Some Are Hoping Mightily Floyd Sticks To Promise To Retire After Berto Fight

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So this could be it, the finale to a helluva run, the most successful one of this era, and, he sometimes will tell you, any.

Sept. 12 could be the last time fight fans and sports fans will be given the option to see Floyd Mayweather in action, inside a boxing ring, showing off his brand of defensive wizardry which has kept him lossless since he turned pro in 1996.

No less than the man who rolled some heavy dice, Showtime boxing boss Stephen Espinoza, who staked his job security on this decision, has told us he thinks Floyd is in “one and done” mode.

“September 12th will be a historic night no matter what happens,” said Espinoza. “It is generally expected that this will be Floyd Mayweathers' last fight. He has consistently said he will not fight anymore.”

“One last chance for the fans to witness history,” is how Floyd's right hand man Leonard Ellerbe has put it, and one would presume he is inside the Floyd bubble deep enough to know what direction Mayweather is heading.

Yep, Floyd, who owns a 48-0 mark, and will be tying Rocky Marcianos' record of consistent winning, if and when he beats Andre Berto in Vegas, would be content to tie the record, and not break it by trying to go 50-0, probably by fighting the rival he schooled easily on May 2, Manny Pacquiao.

Seems implausible, frankly, to me, on the outside looking in. He tells us boxing is a job, but surely there are millions upon millions of Americans who loath their jobs much more than Mayweather does, and none of them are making the obscene hourly wage he is….

On Aug. 13, Fight Hype posted a video in which “TBE” spoke of fighting, and not fighting, and retiring, and such. He said that his uncle Roger has “lost a lot of memory from his boxing.”

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Roger Mayweather (age 54; 59-13) boxed pro from 19811999, but, Floyd said, “It hurts me extremely bad he don't even know who I am anymore.” This reality has Floyd thinking that taking punishment is unwise. Even when making $30-$200 per outing in exchange for the risk…

“My health is more important than anything,” Floyd himself has noted. I haven't met a single person who believes him, that the Berto fight is his last, so if he holds to his word, and all are wrong, then the man deserves a massive clap of hands, for not in fact engaging in a cynical exercise in leveraging and marketing.

But if indeed the hype is reality, that this Sept. 12 is his victory lap, then we must consider this boxing landscape sans Floyd.

I asked longtimer Kathy Duva, who heads Main Events and works with Russian terminator Sergey Kovalev, in some ways the anti Floyd when it comes to how he approaches the sport and business, about the “TBE” legacy.

She spoke on Mayweather-Berto, and Floyd's impact on the sweet science.

“I won't be buying Mayweather-Berto,” Duva told me. “I'll follow you on Twitter instead.”

She said she'd rather put on “real fights,” and thinks Floyd's belief in what matters long-term makes the sport as a whole weaker.

“This is our sport,” she said, “and what he doesn, doesn't reflect well on our sport. This idea that you can't risk a loss…His undefeated record will and would not be a legacy. It's just a bunch of wins.”

Duva noted that Mike Tyson, who of course still gets swarmed whenever and wherever he goes, ten years after he last fought, basically lost his step-up fights. “He never won a big fight! Holmes and Spinks were his biggest wins…but he has more legacy than Floyd will ever dream of having. Because it's not all about wins, it's about taking risks and having entertaining fights. He sure as hell entertained the fans, and that's really what it's all about.”

Here is Duva's direct message to Floyd: “Please retire. Get it over with.”

She's eager to see what 147-154 does when that dust settles, when Floyd hangs up the mitts. And she is pretty damned sure he won't be lumped in with the Leonards and the Durans five, ten, twenty years after he retires. “Who won their fights when they fought, Leonard and Duran and Hearns and Hagler? It's almost immaterial…people almost don't care…they care because they saw the fights!”

Duva offers a recollection which helped remind her what impact is about, how legacy can be built..and not in the way Floyd is doing it. She was walking with Arturo Gatti after Mayweather beat him. It was 2005. People were walking up to Gatti, saying, “Congrats champ!”

He was puzzled, she said.

“What is this? I lost,” Gatti (40-9 and in the Hall of Fame) stated.

“Yes, but these people will be able to tell their grand-children they met you…they don't care you lost. It's about taking the challenge!”

She continued that train of thought: “Taking a chance! Challenging yourself! That's what people want to see. Hey, I wish Mayweather Godspeed….but I'm looking forward to the whole mentality he supports going away.”

In other words, Duva doesn't hate the player, but the game he's been playing, the brand of risk aversion, she is hoping his influence wears off when he leaves the arena.

