In A Ward-Golovkin Bout, Who Is The A-Side?

Two of the best and most formidable fighters in boxing, Andre Ward 28-0 (15), the alpha fighter at super middleweight, and Gennady Golovkin 33-0 (30), the alpha fighter at middleweight, have been trading barbs for the last few months via the media.

This week the spit-fight between them continued, since both grasp that a fight between them next year would be huge. However, Golovkin says for that to happen Ward has to come down to 164–and Ward hasn’t been below 166 in nine years–in order for the fight to become a reality. This is kind of interesting since Golovkin was willing to meet Carl Froch and/or Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. at the super-middleweight limit of 168 not too long ago.

Also, one must ask why Golovkin would allow Froch and Chavez to face him as a fully flowered super middleweight but in the case of Ward, he has to drop down to 164? Then again there’s no need to contemplate why for long. As most boxing fans know Ward has already taken Froch apart and would be an overwhelming betting favorite over Chavez at any weight.

A Ward-Golovkin bout would be very hard to handicap. Ward, as a technician/boxer, aside from Floyd Mayweather, has no equal when it comes to being a complete and versatile fighter. On the other hand, Golovkin is considered the biggest single-shot puncher in boxing at 168 and below. What a style contrast it would be to watch them match their skills against each other – since Ward has never faced a puncher like Gennady and Golovkin has never been near, let alone confronted a fighter who brings everything to the ring that Ward does.

Yes, it’s great to ponder a match between them and it would be great for boxing, but it’s not going to happen for a good while down the road, for three reasons…starting with Golovkin. Right now Golovkin is the slightly higher profile fighter because he’s been active during the same time frame in which Ward has been inactive. And Golovkin also has at least one big dollar fight waiting for him at middleweight, and that’s the winner of the upcoming lineal middleweight clash in November between champ Miguel Cotto and Saul “Canelo” Alvarez. Regardless of who wins between Cotto and Alvarez, Golovkin will be a huge favorite against either one. So much so that the odds will make it a difficult betting proposition. And if you’re Gennady, you’re probably better off if Alvarez wins because as impressive as his record is, Golovkin’s resume isn’t loaded with a who’s-who list of upper-tier opponents. Alvarez is young and strong and will not look like a welterweight next to Golovkin the way that the 34 year old Cotto would, mainly because Miguel turned pro as a junior welterweight. So Golovkin would get much more credit and props beating Alvarez than he would Cotto.

Golovkin having at least one big fight for him at middleweight is a great reason for him to try and push a fight with Ward down the road. But that won’t settle the weight issue. I’m so sick of catch-weight bouts between elite fighters it’s nauseating. How many of these charades will it take for fans to grasp that the fighter coming down in weight usually loses?

For Golovkin to insist on a fight with Ward at 164 is a joke. Why doesn’t he just say, I need to weaken him to feel as though I can beat him? If Ward is too big for Gennady, then don’t look his way or mention fighting him.

Floyd Mayweather, it would seem, felt that Golovkin was too big for him and rightly never asked to fight him. What would it prove if Golovkin beat a drained and depleted Ward? It’s not like he would’ve faced the same fighter that Edison Miranda, Mikkel Kessler, Sakio Bika, Arthur Abraham, Carl Froch and Chad Dawson had to contend with. Speaking of Dawson, how strong did he look against Ward fighting seven pounds below his natural weight?

It’s a farce for Golovkin to ask for Ward to fight him at 164, just as it would be for Mayweather to fight Golovkin at 154. If Ward could’ve been effective fighting near middleweight, he would’ve been a middleweight. And the same holds true for Golovkin – if he was strong at 154, he would’ve fought as a junior middleweight. Sure, Ward could make 164 and Golovkin could make 154, but they’d be skeletons resembling an empty package in the ring on fight night.

This leads us to the final stumbling block…and that is, who would be the A-side in a Ward-Golovkin bout?

It seems based on the way the Golovkin faction has projected themselves, they feel quite certain that Golovkin deserves top billing. This is something I couldn’t disagree with more. Think about it, a short time ago Carl Froch was mentioned as a future opponent for Golovkin and everybody got excited. And that’s because Froch would’ve represented the most recognizable name on Golovkin’s resume. Well, Ward dismantled a more relevant version of Froch almost four years ago.

