Mayweather Is 49-0,  Won’t Go,  and We Still Don’t Know!

He’s the pound-for-pound boxing champ and beat Andre Berto Saturday, to notch the 49th consecutive win of his stellar career without a single loss.

No, Floyd Mayweather 49-0 (26) won’t retire for good and you can bet the mortgage that he’ll fight at least once more before he hangs the gloves up for good.

And lastly, despite him being undefeated, it’s still up for debate pertaining where he ranks among the greatest pound-for-pound fighters/boxers in history.

With Mayweather hitting the majestic 49-0 at 38 years old, I’ve seen enough and have all the needed data to assess his rank among the greatest fighters in boxing history……and here’s why. Floyd has been fighting as a pro for 19 years and his body of work through those years is pretty much complete. Let’s face it, Floyd won. Regardless of what happens from this point forward, if he were to lose, being that he’s five months shy of turning 39 it couldn’t be held against him. So you might as well view Mayweather as being undefeated even if he were to lose fight number 50. Nothing could happen now that could tarnish his legacy – actually it can only be enhanced.

Think about it, Mayweather has defeated the system. For a majority of his career he’s judiciously picked his opponents and fought every one of them at the perfect time when it worked to his advantage. With the exception of Miguel Cotto, every other outstanding or possible HOF opponent Floyd fought was either on the way up or out, or smaller than him (such as Marquez and Pacquiao). Couple that with his immense skill set, he had the advantage every time out.

Cotto is the only certifiable HOFer or great fighter who he fought and beat that was relatively close to his prime and achieved monumental accomplishments after fighting Mayweather. And even at that, Mayweather fought Miguel after he was thrashed by the allegedly loaded gloves of Antonio Margarito and the blazing rock hands of Manny Pacquiao on the best night of his career. If Floyd lost to Keith Thurman or Gennady Golovkin at age 39, it wouldn’t and shouldn’t be held against him.

Suppose Mayweather fights Thurman in fight number 50 and he lost? It’s not like his detractors could say a-ha, he wasn’t all that because he lost and is no longer undefeated. Regardless of what might happen in a future fight, Mayweather has to be judged as an undefeated fighter, which was his goal all along. Yes, I believe there are reasons that the record is manufactured, but, he is still undefeated….

I say, the data is in and you can now rank Floyd accordingly. He’s bulletproof against a future defeat.

The title of this article cites three things, Mayweather’s record, the fact that he will fight again despite retiring this past Saturday night after beating Andre Berto, and lastly, where does he ranks historically.

Let me address Floyd’s retirement. It’s a red herring. Mayweather will fight again because 50-0 is much easier to remember and cite than 49-0. Think about some of sports’ most revered numbers. Joe Dimaggio’s 56-game hit streak, Secretariat’s still-record time of 2:24 at the 1973 Belmont, the 1972 Miami Dolphins going 17-0, culminating with a win in Super Bowl VII, Wilt Chamberlain scoring 100 points in an NBA game, Sugar Ray Robinson going 128-1-2 before losing to Randy Turpin, Archie Moore’s record 141 knockouts and Rocky Marciano retiring for good at 49-0. You better believe Mayweather wants his own number and will not share the 49-0 mark with Marciano for more than eight or nine months. If you believe nothing else that’s been said in this space regarding Floyd Mayweather, you can take it to the bank that “Money” is going to fight once more before hanging his gloves up for good.

In regards to where Mayweather ranks historically, that’s very subjective especially when it comes to ranking fighters, make that tenfold regarding Floyd. He has a lot of impressive names on his record like Genaro Hernandez, Diego Corrales, Jesus Chavez, Jose Luis Castillo, Arturo Gatti, Zab Judah, Oscar De La Hoya, Juan Manuel Marquez, Shane Mosley, Miguel Cotto, Saul Alvarez and Manny Pacquiao. Yes, the names look impressive, but of the lot perhaps four were truly great fighters, Marquez, Mosley, Cotto and Pacquiao. Marquez was an overfed old featherweight, Mosley and Pacquiao were on their way out and only Cotto was a live fighter when Floyd fought the four of them. Based on Mayweather’s record as a welterweight, the weight in which he fought the biggest name opponents of his career, I’m not blown away at all. In those four bouts he scored one knockdown against Marquez, the smallest fighter of the group. Mosley, who was on a severe decline, almost put him in press row with one punch, Cotto pushed him real good and Pacquiao had a torn rotator cuff when they fought.

As terrific as Mayweather is/was fundamentally and defensively, I don’t see one bit of evidence to convince me that he could’ve bettered Sugar Ray Robinson, Kid Gavilan, Emile Griffith, Luis Rodriguez, Sugar Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns or Roberto Duran fighting as welterweights. I don’t care that he’s undefeated, if every great just mentioned fought every opponent that Mayweather did the night Floyd fought them, they’d retire 49-0 too. Just like if Muhammad Ali or George Foreman fought all 49 of Marciano’s opponents the night Rocky fought them, Muhammad and George would’ve retired 49-0 also.

So in closing, if you’re going to rank Mayweather, the data (49-0) is in and a loss at age 39 can’t count against him. Yes, he will fight again and perhaps enhance his legacy if he beat Golovkin in a non-catch weight bout. And as far as ranking him, I’m comfortable saying 49-0 and we still don’t know for certain how truly great he was….

Yes, he was a great fighter/boxer, but not nearly one of the greatest of the greats and “TBE” should be the moniker for the best evader rather than the best ever!

Frank Lotierzo can be contacted at GlovedFist@Gmail.com

Photo Credit: Idris Erba/Mayweather Promotions

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COMMENTS

-Coxs Corner :

Ray Leonard would have went 49-0 against Floyd Mayweathers competition but Floyd Mayweather would not have been undefeated against Ray Leonards competition on the night Ray fought them. The End.


-Absy71 :

Yep , yawn, rehash rehash, I'm reminded of the Pokemon , he could have, he could have , he could have, u no what HE WAS


-Gabrielito :

Good one Frank. Not arguing any single point, except to say that one of the reasons Floyd is expected to win prohibitively , even against younger and bigger fighters, is because of his professionalism. Floyd has set the bar very high for himself and to his credit he pays the price. That said, Mayweather's personality comes off as shallow, unfunny, uninteresting and his fighting style lacks the killer instinct that fighters he ranks himself ahead of possessed. And the whole ducking Margarito and Williams thing. He may well fight on until he loses, then have a George Foreman-like 2nd career as a lovable rehabilitated bad guy who learned humility.


-SouthPawFlo :

When you talk about the "legacy" of a fighter that's a stuff subject because it's all based on opinions and "shoulda, coulda, woulda's" and it's hard to compare era's when you start bringing up ATG LIST.. The writer of this post has already tipped his hand about his stance on Mayweather as he was calling for a "boycott" of his fight less than a week ago.. But certain things are hard to deny when it comes to a fighter's career.. I think Ray Leonard was more talented than Floyd and definitely more of a risk taker, but Floyd from ages 35-38 carried his Skillset way better, there's no way in hell anyone would say Hector Camacho would've "retired" money may, but on the same token how would May have done vs Hagler, Hearns and Duran?? Floyd is a 5 division world champion and that's a pretty short list of athletes who's accomplished that, and an Olympic medalist and 26-0 in title fights as well as a reigning and defending champion for 18yrs, and he's defeated more current or former world champions than anyone in boxing history... One can argue that he caught a lot of guys outta there "prime" but Floyd has been outta his "prime" since the Arturo Gatti Mauling in my opinion and yet he seems to have mastered the game even more since then.. I also think Pernell Whitaker was just as defensively gifted (if not more) than Floyd but his offensive accuracy wasn't as sharp as Mayweather, and we all know Ali was more charmastic than Floyd, but can you imagine the public outcry if Floyd signed up for a fight with a guy with only 7 pro-fights like Ali did with Spinks.. In closing when talking legacy, I think there are ways to appoint or discredit a lot of great fighters to the upper echelon of pugilist it's all just a matter of perception and preference....