Check back, and hear from another long-timer who doesn't agree with Duva, who thinks that all in all, Mayweather has been good for the sport…

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-brownsugar :

Duva's entitled to her own opinion however shes' simply riding the wave of animosity projected by the massive number of fans who bought into Floyd's villianous two dimentional caricature of being the brash arrogant confident fighter who changed the rules of the business and created a counter - culture of self - made men, which flies in the face of the mentality of every promoter in the business who would rather see the business operated by the age old conventional model which currently exists for 99 % of every one everbody else. I'd be negative too if i was a promoter dependent on making an income from fighters who " knew their place" and didn't harbor ideas about taking charge of their own destiny.


-Radam G :

Many are not being truthful. They don't want Lil Floyd to retire. They want his arse whipped. He hasn't done anything different from any of the ATG king big moneymakers of fight purses. Count the inflation of nowadays money purses. WTF! The pugs are just getting paper notes that are not cover by gold, silver, blood diamonds, oil or even salt or real estate. The U.S. dollar ain't even worth what it was doing the days of the Jacks -- Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey. It ain't even as powerful as it was during the days of the superior Sugarmen -- Sugar Ray Robinson, Sugar Ramos and event Sugar Ray Leonard. Money May might can claim TBE in boksing, but he cannot claim that keeping his money steady and ready. Dude has raw cash all around da way. And those paper notes are dropping value every single day. They ain't doing syet but collecting dirt, dust and mold. Money May is always bragging about his cash money, but not the rising value of his solid empire. Because it is burning up like a-caught-in the-sun vampire. And, in the words of Money May: "At the end of the day, it is what it is." By keeping his syet in cash, the value of dat dough will continue to speedily slash. The $300mil that he made in the MayPac Farce is now value at about $290mil. I know that his groupies and peons hate to hear those truths. But dey [$ic] need to learn where to find syet about da real real. And quit eating Money May's bulljive as if it is their last meal. Holla!


-stormcentre :

Duva's entitled to her own opinion however shes' simply riding the wave of animosity projected by the massive number of fans who bought into Floyd's villianous two dimentional caricature of being the brash arrogant confident fighter who changed the rules of the business and created a counter - culture of self - made men, which flies in the face of the mentality of every promoter in the business who would rather see the business operated by the age old conventional model which currently exists for 99 % of every one everbody else. I'd be negative too if i was a promoter dependent on making an income from fighters who " knew their place" and didn't harbor ideas about taking charge of their own destiny.
Duva is cool. Lots of people don't like Floyd. Lots of promoters don't like how Floyd played the game his way. Lot's of promoters, trainers, and fighters privately resent how they have - despite also endlessly trying to do the same with catch-weights, late notice fights/replacements, PEDS, and sup-par opposition - largely been unsuccessful at playing the game their own way. Especially to the extent that Floyd, Roy Jones, and even Hopkins have been successful with. Therefore, it's natural the a promoter and/or the typical promotional business model will not like what Floyd does and how it exposes elements of the promotional and boxing industry that are usually reserved for the shadows; where the puppet strings get pulled from. The reasons promoters and/or the typical promotional business model(s) owners will not like what Floyd/TMT does are many/varied; but they also include the fact that Floyd/TMT's business model and approach implicitly exposes many things traditional promoters and their businesses not only require and frequently employ in their business (model) - but also, that which they usually speak very little of. Such as; 1) How traditional promoters and their businesses manage to easily control both fighters careers, and the ability to cash out; at will. 2) How much further/wealthier than other comparably great and/or talented fighters one can become when the promotional layer is either removed and/or (truly) operating in your best interests. Duva, with her comments, may just be letting her disdain for Haymon shine through a little. Or perhaps she dislikes Floyd that much; who knows? However, I do wonder, if Floyd were to complete his fight with Berto and then announce that he had another 5-fight deal signed that won't involve Haymon, and as such he's in search of an independent promoter. One that's not a part of the main 3 or 4 promotional pillars. I wonder what Kathy would do then? Particularly if Ellerbe approached her. :) Smart money says we would hear the songbird (and I do like Kathy) sing a completely different song then. One should not forget that Main Events have, of recent times, found it a little hard to operate in the deep waters that are usually occupied by Golden Boy and Top Rank. PBC have not really improved that situation for Kathy. None of these promotional organisations would be upset if what they're experiencing and/or complaining of where cast upon their competitors; in fact, my bet is that, (with the networks limited overall annual budget) they often negotiate and approach decisions so that this very outcome will occur. Aside from all that is said that both can and all that clearly can't be substantiated about Floyd; if nothing else his and TMT's actions and business approaches serves to show other fighters just how much promoters make, and how much they can really afford to pay their fighters. And, that story is at opposite ends of of the integer scale and spectrum to what we have previously been fed by many interviewed promoters when discussing how/why many (of their) fighters end up with nothing; except for ailing health and facilities. Personally, don't worry me whether Floyd retires or not; but it's probably . And as for . . . . [QUOTE=Radam G;87091]Many are not being truthful. Holla![/QUOTE] Well, aside from being poetically humorous hypocrisy at it's finest; that comment is probably best left there to stand on its own 4 feet, and history. Thanks; good stuff. :) :) :)