Yes, Gennady gets the attention because he’s a perceived destroyer via his punching power. However, Ward has a way better body of work and must be the A-side if he and Golovkin fight. Neither fighter has ever been the main event on a PPV card. In that regard they need each other. But based on who has accomplished more at the highest level in boxing, it’s clearly Ward. And for the fight to be legit, it must be contested at 168. That’s the challenge for Golovkin. Can he beat a really sensational, slightly bigger fighter? And if Ward is too big for him then stay away from him and clean out the middleweight division. In addition to that, Ward has never said that he wants to be the middleweight champ.

Again, it’s great to ponder a Ward-Golovkin match and it would be so great for boxing, but it’s not going to happen for a long spell, which is too often the case in the sport today, sadly.

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COMMENTS

-Kid Blast :

Ggg


-amayseng :

A side is all about who brings in more money and that would have to go to GGG without a doubt. The last three years his star has been continuously rising while Ward has been sidelined for nearly two years. Good fight, can see these guys splitting victories dependent upon the judging.


-Carmine Cas :

GGG's team is kind of in a pickle here. GGG said he would fight anybody from 154-168; his team put their foot their in their mouth. So I agree with Lotierzo regarding the weight; essentially GGG is not walking the walking. However he is the A-side fighter, regardless of Wards accomplishments (and I am very big on Ward, he is right up there with Floyd IMO) SOG isn't well known outside of Oakland. He doesn't bring a lot of money to the table. He presents high risk-low reward to Golovkin. It's a shame because Ward has accomplished so much in this sport but has not been managed (partially his fault) well to attain the acclaim he deserves. He would be a nightmare for GGG in my opinion. Too smart, too fast, too strong. He would expose GGG's porous defense, tie him up and beat him up on the inside. He beats GGG almost at every phase. GGG ride the A-side train for now and hope Ward goes up to 175 to fight Krusher.


-Radam G :

GGG's team is kind of in a pickle here. GGG said he would fight anybody from 154-168; his team put their foot their in their mouth. So I agree with Lotierzo regarding the weight; essentially GGG is not walking the walking. However he is the A-side fighter, regardless of Wards accomplishments (and I am very big on Ward, he is right up there with Floyd IMO) SOG isn't well known outside of Oakland. He doesn't bring a lot of money to the table. He presents high risk-low reward to Golovkin. It's a shame because Ward has accomplished so much in this sport but has not been managed (partially his fault) well to attain the acclaim he deserves. He would be a nightmare for GGG in my opinion. Too smart, too fast, too strong. He would expose GGG's porous defense, tie him up and beat him up on the inside. He beats GGG almost at every phase. GGG ride the A-side train for now and hope Ward goes up to 175 to fight Krusher.
Ditto! I'm rolling with you 100 percent on that. Holla!


-Radam G :

GGG's team is kind of in a pickle here. GGG said he would fight anybody from 154-168; his team put their foot their in their mouth. So I agree with Lotierzo regarding the weight; essentially GGG is not walking the walking. However he is the A-side fighter, regardless of Wards accomplishments (and I am very big on Ward, he is right up there with Floyd IMO) SOG isn't well known outside of Oakland. He doesn't bring a lot of money to the table. He presents high risk-low reward to Golovkin. It's a shame because Ward has accomplished so much in this sport but has not been managed (partially his fault) well to attain the acclaim he deserves. He would be a nightmare for GGG in my opinion. Too smart, too fast, too strong. He would expose GGG's porous defense, tie him up and beat him up on the inside. He beats GGG almost at every phase. GGG ride the A-side train for now and hope Ward goes up to 175 to fight Krusher.
Ditto! I ride with you a 100 percent on that one. Holla!


-Chris L :

Regardless of whether Ward dismantled a more relevant version of Froch, GGG has been active and is on a killer knockout streak. We all know everyone loves knockouts. GGG is more known because of this; that makes him the A side.