-stormcentre :

There are so many obvious issue with this hate/agenda piece that it's going to better fun to let most of it slide for a while, see how many Queens jump in without scrutiny and fact-checking, and then point out all the issues. For now lets just look at the extent Frank went with his wording in just one paragraph to make sure he could rubbish Floyd. ""Cotto is the only certifiable HOFer or great fighter who he fought and beat that was relatively close to his prime and achieved monumental accomplishments after fighting Mayweather. And even at that, Mayweather fought Miguel after he was thrashed by the allegedly loaded gloves of Antonio Margarito and the blazing rock hands of Manny Pacquiao on the best night of his career. If Floyd lost to Keith Thurman or Gennady Golovkin at age 39, it wouldn't and shouldn't be held against him"." With all due respect; most fighters and boxers in the game don't ever achieve monumental achievements anyway. Let alone after fighting really great fighters like Pac and Floyd. A statement, paragraph, and sentence like this is one - one that's simply written to ensure it appears not only both true and rubbishing - but also one that will (if one does not look too closely and think) also provide the appearance of possessing some substance (when in fact it doesn't really) could be referred to as a "catch all trap posing as legitimacy". Such scripting deceptions and mechanisms load up and sugar coat the paragraph, provide mock appearances of reliability, and hopefully - if that all goes to plan (PS: it usually works with FloydHate and PacQueen readers) - lull readers into lowering their guards; making them more susceptible to any subsequent claims that may otherwise have not passed the litmus test. What normally follows is akin to puppy love PacHysteria, and then - eventually/ultimately - denial that one was so easily marketed to, fooled, and misled. One - if he was evenhanded and interested in writing with substance - could easily turn Frank's overall negative inferences/overtones right on it's head, and use the very same sentence to say, that most fighters whom fought Floyd or Pac, afterwards, were destroyed, and as such there are very few certifiable HOFer's or great fighters who they fought and beat that later went on to achieve monumental accomplishments after fighting Mayweather and Pacquaio. See, it applies in lots of ways. Just that Frank only likes it when it works against Floyd; not Pac. Equally so, looking at the other section of Frank's above-mentioned paragraph, we have all these considerations left out . . . . ""And even at that, Mayweather
(and Pacquaio) fought Miguel after he was thrashed by the allegedly loaded gloves of Antonio Margarito and the blazing (catch-weight and PED fuelled/assisted) rock hands of Manny Pacquiao on the best night of his career." " Then, next, still in the same paragraph, we have the remarkable and extremely suspicious and sentence/self justifying claim . . . . ""If Floyd lost to Keith Thurman or Gennady Golovkin at age 39, it wouldn't and shouldn't be held against him"" Really Frank? It wouldn't be held against him? If not then how come, already, there is no substance to most of the claims that are being levelled against Floyd, and if there is there is almost always an equally concerning/negative issue related to Pac that's being ignored; as your above sentences/claims show? This stuff is as laughable as it is an agenda piece. Still, it should be lapped up by both the; A) "Uncontrolled neo-NostRADAMazz-PacQueen like Nazi tribalism". B) "PacQueenLossExcuse". Movements. Which is explained here . . . .
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?22532-Hauser-Fires-At-USADA-and-Floyd-USADA-Then-Floyd-Respond&p=87807&viewfull=1#post87807 Hmm . . . I wonder, how many certifiable HOFer or great fighters that Pacquaio, Cotto, Marquez, Hopkins, or Golovkin have fought and beat - that were relatively close to their prime and (in the case of Pac and his opponents) not catch-weight or PED disadvantaged - that went on and achieved monumental accomplishments after fighting them? See, the statement is written to be used such that (without even the slightest scrutiny) it provides the appearance of justifying itself and also the purpose for what it (and it's associated sentences) both claims, and is ultimately intended to applied to. Out of all the "interesting" things that both Pac and Floyd have been involved in, the only truly unique thing I think I have seen is that *Pac is the first fighter to ever have his trainer and promoter effectively admit he was on the PEDs. Now, there's a unique sentence for you Frank. One that needs no clever and deceptive mechanisms to front-end load and sugar coat it to provide mock appearances of reliability. It's a sentence that so real and true that it stands on its own 2 legs and scares most with the thought that it has the potential to be meaningfully acknowledged, proven and accepted it; let alone accurately written about it. But, of course, it's much easier to look the other way, tailor make articles that will appeal to a certain group, and think of how popular it is to sully a recent promotion and rubbish the guy that embarrassed Pacquaio; isn't it? Frank, I bet you don't want to explore the above *lead, and I bet you can't write an article that details - with fighting technique examples - how Ali possesses more skills than Floyd? I am not saying Floyd is the best ever and that he hasn't managed risks, but, geez, some of you cats are so keen to rubbish Floyd and rain on his parade that (as you look the other way with respect to Pac's indiscretions) you can't even write stuff that possesses substance and credibility. I think it's fair to criticise, as someone is probably paying you for this. Please, let's get Avila, Fernandez and some of the other writers back that check their work, care about evenhandedness, don't run from the big issues, and release work that is far less agenda driven. This guy sounds like Floyd locked him out of a press conference. :) :) :)


-stormcentre :

There are so many obvious issue with this hate/agenda piece that it's going to better fun to let most of it slide for a while, see how many Queens jump in without scrutiny and fact-checking, and then point out all the issues. For now lets just look at the extent Frank went with his wording in just one paragraph to make sure he could rubbish Floyd. ""Cotto is the only certifiable HOFer or great fighter who he fought and beat that was relatively close to his prime and achieved monumental accomplishments after fighting Mayweather. And even at that, Mayweather fought Miguel after he was thrashed by the allegedly loaded gloves of Antonio Margarito and the blazing rock hands of Manny Pacquiao on the best night of his career. If Floyd lost to Keith Thurman or Gennady Golovkin at age 39, it wouldn't and shouldn't be held against him"." With all due respect; most fighters and boxers in the game don't ever achieve monumental achievements anyway. Let alone after fighting really great fighters like Pac and Floyd. A statement, paragraph, and sentence like this is one - one that's simply written to ensure it appears not only both true and rubbishing - but also one that will (if one does not look too closely and think) also provide the appearance of possessing some substance (when in fact it doesn't really) could be referred to as a "catch all trap posing as legitimacy". Such scripting deceptions and mechanisms load up and sugar coat the paragraph, provide mock appearances of reliability, and hopefully - if that all goes to plan (PS: it usually works with FloydHate and PacQueen readers) - lull readers into lowering their guards; making them more susceptible to any subsequent claims that may otherwise have not passed the litmus test. What normally follows is akin to puppy love PacHysteria, and then - eventually/ultimately - denial that one was so easily marketed to, fooled, and misled. One - if he was evenhanded and interested in writing with substance - could easily turn Frank's overall negative inferences/overtones right on it's head, and use the very same sentence to say, that most fighters whom fought Floyd or Pac, afterwards, were destroyed, and as such there are very few certifiable HOFer's or great fighters who they fought and beat that later went on to achieve monumental accomplishments after fighting Mayweather and Pacquaio. See, it applies in lots of ways. Just that Frank only likes it when it works against Floyd; not Pac. Equally so, looking at the other section of Frank's above-mentioned paragraph, we have all these considerations left out . . . . ""And even at that, Mayweather
(and Pacquaio) fought Miguel after he was thrashed by the allegedly loaded gloves of Antonio Margarito and the blazing
(catch-weight and PED fuelled/assisted) rock hands of Manny Pacquiao on the best night of his career." " Then, next, still in the same paragraph, we have the remarkable and extremely suspicious and sentence/self justifying claim . . . . ""If Floyd lost to Keith Thurman or Gennady Golovkin at age 39, it wouldn't and shouldn't be held against him"" Really Frank? It wouldn't be held against him? If not then how come, already, there is no substance to most of the claims that are being levelled against Floyd, and if there is there is almost always an equally concerning/negative issue related to Pac that's being ignored; as your above sentences/claims show? This stuff is as laughable as it is an agenda piece. Still, it should be lapped up by both the; A) "Uncontrolled neo-NostRADAMazz-PacQueen like Nazi tribalism". B) "PacQueenLossExcuse". Movements. Which is explained here . . . .
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?22532-Hauser-Fires-At-USADA-and-Floyd-USADA-Then-Floyd-Respond&p=87841&viewfull=1#post87841 Hmm . . . I wonder, how many certifiable HOFer or great fighters that Pacquaio, Cotto, Marquez, Hopkins, or Golovkin have fought and beat - that were relatively close to their prime and (in the case of Pac and his opponents) not catch-weight or PED disadvantaged - that went on and achieved monumental accomplishments after fighting them? See, the statement is written to be used such that (without even the slightest scrutiny) it provides the appearance of justifying itself and also the purpose for what it (and it's associated sentences) both claims, and is ultimately intended to applied to. Out of all the "interesting" things that both Pac and Floyd have been involved in, the only truly unique thing I think I have seen is that *Pac is the first fighter to ever have his trainer and promoter effectively admit he was on the PEDs. Now, there's a unique sentence for you Frank. One that needs no clever and deceptive mechanisms to front-end load and sugar coat it to provide mock appearances of reliability. It's a sentence that so real and true that it stands on its own 2 legs and scares most with the thought that it has the potential to be meaningfully acknowledged, proven and accepted it; let alone accurately written about it. But, of course, it's much easier to look the other way, tailor make articles that will appeal to a certain group, and think of how popular it is to sully a recent promotion and rubbish the guy that embarrassed Pacquaio; isn't it? Frank, I bet you don't want to explore the above *lead, and I bet you can't write an article that details - with fighting technique examples - how Ali possesses more skills than Floyd? I am not saying Floyd is the best ever and that he hasn't managed risks, but, geez, some of you cats are so keen to rubbish Floyd and rain on his parade that (as you look the other way with respect to Pac's indiscretions) you can't even write stuff that possesses substance and credibility. I think it's fair to criticise, as someone is probably paying you for this. Please, let's get Avila, Fernandez and some of the other writers back that check their work, care about evenhandedness, don't run from the big issues, and release work that is far less agenda driven. This guy sounds like Floyd locked him out of a press conference, and as such he's determined to overlook facts and principles of good journalism, in order to trample on Floyd's legacy in order to get even. :) :) :)