-Domenic :

I'm in the minority. I don't believe for a second this is Floyd's last hurrah. He may sideline it for a while, as he did in 2007/2008 when he 'retired' before, but with these cartoonish paydays looming, he'll be back. This retirement is merely a talking point to attract more PPV buys for his so-called last fight. He doesn't have endorsement deals so he will scoop up these paydays as long as they're available, guaranteed. And I don't blame him one bit for that.


-Art :

I think aFraidweather has lost HIS memory and HIS mind!! He forgets how terrible all his fights are, he forgets how he gets booed, he forgets how the fans dislike his fighting style and he forgets how scared he gets in the ring. I wish he was already retired!! I'm so fed up with his lame excuses and his foul filled fights and his increasingly petty demands and with the more money he has the more he can cheat. Just see how USADA broke their own rules to allow him to enter a fight by being able to mask any illegal substance against Pacquiao and he still fought scared!! You can't inject PED's into your heart to give you courage!! I can't wait for this fraud to go away!! Take the money you swindled and go!!


-stormcentre :

I'm in the minority. I don't believe for a second this is Floyd's last hurrah. He may sideline it for a while, as he did in 2007/2008 when he 'retired' before, but with these cartoonish paydays looming, he'll be back. This retirement is merely a talking point to attract more PPV buys for his so-called last fight. He doesn't have endorsement deals so he will scoop up these paydays as long as they're available, guaranteed. And I don't blame him one bit for that.
I may be wrong here, but I actually think that makes you the majority, not the minority. Most seem to think Floyd will not retire after Berto. :) :)


-kidcanvas :

id wish he'd retire before this joke of a fight with berto, save the soft minded from your charade as TBE lol anyone else fighting a guy like berto in their last go,being the supposed greatest ever would have the wrath of all boxing world on them , not floyd though,he gets a [pass all the time


-kidcanvas :

id wish he'd retire before this joke of a fight with berto, save the soft minded from your charade as TBE .. lol anyone else fighting a guy like berto in their last go,being the supposed greatest ever would have the wrath of all boxing world on them , not floyd though,he gets a pass all the time


-amayseng :

Floyd will be sorry he retires leaving everyone with a bad taste in their mouths. The fight of the century ended with the memory of Floyd hugging and clinching more than a freshman at the prom. It was a borefest thanks to him. He **** the bed and took away mosts memory of him master classing Canelo and digging deep with a fantastic offensive night against Cotto. Floyd should have had his last fight on free tv. I think he is done. 39 years old in February and he knows how important it is to stay busy to stay sharp. He wont take a year off and come back at 40. He just made 300 million, why would he? Berto's slow footwork will be his downfall.


-Froggy :

id wish he'd retire before this joke of a fight with berto, save the soft minded from your charade as TBE .. lol anyone else fighting a guy like berto in their last go,being the supposed greatest ever would have the wrath of all boxing world on them , not floyd though,he gets a pass all the time
To paraphrase the late, Great Bert Sugar, if that fight was in my backyard, I would get up and close the curtains !


-amayseng :

To paraphrase the late, Great Bert Sugar, if that fight was in my backyard, I would get up and close the curtains !
great quote


-Radam G :

To paraphrase the late, Great Bert Sugar, if that fight was in my backyard, I would get up and close the curtains !
Hehehehe! The late, great Sugarman of boksing script and scribe always had jokes. He could make a crying baby bust out laughing. He did to crying-wet, baby Radam a ton of times. Man, I miss Uncle Bert. Holla!


-stormcentre :

To paraphrase the late, Great Bert Sugar, if that fight was in my backyard, I would get up and close the curtains !
Yes, that's a brilliant quote. Never heard it before, but it's excellent. :)