Here’s Hoping Floyd is Honest And Retires After He Beats Berto

In roughly a week the supposed top pound-for-pound fighter in professional boxing, Floyd Mayweather Jr. (48-0, 26 KOs) will fight and defeat Andre Berto (30-3, 23 KOs). Beating Berto will be Mayweather’s 49th consecutive victory without a defeat, and he insists he will retire for the second time – he also retired, briefly, in late 2008 – immediately thereafter.

Excuse me for being cynical, but if you believe Berto is Mayweather’s last fight you must also believe in the tooth fairy and the Easter Bunny. That’s how outrageous Floyd’s claim is. You can bet the house that Mayweather was go for No. 50 sooner rather than later, and that his “retirement” announcement is not as genuine as when Lennox Lewis walked away from the ring and never came back after beating Vitali Klitschko.

The amazing thing about Mayweather talking retirement, just to hype interest in the Berto fight, is more fans than not probably are hoping he keeps his word and stays away from the sport that has made him almost incomprehensibly rich and famous. It’s easy to understand that kind of thinking. Floyd’s carnival act has grown old and tiresome. Since he beat a shopworn Oscar De La Hoya in 2007, Floyd’s career has been run like a Fortune 500 company in that every decision is made fo maximize profit while being exposed to the least risk. That has made Floyd’s bouts for the last eight years as preordained as a WrestleMania script, only the matches are less entertaining. This has soured fans on boxing, and has a lot to do with why it is in the malaise that it is in today.

Floyd’s arrogance in fighting only who he wants to fight, when he wants to fight them, really has damaged boxing’s credibility. In no other sport does one combatant get to decide who he wants to plays and demand millions of dollars to do so. Tennis great Roger Federer doesn’t make it to the final of the U.S. Open and instead of facing Rafael Nadal says, “Nope, I’m not playing him. I want to play `Slow Joe’ from Idaho instead.”

True, boxing is run like no other sport or business, but Mayweather has taken it to a level that we’ve never before seen, and it’s time for his bullying tactics to end once and for all. The fight with Berto is such a farce, and everyone knows it, that I can write as if it already has happened and I know who won. That’s terrible. Who would dare to argue otherwise?

Throughout boxing history all the true greats have fought the occasional no-hope opponent. The Sugar Rays, Robinson and Leonard, did it. Muhammad Ali and Roberto Duran did it. But no one can honestly say that much of their success had to do with the picking their spots to the degree that Mayweather has. If you want to nit-pick you might find a worthy opponent here or there that they missed, and maybe even purposely, but never did they use their stature to game the system like Mayweather has. Sadly, in a way you can’t blame Floyd. Why fixs something that’s already just the way you want it to? If a million pay-per-view-purchasing fans like to see the same script and movie with the same actors once or twice a year, I’m not on such a high perch that I can belittle them for it. All I would say is that I don’t consider those who buy most of Mayweather’sfights to be hardcore boxing fans; they’re more Mayweather fans than anything else, just like there are Tiger Woods fans that only follow golf when he plays and football fans who watch Denver Broncos games just so they can see Peyton Manning.

Because of Mayweather’s massive presence, he dominates the sport to the extent he overshadows other potentially great fighters whose careers are now ascending. Boxing has major talent in between flyweight and light heavyweight today, fighters who are ready and willing to take on all comers. Roman Gonzalez, Terence Crawford, Gennady Golovkin, Andre Ward and Sergey Kovalev are warriors, fight whomever is deserving and have never ducked anyone in their respective divisions. Boxing needs more like them, and it needs more action-packed fights like we recently saw between Leo Santa Cruz and Abner Mares. When Floyd is gone these fighters will command more of the spotlight, and to me that looks to be a good thing.

Floyd is an all-time great fighter and a technician. How great is he? Who knows? He’s never really had to put to the ultimate test despite all the Hall of Famers on his record. With the exception of Miguel Cotto, Floyd fought every other big name on his resume when they were in decline, like De La Hoya, or before they fully flowered, like Saul “Canelo” Alvarez. Had he fought and beaten Antonio Margarito or Paul Williams – who had styles that would given him real problems — when they were pleading to fight him, I’d feel better about assessing his greatness. So I’ll just say that because of his skill set and his unblemished record, largely manufactured or not, he has to be mentioned as an elite fighter. But Floyd Mayweather Jr. certainly is not, as he has so often claimed, “the best ever.”

I hope Floyd retires after he beats Andre Berto. His act has worn thin and he’s hurting boxing’s growth by not giving the fans who pay so much to see him what they deserve. Boxing will be better off when Floyd is acting, or whatever he chooses to do after his ring career is over. And when that happens, I doubt there will be many boxing fans who miss him.

Frank Lotierzo can be contacted at GlovedFist@gmail.com

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COMMENTS

-deepwater2 :

This article is on point. Floyd will be gone soon,but the problems that hurt boxing,will still be around since the architect that devised the Floyd era is trying to run the same scam with the PBC outfit.


-Radam G :

Lil Floyd is a bit thick in the belly. And if you think that he is going to retire after he draws with Berto, you don't know one of his big booty hucci mommas was taken by Nellie. Even if Money May get the win, the victory will be laser thin. Holla!


-brownsugar :

The writer should not try to over scrutinize or categorize why someone wants to watch a mayweather fight. Using the myopic, bias fed standards and values of a toxic environment like the internet is a very poor method to discern the motives of another human being. If you could profile a person just because they want to watch Floyd fight then you should be able to predict the future of anyone just by knowing the name of which Football team they favor. Unfortunately understanding these things are not quite so simple as putting triangular pegs in triangular holes. If anyone doesn't want to watch, then don't,... personally I don't overly concern myself with whomever has a difference in opinion, its just none of my business if they'd rather watch hockey or rhythmic gymnastics. Its not like watching the fight is a breach of civil law, or harbors any health risks. Personally I don't have to worry about what Floyd will do in the future, or if he ever fights again. Neither of these questions are a factor in why I'm watching the fight next week. I still watch black and white reruns of the Outer Limits for the same reason. Just because i want to. Further more,.... I look forward to watching guys like Gervonta Davis, Devin Hayney and Eroll Spence becoming the new standard bearers for TMT Productions and I look forward to watching as PBC continuines to shake up the current boxing distribution model by introducing competition in the form of boxing on non premium channels which will provide enhanced exposure for fighters who are sorely in need of it and elevates boxing from its status of being purely a niche sport, into an accessible activity anyone can enjoy without incurring the cost of a cable bill. Hopefully other promoters can join in and eventually bring boxing back to network Television where it belongs.. I would prefer this instead of being held hostage by cable networks shows that can potentially serve up undervalued events like the recent one which is attributed to HBO, the WBO and TR weaseling out it's commitment to stage a very compelling mandatory title fight between Sadam Ali and Bradley,.... in order to dish out stale left-overs in the form of Bradley vs Rios instead. The fight will probably be intertaining, But is it at all necessary? It will be for those who follow either fighter. But in terms of significance , I'd rather see what Ali is capable of. Change is good, everyone has to go sooner or later. Its good to know Floyd has taken good care of himself and has provided financial security for his family and doesn't have to embarrass himself like hall of famers Roy Jones Jr, Shane Mosely and Antonio Tarver who are forced to trudge upon the battlefield way past the date they should have been honorably discharged from service. Some fight on because they want to. For others its necessary because the have no other options. I hope Floyd can pass his special brand of skill to the next generation. Nothing would be more entertaining than discovering the next Floyd Mayweather.