-Radam G :

When you talk about the "legacy" of a fighter that's a stuff subject because it's all based on opinions and "shoulda, coulda, woulda's" and it's hard to compare era's when you start bringing up ATG LIST.. The writer of this post has already tipped his hand about his stance on Mayweather as he was calling for a "boycott" of his fight less than a week ago.. But certain things are hard to deny when it comes to a fighter's career.. I think Ray Leonard was more talented than Floyd and definitely more of a risk taker, but Floyd from ages 35-38 carried his Skillset way better, there's no way in hell anyone would say Hector Camacho would've "retired" money may, but on the same token how would May have done vs Hagler, Hearns and Duran?? Floyd is a 5 division world champion and that's a pretty short list of athletes who's accomplished that, and an Olympic medalist and 26-0 in title fights as well as a reigning and defending champion for 18yrs, and he's defeated more current or former world champions than anyone in boxing history... One can argue that he caught a lot of guys outta there "prime" but Floyd has been outta his "prime" since the Arturo Gatti Mauling in my opinion and yet he seems to have mastered the game even more since then.. I also think Pernell Whitaker was just as defensively gifted (if not more) than Floyd but his offensive accuracy wasn't as sharp as Mayweather, and we all know Ali was more charmastic than Floyd, but can you imagine the public outcry if Floyd signed up for a fight with a guy with only 7 pro-fights like Ali did with Spinks.. In closing when talking legacy, I think there are ways to appoint or discredit a lot of great fighters to the upper echelon of pugilist it's all just a matter of perception and preference....
Nice writing, but you have to deal with the actuality of the reality. Has Lil Floyd ever been undisputed champ in any division? NO! And didn't he cherry pick each champ of the division's which he won titles in? YUP! That is it from me. I'm not going on a crusade of putting out da real real of Money May's optical illusions and tricks of the trade to fans, fanfaronades and fan boys and girls. He has none of the true experts or aficionados fooled. The late, great Sugar Ray Robinson's legacy didn't get away with ducking the "Black Murder Row," Money May's legacy of bulljiving and cherry picking and cheating with IVs and vampire facials won't get away either. Forensic history and stored roids-and-PEDs tests of him are going to exposed him big time as a full-of-dat-$yet cheat. Holla!


-brownsugar :

Good points.... I think the most amusing line I read today,.... and trust me, there are many amusing entries in your post Storm, Is Mayweather himself asking why so many would be pundits, websites and boxing enthusiasts are trying to talk him up,... get him back into the ring if he was so boring. Made me laugh out loud. HBO even wants him back.... hilarious.


-Radam G :

BTW, Lil Floyd has carried his cunning con-set -- not scrapping skill set -- better at "35-38" years old than of any other pug in history. He makes Jack Johnson and Sugar Ray Robinson look like charity cases of bulljiving and fronting. Money May has been smart with prizepugging. But not with great scrapping. Holla!


-amayseng :

Good points.... I think the most amusing line I read today,.... and trust me, there are many amusing entries in your post Storm, Is Mayweather himself asking why so many would be pundits, websites and boxing enthusiasts are trying to talk him up,... get him back into the ring if he was so boring. Made me laugh out loud. HBO even wants him back.... hilarious.
He should come back for #50 against Khan. #1 khan has a good following and #2 Floyd will get a highlight KO as a result of khans chin and Floyds sharpshooting.


-stormcentre :

Good points.... I think the most amusing line I read today,.... and trust me, there are many amusing entries in your post Storm, Is Mayweather himself asking why so many would be pundits, websites and boxing enthusiasts are trying to talk him up,... get him back into the ring if he was so boring. Made me laugh out loud. HBO even wants him back.... hilarious.
Cheers BS. Yes, I have noticed the last 2, maybe, 4 of Frank's pieces seem to have been extremely agenda driven. Almost as if he's more interested in sullying Floyd's reputation and catering to a certain FloydHatePacQueen demographic; rather than adhering to the usual standard of writing that other writers/journalists (and Frank) can (sometimes) set. Agree; if Floyd is so unpopular, so boring, and so boycott worthy, then it's amazing how many would be pundits, websites, writers, Queens, and boxing enthusiasts; 1) Watched his Berto fight. 2) Are trying to talk him up, and get him back into the ring. Made me laugh too. Not as much as the hypocrisy in post #7 and #9 though. :) :) :)


-stormcentre :

Nice writing, but you have to deal with the actuality of the reality. Has Lil Floyd ever been undisputed champ in any division? NO! And didn't he cherry pick each champ of the division's which he won titles in? YUP! That is it from me. I'm not going on a crusade of putting out da real real of Money May's optical illusions and tricks of the trade to fans, fanfaronades and fan boys and girls. He has none of the true experts or aficionados fooled. The late, great Sugar Ray Robinson's legacy didn't get away with ducking the "Black Murder Row," Money May's legacy of bulljiving and cherry picking and cheating with IVs and vampire facials won't get away either. Forensic history and stored roids-and-PEDs tests of him are going to exposed him big time as a full-of-dat-$yet cheat. Holla!
Retrograde CIR testing for both PacJuice and PEDweather then eh PacQueen? You can even; A) Wave a magic wand embedded with donkey-tail hairs over Pac's previous samples, and also Hee Haw "Abra-Cadabra" before each carbon isotopes test begins. B) Spit and curse on Floyd's samples. To influence the outcome. :) :) :)


-brownsugar :

He should come back for #50 against Khan. #1 khan has a good following and #2 Floyd will get a highlight KO as a result of khans chin and Floyds sharpshooting.
Floyd can stay retired or cast the dice once again. His choice. Any additional accolades are mere icing on the cake. I'm hoping I can see a new generation of fighters who can represent the USA like they did in 76. Floyd was one of the last who knew the level of dedication it takes to succeed. I love GGG and Kovalev, but it would be really special to see some native talent who can display the same level of dedication. I'm ready to see what the future and the rest of the boxing community can bring. Ward vs GGG or Kovalev, GGG vs Quillin, Wilder vs Provodnikov, Joshua vs Klits, Charo vs Canelo, Andrade vs GGG, Charo or Quillin, Steven vs Kovalev or Bieterbiev.....and i haven't even gotten room for the lighter weights. I hope to see Floyd at ringside announcing the occassional fight, sharing his fitness and strategy secrets or in someone elses corner. He can retire with full honors as far as I'm concerned.