-King Beef :

As much as I want to say there should be no A-side if this fight ever happened, I have to lean toward GGG, due to his activity, and Ward's lack thereof. GGG is riding off of good exposure on HBO, and everyone speaks of his KO's which do very much matter, but you have to admit, just like every other "star in the making" before and after him, the opponents are there for the taking. I also think Ward signing with ROC is not gonna get him the exposure he deserves, and his latest round of opponents has to get better as well.


-SouthPawFlo :

GGG Wants no parts of Andre Ward, he said in multiple interviews he'll take on anybody from 154-168 but won't go to 168 for a guy on the p4p list...


-King Beef :

GGG Wants no parts of Andre Ward, he said in multiple interviews he'll take on anybody from 154-168 but won't go to 168 for a guy on the p4p list...
SouthPaw, I get that feeling too. I know they were gonna shoot for Froch at 168, but want Ward @ 164. To tell you the truth, If it were me I would have tried to jump Ward as soon as he got back, maybe catch him after that loooong lay-off. If he loses, he lost to arguably the heir to the P4P, and if he wins....you already know. lol I know they said Ward always stayed sharp and in the gym, but it would have been worth the risk for a "Big drama show" if that is indeed GGG and his team's goal. I think a lot of these guys won't admit it, but those "0"s are alittle more important than they let on. It can be a big bargaining chip.


-Domenic :

The A-Side is Golovkin. Andre Ward's great, and his victory in the Super Six was career defining and epic, given the stiff competition and inability to deliberately duck guys. But when you spend years on the shelf, and your name is not Ray Leonard or Mike Tyson, your stock suffers. That's what happened to Andre. Ward's a superb talent, and if anyone can bounce back and have a career resurgence, it's him. But Golovkin is clearly boxing's most electric athlete right now. He's active, respectful, likable, and a wrecking ball who punches like a prime Gerald McClellan. His fights are edge of your seat from the get go, a rare commodity. Ward seems to be trending more toward Kovalev anyway (didn't he fight his comeback at 172 or something). We'll see, but there is a great boxing triumvirate from 160-175 with Golovkin, Ward, and Kovalev. A-Side, GGG.


-SouthPawFlo :

Other than Power, I don't know what advantage Golovkin would have in the ring, he would be the smaller & slower fighter, Ward has better footwork, better defense, better conditioning and better ring generalship, unless he would get a early KO by overwhelming him with a barrage of punches or catching Ward with something he doesn't see, I really can't imagine how GGG would win more than 3 rounds against Andre Ward


-Bernie Campbell :

I think for this fight to go over, GGG has to eat nothing but fertuccini alfredo 3x a day until February! Or Ward must get perscriptions for Fleet Enemas or find the perfect daily physic!


-stormcentre :

Normally I would say 3G. But Ward is special. And the 3G V Ward fight is about as good as any matchup can get. 3G better get Ward now, cause if Ward can get back to previous form and does, 3G could be in for some problematic strategic issues. Back to whom the "A" side is . . . . . I think we need to look at the numbers each guy is pulling, "normalize" (filter theory) them for the circumstances, and then we will know. Good posts above about the subject though; Dominic, BC & SPF. BC, that daily physic comment is quite exploitable in terms of what we already have here, but let's leave there for now. :) :) :)


-amayseng :

Other than Power, I don't know what advantage Golovkin would have in the ring, he would be the smaller & slower fighter, Ward has better footwork, better defense, better conditioning and better ring generalship, unless he would get a early KO by overwhelming him with a barrage of punches or catching Ward with something he doesn't see, I really can't imagine how GGG would win more than 3 rounds against Andre Ward
Better conditioning? Where do you get that? It can be argued GGG has more experience due to his vast amateur background. Another advantage would be that GGG has been ridiculously active and Ward has not. So advantage wise for GGG you can list 1 power 2 conditioning 3 experience 4 activity-more sharp as of today 5 finishing ability If Ward was active the last few years I would favor him over GGG at 168. As of today if they fought even at 168 I would heavily favor GGG. If you boxed you would understand the degradation of ring rust then fighting a can like Paul Smith. Sharp he is far from.