-stormcentre :

Haven't heard/read much about drug testing for this fight. It's not like Berto could be considered to be so squeaky clean, but still it's not like he's risen to stardom on the back of PED use. I'm just trying to think when the last time was that Floyd fought someone with a style that's (even remotely) like his; as Berto's, in some places, could be said to be. Can't really say Mosley. Does that take us back to Zab? Zab used to (be pretty slick and also) use the shoulder defence, and often twist off that. Going to be interesting to see whether Berto can make a better and more entertaining job of than Pac. Remember Floyd is not young anymore, and his shot legs and the myriad of other ailments bestowed upon him (real and imagined) prior to the MayPac fight, must - surely - still exist and therefore they must still be there now; possibly offsetting (to what extent I don't know) all the hopeless chances Andre has. One thing we can say about Berto is, he never lays down, is usually in exciting fights, and he always goes out on his shield; which is more than many other fighters. Berto V Ortiz was an exciting fight. :) :)


-brownsugar :

Haven't heard/read much about drug testing for this fight. It's not like Berto could be considered to be so squeaky clean, but still it's not like he's risen to stardom on the back of PED use. I'm just trying to think when the last time was that Floyd fought someone with a style that's (even remotely) like his; as Berto's, in some places, could be said to be. Can't really say Mosley. Does that take us back to Zab? Zab used to (be pretty slick and also) use the shoulder defence, and often twist off that. Going to be interesting to see whether Berto can make a better and more entertaining job of than Pac. Remember Floyd is not young anymore, and his shot legs and the myriad of other ailments bestowed upon him (real and imagined) prior to the MayPac fight, must - surely - still exist and therefore they must still be there now; possibly offsetting (to what extent I don't know) all the hopeless chances Andre has. One thing we can say about Berto is, he never lays down, is usually in exciting fights, and he always goes out on his shield; which is more than many other fighters. Berto V Ortiz was an exciting fight. :) :)
Hmmmm sounds like Floyd had better keep a personal physician around for this fight in case a bone falls out of joint and he needs a resetting before the final round.....lol. Speaking of styles Its really hard to fathom the impact that Floyd has had on the the public perception of boxing. I was watching south paw (the movie) for the first time yesterday (and i remembered you're thorough review),.... I couldn't help but notice the similarity between Gyllenhaals character and Mayweather in the second half of the movie, Forest Whitaker is preaching the virtues of defense and the character Hope switches from being an Arturo Gatti-like fighter to using the shoulder- roll in the middle rounds, to finally GGG in the last round. Its no mystery where that reference came from.... Only in America.. Lol..


-stormcentre :


Hmmmm sounds like Floyd had better keep a personal physician around for this fight in case a bone falls out of joint and he needs a resetting before the final round.....lol. Speaking of styles Its really to fathom the impact that Floyd has had on the the public perception of boxing. I was watching south paw (the movie) for the first time yesterday (and i remembered you're thorough review),.... I couldn't help but notice the similarity between Gyllenhaals character and Mayweather in the second half of the movie, Forest Whitaker is preaching the virtues of defense and the character Hope switches from being an Arturo Gatti-like fighter to using the shoulder- roll in the middle rounds, to finally GGG in the last round. Its no mystery where that reference came from.... Only in America.. Lol..
Good line. Cheers. :)


-stormcentre :