-Kid Blast :

"This guy sounds like Floyd locked him out of a press conference, and as such he's determined to overlook facts and principles of good journalism, in order to trample on Floyd's legacy in order to get even." I will use this line in an article I am writing--con permiso?.


-brownsugar :

Cheers BS. Yes, I have noticed the last 2, maybe, 4 of Frank's pieces seem to have been extremely agenda driven. Almost as if he's more interested in sullying Floyd's reputation and catering to a certain FloydHatePacQueen demographic; rather than adhering to the usual standard of writing that other writers/journalists (and Frank) can (sometimes) set. Agree; if Floyd is so unpopular, so boring, and so boycott worthy, then it's amazing how many would be pundits, websites, writers, Queens, and boxing enthusiasts; 1) Watched his Berto fight. 2) Are trying to talk him up, and get him back into the ring. Made me laugh too. Not as much as the hypocrisy in post #7 and #9 though. :) :) :)
its funny you mentioned that Storm, I actually put that guy on ignore about a month ago. I have no more tolerance for the dumb stuff, or useless clutter. Both FL and TH can be powerfully effective writers when they want to, but attempting to dump on Floyd for a myriad of personal gripes, pet peeves or possible hurt ego's is a bad look for them both.


-stormcentre :

its funny you mentioned that Storm, I actually put that guy on ignore about a month ago. I have no more tolerance for the dumb stuff, or useless clutter. Both FL and TH can be powerfully effective writers when they want to, but attempting to dump on Floyd for a myriad of personal gripes, pet peeves or possible hurt ego's is a bad look for them both.
Agreed. Admission; I don't think I could put the witchdoctor on ignore BS. I am too addicted to reading and laughing at "NostRADAazz of the ages" and not only how deluded he is - but also how, even the total inability to explain - even his own claims that are not the ones he authors that are way over the top and extreme - has no chance of morphing into the logical thought processes of; 1) ""Gee, wonder if this means I am exposed, busted and a pretender"". 2) ""Gee, wonder if this is why I have had years and years of senseless personal squabbles here; cause I pretend and not only treat it like fact - but then attack others that don't share my views in ways I am completely unable to explain/substantiates"". The mental capacity of a drunken Benny Hill blinking in synchronicity with his tongue involuntarily poking in/out, and/or "Ali G on E" (my rhyming term :) ) has absolutely nothing on this guy. Moving on . . . . Lotierzo and particularly Hauser can be effective writers; agreed. But their current form is actually as bad as that they're trying to portray Floyd as. I am actually surprised it got past the editing desk. It certainly wouldn't mine. I can't help but think - due to certain elements that consistently fail to scrutinize - Lotierzo and Hauser feel this is the perfect place to do that. Interesting it is that these guys probably (I don't know whether Lotierzo was locked out too) didn't get invited to the MayPac pressers, and are therefore using this means as a way to (without disclosure) express/address grievances. :)


-Radam G :

its funny you mentioned that Storm, I actually put that guy on ignore about a month ago. I have no more tolerance for the dumb stuff, or useless clutter. Both FL and TH can be powerfully effective writers when they want to, but attempting to dump on Floyd for a myriad of personal gripes, pet peeves or possible hurt ego's is a bad look for them both.
And you should have _____ _______. You are old as heck but have the lying, making up bullsyet mind of a ratchet ___ ____ conning child of about about 10. You are quite amazing with your phoniness. But you are no fool to challenge someone who has your number and your "international legal hold" past for doing what most of Fam Mayweather believe is da norm. Don't start none. And there will be none. My Columbus O connection and Navy Connecton have given me da 4-1-1. I'm a good guy. And I don't troll nobody [sic]. Or make up syet on da fly. You could not hurt my ego if you tried harder. GTFOH, arrogrant poser. I'm real! Da REAL DEAL. I have not let life pass me by. And become bitter. And need to lie . And use cyberspace for dimwitted latent ethnic attacks. You were in the P-Islands, sailor boy! Get over it. And grow up, DUDE! Act your age, not your _______! That is what Columbus Joseph Jones says. You are still pi$$ed off about your lie of Cuban Willie Rigo asking to spar with twice-his-size Pacquiao. Get over it, gramps! Enjoy life. You don't ever know when the grim reaper is going to come knocking at your door. Holla!


-stormcentre :

30 thousand times per second cinnamon (extremities relaxation) circulation . . . . . . Please see above post #16; including points 1 & 2. I think (with clockwork like timing) they apply here.
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?20462-Tally-List-Of-Un-Substantiated-Posts&p=79438&viewfull=1#post79438 Finally, and perhaps unsurprisingly - as you blurted out your last post proving mine of #16 - you forgot one important fact; BrownSugar actually provided evidence that Roach didn't want to give Pac the kind of counterpunching and/or other work that Rigondeax presented. Of course, if you can strain yourself to substantiate anything meaningful and reliable (not hot air from a donkey's rear end) to the opposite we're happy to hear it. Now, I believe the combination of this post with all posts of yours to which I refer - including your post #17 - confirms what was written, called . . . . "A brief history of TSS's forum's "uncontrolled PacQueenLossExcuseMovement" and its special breed of "neo-NostRADAMazz like Nazi tribalism". Over here in this thread . . . .
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?22532-Hauser-Fires-At-USADA-and-Floyd-USADA-Then-Floyd-Respond. Thank you for - once again - proving (with clockwork like timing) how rampant PacQueening is for some. Seriously, I love you for this. It's so funny that my midsection is worked overtime with laughter to the extent that I don't need to do as many sit-ups each night to get the same effect. Which brings me to my next question, if you can't you ask Pac which PED work best for stomach muscles, can you please ""witchdoctor prescribe"" a "magic potion" for me. Hint: I may be getting arthritis soon, I spend a lot of time in moonlight, and I also need more hair.
StormCentre. :) :)


-stormcentre :

30 thousand times per second cinnamon (extremities relaxation) circulation . . . . . . Please see above post #16; including points 1 & 2. I think (with clockwork like timing) they apply here.
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?20462-Tally-List-Of-Un-Substantiated-Posts&p=79438&viewfull=1#post79438 Finally, and perhaps unsurprisingly - as you blurted out your last post proving mine of #16 - you forgot one important fact; BrownSugar actually provided evidence that Roach didn't want to give Pac the kind of counterpunching and/or other work that Rigondeax presented. Of course, if you can strain yourself to substantiate anything meaningful and reliable (not hot air from a donkey's rear end) to the opposite we're happy to hear it. Now, I believe the combination of this post with all posts of yours to which I refer - including your post #17 - confirms what was written, called . . . . "A brief history of TSS's forum's "uncontrolled PacQueenLossExcuseMovement" and its special breed of "neo-NostRADAMazz like Nazi tribalism". Over here in this thread . . . .
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?22532-Hauser-Fires-At-USADA-and-Floyd-USADA-Then-Floyd-Respond. Thank you for - once again - proving (with clockwork like timing) how rampant PacQueening is for some. Seriously, I love you for this. It's so funny that my midsection is worked overtime with laughter to the extent that I don't need to do as many sit-ups each night to get the same effect. Which brings me to my next question, if you can't you ask Pac which PED work best for stomach muscles, can you please ""witchdoctor prescribe"" a "magic potion" for me. Hint: I may be getting arthritis soon, I spend a lot of time in moonlight, and I also need more hair.
StormCentre. :) :)


-Radam G :

It is good that your _____ ____ thin-skinned arse learned how to use the ignore button. Because you are full of fiction and friction trying to overpower people with your bulljive. To each his own, dude! And like I said: Don't start none, and there will be none. Your bromance ______ can tell you that. "FL and TH" have no gripe with lil Floyd. They are just reporting the facts like they would about any pug. But you cannot handle truths about lil Floyd because you live your life through him that you wasted away in your youth. Get over it! F-Lo and T-Ha are the finest boksing scribes around. And they are not for sell like USADA Tyrone Tygart [name may be misspelled] is. He is a terrible POS. As I said from the jump. And his arse is on his way out of boxing. The WBC is signing a contract with VADA to test all pugs that fight under the WBC jurisdiction. So you can bet that Money May is definitely giving up his WBC title. Dat bytch is riding -- I mean fighting -- full of dat syet. BTW! Don't you find it amazing that the only times that tsAH'$ pugs have not been found dirty were when USADA was testing them? But when VADA and the various commissions -- even the corrupted NSAC and the Texans -- were testing them more than half of them came up dirty. And tsAH got crooked doctors to give "Low T" alibis for them. Holla!