-michigan400 :

Right now Id say 50/50 with no clear A side. GGG has been active and gaining popularity but Ward was a top dog before his layoff. Coin flip for who walks in last. The catch weight crap does need to go. Let it be at super middle that way GGG can weigh 164 if he wants but Ward should have no such obligation. Between 161 and 168 is the weight class. Period. To me it sounds like GGG has a new voice whispering in his ear. I think he has the anyone, anytime attitude but someone is puffing him up with this A side game the system crap. Too bad. Id heavily lean towards Ward winning that fight anyway.


-stormcentre :

3G has faded in late rounds sometimes, particularly against very tough, durable, and resilient foes; perhaps suffering the curse KO kings, and Tyson. So - whilst 3G puts an ungodly amount of heat/pressure on (second tier {regardless of what their belt/rankings say} or recently defeated) guys - I am not sure about his conditioning in the late rounds against top tier operators; despite the fact that 3G's stamina and cardio may and/or (theoretically) has to be - given where he trains, what he does there, and how he fights - absolutely top shelf championship material. Personally - and this is just little old me without any magic vitamins and minerals to feed my lame brain properly so I may just be reading a little to much/little into all this - I think Gennady, after rounds 6 or 7, sometimes starts to worry a little too much; particularly if it looks like he's not getting another KO kill. Which - remember in the amateurs, before you have had 15 or so fights, when before a fight you'd waste too much of your caridovascular fitness with nerves, worrying, and performance anxiety; before you learned to relax with all that - which (relaxing) only came from experience. I think that this pressure and the fact that Gennady knows that (1) he has been fighting guys that really are not on his level and testing his nerves, and (2) one day he will meet one that is (and {(3), he knows} that guy is Ward); sometimes works to rob Golovkin from even his supreme fitness - in late rounds - in similar ways to the aforementioned performance anxiety derived from inexperience does. That's what I see anyway. Happy to be told how I am wrong. 3G's fitness is as good as it gets in Big Bear though. It has to be. But 3G has not tested his himself in the pros very much, and not in ways that test his nerves as he previously used to. And this - depending on the level his promoter and he choses to operate at - is a weakness. Personally, I think that 3G knows that there is no test like a real test; particularly when it comes to your nerves and mind, and - of course - a decent challenge. 3G now - as he very well knows - has gone quite a few years without really testing himself and/or his nerves. As an amateur he would frequently test his mind, nerves, and all other attributes he possessed at the highest levels; often with guys that were - skill-wise - as good as if not better than many professional champions then/now. So, he knows - by the very fact that he can remember back to what it was like to have nerves of steel that, regardless of competition, in no way nipped at the heels of his stamina - there is a real test out there both including, and other than, the good fighters he has not yet fought; how his nerves and the conditioning they have influence over will react under the same kind of psychological pressure they have been weened off of these last 6 or so years. So, in with a guy like Andre Ward you have to say - or at least consider - that Golovkin's cardio will not be as good as it gets (for 3G) in Big Bear. Especially since it noticeably faltered with guys like Stevenson and Murray, and possibly (although I'm not sure about) Monroe; whom are all far, far, less than Ward is even now. Whereas on the subject of Ward's stamina; it has never really noticeably been a problem in his big fights. Even though the issue with him is that he is not quite yet back to the form we know he can be in. Guys like Ward - whom, whilst they don't just play to Golovkin's strengths and tactics (as Lemieux surely will) can also hit 3G and make him miss, which - can augment the above-mentioned issues 3G may have with his nerves and fitness; just as much as a decent whack from Gennady can usually knock 4 good rounds out of a guy - and that's even if he doesn't go down. I would rate - for the purpose of a 3G V Ward fight where each guy gets at least 1 or 2 (other) fights in before they fight each other - Ward's championship level fitness and nerves above 3G's. I would also give Ward the edge in experience too; as recent match-practice is not the same as experience. I would give 3G the edge in match-practice (even though it's with lesser competition than Ward usually fights) but only provided he gets Ward now or only after Ward has 1 more fight before meeting 3G. Power would go to 3G; even though it's with lesser competition than Ward usually fights. The problem (for 3G) with the "even though it's with lesser competition than Ward usually fights" condition is that many other edges one may give to Golovkin (such as finishing) may simply evaporate when in with a guy like Ward. Aside from the above and possibly punch resistance (even though Andre's is excellent) and foot placement/work (not movement), I would give all other advantages to Ward, including; adaptability, strategic thinking, defence, speed, determination, ability to do what corner says, ring generalship, and possibly a few others. :) :) :)


-leon30001 :

Wouldn't "quite" say Ward took Froch apart. Of course he beat him, but look at the last few minutes of that fight. Carl was NOT a "taken apart" fighter! Off-topic, but if any fighter of this era would have benefited from 15-rounds matches it would have been Froch.