This article is pretty good. But in some ways it skips over considerations (some the author has previously made himself in other articles) that may illuminate the areas that the article itself seems to want to ensure remain in the dark; it seems, to bolster the points it wishes to make. And, it's not like that's illegal or unique; so it's cool. I just thought I'd mention it to keep it Snoop Doggy Dog Dog real. If - ""Floyd’s arrogance in fighting only who he wants to fight, when he wants to fight them, really has damaged boxing’s credibility"" - (and aside from how much "boxing's credibility" is left and is an oxymoron befitting of a similar status as "military intelligence") then it's an arrogant formula that has been around for a long time, and one Floyd undoubtedly learned from Top Rank and many other promoters. As Top Rank, King, and many other promoters having being doing the same thing and raping "boxing's (so called) credibility" for decades; long before Floyd became fighter and promoter. The only difference (here) is - assuming we accept the above quote - that Floyd is, in conjunction with being a fighter, also a promoter. Bob Arum, King, (and others) has been doing this stuff for years, up until the point where; it doesn't suit them, their fighter loses (usually to a fighter from another promoter by way of a mandatory that can't be avoided), or they wish to cash out on a fighter and/or make it difficult for them - for reasons that don't exclude the fighter having a contractual or other issue. Oscar - when he was both a promoter and fighter - also played a very similar game there for a while too. Difference was that Oscar didn't have the all round skills and versatility (like Floyd) to offset the aging process as well as Floyd. That, and he didn't have Haymon on his side to advise him on how (all levels of) the business works. Wasn't through the lack of trying though; as Oscar avoided his fair share of fighters and he also got a few gifts too. Oscar's personality didn't grate people the way Floyd's can do either. Which also makes it just as easy to write negatively about Floyd - as it does to ignore where Floyd and his skills may have just already delivered all that he is said to have not done and be devoid of. Now I know it's very popular to do the opposite, particularly about Floyd; but - if foot in mouth is to be avoided - it always pays to check before releasing mis/information. Still, much respect/love to "Kid Cocaine and Stockings", the dude has been a good ambassador for cross dressing boxing superstars. Seriously though, I do like Oscar, and his game. Now to . . . . ""In no other sport does one (contestant?)/combatant get to decide who he wants to plays and demand millions of dollars to do so". " Excuse me; "Anna Kournikova". Surely no-one needs me to explain about that. And again; "David Beckham". Becks played whom, and for what team, he wanted, and he also called the shots on received cash too. Anyway, comparing boxing to tennis and other sports that all have a single (or at least some meaningful) authority - to make your point - is almost as farcical as Berto V Mayweather is claimed to be. And I don't say Berto V Mayweather is, or is not, a good match-up. But this is (even by the author's own thinking) either Floyd's penultimate or last fight. And, it's not like many other great and legendary fighters (whom were Floyd's age) didn't close their careers out with some easy opponents; some much easier than Berto is said to be. The reason why comparing boxing to tennis and other sports - to make the point the author seems to wish to make - is almost as farcical as Berto V Mayweather is claimed to be, is because everyone knows that if tennis or other sports had the same governing structure (or lack of it) that boxing has, then the players would most likely all be doing all the same things that boxers are doing; prolonging their longevity. Even aside from PEDs in all sports; you only need to look at all the areas in those reasonably well governed sports (that are nothing like boxing but still used as a comparison tool) where the rules are, perhaps, not so tight, to see evidence of this. Recently the Grand Slam organizers at Flushing Meadows seemed to make sure that everyone (including Sam Stosur) - everyone except Serena Williams that is - encountered travel and practice issues leading up to their matches. Strange coincidence? Imagine doing that to all "opponents" in a boxing promotion. It's so outrageous that no promoter would try - not to all "opponents". Aussie Rules, Soccer, Rugby and American football is rife with salary cap issues and fiddling with drafts and player lineups - particularly in state of origin (or the above-mentioned code equivalents) type matches. This, folks, only ever happens to effect the outcome of games and matches. And, given that all these (other) sports codes all - unlike boxing - have a single (or at least some meaningful) authority; you could then make a case to say that these concerns are possibly then worse (than boxing), and/or representative of a endemic problem in all sports/business; the need to control one's destiny and longevity at the expense of fair play. Still, just the above discussion provides both, a substantiation of what I speak of at the start of my post in relation to "skipping over considerations that may not suit", and also food for thought about . . . . ""In no other sport does one (contestant?)/combatant get to decide who he wants to plays and demand millions of dollars to do so". " Therefore there is no need for me to talk about cycling is there? Or MMA? Or Wrestling? Or swimming? I was going to say something about the comment . . . ""Gennady Golovkin has never ducked anyone in their respective divisions"", but perhaps that one is left alone as - even aside from how questionable it is - I understand the value of mentioning 3G's name in a Floyd article. However, when it comes to Floyd not fighting guys in their prime and perhaps not fighting some of the best challenges out there, I can see where Frank is coming from. I don't entirely disagree. But once again such broad-stroked comments on the author's part (in conjunction with other questionable claims; such as, "boxing's credibility") that are also used to say Floyd has damaged the sport, really only serve to; 1) Get some PacFans (or others that don't really understand the sport enough to back up their own claims) ready to hump the leg of anything that moves or resembles a female dog. 2) Support what I say in relation to "skipping over considerations that may not suit". 3) Themselves, make statements that are potentially as unreliable as Floyd's retirement claim is said to be. Not in the least as they neatly overlook Floyd's actions and whom he fought as Pretty Boy. Aside from repairing the sport - a claim that must be accurate if we accept the premise of the author's claims in relation to Floyd damaging the sport and it's so called (in-tact) "credibility"; as Pretty Boy Floyd performed in many exciting and sensational fights that not only blow the author's claims right out of the water - but also describe scintillating performances that (technically) are the equal to many other great, great boxing legends that we all currently look back on and also hail. It is perhaps not unsurprising that Floyd's achievements as "Pretty Boy" (and even sometimes "Money May") are skipped/looked over to rubbish him. As this - like many other skipped over Floyd facts - action is often associated with such/other derogatory claims and negative press about Floyd. And, as my offer - midstream of a thread that was starting to disintegrate into a baseless Floyd-Hate session - to publicly review the MayPac video with any PacFan clearly shows; some people don't like the facts - or even a complete/accurate story - not even if ridicule is the activity of choice. The facts are that Floyd was still the same person then (as Pretty Boy) as he is now; albeit he was a lot younger then. And, really, it's just not that hard to adjust your content to ensure faithfulness and fact; but you have to want to. Especially if the content itself includes terms such as those that claim Floyd is a "farce", and "has damaged boxing's (in-tact?) credibility". Please !!! What credibility does Floyd damage in the sport that (really) has not already had it's credibility mauled, raped, and savaged by others; a hundred times over? People actually said the same or similar things about Joe Calzaghe, and how he mostly fought in Europre. Guess what? Now Joe is revered as a middleweight hero. Anyway, even if you accept all that is said about Floyd (whether it be by Frank or anyone else); there are still a few other boxers around that have a much, much, greater farcical ambience around them. But to write accurately about them would truly take balls. It may also mean one was not invited to some gyms and fights - which would then possibly impact upon a writers' earnings. Which may just bring us full circle. As being more concerned about money/longevity than anything else including, fairness, competition, and the truth . . . . which are some of the allegations that Floyd is currently being (hypocritically) slagged off for (albeit in somewhat of an incomplete and inaccurate manner) . . . seem to also constitute some of the very same factors that are undoubtedly involved in defining how much of an evenhanded story the public receive about; A) Not just whether other sporting codes have comparable issues, or not. B) But also who and what is really damaging boxing's credibility. And, given the prevalence of PEDs and other concerning behavior in boxing and also other sports, and what that tells you about the desperation to win and remain on top regardless of sporting codes; I would have thought the issue of PEDs damaged boxing more than anything. Conversely then - and even aside from how dismally all other promoters have failed to regulate this dangerous aspect of the sport - I would have then thought - using Frank's (damaging "boxing's credibility") logic - that Floyd's actions of ensuring suspicious opponents are adequately tested, would then serve to restore boxing's (assumed to be, for the purposes of the article, "in-tact") credibility. At least to the point where Floyd's "skipped over" restoration of boxing's ("in-tact") credibility offsets all that credibility-damage which Floyd has (albeit questionably) been said to have authored. Strangely though, and perhaps hypocritically, accurately (or even similarly) reporting on what other boxers there may be that are around whom have a much, much, greater farcical ambience around them and/or PEDs, can noticeably impact on a writer's income and welcome. Which therefore means these boxer's farcical nature sometimes receives far less airplay than other negative matters - matters that are commonly popular; even if they're inaccurate. I am yet to think of a fighter that would - particularly whilst in their veteran years - not use their combined promotional and fighter status in the same way Floyd is - selectively - said to. And, if nothing else, the prevalence of PED use in boxing now and also what happened to many other fighters of yesteryear that decided to fight on as veterans, stands as testimony to that. Furthermore, Cotto - albeit with far less ridicule even though his actions are arguably more questionable than Floyds are said to be - is certainly, right now and for the last few years, seemingly doing his very best to achieve the same approaches and outcomes as Floyd is said to be using to - heaven forbid - bringing down boxing's credibility with. And that's even without Cotto having 100% promotional rights to his own career. Aside from the few above points/oversights, I thought the article was good. Lennox Lewis claimed he was going to retire, did, and stayed there. Lewis is not only a champion in all senses of the word, but he proved me wrong in many ways. But you know what; even if Floyd fights one more time after Berto - in the scheme of things (including those un/written about him and other fighters) and when placed alongside what such claims in boxing really mean and how well they're adhered to - that will still be a claim that's way more accurate than many things written about Floyd. There's those facts again. How about - especially since no-one wants to review a MayPac video and/or accurately talk about "boxing's credibility" and/or whom/what else may be damaging it and why such discussions are unpopular - we wait and see whether Floyd fights again before rubbishing him eh? Until then, and this is just me talking, might be a good idea to convert so negativity into checking some Pretty Boy fights, and facts. As I know of no other professional boxer, me included, that doesn't think Floyd has/had mad and almost incomparable skills. Even aside from how much else we often overlook as we champion other fighters - fighter that have easily done as many negative things as Floyd is said to have done and also achieved far less; it would be a shame if all we did is rubbish the guy. Particularly when there are some real positives to him and the story. Everyone deserves a "second chance". That is the only reason I jump in a defend the truth as it pertains to Floyd. Let's finish up on a cool chilled vibe. And I know some of you USA cats out there like this stuff because I see - now in Vegas - there is a new (to you - it's not so new to us) electronic dance music (EDM) scene happening at clubs like XS and the like (DJing Tiesto and others); that is, to some extent, giving hip hop and other previously popular genres a run for their "Money". Fact; there is no such thing as a truly great and successful EDM producer and/or DJ that has not either leaned on BG&K remixes, or does not like them. Enjoy.