-stormcentre :

Oh, oh . . . looks like a Queen is about to cry. Usually happens when they're faced with what they give out, and of course some good old home facts and truths. BTW, how's that magic option of mine that I asked for going? Still love ya for making me laugh NostRADAMazz. Storm. :) :) :) PS: I always thought Springs Toledo was who you always ran to and (aside from celebrities) pretended to know.


-stormcentre :

Oh, oh . . . looks like a Queen is about to cry. Usually happens when they're faced with what they give out, and of course some good old home facts and truths. BTW, how's that magic option of mine that I asked for going? Still love ya for making me laugh NostRADAMazz.
Storm. :) :) :) PS: I always thought Springs Toledo was who you always ran to and (aside from celebrities) pretended to know.


-midnight60425 :

The great thing would be if he stayed gone. Give writers something else to write about.


-brownsugar :

Agreed. Admission; I don't think I could put the witchdoctor on ignore BS. I am too addicted to reading and laughing at "NostRADAazz of the ages" and not only how deluded he is - but also how, even the total inability to explain - even his own claims that are not the ones he authors that are way over the top and extreme - has no chance of morphing into the logical thought processes of; 1) ""Gee, wonder if this means I am exposed, busted and a pretender"". 2) ""Gee, wonder if this is why I have had years and years of senseless personal squabbles here; cause I pretend and not only treat it like fact - but then attack others that don't share my views in ways I am completely unable to explain/substantiates"". The mental capacity of a drunken Benny Hill blinking in synchronicity with his tongue involuntarily poking in/out, and/or "Ali G on E" (my rhyming term :) ) has absolutely nothing on this guy. Moving on . . . . Lotierzo and particularly Hauser can be effective writers; agreed. But their current form is actually as bad as that they're trying to portray Floyd as. I am actually surprised it got past the editing desk. It certainly wouldn't mine. I can't help but think - due to certain elements that consistently fail to scrutinize - Lotierzo and Hauser feel this is the perfect place to do that. Interesting it is that these guys probably (I don't know whether Lotierzo was locked out too) didn't get invited to the MayPac pressers, and are therefore using this means as a way to (without disclosure) express/address grievances. :)
I don't blame you Storm, RG is a soft and predictable target. I think a lot of writers have reduced themselves to seeking the kind of easy "hits" that come with taking bodacious swipes at Floyd, like those which have regular outlets on YouTube tube and Boxing 24,... its like a cottage industry has propagated a legion of lonely people who have nothing to do but criticize Floyd and have accepted unpaid assignments full time. I guess everyone needs a purpose in life. Floyd has spawned a whole industry of reactionary anti-fans who are going to miss Floyd dearly when he's gone. Lol... maybe they can switch to following Donald Trump, and either support or oppose his "lets build a wall" campaign.


-Radam G :

I don't blame you Storm, RG is a soft and predictable target. I think a lot of writers have reduced themselves to seeking the kind of easy "hits" that come with taking bodacious swipes at Floyd, like those which have regular outlets on YouTube tube and Boxing 24,... its like a cottage industry has propagated a legion of lonely people who have nothing to do but criticize Floyd and have accepted unpaid assignments full time. I guess everyone needs a purpose in life. Floyd has spawned a whole industry of reactionary anti-fans who are going to miss Floyd dearly when he's gone. Lol... maybe they can switch to following Donald Trump, and either support or oppose his "lets build a wall" campaign.
And I will be here when both of you ____ ______s are long gone. You don't run this Universe. Grow up! Life passed you by. And you cannot get it back trolling and posing in cyberspace. CTFU! Chillax! Nobody is more predictable than dudes that comes to somebody's country and do violence to the gals and gays. And is PROTECTED on LEGAL HOLD! Now you're hating everything Pinoy. GOI! Violence on women is punkified [sic]. At least Money May was disciplined and protected enough to make a mint and achieve many of his dreams. You were cast out. Condemned! Hehe! Meantime, back to boksing. Holla at my boy, Pete Seward. He is in town, I heard. And you know that my boy, Jerry Page is coming to the P-Islands to coach and train, not hate and rape. Great guys Pete and Jerry are. You are not too old to learn from them. Holla!


-Radam G :

Wow! Now you _____ ____s are so delusional and believing in your own syet that you are now feeling entitled to start fantasies about TSS journalists. You could not carry spit buckets for F-Lo and T-Ha. And F-Lo was a real fighter. Not a poser hiding behind a keyboard staging war. You don't want to meet him in dat squared jungle. Dude can fight and then write. Wow! It is a darn shame that old, grow-@$$ dudes lose their minds just because a ratchet pug nearly half their age is exposed by sharp-eyed journalists who have been a part of da game for nearly 50 years. They know how da game flow. And they have incredible, reliable sources. They don't have to make up syet, or act like juveniles who are angry because they were not invited to a birthday party. Holla!


-stormcentre :

I don't blame you Storm, RG is a soft and predictable target. I think a lot of writers have reduced themselves to seeking the kind of easy "hits" that come with taking bodacious swipes at Floyd, like those which have regular outlets on YouTube tube and Boxing 24,... its like a cottage industry has propagated a legion of lonely people who have nothing to do but criticize Floyd and have accepted unpaid assignments full time. I guess everyone needs a purpose in life. Floyd has spawned a whole industry of reactionary anti-fans who are going to miss Floyd dearly when he's gone. Lol... maybe they can switch to following Donald Trump, and either support or oppose his "lets build a wall" campaign.
Oh, oh, looks like a Queen - or princess - has finally gnawed her chastity belt belt off, and is now crying from the bytch-slapping she asked for. You're probably right, about the soft and predictable. Years ago (as an amateur) I went to a pretty tough, but carelessly run, boxing gym in Romania. There were about 3 guys there that had blood clots (brain) from sparring, and the gym owner still seemed to not mind unsupervised sparring taking place. I remember it well from the overall attitude of the fighters there (do or die), and of course the hostility when the team I was with arrived. Aside from the great work you got there, as every spar was a serious fight; I have no idea how this guy (gym owner) and his gym managed to get on the radar of the (I think it was called back then) European amateur boxing federation. As aside from the above-mentioned guys with blood clots there were also a few others that had clearly sparred/fought too long; testimony to how the gym owner ran the gym. So, where am I going with this? Well, when it was time for me to jump in I was actually a little scared - as the whole setting was like a fight more than a serious spar - and that changed the dynamics of the spar, as I am sure you could imagine. Like all the regular gym attendees that sparred someone from our team, they just rushed out and attacked like you had insulted their mother and stolen from their father. It was radical - kind of like a Ricardo Mayorga for everyone!! Nice. So, I remember once things settled and you got familiar with their radical style and working defence to give you the space to think, the problem was then how much to lay into them for being so disrespectful? And, with a few goons with blood clots and most of their brain cells already damaged as a reminder of what can happen if one pushes too hard, peppered around the ringside cheering their gym on; there was reason to hesitate. Last thing you want to do is smack someone so hard that you knock what little sense and brain cells there is left out - even if they deserve it. Here, with our NostRADAMass of the ages, that is not a problem. As I doubt there is many fully functional cells left to damage. :) But, also, oh my god, I have not ever seen delusion and moronic behaviour on this scale (both depth and breadth) before. Not where the obvious inability to mentally function and/or explain hasn't at some point slowed them down. It's a beautiful example of chaotic idiocy and juvenile tribalism that I feel must be exploited for humour, if for no other reason than to balance up the fact/fiction scales as mentioned here.
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?22532-Hauser-Fires-At-USADA-and-Floyd-USADA-Then-Floyd-Respond&p=87807&viewfull=1#post87807
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?20462-Tally-List-Of-Un-Substantiated-Posts&p=79438&viewfull=1#post79438 And, finally, yes you're right about how some writers are taking easy swipes at Floyd. Sure, if you want to dissect his alleged PED past then do it properly. Not selectively, and whilst you ignore all Pac's indiscretions - but still reference him (Pac). Still, it's cheap and noticeably cut down Meth for the Queens though; of which I am glad to see that some have backed off and started to rationalise. :) :)