-Giacomo :

I can't believe this is even being debated. Golovkin is by far the A side and anyone that thinks otherwise is as delirious as Ward is. Another thing is why does this guy who wrote article think 164 is such a bad idea? You have one guy that is a 160 pound champ and another guy that is the 168 pound kingpin so you meet in the middle. I actually think Golovkins team is being to nice, Golovkin is the draw here and has all the power not Ward, I personally think Ward should have to come down to 160. The other thing is I can't believe how anyone could say Golovkin is ducking Ward, Ward made an offer of 50/50 after Golovkin signed the Lemieux fight and not to mention he wants a couple tuneups. So your saying Golovkin who is already at least a 60-40 A side at this moment in time goes and headlines his first ppview vs Lemieux, then he fights Andy Lee on St Patrick's day At the Garden on another Ppview,then fights Canelo on Cinco de Mayo, So Golovkin go's and wins 3 ppview main events and 1 of them the biggest ppview of the year but then Golovkin is supposed to fight Ward at 50/50 after that? Get outta here that's a joke, Hypothetically if they did accept that Ward offer then Mr Loeffler would've probably been fired immediately. Ward is just trying to ride GGG'S Coattails. Ward needs to start worrying about how he's going to build his own brand get more than 25 fans and spread his fanbase further than the Golden Gate Bridge. My goodness people are delirious. It's sad because Of how ridiculously talented Ward is, I used to be a big time Ward fan but after all these crybaby stunts he's pulled and how inactive he's been I'm no longer a Ward fan and Ward has nobody to blame for his rapid decline In popularity but himself.


-Domenic :

I can't believe this is even being debated. Golovkin is by far the A side and anyone that thinks otherwise is as delirious as Ward is. Another thing is why does this guy who wrote article think 164 is such a bad idea? You have one guy that is a 160 pound champ and another guy that is the 168 pound kingpin so you meet in the middle. I actually think Golovkins team is being to nice, Golovkin is the draw here and has all the power not Ward, I personally think Ward should have to come down to 160. The other thing is I can't believe how anyone could say Golovkin is ducking Ward, Ward made an offer of 50/50 after Golovkin signed the Lemieux fight and not to mention he wants a couple tuneups. So your saying Golovkin who is already at least a 60-40 A side at this moment in time goes and headlines his first ppview vs Lemieux, then he fights Andy Lee on St Patrick's day At the Garden on another Ppview,then fights Canelo on Cinco de Mayo, So Golovkin go's and wins 3 ppview main events and 1 of them the biggest ppview of the year but then Golovkin is supposed to fight Ward at 50/50 after that? Get outta here that's a joke, Hypothetically if they did accept that Ward offer then Mr Loeffler would've probably been fired immediately. Ward is just trying to ride GGG'S Coattails. Ward needs to start worrying about how he's going to build his own brand get more than 25 fans and spread his fanbase further than the Golden Gate Bridge. My goodness people are delirious. It's sad because Of how ridiculously talented Ward is, I used to be a big time Ward fan but after all these crybaby stunts he's pulled and how inactive he's been I'm no longer a Ward fan and Ward has nobody to blame for his rapid decline In popularity but himself.
Giacomo! That name inspires good memories for me because I had a win ticket on him when the horse named 'Giacomo' won the 2005 Kentucky Derby at 50/1. Only wish I'd have put more than $10 on him, haha. Good comments all around. I'm not a big catch-weight guy. I know it's become the norm but man, they might as well just toss divisions out the window altogether and have a champion for every other pound. I'm a Golovkin guy, 100% (Ward too, honestly). But if Golovkin meets Ward, Andre should be able to fight at a full-blown 168 if he so chooses. No skeletoning a guy. Hate that. Remember the era of 8 weight classes and one champion in each? That would be beautiful. Titles would actually matter. Oh well, enough nostalgia. Storm makes great points about GGG. I also recall Mortcola saying, and it's in the archives not long ago, that Golovkin is going to taste some power before too long, power that he can't shake off with impunity, and will be truly jolted and tested. It's not IF, but WHEN. He's not a perfect prizefighter, by no means, but about as perfect a prizefighter to watch while he's in his prime, that's for sure. I think against Ward, it's even money (slight edge to GGG; see Storm's analysis for better reasoning than I'll lay out). Golovkin's got a lot of mileage on him between the amateur and pro ranks. That day of being tested will happen soon. I'm always tuning in for Golovkin though, that's for damn sure.