:) :) :)


-SouthPawFlo :

For people to say that nobody cares about Floyd, his articles are dominating this site and a lot of other boxing sites.... Berto has more fight than people are giving him credit for, and I think this fight will be like the Cotto fight and really competitive for like 5-6 rounds


-brownsugar :

This article is pretty good. But in some ways it skips over considerations (some the author has previously made himself in other articles) that may illuminate the areas that the article itself seems to want to ensure remain in the dark; it seems, to bolster the points it wishes to make. And, it's not like that's illegal or unique; so it's cool. I just thought I'd mention it to keep it Snoop Doggy Dog Dog real. If - ""Floyd’s arrogance in fighting only who he wants to fight, when he wants to fight them, really has damaged boxing’s credibility"" - (and aside from how much "boxing's credibility" is left and is an oxymoron befitting of a similar status as "military intelligence") then it's an arrogant formula that has been around for a long time, and one Floyd undoubtedly learned from Top Rank and many other promoters. As Top Rank, King, and many other promoters having being doing the same thing and raping "boxing's (so called) credibility" for decades; long before Floyd became fighter and promoter. The only difference (here) is - assuming we accept the above quote - that Floyd is, in conjunction with being a fighter, also a promoter. Bob Arum, King, (and others) has been doing this stuff for years, up until the point where; it doesn't suit them, their fighter loses (usually to a fighter from another promoter by way of a mandatory that can't be avoided), or they wish to cash out on a fighter and/or make it difficult for them - for reasons that don't exclude the fighter having a contractual or other issue. Oscar - when he was both a promoter and fighter - also played a very similar game there for a while too. Difference was that Oscar didn't have the all round skills and versatility (like Floyd) to offset the aging process as well as Floyd. That, and he didn't have Haymon on his side to advise him on how (all levels of) the business works. Wasn't through the lack of trying though; as Oscar avoided his fair share of fighters and he also got a few gifts too. Oscar's personality didn't grate people the way Floyd's can do either. Which also makes it just as easy to write negatively about Floyd - as it does to ignore where Floyd and his skills may have just already delivered all that he is said to have not done and be devoid of. Now I know it's very popular to do the opposite, particularly about Floyd; but - if foot in mouth is to be avoided - it always pays to check before releasing mis/information. Still, much respect/love to "Kid Cocaine and Stockings", the dude has been a good ambassador for cross dressing boxing superstars. Seriously though, I do like Oscar, and his game. Now to . . . . ""In no other sport does one (contestant?)/combatant get to decide who he wants to plays and demand millions of dollars to do so". " Excuse me; "Anna Kournikova". Surely no-one needs me to explain about that. And again; "David Beckham". Becks played whom, and for what team, he wanted, and he also called the shots on received cash too. Anyway, comparing boxing to tennis and other sports that all have a single (or at least some meaningful) authority - to make your point - is almost as farcical as Berto V Mayweather is claimed to be. And I don't say Berto V Mayweather is, or is not, a good match-up. But this is (even by the author's own thinking) either Floyd's penultimate or last fight. And, it's not like many other great and legendary fighters (whom were Floyd's age) didn't close their careers out with some easy opponents; some much easier than Berto is said to be. The reason why comparing boxing to tennis and other sports - to make the point the author seems to wish to make - is almost as farcical as Berto V Mayweather is claimed to be, is because everyone knows that if tennis or other sports had the same governing structure (or lack of it) that boxing has, then the players would most likely all be doing all the same things that boxers are doing; prolonging their longevity. Even aside from PEDs in all sports; you only need to look at all the areas in those reasonably well governed sports (that are nothing like boxing but still used as a comparison tool) where the rules are, perhaps, not so tight, to see evidence of this. Recently the Grand Slam organizers at Flushing Meadows seemed to make sure that everyone (including Sam Stosur) - everyone except Serena Williams that is - encountered travel and practice issues leading up to their matches. Strange coincidence? Imagine doing that to all "opponents" in a boxing promotion. It's so outrageous that no promoter would try - not to all "opponents". Aussie Rules, Soccer, Rugby and American football is rife with salary cap issues and fiddling with drafts and player lineups - particularly in state of origin (or the above-mentioned code equivalents) type matches. This, folks, only ever happens to effect the outcome of games and matches. And, given that all these (other) sports codes all - unlike boxing - have a single (or at least some meaningful) authority; you could then make a case to say that these concerns are possibly then worse (than boxing), and/or representative of a endemic problem in all sports/business; the need to control one's destiny and longevity at the expense of fair play. Still, just the above discussion provides both, a substantiation of what I speak of at the start of my post in relation to "skipping over considerations that may not suit", and also food for thought about . . . . ""In no other sport does one (contestant?)/combatant get to decide who he wants to plays and demand millions of dollars to do so". " Therefore there is no need for me to talk about cycling is there? Or MMA? Or Wrestling? Or swimming? I was going to say something about the comment . . . ""Gennady Golovkin has never ducked anyone in their respective divisions"", but perhaps that one is left alone as - even aside from how questionable it is - I understand the value of mentioning 3G's name in a Floyd article. However, when it comes to Floyd not fighting guys in their prime and perhaps not fighting some of the best challenges out there, I can see where Frank is coming from. I don't entirely disagree. But once again such broad-stroked comments on the author's part (in conjunction with other questionable claims; such as, "boxing's credibility") that are also used to say Floyd has damaged the sport, really only serve to; 1) Get some PacFans (or others that don't really understand the sport enough to back up their own claims) ready to hump the leg of anything that moves or resembles a female dog. 2) Support what I say in relation to "skipping over considerations that may not suit". 3) Themselves, make statements that are potentially as unreliable as Floyd's retirement claim is said to be. Not in the least as they neatly overlook Floyd's actions and whom he fought as Pretty Boy. Aside from repairing the sport - a claim that must be accurate if we accept the premise of the author's claims in relation to Floyd damaging the sport and it's so called (in-tact) "credibility"; as Pretty Boy Floyd performed in many exciting and sensational fights that not only blow the author's claims right out of the water - but also describe scintillating performances that (technically) are the equal to many other great, great boxing legends that we all currently look back on and also hail. It is perhaps not unsurprising that Floyd's achievements as "Pretty Boy" (and even sometimes "Money May") are skipped/looked over to rubbish him. As this - like many other skipped over Floyd facts - action is often associated with such/other derogatory claims and negative press about Floyd. And, as my offer - midstream of a thread that was starting to disintegrate into a baseless Floyd-Hate session - to publicly review the MayPac video with any PacFan clearly shows; some people don't like the facts - or even a complete/accurate story - not even if ridicule is the activity of choice. The facts are that Floyd was still the same person then (as Pretty Boy) as he is now; albeit he was a lot younger then. And, really, it's just not that hard to adjust your content to ensure faithfulness and fact; but you have to want to. Especially if the content itself includes terms such as those that claim Floyd is a "farce", and "has damaged boxing's (in-tact?) credibility". Please !!! What credibility does Floyd damage in the sport that (really) has not already had it's credibility mauled, raped, and savaged by others; a hundred times over? People actually said the same or similar things about Joe Calzaghe, and how he mostly fought in Europre. Guess what? Now Joe is revered as a middleweight hero. Anyway, even if you accept all that is said about Floyd (whether it be by Frank or anyone else); there are still a few other boxers around that have a much, much, greater farcical ambience around them. But to write accurately about them would truly take balls. It may also mean one was not invited to some gyms and fights - which would then possibly impact upon a writers' earnings. Which may just bring us full circle. As being more concerned about money/longevity than anything else including, fairness, competition, and the truth . . . . which are some of the allegations that Floyd is currently being (hypocritically) slagged off for (albeit in somewhat of an incomplete and inaccurate manner) . . . seem to also constitute some of the very same factors that are undoubtedly involved in defining how much of an evenhanded story the public receive about; A) Not just whether other sporting codes have comparable issues, or not. B) But also who and what is really damaging boxing's credibility. And, given the prevalence of PEDs and other concerning behavior in boxing and also other sports, and what that tells you about the desperation to win and remain on top regardless of sporting codes; I would have thought the issue of PEDs damaged boxing more than anything. Conversely then - and even aside from how dismally all other promoters have failed to regulate this dangerous aspect of the sport - I would have then thought - using Frank's (damaging "boxing's credibility") logic - that Floyd's actions of ensuring suspicious opponents are adequately tested, would then serve to restore boxing's (assumed to be, for the purposes of the article, "in-tact") credibility. At least to the point where Floyd's "skipped over" restoration of boxing's ("in-tact") credibility offsets all that credibility-damage which Floyd has (albeit questionably) been said to have authored. Strangely though, and perhaps hypocritically, accurately (or even similarly) reporting on what other boxers there may be that are around whom have a much, much, greater farcical ambience around them and/or PEDs, can noticeably impact on a writer's income and welcome. Which therefore means these boxer's farcical nature sometimes receives far less airplay than other negative matters - matters that are commonly popular; even if they're inaccurate. I am yet to think of a fighter that would - particularly whilst in their veteran years - not use their combined promotional and fighter status in the same way Floyd is - selectively - said to. And, if nothing else, the prevalence of PED use in boxing now and also what happened to many other fighters of yesteryear that decided to fight on as veterans, stands as testimony to that. Furthermore, Cotto - albeit with far less ridicule even though his actions are arguably more questionable than Floyds are said to be - is certainly, right now and for the last few years, seemingly doing his very best to achieve the same approaches and outcomes as Floyd is said to be using to - heaven forbid - bringing down boxing's credibility with. And that's even without Cotto having 100% promotional rights to his own career. Aside from the few above points/oversights, I thought the article was good. Lennox Lewis claimed he was going to retire, did, and stayed there. Lewis is not only a champion in all senses of the word, but he proved me wrong in many ways. But you know what; even if Floyd fights one more time after Berto - in the scheme of things (including those un/written about him and other fighters) and when placed alongside what such claims in boxing really mean and how well they're adhered to - that will still be a claim that's way more accurate than many things written about Floyd. There's those facts again. How about - especially since no-one wants to review a MayPac video and/or accurately talk about "boxing's credibility" and/or whom/what else may be damaging it and why such discussions are unpopular - we wait and see whether Floyd fights again before rubbishing him eh? Until then, and this is just me talking, might be a good idea to convert so negativity into checking some Pretty Boy fights, and facts. As I know of no other professional boxer, me included, that doesn't think Floyd has/had mad and almost incomparable skills. Even aside from how much else we often overlook as we champion other fighters - fighter that have easily done as many negative things as Floyd is said to have done and also achieved far less; it would be a shame if all we did is rubbish the guy. Particularly when there are some real positives to him and the story. Everyone deserves a "second chance". That is the only reason I jump in a defend the truth as it pertains to Floyd. Let's finish up on a cool chilled vibe. And I know some of you USA cats out there like this stuff because I see - now in Vegas - there is a new (to you - it's not so new to us) electronic dance music (EDM) scene happening at clubs like XS and the like (DJing Tiesto and others); that is, to some extent, giving hip hop and other previously popular genres a run for their "Money". Fact; there is no such thing as a truly great and successful EDM producer and/or DJ that has not either leaned on BG&K remixes, or does not like them. Enjoy.
:) :) :)
Good write up.... You covered it from top to bottom. About that music..... I listen to NPR,... national public radio, It features international news from every crevice in the globe and has a radio show for every genre you can think of, from jazz to river dance bagpipe and fiddle, to chanting monks. I don't listen to the repetitively, dreary contemporary pop, hip hop or whatever its called. This music has been run into the ground like GMO corn and high frucrose juice products. No nutrition left....lol. But they play BK&G remixes between 11 and 1am ( somewhere around there ) I call it house synth music. Its refreshing to hear the meticulous beats inter sprinkled with the vague haunting vocals that simultaneously signify nothing or anything depending on your mood. The music seems to have a perfect balance between : dispair, longing, and got- it-all-together and is reminiscent of the long playing disco tracks of the late 70's only without the fruity parts..... Perfect for driving to, on weekend nights with a warm breeze in your face.