-stormcentre :

I don't blame you Storm, RG is a soft and predictable target. I think a lot of writers have reduced themselves to seeking the kind of easy "hits" that come with taking bodacious swipes at Floyd, like those which have regular outlets on YouTube tube and Boxing 24,... its like a cottage industry has propagated a legion of lonely people who have nothing to do but criticize Floyd and have accepted unpaid assignments full time. I guess everyone needs a purpose in life. Floyd has spawned a whole industry of reactionary anti-fans who are going to miss Floyd dearly when he's gone. Lol... maybe they can switch to following Donald Trump, and either support or oppose his "lets build a wall" campaign.
Oh, oh, looks like a Queen - or Princess - has finally gnawed her chastity belt off, and is now crying from the bytch-slapping she asked for. You're probably right, about the soft and predictable. Years ago (as an amateur) I went to a pretty tough, but carelessly run, boxing gym in Romania. There were about 3 guys there that had blood clots (brain) from sparring, and the gym owner still seemed to not mind unsupervised sparring taking place. I remember it well from the overall attitude of the fighters there (do or die), and of course the hostility when the team I was with arrived. Aside from the great work you got there, as every spar was a serious fight; I have no idea how this guy (gym owner) and his gym managed to get on the radar of the (I think it was called back then) European amateur boxing federation. As aside from the above-mentioned guys with blood clots there were also a few others that had clearly sparred/fought too long; testimony to how the gym owner ran the gym. So, where am I going with this? Well, when it was time for me to jump in I was actually a little scared - as the whole setting was like a fight more than a serious spar - and that changed the dynamics of the spar, as I am sure you could imagine. Like all the regular gym attendees that sparred someone from our team, they just rushed out and attacked like you had insulted their mother and stolen from their father. It was radical - kind of like a Ricardo Mayorga for everyone!! Nice. So, I remember once things settled and you got familiar with their radical style and working defence to give you the space to think, the problem was then how much to lay into them for being so disrespectful? And, with a few goons with blood clots and most of their brain cells already damaged as a reminder of what can happen if one pushes too hard, peppered around the ringside cheering their gym on; there was reason to hesitate. Last thing you want to do is smack someone so hard that you knock what little sense and brain cells there is left out - even if they deserve it. Here, with our NostRADAMass of the ages, that is not a problem. As I doubt there is many fully functional cells left to damage. :) But, also, oh my god, I have not ever seen delusion and moronic behaviour on this scale (both depth and breadth) before. Not where the obvious inability to mentally function and/or explain hasn't at some point slowed them down. It's a beautiful example of chaotic idiocy and juvenile tribalism that I feel must be exploited for humour, if for no other reason than to balance up the fact/fiction scales as mentioned here.
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?22532-Hauser-Fires-At-USADA-and-Floyd-USADA-Then-Floyd-Respond&p=87807&viewfull=1#post87807
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?20462-Tally-List-Of-Un-Substantiated-Posts&p=79438&viewfull=1#post79438 And, finally, yes you're right about how some writers are taking easy swipes at Floyd. Sure, if you want to dissect his alleged PED past then do it properly. Not selectively, and whilst you ignore all Pac's indiscretions - but still reference him (Pac). Still, it's cheap and noticeably cut down Meth for the Queens though; of which I am glad to see that some have backed off and started to rationalise. :) :)


-Radam G :

Meanwhile in boksing, Money May will probably hang low until the heat is off. Then he will be back to scrap again.
->http://www.ringobserver.com/2015/09/16/debunking-mayweathers-latest-fake-retirement. Holla!


-brownsugar :

Oh, oh, looks like a Queen - or Princess - has finally gnawed her chastity belt off, and is now crying from the bytch-slapping she asked for. You're probably right, about the soft and predictable. Years ago (as an amateur) I went to a pretty tough, but carelessly run, boxing gym in Romania. There were about 3 guys there that had blood clots (brain) from sparring, and the gym owner still seemed to not mind unsupervised sparring taking place. I remember it well from the overall attitude of the fighters there (do or die), and of course the hostility when the team I was with arrived. Aside from the great work you got there, as every spar was a serious fight; I have no idea how this guy (gym owner) and his gym managed to get on the radar of the (I think it was called back then) European amateur boxing federation. As aside from the above-mentioned guys with blood clots there were also a few others that had clearly sparred/fought too long; testimony to how the gym owner ran the gym. So, where am I going with this? Well, when it was time for me to jump in I was actually a little scared - as the whole setting was like a fight more than a serious spar - and that changed the dynamics of the spar, as I am sure you could imagine. Like all the regular gym attendees that sparred someone from our team, they just rushed out and attacked like you had insulted their mother and stolen from their father. It was radical - kind of like a Ricardo Mayorga for everyone!! Nice. So, I remember once things settled and you got familiar with their radical style and working defence to give you the space to think, the problem was then how much to lay into them for being so disrespectful? And, with a few goons with blood clots and most of their brain cells already damaged as a reminder of what can happen if one pushes too hard, peppered around the ringside cheering their gym on; there was reason to hesitate. Last thing you want to do is smack someone so hard that you knock what little sense and brain cells there is left out - even if they deserve it. Here, with our NostRADAMass of the ages, that is not a problem. As I doubt there is many fully functional cells left to damage. :) But, also, oh my god, I have not ever seen delusion and moronic behaviour on this scale (both depth and breadth) before. Not where the obvious inability to mentally function and/or explain hasn't at some point slowed them down. It's a beautiful example of chaotic idiocy and juvenile tribalism that I feel must be exploited for humour, if for no other reason than to balance up the fact/fiction scales as mentioned here. [URL]http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?22532-Hauser-Fires-At-USADA-and-Floyd-USADA-Then-Floyd-Respond&p=87807&viewfull=1#post87807[/URL] [URL]http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?20462-Tally-List-Of-Un-Substantiated-Posts&p=79438&viewfull=1#post79438[/URL] And, finally, yes you're right about how some writers are taking easy swipes at Floyd. Sure, if you want to dissect his alleged PED past then do it properly. Not selectively, and whilst you ignore all Pac's indiscretions - but still reference him (Pac). Still, it's cheap and noticeably cut down Meth for the Queens though; of which I am glad to see that some have backed off and started to rationalise. :) :)
That's an incredible story, sparring in the "Compton" of Romanian gyms, ....gotta love it, a simple learning experience becomes similar to a baptism of fire. Yep, crackpots come a dime a dozen on this site sometimes, each one pretending to be a cyber-bully....hilarious. Hey do you mind if I use one of your "PacQueen" or "Donkey" rants for our poetry slam? The word play is hilarious and the mostly college crowd would eat it up.


-stormcentre :

That's an incredible story, sparring in the "Compton" of Romanian gyms, ....gotta love it, a simple learning experience becomes similar to a baptism of fire. Yep, crackpots come a dime a dozen on this site sometimes, each one pretending to be a cyber-bully....hilarious. Hey do you mind if I use one of your "PacQueen" or "Donkey" rants for our poetry slam? The word play is hilarious and the mostly college crowd would eat it up.