-stormcentre :

This matter is - in some ways - a bit of a rare case for modern day boxing. Usually these discussions and considerations don't always go as public opinion may think, due the rare occasions when one fighter has that "X-factor". In this instance both guys - 3G and Ward have that "X-factor"; kind of like how Leonard did when he came back to fight Hagler. In that scenario - if you let Leonard be Ward and Hagler be 3G - Leonard still called most shots; and he was inactive for the same or a similar (if not more) amount of time than Ward. Sure Leonard was more famous when he came back, but Hagler was also more known (and busting up better guys) than 3G too. However, as "powerful", dynamic and brilliant that Golovkin is (and I know that hardly anyone KO's - even - all their "managed" opponents; so don't get me wrong here); the fact remains that Golovkin is no Hagler {not yet anyway} in terms of whom he has fought and also some other attributes. Whereas Ward is not too far off - for the amount of fights he's had (compare records please) - from where Leonard was for the same amount of fights (and in other ways too), and if that's not the case then I can't think of too many other guys (Hopkins, Jones, Mayweather, aside) that can come as close to a Leonard comparison for these purposes as Ward can. I mean Ward; far out; the guy cleaned house with the super 6 whilst he was just out of the amateur dipers, and then he went on to clean house again as a professional in some very undeniable ways. Golovkin is cool, pure, hard core, and I love the guy. Eastern Bloc all the way baby! Everybody here knows I love that (Eastern Bloc, deep core strength, and Kostya Tszyu) boxing style the most . . . . but - quality of opposition and achievements considered - 3G is only half as good as even Tszyu was for the same amount of fights (premature posters; check the facts). . . and . . . this is the biggie . . . as incredible as Tszyu was/is (remember; first guy in ~30 years to unify the light welterweight division, and the guy -at times - deliberately fought with mock-liabilities as a strategic weapon for future fights) . . . Ward is pretty special too, and he has fought/beaten the types of styles/guys that both 3G and K2 usually avoid; which is as problematic for Gennady as it is obvious. Sure it's a close call, but these are the considerations that take place in the promotional ivory towers of the sport, once the win/loss and KO ratios, and the other more obvious (and easily "managed") metrics are placed to one side. Finally, everyone knows that I hate to be a protagonist ( :) ) but I do think 3G has, in some ways, not only avoided Ward; but really would prefer not to fight him - particularly at 168 and if Ward gets his mojo back. 3G would never (within the next few years) be able to have a signature fight like this without Ward. Whereas Ward could easily with several other opponents in various weights. Food for thought. :) :)


-Kid Blast :

Ward has no Charisma. He is boring and flat. GGG defines charisma. That said, Ward is probably more skilled but if he is, it's by a hair. Of course, how is "A SIDE" defined? If it means who brings more negotiating leverage to the table, that will be GGG from here on out.


-mortcola :

Big, big GGG fan here. But, when I put the algorithms and the mental highlights together, I see Ward making a monkey of him, GGG being off balance the whole fight and eating hundreds of hard counters until he?s not very dangerous anymore - in fact, more vulnerable than he may have ever been in his life in a boxing ring. The catch weight in this case is transparent. Take the fight at anything up to 168, Gennady. Prove you can deliver against a guy I think is your Kryptonite. Or don?t fight him, not for a few years yet, not till you?ve rode that gravy train of public adulation to a bunch more millions. I want to treat GGG as a legend in the making. But I don?t think he can beat Ward without getting very, very lucky. As wrong an opponent as there can be for him.