-brownsugar :

For people to say that nobody cares about Floyd, his articles are dominating this site and a lot of other boxing sites.... Berto has more fight than people are giving him credit for, and I think this fight will be like the Cotto fight and really competitive for like 5-6 rounds
Berto fought Soto with one arm almost the entire fight. He probably could have still won had he stuck to the outside, but Berto was in the mix throwing triple uppercuts, and double hooks with his good arm. It was spectacular but also a little stupid to expend so much energy. But that's what I like about Berto. He's not the opponent I wanted, but he's the perfect opponent if you want to see a good show.


-leon30001 :

Here's the reality: Floyd's fights STINK. I last enjoyed watching him in 2001. He is a great fighter and he will NOT be missed one iota when he goes. He has been fully enabled by his mindless, partisan fans and for that it's difficult to attach much blame to the man himself. He is worth what the market dictates he is worth, so I can't hold it against him for exploiting those lunatics willing to pay his wages. He probably can't believe his luck to have such a huge number of completely non-discerning blind followers. Kind of like the POTUS. The Emperors have no clothes, but if no-one sees it, then carry on regardless, why not! I would too!


-stormcentre :

For people to say that nobody cares about Floyd, his articles are dominating this site and a lot of other boxing sites.... Berto has more fight than people are giving him credit for, and I think this fight will be like the Cotto fight and really competitive for like 5-6 rounds
Yes SPF I agree. I think Berto - particularly whilst fresh - will (also) give Floyd more issues than Pacman. Berto has some good, energetic, and dynamic moves. His speed is OK too. Not much defence (that's on Floyd's level) there though, but then Berto does has some resemblance of an active defence; which is more than most. I actually think a fresh Berto would give issues to a few top guys out there. But only on the proviso that he stop allowing himself to get into *shootouts and slugfests. He has most of the basic fundamentals down pat. Not quite sure where his punch resistance is now after all those *wars though. Bet Berto is glad he signed with PBC now. Talk about hitting the (financial) jackpot. :) :)


-brownsugar :

Part of the beauty of Floyd is that he's always in character during a fight. Never reacts when he's hit, unless its to shake his head to let his opponent know (or believe) he wasn't hurt. He recovers quickly if he's fouled, and somehow he's always manages to remain uncut and head butt free and is always in position to either attack or defend. All of these little things that Floyd does has become second nature and internalized into his repertoire... To the point he's already two step ahead of his opponent before he even steps in the ring. Very few boxers bring that type of quality of effort into the ring. Fewer still can emulate it. I miss him already, ... but I'm already looking forward to the next generation.