Crackpots; yep, I like it when the cyber-bullies themselves - overlook their own actions - and claim you're a bully whenever you give them their own medicine, or show how they lied. It's hilarious. Not once do they seem to stop to think, ""gee if I stop lying and being a hypocrite it might be easier for me"".
"Compton" of Romanian gyms; Yep the Romanian gym boys were as nuts as the Romanian girls are, and believe me they are nuts over there. I reckon that gym owner was as about as irresponsible as you can get. Even when he was there sometimes - even as a serious beat-down was taking place, or clearly about to - he's off laughing in the corner talking to someone else; not too bothered. Most trainers and gym owners are watching closely and regulating; not this dude. Classic Vodka crazed Polish/Romanian type of guy. He made me feel like you could hold a gun to his head and he would still smile at, and dare, you. In my first session (with whomever it was that run out from his corner charging at me; I never found out who he was), round 2 or 3, I got caught with a flush (full-power Mayorga like) left hook and I wobbled, then another punch staggered me to one knee; mostly involuntarily - so I kind of didn't really know - in real time - it happened . . . . . until I felt another shot land on me as I was on 1 knee. No one called "break", or "ease up". And it all happened so quickly that our trainer was unsure about shouting out and/or what to do in another country/gym, particularly one ran by a *Russian mafia dodgy reject kind of guy. I collected my self, we went on, and fate took its course. That night we all walk out of the gym and *Boris (can't or don't want to here remember his real name :) ) says nothing to us on the way out; despite how obvious it was that he must have - at least - condoned (if not promoted) his boys trying to rip our heads off. No . . ""well done boys you survived the onslaught"", or ""excellent showing to serve it up to out top dogs"". Just a lot of background discussion in another language with other people as we walked out, and as such it was like he made himself too busy to be approached. I felt like we had toyed with the "honored society" (if you know whom they are in Italy and Oz) of Romania and as such we could possibly have a hit out on us. After 2 more nights, Boris comes up to me - but when I'm in the corner in between rounds - and says in this deep voice (in reference to the above-mentioned guy I sparred) . . ""you take good shot, get up, and still go on. You should come back to this gym. Train hard."" I was not sure whether it was a compliment or an invitation to both hell and brain damage. When we finished our training week there Boris took us all out for what he called a "nightclub night", and the way he said it you could never tell if he was saying "nightclub fight". We all used to secretly look and widen our eyeballs at each other (in mock horror) whenever he said it; as you just never knew with this guy. Not in the least as Romania is pretty sleazy man. Lots of dodgy things for someone that doesn't care about people and/or law to get up to there. Including prostitution "management", "protection racquets", chemical/traditional weapons distribution, and people (and of course drug) smuggling; all of which are not uncommon in some parts of Romania. And, the police don't (or didn't) care either, so long as they were paid. So, it was a real eye opener. On the last night we trained there we actually had people talking in different languages and betting on our sparring sessions; so you knew it was friendly and sportsman like. As all this is going on, Boris is just walking round the gym like sweet FA is happening. So, later that night, on out to the "nightclub night" we go to see this dude in his element. And, unsurprisingly he was always ducking off into back rooms; even in different/separate clubs. Many handshakes, and gangsta type brotherly hugs and other street gestures, with security and other "in the scene" looking dudes. You get the picture. All up it was one of those experience that you never forget. But - and this in no way justifies the way his gym operated - since his fighters were such lunatics, once we adjusted, it worked well for all of us except our light heavyweight. But, as they say, for every
Storm cloud there's a silver lining. And ours - or better put our light heavyweight's - was Adam. We had a heavyweight on our team with us that, himself, was a bit of a bad boy or "lad". He loved walking on the razor's edge, and had been in/out of correctional facilities most of his life for incidents that always - in some way - involved violence. Just so you know the type of violence I am talking about, one of Adam's (I changed his name here for obvious reasons) specialities was robbing/bashing dealers. No risk in that career!!! The other was "advance debt collecting" (as he called it). Problem was the debtor wasn't, and didn't always know he was, in debt. See the problem? It was OK though, as Adam once reassured he also collected debts from people that genuinely had them and didn't pay. Ah well . . . at least he was evenhanded. :) I got introduced to, and became friends with, Adam as I shared a room with him at the institute of sport when we were young whippersnapper amateur boxers. As such I was pledged to keep my mouth shut about how often he snuck out and went partying; when such actions were completely forbidden whilst we were there. Adam had so much potential that the institute's managers and also our trainer pretended to not know of his nocturnal activities as he had great potential to bring home a medal. But then it all got too much when Adam sent a (not entirely small and helpless) truck driver and all his passengers to hospital in a road rage incident where they got out of the truck to deal with Adam's verbal assault on them for some traffic matter. Problem was (aside from the grievous injuries that these trucker guys sustained from Adam flogging them all senseless at a major intersection and in front of several other completely horrified onlookers/drivers that all later became witnesses - injuries that went past broken bones and facial lacerations from punches that were described by one witness in court as ""I really thought he was going to kill all 3 of them"", and were really horrific due to how Adam - after he belted the life out of these guys and they were laying on the ground - decided to complete the act by picking up and taking the main protagonist back to the truck, where he ran his face into and along the grille of the truck so hard that the grille not only broke and speared the truck driver in the face - but that he also sustained deep burns from the truck's radiator) that all happened when - you guessed it - Adam was meant to be, and told the police he was, sleeping at the institute; in the same room as me. So, as you can imagine Adam was both a scream and highly dangerous to go out with. He was also the top dog in our team even though he was not appointed as the captain by the trainer. Back to Romania; Adam couldn't spar the first night for some reason I forget, so instead our light heavyweight took some serious heat from Boris' resident heavyweight. Our trainer was not completely comfortable with this light heavyweight V heavyweight session at first, and on the first night there; but Boris kinda mumbled something remotely comforting like . . ."should be OK" as he shrugged his shoulders in a manner like "why worry". Well, as above-mentioned, our light heavyweight took a pretty decent beating from Boris' resident heavyweight - the kind you should not (give or) take if you're working with guys that are in a national team and preparing for competition. The next night, and after our heavyweight (Adam) found out what happened, he was both enraged and also happy. Happy that he had an excuse - a reason. Justification for his favorite pass-time; going overboard with his fists. Our light heavyweight had sustained a black eye and a purple/greenish looking ear from the heavyweight resident in the Romanian gym, and he was not in the best shape. The following day we all quietly alerted each other to how happy and eager Adam was to get to this gym. Even though Adam almost always sparred well, he usually didn't look forward to training and procrastinated with it; even when in "the nationals". Adam was kind of like James Toney in that respect. He knew that he had fought when; fit, unfit, drunk, stoned, straight, tired, exhausted, whilst on bail, in jail, and "whatever" (as he often liked to respond to challenges that were discussed), and the outcome was always the same; the other guy took a beating or loss. So, psychologically he was a really hard guy to deter with the thought of another opponent/human. So, (still in Romania) this (next) day Adam - for the first time we ever heard him say it - asks twice, ""what time do we have to be at the gym"". A few of us looked at each other sideways, smiled, and I (with mock uncertainty) said; ""why, is there something you have to do - something you're looking forward to?"". It was one of the most anticipated and remembered sparring I have seen and been involved in. When we got to Boris' gym, rather than stretch, skip rope, and do all the preliminary things you normally do (that we were all doing) Adam just gloved straight up, put his headgear on, and sat on a chair waiting to be told to get in the ring. That kind of thing really stands out in a gym you're used to going to; let alone a new one. Let alone a new one that had just - the night before - thrown themselves at the new kids, tried to beat them up, and experienced mixed results, including what happened to our light heavyweight. Boris noticed, smiled, knew immediately what it meant, and said ""their heevyweight attends tonight"". During our warmups and also the lighter weight sparring sessions Adam just stared across the room and at times at Boris' heavyweight, whom also stared back at him. You knew something was about to happen - where someone was getting embarrassed and/or hurt to the point where egos, reputations, and possibly also lifestyles will change for the poor unfortunate soul that doesn't fare well. Boris seemed to become animated and glow in this "barely controlled and pending danger" like atmosphere, and from that you could easily see how/why his gym had so many casualties, including those that could have possibly also been avoided with a little sparring governance. I remember - as I sparred my guys (we did round robins) - I actually felt a little scared for what was about to happen. It's strange to spar and be concerned for anyone other than yourself, as that activity is so physically/psychologically dominating. But you also knew that; 1) No-one could lay a beating on someone like Boris' heavyweight did the night before to our light heavyweight, and not expect comeback; even if Adam were not there right now in Boris' heavyweight's gym looking straight at him -like he was ready to bust 3 truck drivers heads again. 