-Radam G :

Big, big GGG fan here. But, when I put the algorithms and the mental highlights together, I see Ward making a monkey of him, GGG being off balance the whole fight and eating hundreds of hard counters until he’s not very dangerous anymore - in fact, more vulnerable than he may have ever been in his life in a boxing ring. The catch weight in this case is transparent. Take the fight at anything up to 168, Gennady. Prove you can deliver against a guy I think is your Kryptonite. Or don’t fight him, not for a few years yet, not till you’ve rode that gravy train of public adulation to a bunch more millions. I want to treat GGG as a legend in the making. But I don’t think he can beat Ward without getting very, very lucky. As wrong an opponent as there can be for him.
Wow! Doc M-cola, you killed that one. And I'm riding shotgun with what you have diagnosed. Holla!


-mortcola :

A-side? Economically, GGG. But Ward keeps him from throwing or landing with power from the first bell. Unless GGG can overwhelm Ward Hagler-Hearns style and stun him into a stunned paralysis before Ward gets his rhythm, GGG's tendency to get hit flush and often will result in the commentators yelling like we haven't heard since Tyson got KOd by Douglas as the ref wraps an arm around a loopy and swollen GGG after about the twelfth flush uppercut and hook during which his knees started to shake. Let's not forget, GGG has about 30,000 rounds in the bank, and just as his stock is hitting peak, he's approaching the point at which a brain can't get bounced around anymore before the signs start to flash. I love the dude as a fighter. But the clock's ticking, and Ward is the best sharpshooter in the game (I rank him above Mayweather because he hurts you and doesn't just pot shot while making you miss). I know its not the popular view, but I'm taking bets that in the next five fights - one, if its Ward, something significantly bad starts to show in GGG's performance, whether a modest but definite decline, or an eyes-rolling back knockdown he barely survives - and might come back from to win, but which signals the beginning of the end. Great drama show.


-Yogo :

A serious question for you aficionados, whats going on with Ward? Legal problems seemingly behind him and months since the tuneup, yet, still no big fight in the making. Is he so brilliant that no one wants to fight him? To my novice eyes he looks like one of the greatest ever. Unbeatable even. Serious question.


-amayseng :

A-side? Economically, GGG. But Ward keeps him from throwing or landing with power from the first bell. Unless GGG can overwhelm Ward Hagler-Hearns style and stun him into a stunned paralysis before Ward gets his rhythm, GGG's tendency to get hit flush and often will result in the commentators yelling like we haven't heard since Tyson got KOd by Douglas as the ref wraps an arm around a loopy and swollen GGG after about the twelfth flush uppercut and hook during which his knees started to shake. Let's not forget, GGG has about 30,000 rounds in the bank, and just as his stock is hitting peak, he's approaching the point at which a brain can't get bounced around anymore before the signs start to flash. I love the dude as a fighter. But the clock's ticking, and Ward is the best sharpshooter in the game (I rank him above Mayweather because he hurts you and doesn't just pot shot while making you miss). I know its not the popular view, but I'm taking bets that in the next five fights - one, if its Ward, something significantly bad starts to show in GGG's performance, whether a modest but definite decline, or an eyes-rolling back knockdown he barely survives - and might come back from to win, but which signals the beginning of the end. Great drama show.
I would favor a sharp and active Ward over GGG especially at 168. However, Ward boxed the slow , plodding, predictable and did I say SLOW Forch's ears off but did not beat him to a pulp. Do not see him beating GGG up, yes maybe pot shotting and holding and stalling to a points decision but in no way beating GGG up or wearing him down. It would be a Floyd vs Chino like fight with GGG stalking and being super active with Ward accurate and stalling. One thing is for certain though, Ward has been hurt before, really hurt while GGG walks through right hands and lands a crushing one punch knockout


-mortcola :