-stormcentre :

Good write up.... You covered it from top to bottom. About that music..... I listen to NPR,... national public radio, It features international news from every crevice in the globe and has a radio show for every genre you can think of, from jazz to river dance bagpipe and fiddle, to chanting monks. I don't listen to the repetitively, dreary contemporary pop, hip hop or whatever its called. This music has been run into the ground like GMO corn and high frucrose juice products. No nutrition left....lol. But they play BK&G remixes between 11 and 1am ( somewhere around there ) I call it house synth music. Its refreshing to hear the meticulous beats inter sprinkled with the vague haunting vocals that simultaneously signify nothing or anything depending on your mood. The music seems to have a perfect balance between : dispair, longing, and got- it-all-together and is reminiscent of the long playing disco tracks of the late 70's only without the fruity parts..... Perfect for driving to, on weekend nights with a warm breeze in your face.
So . . . national public radio over your way is pumping BG&K eh? Far out I would be pretty pleased with that. Spose I shouldn't be too surprised, as in Sydney there was a radio station (can't remember the name now) and they covered all extremes (genres) and in between; to the point where I was stunned at how good some of the EDM and DJ's were - but also really let down by the other crap I didn't like. I remember I loved one of the DJ's music so much that - despite him playing at 1am - 4am on some weeknights - I still used listen or record the set; without fail. He knew all the best and new overseas tunes. I remember always thinking this cat must really be a seriously “connected” nocturnal "easy E" tripper (if you what I mean) . . . to not just love playing this EDM all the time during those weeknights and hours (for the little money the station paid him) - but to also have all the other time it takes to keep up with all the best German underground house, Menacing Russian progressive house, UK "bliss trance and progressive trance", and all the other producers, DJs, and remixers out there. As, somehow, he always had the best toones and I, myself, was (even back then) reasonably up with most of the EDM, as a few of my buddies became DJ/producers themselves. One night on the radio station they had a competition where you could call in if you knew who the artist was who put this (epic EDM anthem) together . . . .
Which (the tune) was - amongst other things - famous for clubbers all over Sydney and Moscow requesting it to be played at clubs just at the right time {2:45 mins} that they expected their “recreational” to “come on” and/or “hit” them). . I have no idea how the DJ or those requesting timed it to that perfection; but it was a well known "thing" back then - people (all with glazed smiling faces) would just run to the dance floor once that background “Netherworld” beat came on . . . kind of like how the deep house remixes of Frankie Goes To Hollywood "Relax", or New Order's Blue Monday was; as soon as the “Netherworld” lead in sound started up. Only thing was LSG and "Netherworld" seemed to symbolize a far "deeper" and more uniquely/individually cultured scene; than the other mentioned dance mixes. It’s was both nuts and a dealers paradise. Anyway, the radio competition led to me to having to go to the radio station (40 minutes from my place) and pick up my prize late one night. When I got there, here was the DJ with bright organge hair, black trousers with silver glitter, full club kit, and dancing as he quickly came out the studio to greet me and give me the prize, and along with it all was him (with the “Molly” trademark) grinding his teeth. I smiled and he knew why. He was happy. So was I. I had finally got to satisfy my curiosity about him being a “Molly tripper”, and I was also reasonably pleased with myself for getting it fairly right about him. I have no idea where he is now, or even if he’s still alive. All I know is that at some point he surely would need to slow down. :) :) :)


-stormcentre :

Part of the beauty of Floyd is that he's always in character during a fight. Never reacts when he's hit, unless its to shake his head to let his opponent know (or believe) he wasn't hurt. He recovers quickly if he's fouled, and somehow he's always manages to remain uncut and head butt free and is always in position to either attack or defend. All of these little things that Floyd does has become second nature and internalized into his repertoire... To the point he's already two step ahead of his opponent before he even steps in the ring. Very few boxers bring that type of quality of effort into the ring. Fewer still can emulate it. I miss him already, ... but I'm already looking forward to the next generation.
Yep, once he's gone, and if some of the writers that really know boxing care to, there will be some articles out that really describe Floyd's brilliance and skills. He may not be a thinker out of the ring (I don't necessarily agree/care about that either), but he sure as hell is in there. Even if you accept all the cherry picking and some other negative claims about him; the fact is that Mayweather still lays down seriously mad skills and has a degree of composure, adaptation, and control in there that surpasses (almost) anyone else that could theoretically (or practically) be in with the same weight division and opponent. :)


-amayseng :

Berto does not have the foot speed and foot agility to stay with Floyd, just like I predicted with the Ghost and Canelo, this will be an easy fight for Floyd. You have to have good footwork to make a compelling fight with Floyd. Is it Floyd's fault that these guys do not have the talent to keep up with him and make a competitive fight? No, but it is Floyd's fault for not taking advantage and putting on an offensive show and make an exciting fight for the fans. He did it against Canelo but since then, he has bee a stay away , pot shot and hold boring mess of a fighter. To be the best you have to fight like the best, not just bore out victories.


-Radam G :

Here's the reality: Floyd's fights STINK. I last enjoyed watching him in 2001. He is a great fighter and he will NOT be missed one iota when he goes. He has been fully enabled by his mindless, partisan fans and for that it's difficult to attach much blame to the man himself. He is worth what the market dictates he is worth, so I can't hold it against him for exploiting those lunatics willing to pay his wages. He probably can't believe his luck to have such a huge number of completely non-discerning blind followers. Kind of like the POTUS. The Emperors have no clothes, but if no-one sees it, then carry on regardless, why not! I would too!
Amen! Amen! And Amen! Holla!


-brownsugar :

Berto does not have the foot speed and foot agility to stay with Floyd, just like I predicted with the Ghost and Canelo, this will be an easy fight for Floyd. You have to have good footwork to make a compelling fight with Floyd. Is it Floyd's fault that these guys do not have the talent to keep up with him and make a competitive fight? No, but it is Floyd's fault for not taking advantage and putting on an offensive show and make an exciting fight for the fans. He did it against Canelo but since then, he has bee a stay away , pot shot and hold boring mess of a fighter. To be the best you have to fight like the best, not just bore out victories.
Personally I judge fighters by who has the better skills. I think Floyd has done just fine, I'd rather be the guy with my hand raised at the end of a fight than the guy who wakes up off the canvas and has to be told what happened after lying on the canvas in a coma for almost a minute while my wife and family fear for my very life. That's just me.


-stormcentre :

Personally I judge fighters by who has the better skills. I think Floyd has done just fine, I'd rather be the guy with my hand raised at the end of a fight than the guy who wakes up off the canvas and has to be told what happened after lying on the canvas in a coma for almost a minute while my wife and family fear for my very life. That's just me.
Amen! Amen! And Amen! Holla! :) :)


-brownsugar :