2) Adam rarely let a grudge - or opportunity to inflict pain on someone - pass him by; especially when both, their was an audience involved (our team) and he had convinced himself that anyone threatening or beating up his mates must surely know they could have a guy like him backing them up. 3) Adam was a guy you certainly would not like to mess with, and Boris' heavyweight looked the same. 4) There was other people across the other side of the ring/gym that seemed to be having a hard time calming Boris' heavyweight down; like he wanted Adam now. 5) The more Adam sat there looking confident the more agitated Boris' heavyweight was, and the more pressure there was; as and Boris' heavyweight didn't like the fact that Adam was there in front of all and Boris' heavyweight's buddies, and not only not looking scared - but actually looking confident. Our trainer was really worried too - to scared to do anything. As (like us) he had learned a long time ago that he could not handle or control Adam, but that also medal chances without him declined noticeably. Problem for Boris' heavyweight was that he - perhaps rightly so - thought what was going to go down was going to be - in some shape/form - a roughhouse version of boxing. Nope; wrong. Adam did this to heaps of opponents. They all thought they had a boxing fight to go to with him as the dangerous opponent, but on fight night it was a fight with a guy that - quite literally - grew up with the mentality that he preferred to be stabbed or shot than lose. So, it was not boxing to Adam; even though he could box really well, and with "power", if he wanted. Adam bashed their heavyweight so bad that they had to help him out of the ring. Counter hooks over Boris' heavyweight's missing right hands, and fast/hard jabs followed up by fast/hard right crosses; did the trick. That and impeccable punch resistance and determination. Boris refused to stop it after 3 rounds regardless of how much I would have after 2. His Romanian (may have been German) guy just couldn't stop Adam coming forward and he just couldn't deal with how well Adam could put together fast/hard heavyweight combinations, and down he went 3 times before round 4 finished. We were sparring 6 rounds back then, and the Romanian (or German) guy could not go on after 5, shook his head, and as he tried to get out of the ring he stumbled and his friends had to help him out. Boris did not try to help him. We all glanced sideways at each other and thought either; A) ""Fu.ck I wish I was the one to do that here in this gym"." B) ""Adam has just created history and become a legend again, by seriously hurting someone"." Note: for anyone that doubts the legitimacy of this story please PM me with your details and I will confirm and/or answer your concerns, as I am still very good friends with Adam and he used to run a nightclub in Subiaco Perth; before he started bashing (and tying up and holding hostage) several guys from different bikie clubs whom thought they could "work/distribute" in his club - which, as you can imagine, resulted in - amongst several other nefarious and eyebrow raising things - the club being burnt down, and bullets flying through his car/house at night. Back to the point where Boris' heavyweight was helped out of the ring and ushered outside by his gangsta mates; I'll never forget the look on Boris' face as that happened. He looked utterly disgusted in his heavyweight guy. I know my heart didn't stop beating overtime until we were back at the hotel room that night. As for Adam, well he became more relaxed after the "spar". He had had his "fix". The way Boris ran his gym and his careless attitude for its patrons and their injuries is probably not funny really. But then in some ways it is; if you know what I mean. Boris (to us) was outrageous. Like BrickTop in the movie "Snatch". You just knew Boris was into things that were way more heavy and dangerous than this, for him to not only be so cool about everything - but for him to also be so emotionless about what had just happened to his heavyweight; as that was a really violent and uncontrolled act - not a boxing/sporting activity. The next night Boris must have demanded his heavyweight come back and go in again, and so our heavyweight Adam just laid into him again; like he was a punching bag. That session only lasted 2 rounds. We were all stunned that Boris' heavyweight came back. Seriously (like how no PacQueen can accept the reward money and challenge the
Storm has offered them to explain, and accept and/or look at the truth in relation to MayPac, Floyd, and Pac) I certainly would not have turned up for another session, if it were me that had been bashed as Boris' heavyweight had that previous night. We always wondered if Boris somehow ridiculed his heavyweight and both shamed and pushed him into turning up again; just to somehow preserve Boris' own reputation; as it was an act of pure craziness for Boris' heavyweight to show up again and get in with Adam. Adam never went anywhere near as high up he could in boxing, mostly because he detested the increasing workload/dedication boxing required - almost as much as he cherished the fact that with boxing he could really hurt people - call it a "sport" - and (usually) not end up in court; even though ending up in court was what usually happened whenever Adam solved problems with aggression. Adam - a few years prior to all this - had been a really good national middleweight amateur fighter. And as a middleweight amateur fighter he was beautiful to watch, due in no small way to the fact that he had fast hands, good skills and punch-resistance, enjoyed hurting people, and he knew all the combinations. Add to all that the fact that he retained almost all these attributes as he grew, gained weight, and became a heavyweight. So he was a heavyweight that operated, fought, and boxed - skill-wise - like a killer middleweight. But the thing was it was those powerful heavyweight hands (moving as fast as a middleweight) that usually put them all too sleep whenever they made their second/third - if not first - mistake. So he was not to be fu.cked with unless you were a really good heavyweight yourself. Which Boris' heavyweight turned out not to be. Boris loved Adam, as Adam had all the ruthless traits Boris seemed to aspire to and appreciate. About 12 or 15 years after all this went down I had a call from a friend who told me to Google "Boris" name. So I did. Dude had skipped the country and was wanted by Interpol or some policing organization like that, for questioning related to both a significant drug importation scheme and also a prostitution/pimping cartel that was allegedly falsely advertising jobs abroad for Russian women. Crazy world. Oh, did I mention Adam went to jail? After he had allegedly developed a relationship with Boris; he refused to answer questions in a private court setting brought forward by a federal agency about his involvement with Boris and also the abovementioned matters. The papers read something like "Adam had lied in both quantity and detail about an international crime ring, and as such was sentenced to jail for XX years". Now, lucky no such penalties exist here for lying in both quantity and detail. As if that was the case we may very well be without a witchdoctor and several key identities involved with the notorious PacQueen syndicate. Love it!!!! Just thought I'd pitch in and write a little story so people out there know that the
StormCentre would never openly criticize any writers without walking in their shoes; as anything else would be - even if
Storm was no correct - hypocrisy. And, we all know how that "entry" drug easily leads to more dangerous and addictive ones like "PacQueening"; itself a drug that not even the world's best tribal witchdoctor "NostRADAMass" (with centuries of expertise in; arthritis curing, PacEntouraging, moonlight hair recovery potions, Academia proclaiming, super-speed 30,000 times per second blood circulation, 122 clinch counting myths, virgin mermaid manufacturing, NSAC PacFraud history erasing, Hatton KO misinterpretations/publications, Floyd body punch delusions, creating fast handed punchers from watermelon seeds, Roach2Scared2LetPacSparWithRigo denial publications, imaginary Hollywood celebrity socializing, donkey magic, and a myriad of other cinnamon seed and Alpha Centuri dust wonder-miracles) can cure. So be careful truth rejecters and Queens. Remember; the truth is always the easiest thing to remember, and there is no substitute for real (boxing or otherwise) experience. OK, that's it for me know, in the meantime let's keep it Snoop Doggy Dog Dog real.
Storm. :) :)


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That.. was a very riviting and engrossing story, Boris is an especially ominous name to me because its the name the film industry often uses for laboratory henchmen, communist spies and mad scientist. Sounds like you guys were in the Slovak-Eastern-block-ghetto where they like to keep it Snoop-Doggy-Dog real.....lol, ..... its no wonder they always use either Romania or Albania for the hardcore "Taken" series starring Liam Nielson. (Also a former boxer). I trained with Coach Cummings who always looked out for his guys, such negligent conditions were unheard of at the Mock road gym. I trained with Richy, the guy who became the first alternate to olympian middleweight Frank Tate, and gold medalist Jerry Page, I literally walked off the street as a mid twenty something adult and was sparring with the second best middleweight in the country. I never sparred page. I always kept my guy moving backwards to reduce the impact of his laser like shots or he would have skewered me like a young Mayweather if I stood right in front of him.... Fun times, .... thanks for sharing the story.