I would favor a sharp and active Ward over GGG especially at 168. However, Ward boxed the slow , plodding, predictable and did I say SLOW Forch's ears off but did not beat him to a pulp. Do not see him beating GGG up, yes maybe pot shotting and holding and stalling to a points decision but in no way beating GGG up or wearing him down. It would be a Floyd vs Chino like fight with GGG stalking and being super active with Ward accurate and stalling. One thing is for certain though, Ward has been hurt before, really hurt while GGG walks through right hands and lands a crushing one punch knockout
You could be right. But, number one, Froch has one of the best chins in the game - VERY hard to hurt - and two, Ward may not be big KO puncher, but he both is bigger than anyone GG has been hit by, does stun you - no feather-fist - and does so in a way that keeps you off balance for your own counters. Ward getting hit flush is a rare event, and GGG’s defensive mediocrity will leave him to be exposed to fight altering damage before Ward is. Nothing GGG does in the ring would surprise me, because he is very gifted, but that’s my pick...


-Domenic :

Great debate by some serious knowledgeable folks. Golovkin's defensive mediocrity may very well be his Waterloo. Like Mortcola says, this guy is 30,000 rounds in the books, thus it's a matter of time before he's faced with a hire wire act in a big moment. That day is coming. But I'm taking Golovkin against Ward, in a virtual pick 'em, if it happened tomorrow, but who knows. Golovkin's punching power at 168 may go the way of Pavlik. Murderous puncher at 160; ho-hum anywhere above. If I was advising Golovkin, I'd recommend staying put at the prestigious 160 pound limit, and let guys come to him. Follow Hagler's blueprint.


-amayseng :

You could be right. But, number one, Froch has one of the best chins in the game - VERY hard to hurt - and two, Ward may not be big KO puncher, but he both is bigger than anyone GG has been hit by, does stun you - no feather-fist - and does so in a way that keeps you off balance for your own counters. Ward getting hit flush is a rare event, and GGG’s defensive mediocrity will leave him to be exposed to fight altering damage before Ward is. Nothing GGG does in the ring would surprise me, because he is very gifted, but that’s my pick...
Can't argue with any of that . Though I would say GGG has been more prone to being open defensively for #1 to be more offensive himself and #2 no one out there has put a fear in him. Ward could vary well do that and GGG could tighten up his D and slow down his nonstop work rate to box a little more. The guy can box, how many guys do you see shift punching these days? GGG has skills that he has not had to reach deep to find due to the lack of competition.


-stormcentre :

Good comments by all, especially mortcola. Froch is one of the few guys I have seen fight with so many liabilities and consistently get away with it due to toughness, "power", conditioning, determination, and his experience. He's a really, really, tough guy; easily the second toughest out of the super 6. If Carl hadn't had such a long layoff I think his (possible) fight with 3G may have not been proposed and/or would have been not as easy for 3G as he may have liked; although 3G "probably" would have won. 3G is a power hitter now, that's ingrained into his style and promoted in the Summit gym by Sanchez, and as such I can't see that changing; which I think will hurt him if he faces off with a well conditioned/match practiced Ward. Personally I don't think 3G will want to fight Ward at 168 and give up another one of the advantages 3G usually has when he walks into the ring; weight advantage on the night. As when 3G fights at middleweight, by the time he's rehydrated and in the ring on fight night he's usually around 168; super middleweight. :) :)


-Radam G :

These guys are joint A-$ide pugs, plain and simple. Nowadays scrapping has because full of petty diz, dat and da third. Most of the greatest scraps in the history of pugilism took place with both pugs being A-$ide. With scraps like Ali-Frazier, Hearns-Leonard, and Gatti-Ward, to name a few, there were no B-$ides. jUst A-$ides. In this era of A-$ide and B-$ide scrapping, there have because more punkified [$Ic] farces than great or good fights. Holla!


-deepwater2 :

Triple is the ticket seller. He sells out both coasts in America and has an international following. Ward was the man but he doesn't put fans in the seats or in front of the TV. Triple still has to clean out the middleweights. The man weighed in at 165 lbs with a month to go. Unfortunately ,Ward can't even make the 168 lb limit at this time and has only fought two stiffs in the past few years. Ward needs exposure and getting on the Cotto undercard would help. Ward should focus on his light heavy weight class and sell some tickets.


-Kid Blast :

a sharp and active Ward is something we have yet to see and may never see.