So . . . national public radio over your way is pumping BG&K eh? Far out I would be pretty pleased with that. Spose I shouldn't be too surprised, as in Sydney there was a radio station (can't remember the name now) and they covered all extremes (genres) and in between; to the point where I was stunned at how good some of the EDM and DJ's were - but also really let down by the other crap I didn't like. I remember I loved one of the DJ's music so much that - despite him playing at 1am - 4am on some weeknights - I still used listen or record the set; without fail. He knew all the best and new overseas tunes. I remember always thinking this cat must really be a seriously “connected” nocturnal "easy E" tripper (if you what I mean) . . . to not just love playing this EDM all the time during those weeknights and hours (for the little money the station paid him) - but to also have all the other time it takes to keep up with all the best German underground house, Menacing Russian progressive house, UK "bliss trance and progressive trance", and all the other producers, DJs, and remixers out there. As, somehow, he always had the best toones and I, myself, was (even back then) reasonably up with most of the EDM, as a few of my buddies became DJ/producers themselves. One night on the radio station they had a competition where you could call in if you knew who the artist was who put this (epic EDM anthem) together . . . .
Which (the tune) was - amongst other things - famous for clubbers all over Sydney and Moscow requesting it to be played at clubs just at the right time {2:45 mins} that they expected their “recreational” to “come on” and/or “hit” them). . I have no idea how the DJ or those requesting timed it to that perfection; but it was a well known "thing" back then - people (all with glazed smiling faces) would just run to the dance floor once that background “Netherworld” beat came on . . . kind of like how the deep house remixes of Frankie Goes To Hollywood "Relax", or New Order's Blue Monday was; as soon as the “Netherworld” lead in sound started up. Only thing was LSG and "Netherworld" seemed to symbolize a far "deeper" and more uniquely/individually cultured scene; than the other mentioned dance mixes. It’s was both nuts and a dealers paradise. Anyway, the radio competition led to me to having to go to the radio station (40 minutes from my place) and pick up my prize late one night. When I got there, here was the DJ with bright organge hair, black trousers with silver glitter, full club kit, and dancing as he quickly came out the studio to greet me and give me the prize, and along with it all was him (with the “Molly” trademark) grinding his teeth. I smiled and he knew why. He was happy. So was I. I had finally got to satisfy my curiosity about him being a “Molly tripper”, and I was also reasonably pleased with myself for getting it fairly right about him. I have no idea where he is now, or even if he’s still alive. All I know is that at some point he surely would need to slow down. :) :) :)
Storm that was a very intriguing story, "nocturnal easy e", UK Bliss trance, menacing Russian House, digital trips, I love it. No wonder I never hear the same music twice, there seems to be and endless resource. You must have a photographic memory. And thanks for the Netherland Vinyl vibe. This why I have unplugged from the local mainstream of urban stations years ago. And have never looked back. Im just not the avid collector and recorder that I used to be. But every week can become a new sonic adventure. And DJ'ing can be a very fulfilling past time. NPR even plays your historical blues, the rowdy harmonica, guitar, and organ joints with some old dude crying about his cheating lover, reggietone classics....etc.. But I still enjoy the electronic synth and late night trance music to cleanse my sonic pallette. Lol..


-stormcentre :

Storm that was a very intriguing story, "nocturnal easy e", UK Bliss trance, menacing Russian House, digital trips, I love it. No wonder I never hear the same music twice, there seems to be and endless resource. You must have a photographic memory. And thanks for the Netherland Vinyl vibe. This why I have unplugged from the local mainstream of urban stations years ago. And have never looked back. Im just not the avid collector and recorder that I used to be. But every week can become a new sonic adventure. And DJ'ing can be a very fulfilling past time. NPR even plays your historical blues, the rowdy harmonica, guitar, and organ joints with some old dude crying about his cheating lover, reggietone classics....etc.. But I still enjoy the electronic synth and late night trance music to cleanse my sonic pallette. Lol..
Cheers. I have a vast collection of music, and - have lots of other reasons that I won't get into here - love it. The main reasons - aside from those mentioned in my earlier posts, and also me personally putting in some heavy time at clubs (dance floor and back rooms) in an earlier/younger life - I am pretty fixated on EDM these days is that (when younger and competing) I spent all those years in gyms training, listening to ED music. Plus I was in the UK when the "Renaissance" scene was just starting, big, and earmarked by this album; which is an absolute classic.
->https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance:_The_Mix_Collection Sasha and Digweed were then, huge. They're still good know, but the next 20 or so "Renaissance" albums were a scene/culture all to themselves and by day we ran, trained, skipped, sparred, and lived boxing to them. By night, if not in camp, we went out and did the same; to "Renaissance" and/or what it stood for. There is some brilliant music just alone in the Renaissance sets - they're still going today; but not quite as quality-laden as they used to be. But then, that was bound to happen as the quality was brilliant back then. Yep, there's some good memories there. If you ever get a chance, go and see Digweed, Sasha, Nick Warren, and some of the other producer/DJs I mention. I will still go out and see them if they play nearby. Sometimes they play in Vegas, and Miami. Not sure about your neck of the woods. Looking forward to the "Fresh Outta Crompton" (may have the title a little wrong there) movie. I know the NWA background story pretty well, and think it's a good story. Some interesting lyrics too. :) Hope Hollywood does it right :) :)


-stormcentre :

Storm that was a very intriguing story, "nocturnal easy e", UK Bliss trance, menacing Russian House, digital trips, I love it. No wonder I never hear the same music twice, there seems to be and endless resource. You must have a photographic memory. And thanks for the Netherland Vinyl vibe. This why I have unplugged from the local mainstream of urban stations years ago. And have never looked back. Im just not the avid collector and recorder that I used to be. But every week can become a new sonic adventure. And DJ'ing can be a very fulfilling past time. NPR even plays your historical blues, the rowdy harmonica, guitar, and organ joints with some old dude crying about his cheating lover, reggietone classics....etc.. But I still enjoy the electronic synth and late night trance music to cleanse my sonic pallette. Lol..
Cheers. I have a vast collection of music, and - have lots of other reasons that I won't get into here - love it. The main reasons - aside from those mentioned in my earlier posts, and also me personally putting in some heavy time at clubs (dance floor and back rooms) in an earlier/younger life - I am pretty fixated on EDM these days is that (when younger and competing) I spent all those years in gyms training, listening to ED music. Plus I was in the UK when the "Renaissance" scene was just starting, big, and earmarked by this album; which was/is an absolute classic - especially to train to.

->https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance:_The_Mix_Collection Sasha and Digweed were then, huge. They're still good know, but the next 20 or so "Renaissance" albums were a scene/culture all to themselves and by day we ran, trained, skipped, sparred, and lived boxing to them. By night, if not in camp, we went out and did the same; to "Renaissance" and/or what it stood for. There is some brilliant music just alone in the Renaissance sets - they're still going today; but not quite as quality-laden as they used to be. But then, that was bound to happen as the quality was brilliant back then. Yep, there's some good memories there. If you ever get a chance, go and see Digweed, Sasha, Nick Warren, and some of the other producer/DJs I mention. I will still go out and see them if they play nearby. Sometimes they play in Vegas, and Miami. Not sure about your neck of the woods. Looking forward to the "Fresh Outta Crompton" (may have the title a little wrong there) movie. I know the NWA background story pretty well, and think it's a good story. Some interesting lyrics too. :) Hope Hollywood does it right :) :)


-amayseng :

Personally I judge fighters by who has the better skills. I think Floyd has done just fine, I'd rather be the guy with my hand raised at the end of a fight than the guy who wakes up off the canvas and has to be told what happened after lying on the canvas in a coma for almost a minute while my wife and family fear for my very life. That's just me.
Floyd is too good not to turn it up a bit.


-Art :

Spot on!! This is why I like this site! They have writers here that seem to really know the "fight game". I've felt the same as this writer and have been telling anyone that would listen, the exact same thing! Just not as eloquently.


-Art :

Then, they don't belong in the ring!! I've seen so many fighters that can accomplish what your saying, without going to the extreme you're example poses. That's the difference between a Mayweather and a truly great fighter!!


