola :

Something else about GGG - how many guys make their opponents - tough, proven fighters - collapse in agony or with signs of a concussion after being hit with neat, well-placed single punches?


-amayseng :

Something else about GGG - how many guys make their opponents - tough, proven fighters - collapse in agony or with signs of a concussion after being hit with neat, well-placed single punches?
Agreed Mortcola, he is literally battering these guys into submission. Tough , proven men are withering into submission