-brownsugar :

Cheers. I have a vast collection of music, and - have lots of other reasons that I won't get into here - love it. The main reasons - aside from those mentioned in my earlier posts, and also me personally putting in some heavy time at clubs (dance floor and back rooms) in an earlier/younger life - I am pretty fixated on EDM these days is that (when younger and competing) I spent all those years in gyms training, listening to ED music. Plus I was in the UK when the "Renaissance" scene was just starting, big, and earmarked by this album; which was/is an absolute classic - especially to train to.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance:_The_Mix_Collection[/URL] Sasha and Digweed were then, huge. They're still good know, but the next 20 or so "Renaissance" albums were a scene/culture all to themselves and by day we ran, trained, skipped, sparred, and lived boxing to them. By night, if not in camp, we went out and did the same; to "Renaissance" and/or what it stood for. There is some brilliant music just alone in the Renaissance sets - they're still going today; but not quite as quality-laden as they used to be. But then, that was bound to happen as the quality was brilliant back then. Yep, there's some good memories there. If you ever get a chance, go and see Digweed, Sasha, Nick Warren, and some of the other producer/DJs I mention. I will still go out and see them if they play nearby. Sometimes they play in Vegas, and Miami. Not sure about your neck of the woods. Looking forward to the "Fresh Outta Crompton" (may have the title a little wrong there) movie. I know the NWA background story pretty well, and think it's a good story. Some interesting lyrics too. :) Hope Hollywood does it right :) :)
thanks for the tip, currently enjoying some b-day vacation, will let you know what I think after the Mayweather fight.


-brownsugar :

By the way Storm, I'm not a rap expert and wasn't heavily into the scene or the beefs at the time but the movie is excellent, using the offspring of the original performers to play their dads parts was a master stroke because these guys have the same voices, speech patterns and were privy to their parents history on an intimate basis. Even though the sound was hugely popular and generated a lot of negative and mysogenistic lyrics, it was the voice of pent up frustration and outrage due to the decades of political inequalities which led to millions of minorities being zoned to poor neighborhoods, poor school districts while being subjected to high incarceration rates. The music was originally an outlet for some really ticked off people and ironically it sold huge in the suburbs and the sound went global, but you probably know this. Personally I thought the film and supporting cast captured the essence of those times without indulging in an excess of self glorification. The film is interesting and highly watchable.... not sure why its never mentioned that Icecube's parents had decent jobs and had him bussed to San Fernando Valley where he saw the the disparity between his neighborhood and life in the suburbs...Cube went on to obtain an associates degree in drafting.


-stormcentre :

Yep, I'm pretty familiar with the story BS. Lived in Cali for a while, and had lots of USA and Mexicano buddies in and out of gyms whilst there that introduced me to the NWA and all their offshoots. At first I thought they were all crazy as the sounds and lyrics were too foreign to me. But then, when I saw the culture and seriousness the music garnered in some of my gym buddies, I looked at it from another angle and personally labelled it "presidential street rap". Some of those N.W.A cats were pretty wild. Some of their lyrics and rhymes really are quite creative and clever too. The video I list below I have also seen, and I think that details also Jay Z's rise in the music (and other) businesses. Whilst in Cali I got to see a few; A) Street (gun) shootouts (one was in the car-park of an Orange County department store, that was clearly a drug tranfer/deal that went horribly wrong - they had semi automatic guns and made a real mess). B) Police raids. Live. So due to that and just living there and talking to USA and Mexican cats, I am pretty aware of what goes down and how complex the situation is. We don't have a whole lot of gun fights over here. So when the above department store shootout took place - especially with semi autos - you can imagine my panic. I was just coming out of a "Thank God It's Friday" cafe/pub (is that the right name? Forget now, but all I can remember is that everybody used to call them "TGI" . . but I can't make that acronym work for how I remember the whole name of the cafe) with a few friends, when it all went down. We weren't that close to the shooters, but still bullets travel a long way. What stuck with me the most - aside from the actual shooting - was how (compared to me) un-panicked most of the people I was with were. Sure they were getting out of the way, but I had hit the ground; like in the movies. They all looked at me like I was funny. Later, the girl I was with Jolie says "Storm, [don't worry] once a year, it usually happens there. The OC gangs pick up and sell drugs there at night". Then all the "locals" I was with proceeded to have a debate over the accuracy of Jolies' frequency quote pertaining to drug shootouts - some rationalising (with news/paper references) that shootouts there were probably taking place at almost twice a year now. After that I learned to act "cooler" when I heard gunshots. Didn't want to be an uncool/afraid boxing Aussie in America - it's not a good look and chicks won't be well into you if you're like that. :) Personally, though, I think the law, police, and politics (that I suppose created the class division and overall "NWA" situation and all they rapped about) were all wrong; but then out of that came what we're talking about. Still doesn't make it right. Even the way they (the law) were dealing with cats like the "NWA" and also whom they rapped about, and also the drug scene, was, in my opinion, just wrong. They were just demonising a certain group and and then treading on them; based on the actions of a smaller minority of them that really were not too different to many other demographic groups - particularly if those other demographic groups were put in the same situations. For trucks sake, as a government you have to create jobs, hope, and a society. And welfare. Without welfare (especially during times when the government and economy can't produce jobs) your crime and drug use amongst society will almost always go up - as the fabric of society arguably deteriorates. If you can't create, jobs, welfare, and hope, then you have a group of people that feel they have no future; effectively they all cumulatively then can become a group of socioeconomically descending people. At that point these people can't work and pay taxes, so therefore they're worthless to a short-term minded and greed filled government. So . . then - if you're a short-term minded and greed filled government - what do you do? Go after the very people that are down trodden (due to the lack of circumstances you're responsible for) and prosecute them heavily for dealing and using crack; the only thing that makes them money and feel good? And, that's if you don't run them over and kill them first (before they make it to court), as you drive a tank through their house for what's really a very "small gram" bust. It's a dangerous situation, and the entire "NWA" movement captured it perfectly. Redfern (where Mundine's gym is) and Punchbowl, in Sydney, is not dissimilar to this situation. Same for some parts of Brisbane and QLD, in Australia. They're all extremely tough environments that test may a police officer and civilian. And, in those situations - including that rapped about by the "NWA" movement - in my opinion, the worst you can do is to then go and single out the very people that are down trodden in a manner that makes them feel as if, and reinforces the fact that, they may be a minority group; by treating them harsher than others - for transgressions that are - by any countries yardstick and history - inevitable when you consider the economic circumstances. I don't for a minute say it's a simple situation and/or that no-one is breaking the law in these areas. But, things and responses (especially those by the law) have to be proportionate; otherwise they're not fair and then - when that happens - people will react and fight with all they have, even if it's not much. And that's when things become volatile. I mean (as far as the below "NWA" video is concerned) they were throwing women, mothers, father, and men in jail, for (I think) over 10 years - for possessing (I think) relatively small amounts of crack; whereas some other people robbing banks and raping girls were getting far less. And, as for those big army units that were driving tank like vehicles through people's houses that were suspected of doing drugs. Far out man, get a life and/or wake up to the facts, that you need a new drug policy - the war on drugs is a failure and waste of tax - and you therefore need a new demographic group of people to play the role of your "devil". Thanks for the tips on the new "Straight Outta Crompton" movie. I thought this below video about "NWA" was brilliant, see what you reckon.

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-brownsugar :

Yep those were the days when it was reported daily that civilians were being murdered daily by standing on the wrong corners, getting caught in cross fires and for wearing the wrong colors, crazy times...and you got to see the most fractured part of our society first hand, ill check back in with what i think about your latest vids and music after vacation... I'll still be reading when possible.


-deepwater2 :

The private prison industry is N.W.A. biggest fan.


-stormcentre :

Love IC's response to the movie critics. "Make your own movie".
->http://www.skynews.com.au/culture/showbiz/movies/2015/09/09/ice-cube-challenges-movie-critics.html :)